Memes aside, this is genuinely the best Superhero film ever

>>84831406
Do you feel in charge of this thread?

Precious tritium

batman begins is

I thought the crucifixion of the nigger was a little on the nose, but other than that it was pretty good.

>>84831479
precious rubber bands

>>84831452
Is OP a big guy?

>>84831406
No, 1 exists

>>84831490
DaFUQ?! Begins is even worse than Rises.

>>84831406
Dork Night is better

>>84831596
t. Memer

Dark Knight is best supervillain movie maybe, but Spiderman 2 is unequivocally the greatest adaptation of a comic book that cinema will ever see

>>84831562
>DaFUQ
>shitty opinion
get the fuck out of here faggot

Spidey 2
Logan
Winter Soldier
Iron Man
Dark Knight


rate my top 5

>Did Edison sleep before he wrote the 5th?
>Did Beethoven sleep before he blew up the city?
>Rubber bands are a privilege not a gift

>>84831723
Pretty solid list.

I was unsure about Winter Soldier but then Robert Redford kills his cleaning lady and that pretty much sold it for me.

>>84831723
all of them are shit

>>84831775
what was the point of that scene?

>>84831857
Top Secret

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>loses power because plot

How about no.

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>>84832008
Reddit is down the hall and to the left.

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>>84831406
>implying

3rd film was objectively the best, it goes 3>2>1. At least in terms of how KINO it all is

>>84831406
1 is better. 2 had that awful train scene where everybody figured out Spider-Man's identity but then swept it under the rug.

>>84832008
Yeah, this was stupid too.

I am so high I can hear heaveeeeeeeen
Whoah, but heaven, no heaven dont ever hear meeeeee

And they say that a hero could save us I'm not gonna stand here and wait

It's kino alright

>>84831406

It has Joey Diaz, so yes.

>>84831723
Solid List. I haven't seen Spidey 2 since I saw it in the theaters as a kid tho so i can't accurately place it in my list

I can only confidently say Logan is my #1

>>84833520
I unironically enjoy that song.

>>84833842
Wait what? Where?

Solid.

Unbreakable
BvS
Dark Knight
Spiderman 2
Hellboy 2

yes it is
the real question is why?

>>84834640
>BvS

so close
concept and ideas vs execution left a lot to be desired

>>84831406
Spiderman 1 was better

>>84831723
0/10. what an uncultured retard

The Incredibles
Unbreakable
Man of steel
Spiderman 2
Batman Returns

>>84832008

They pulled stupid bullshit like that in the comics too. Makes sense that he had spider erectile disjunction when life was nonstop shitting on him. He's been bitching about how much his life as a super hero sucks and having long whiney pity parties in his head since the 60s. That's why his fans love him

>>84832008
It was a mental thing. Like guys who get erectile disfunction from psychological reasons

>>84831406
The Incredibles
Iron Giant
Watchmen
Spiderman 2
X2
close 6th - MoS

rate me

>>84831406
No, im actually tired of its constant dick sucking just because most people havent seen it in a while. MJ is portrayed as flat and boring, her entire subplot that takes a considerable amount of the film relies on her marrying another guy who is a total non character cliche plot device. But no, its a fucking MASTERPIECE WITH NO FLAWS. Not to mention the awful cgi on Spider-man any time he needs to do something actually fast and spider-man like. Every time Spider-Man himself tries to tell jokes the actor's delivery falls completely flat and it just hurts.

>>84834648

It had heart and peter felt like a character that audiences wanted to root for. The showcasing of his shitty life made it more satisfying when he eventually overcomes his problems but it was also grounded enough to show in the end that even though things would never be perfect for him that he could be happy.

>>84834706

so close to being perfect bruh. Trade out MoS for og Superman then you are good.

yea

Nolan and Raimi are the only good capeshit directors.

>>84834849

>Every time Spider-Man himself tries to tell jokes the actor's delivery falls completely flat and it just hurts.

I will say as something who watched this in the theaters multiple times as a teenager and loved it, this is fucking spot on. The delivery is groan inducingly awful. Dopey Mcguire is a shit spiderman.

>>84834961
We must become Superman IV: The Quest For Peace

>>84834801
>Iron Giant
that doesn't even count

Toby spidey is best spidey fuck off with your 100lb twinks and their nigger gfs

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It's time guys

>>84835233
>Peter, did I ever tell you about the time I gutted 50 gooks in Nam? I did it in front of the villagers, to keep them in check.

Jesus Raimi.

>>84835303
Someone please post the damn actual line where he talks about the superior argan race

>>84831406
Yes

>>84831723
logan is meh

Birdman

>>84834706
man of steel is legit shit m8

>>84834849
i just saw it and is great.
He only says one joke in the fucking movie ffs.

>>84831406
I prefer 1. Gob is a better villain than Dr. Oc, and MJ wasn't a total cunt back then.

Spider-Man 2
Batman Begins
Logan

Every time I rewatch 1 and 2 they get worse, so I'll have to say no.

A "Superhero Film" does not inherently require literal 1974-tier dialogue exchanges between the hero and villain.

And Nolan movies go too far in the other direction.

And MCU movies are often too bland.

I just don't think any of these movies have ever been translated to from the comics in the right way, for me they're always starting with the wrong perception of how the story should be told.

>>84837404
>I just don't think any of these movies have ever been translated to from the comics in the right way
I don't think anyone who actually reads comics has any right to have an opinion on anything related to taste. It's a good thing not to be like comics.

>>84837355
Logan is overrated edgy garbage

>>84837458
Your mother is edgy.

>>84837452
This times hundred

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>It's you who's out, Gobby. Out of the closet and into my ass you cock-hungry ass bandit!
Is OP willing to defend this line?
Keep in mind the fact that this was a children's movie.

>>84837452
Then how is it a good thing to enjoy watered down films made from those comics without even half the amateur-hour story plotting or cliched character pathos of a guy called Spider-Man fighting a guy called Doctor Octopus?

Similar to my point, you're starting this argument from the wrong place.

>>84837483
say it to my face not online see what happens

>>84831406
Either this or the Dark Knight.

Watchmen
Hellboy 1 and 2
Dark Knight
The Spirit

Honourable mentions to ALL of the Raimi spidermans, Iron Man 1 and DOFP.

>>84837498
I can't seem to find any point to respond to in your post.

>>84837603
Incredibles pushes The Spirit down to honourable mention actually.

>>84837607
Because you can't follow a simple reply chain?
Are you some kind of moron?

You, assuming it was you, said "hurr comics are retarded, it's good they aren't like comics!" Which was barely relevant to what I said, and also implies that they aren't still like the fucking comics.

>>84831406

It's top five for sure. Even my mother enjoyed it because of the whole Doc Ock turning evil to spite the world, but ultimately redeeming himself through sacrifice angle. She was convinced the movie actually had a lesson on good versus evil and the nature of evil, which is what super hero flicks should have, I guess.

>>84837656
I still ca'n't find a point to respond to. I think you may have a chronic problem with rambling about shit nobody cares about, anon.

>>84837718
You're the one who responded, and you type like a woman.

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>>84831406
How do my favorites rank up?
>The Mark of Zorro (1940)
>Superman (1978)
>Toxic Avenger (1984)
>Blade (1998)
>Mystery Men (1999)
>Spider-Man (2002)

>>84837200
I prefer 1 also, but I'm not sure if I'd go as far to say that Gob is a better villain than the Doctor. I enjoy him a lot more, but Dr Oc had such a great character arc.

>>84831406

It's one of the best. For me though Daredevil will always be number one purely for what it achieved.

>>84837736
If you say so, hun.

>>84831723
>Winter Soldier
Was mediocre as hell, like a saturday morning cartoon episode stretched to 2 hours with all the painfully predictable twists, still don't know what capeshitters see in that one.

>>84837786
What did Daredevil achieve?

>>84837489
Damn that costume was goo

>loses his powers because pressure and stress and just needs to believe in himself again

Might as well have gotten amnesia. Spider-Man 2 is a movie for children.

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>>84831406
>worst villian ever
>tobey mcretard as man-spider
>mary down-syndrome jane watson
>dat orange filter
>muh powah
>muh responsibilteh
>BEST CAPESHIT
stop with this meme

>>84831723
>Logan

Shit flick people only praise because of the R-rating and blatant heartstring pulls.

Look past all the "This is Xavier now, feel old yet?" bullshit and you realize it's just as mediocre as The Wolverine.

>>84834849
Saw it to weeks ago. You're a contrarian, retard.

True capekino

Spider-Man Homecoming
Iron Man 3
Captain America Winter Soldier
Hellboy 1+2
First half of Batman Begins.

>>84834996
Bullshit. "I have a knack for that" was a great little quip and added just a little bit of comedic effect to an otherwise serious action sequence.

>>84838339
>I hate character development
Why'd you waste your time to write a self-depricating post?

>>84838632
Finished watching it 10 minutes ago.
The entire train scene is terrible, there's even a part where he tries to stop the train by stick his feet out against the wood planks between the rails, it's in the same tier visually as the part in Wolverine Origins where he slashes the fire escape. Then there's the Hack Snyder-tier Jesus imagery when Spider-Man passes out and people carry him to safety. Then there's the fucking part where a 30 year old man claims "he's just a kid, no older than my son!" of the visibly mid-30s toby mcguire. Then there's the part where "New York" sticks up for Spider-Man (which already happened in the first movie) and the part where the main villain knocks Spider-Man unconscious and brings him somewhere instead of just killing him (which already happened in the first movie).

Keep in mind this is literally the climax of the fucking movie and it's like the kind of shit you'd see as the denouement some shitty forgotten arc from 1986 where Big Wheel was the villain or some shit.

And all this Doc Ock "character arc" shit, the dude is good then bad then good again, oh dead wife, oh it's a slightly less cheesy (keep in mind this nigger is talking to his arms like he's smeagol and they're gollum) version of the Mr. Freeze arc in Batman & Robin.

>>84838727

>he accepts the oldest, most cliched tropes imaginable

Literally would've been a better story if goddamn Madame Web stepped out of a fucking magic vortex and put a curse on Peter and that was the reason he loses his powers.

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>>84838785
>The entire train scene is terrible

>>84838840

Confirmed for not having seen it in multiple years, if you think any of what I said isn't objectively true.

>>84838339
And the portion of the movie where he doesn't have his powers is great. He gets to live a normal life for the first time since he became Spiderman, rights some wrongs in his friendship with MJ. It provides some much needed levity for a bit until the burning building scene. Here's why Tobey's Peter Parker/Spiderman is the best. He willingly ran into a burning building so save someone's life AFTER he lost his powers, and is absolutely devastated when he learns there was someone else in there that died because he didn't know about them. Look up the scene. Right after it, there's a shot of him staring out his window about to have a fucking mental breakdown because he wasn't able to save someone's life. He had a huge heart and cared about people.

>>84838785
You are entirely retarded.

>>84838785
>It would be better if this bullshit that wouldn't expand on the character would happen, because it's new.
Ok, moron.

>>84838863
I watched it yesterday. It's the best scene in the movie.

>>84838864

He's been Spider-Man for assuredly less than two-years, possibly even as little as 5 or 6 months by the beginning of Spider-Man 2.

There's no reason for him to have such an arc, and certainly not one as hamfisted as the one used.

>>84838863
Yeah man, it sounds like you just didn't like the movie for whatever reason. Your points of argument are indefensible.

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>>84838897
>you can't have an arc that involves any sort of characterization or development unless you've been a superduper for several years running

>>84838863
No I've seen it recently and the scene is still great
>muh CGI
it's an older movie so it's excused, not to mention that newer capeshit movies are worse in that regard
>Then there's the Hack Snyder-tier Jesus imagery when Spider-Man passes out and people carry him to safety.
yeah man they'd let him just fall when he fainted especially after he saved them, seems logical
>Then there's the fucking part where a 30 year old man claims "he's just a kid, no older than my son!" of the visibly mid-30s toby mcguire.
not every young person has a babyface
>Then there's the part where "New York" sticks up for Spider-Man (which already happened in the first movie) and the part where the main villain knocks Spider-Man unconscious and brings him somewhere instead of just killing him (which already happened in the first movie).
nothing wrong with these, besides Homecomming rehashed many segments of the Raimi movies

you're grasping at straws to show how contrarian you are

>>84838897
Nope. In the movie Aunt May says it's been 2 years since Uncle Ben died, and he got the powers before that. 2 Years would be plenty of time for him to become mentally strained to an extreme degree by his struggle to live a double life.

>>84835233
>Peter, it's the white man's responsibility to keep the shitskins in line. "Subjugation" is a weak man's word for a weak man's world. All hail the new man!

I had no idea Raimi had enough clout to get this in

Absolutely not.

>Vast majority of the film is a retread of SM1 with Peter's flip-flopping about whether or not he wants to be a hero and whether or not he wants to admit he loves MJ
>Alfred Molina's brilliant performance as Doc Ock is fucking wasted on only being in the film for 20 minutes tops
>Even after Doc Ock is defeated there are about 30 ending scenes for no reason

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I've ranked every superhero film in the 21st century, and Spiderman 2 is only the 6th best

https://letterboxd.com/cianlangan/list/every-superhero-comic-book-film-of-the-21st/

>>84839117
>Vast majority of the film is a retread of SM1 with Peter's flip-flopping about whether or not he wants to be a hero and whether or not he wants to admit he loves MJ
Explain to me which scenes you think are retreads
>Alfred Molina's brilliant performance as Doc Ock is fucking wasted on only being in the film for 20 minutes tops
20 minutes is a 6th of the movie. That's enough because the movie is about more than just him.
>there are like 30 ending scenes for no reason
That's what happens when your movie has multiple subplots and completes them all perfectly.

>>84839238
>Explain to me which scenes you think are retreads
Every scene without Doc Ock is a retread. Peter loses his ability to use his powers because he can't make up his mind about whether he wants to use them or not. Just like in the first movie he wasn't sure if he should use them.

>20 minutes is a 6th of the movie. That's enough because the movie is about more than just him.
Willem Dafoe had a much more prominent role in the first film and the film was much more effective as a result since he drove the plot. Alfred Molina hardly gets any time to drive the plot because the vast majority is wasted on "oh man I don't want to be a hero, oh wait I do, oh wait I don't" and "I love you MJ but I can't be with you, but I want to be with you, but I can't be with you because I love you too much." The whole plot sans Doc Ock was so lazily ham-fisted.

>That's what happens when your movie has multiple subplots and completes them all perfectly.
28 scenes of showing the city and another 2 of Peter finally making up his goddamn mind about MJ after being a little bitch about it and wasting everyone's time for almost 2 hours isn't completing subplots perfectly.

Spider-Man 3, as shitty as it was, was more engaging because at least you could laugh about how shitty and cheesy it was during the movie. Spider-Man 2 was just pure ass from start to finish that you're forced to endure despite nothing substantial happening, barring Alfred Molina of course.

>>84831406
Memes aside, it isn't.

>>84834639
Train scene

>>84831622
>unequivocally the greatest adaptation of a comic book
>Peter Parker is barely antything like in the comics
>Mary Jane is barely anything like in the comics
>Octavius was being controlled by the tentacles, nothing like the comics
>In the comics Peter never gave up on being Spider-man when he briefly lost his powers
>In the comics Peter gave up on being Spider-man for half a day at most and didn't just watch like an autustic kid while someone got beat up

Spider-Man losing his powers is a dumbass plotline for some hypothetical 5th Raimi Spider-Man, not shit you put into the second movie.

Everyone involved by that point was willing to take it at least to Spider-Man 4, I have no fucking idea why anyone, Raimi, the screenwriters, whoever, thought that plot was a good idea. The movie is more about that shit than Otto, who gets introduced like 20 minutes into the movie and has maybe 2 short scenes as a brilliant well-meaning scientist before he's a violent thug threatening an old woman and smoking a cigar. His villainy doesn't even make sense.

>>84831562
your opinion belongs in that other site dude

>>84831634
>>84839380
>newboys will never know that kind of internet talk originated here

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>lay back in my chair and tear up every time I think of Spider-Man 1 & 2

I remember the exact day I watched Spidey 1, walked out of the cinema and my dad bought me this Green Goblin figurine, went home and played on the computer and ate jelly with my sisters friends all night.

Greatest Superhero films without a doubt

>>84835233
>wants to protect and keep the white race pure
>gets killed by an Italian
Shameful Raimi

>>84839375
>giving a single shit about comic books
the STATE of your life

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>>84839367
>Oh no!! Next stop is Auschwitz!!

Jesus Raimi

>>84831406
3 is better

>>84839443
>compare it to comic books
>"it's not like the comics"
>lol comics don't matter

idk why anyone would watch a shitty melodrama with ridiculous and underwritten characters for any other reason than they are comic book characters

There's better movies

>>84839319
>Peter losing his powers is a retread of Peter not being sure if he should use them

Stopped reading right there.

>>84839426
>>84839451
Explain this Spiderman-nazi meme to me please.

>>84839443
>giving a single shit about capeshit
the STATE of your life

>>84839477

whatever, episodes of a tv show like that are always the worst episodes
spider-man should be punching a villain, get his ass kicked, do some soul searching, then kick the villain's ass

Spider-Man 2 isn't even about Spider-Man vs. Doctor Octopus, but it should be. It would have been better if it was some low-key Spider-Man power failure scenario with Harry being the villain and going on a quest to find out who he is, ultimate setting a trap that works and finding out it's Peter.

At best, Doc Ock is underutilized, at best Doc Ock is absolutely pointless.

>>84839539
Yeah, all of that is just your personal issues with the movie, not objective facts and flaws with it. There are a ton of great scenes in the movie because it doesn't revolve around action and excitement. It actually tries to be a normal movie for a while.

>>84839507
/pol/ psyhop: normalize the alt-right

"Spider-man 2 is the best" is simply the result of Raimi-posting and /pol/-tards looking for a subtle foothold on /tv/. Before it, no one talked about SM2 fondly except for the train scene.

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>>84831406
>capeshit
>good

>>84831406
the whole trilogy

>>84839507
It was a ifferent time.

>>84839589
>normal
>super-hero movie in which the super-hero has no real powers for 2/3s of the runtime

Also,

>present criticism
>"nah bro sounds like a personal problem to me!"

Please grow up. I never stated there weren't any good scenes. Doctor Octopus is simply wasted in the film, yeah there's some good imagery because Raimi usually excels with visuals above all else, but he shouldn't be in the movie for an amount of time that's somewhere around half the length of time Peter spends de-powered.

Norman Osborn was in the first one enough to basically be a secondary protagonist, he had a much more complete arc and more interaction with both Spider-Man and Peter Parker.

You could parrot all the other repeated statements in the thread and say "but that Doc Ock redemption, tho" but it's an objective fact that he's onscreen for like 15 or 20 fucking minutes with a much more truncated arc compared to the villain of the first film. Again, this is why I said he might as well not be there because the movie is not about him versus Spider-Man, it's about Spider-Man's internal struggle.

Meanwhile the first movie pulled off the origin story with plenty of internal conflict and an actual villainous conflict.

>>84839692
*different

Glad to see more people pointing out how fucking hokey and dumb the whole "losing his powers because he doesn't want them" thing is.

The theme of Peter wanting to quit being Spider-Man is a classic but did they seriously have to make him literally lose his powers? Talk about laying it on way too thick.

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>>84839596
>

>>84831406
I never liked Doc Oc in this movie

>>84839709

Let's not forget this is also a movie where aunt may falls 50 feet but hangs from an umbrella like some three stooges gag and they cut to an office building where a bitch screams directly into the camera because Doc Ock's tentacles come through the wall.

But don't forget to take the emotional moments seriously!

At least the Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness never tried to be serious.

>>84839751
>taking comics this seriously

yeah the man with the robot arms and the human spider are more believable muh immersion

>>84832064
Great, you already know the way, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>84839703
Completely missing my point about the movie trying to be normal for a while. There are several scenes in the movie, a lot actually, where he isn't being Spiderman and it's just him trying to live his life. Going to college, trying to make it to MJ's play, getting fired from his pizza delivery job, friendship troubles with Harry and MJ, excellent dramatic scenes with Aunt May, the Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head scene, etc. It doesn't shoehorn Spiderman and Doc Ock into scenes where they aren't necessary.

>>84838785
>The entire train scene is terrible
stopped reading, you're a retard

>>84839772
>Spider-Man 2 Defense Force: "you just don't get it, you want stupid comic book shit instead of depth and emotion"
>Spider-Man 2 Defense Force: "lol you're taking these stupid comic book movies too seriously of course there's dumb jokes!"

>>84831406
>every talks about how bad Homecoming is and how great Raimi movies are compared to them
>RLM releases review sucking its dick and letting Rich shit all over the Raimi movies because "muh comic books"
>/tv/ hates the Raimi movies now
pottery

>>84839751
Comparing a scene to a three stooges gag doesn't make it bad by any stretch of the imagination. That's just how you interpreted it. I could compare the dramatic moments to bad soap operas because those are dramatic too but it doesn't mean the scene I'm comparing to it is.

>>84839791
Your argument doesn't work because the movies manage to blend emotional depth and comic book camp really well. This scene is a perfect example. This is evil as fuck but has some camp value to it as well, but it still manages to be one of the most genuinely disturbing scenes in any capeshit film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLQAWC90i50

>>84831775
That's so edgy holy cow how embarrassing

>>84831406
This doesn't look like Watchmen.

>>84831406

I prefer Superman but this is a close second

>>84839787
>the Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head scene

The actual worst part of the movie. I had forgotten or blocked that scene out of my mind somehow, I was utterly shocked when I watched the movie again recently. All the flaws of this movie make me understand 3 so much more clearly now.

>It doesn't shoehorn Spiderman and Doc Ock into scenes where they aren't necessary.

God forbid a spider-man movie "shoehorn in" scenes with an iconic spider-man villain where there would otherwise be no villain at all.

>>84839827
>Comparing a scene to a three stooges gag doesn't make it bad by any stretch of the imagination.

I didn't say it was bad. Are you the person who replied to me earlier when I said "Doc Ock is pointless" and you said "The movie isn't shit!" ?
I implied that it was tonally inconsistent, which is of course par for the course with Raimi, but he managed that balance way better in Spider-Man 1. He went more goofy with each movie, and the ratio was out of whack by the second one.

>>84839865

Yes, a scene from the first movie, which I've stated repeatedly is better than 2, especially because of the superior villain.

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>so THIS is what it feels like to be a nigger, huh?
fucking hell, how DID Raimi get away with this?

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>>84831406
It wasn't even the best superhero movie of its era. That honor still belongs to X2.

>>84839875
>raindrops
>worst scene in the movie
I thought that too, when I was 12 when the movie came out and I just wanted more Spiderman scenes with him fighting crooks. It doesn't work that way when you're an adult. You learn to appreciate moments of levity and joy like that.
>God forbid a spider-man movie "shoehorn in" scenes with an iconic spider-man villain where there would otherwise be no villain at all.
What is the objective problem with this?
>I didn't say it was bad. Are you the person who replied to me earlier when I said "Doc Ock is pointless" and you said "The movie isn't shit!" ? I implied that it was tonally inconsistent, which is of course par for the course with Raimi, but he managed that balance way better in Spider-Man 1. He went more goofy with each movie, and the ratio was out of whack by the second one.
>I didn't say it was bad
So if you don't think it's bad what's the problem? Tonally inconsistent? It's a great action scene with real stakes. Peter's precious Aunt May is in danger and he has to save her. She has to be in peril in some way. That's just how Raimi chose to do it.

not even the best spiderman movie

Superman the Movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78N2SP6JFaI

> wait, he actually rescues people and doesnt mope around for half the movie?

>>84839972
>You learn to appreciate moments of levity and joy like that.
I appreciate them when they're good. I could've appreciated the montage in Spider-Man 3, as well. If it was good. It wasn't, however, and neither was the one in Spider-Man 2.

>What is the objective problem with this?
Doctor Octopus is in the movie. Imagine if Spider-Man 3 didn't have Sandman in it, and Harry had no fight scenes. You'd have 15 minutes of Venom while the movie's actual focus was Peter's struggle with the suit. It would still be a bad movie. That's the structure of Spider-Man 2, except the loss of powers is the symbiote and Doc Ock is Venom. But in my example the black suit and Venom have an actual connection, so maybe it would be better.

>It's a great action scene with real stakes
Not when Aunt May escapes danger via vaudeville comedy.

>That's just how Raimi chose to do it.
Yes, remember when I said that?

>>84840044
Dubs confirm.

Why the fuck can't they just follow this model nowadays? Well-written movie with a lot of heart and great characterisations.

>>84840056
>I appreciate them when they're good. I could've appreciated the montage in Spider-Man 3, as well. If it was good. It wasn't, however, and neither was the one in Spider-Man 2.
Really just your opinion desu. It's cheesy but I think it works, in no small part due to the fact that it's a great song. If you disagree there, I can see why you don't like it.
>Doctor Octopus is in the movie. Imagine if Spider-Man 3 didn't have Sandman in it, and Harry had no fight scenes. You'd have 15 minutes of Venom while the movie's actual focus was Peter's struggle with the suit. It would still be a bad movie. That's the structure of Spider-Man 2, except the loss of powers is the symbiote and Doc Ock is Venom. But in my example the black suit and Venom have an actual connection, so maybe it would be better.
Your argument here is that the entire second act of the movie has almost nothing to do with Doc Ock. This doesn't bother me.
>Not when Aunt May escapes danger via vaudeville comedy.
Then it's a good thing she doesn't. She escapes danger via Spiderman catching her as she's falling and dropping her off in a safe place. Also
>I didn't say it was bad
>It's a great scene
>No it's not
So is it good or bad? Make up your mind.

>>84840044
>He will not be alone. He will never be alone
>You will travel Far, my little Kal-El, but we will never leave you, even in the face of our deaths
I got goosebumps just typing that.

punisher war zone is the only good capeshit film

>>84839150
>GOTG that high
>Civil war even being on the list.

You have to go back.

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>>84840167
>Really just your opinion desu.
So then why are we having a debate? Everything is opinions and nothing matters.
>Your argument here is that the entire second act of the movie has almost nothing to do with Doc Ock. This doesn't bother me.
The entire first act isn't about him, either. You seem to really like the cliche power loss angle of the movie, and indifferent to the presence of a villain in general, so I'm not sure why you're resistant to me saying the movie would've been better without a half-hearted villain arc.
>she doesn't.
pic related
>So is it good or bad? Make up your mind.
I said it wasn't great. There's a lot of room between "great" and "bad." "Good" is such a term. So is "decent," or "mediocre." Just like "Great" is better than "good," and "shit" is worse than "bad." I could explain further, if you desire.

>>84840263
>The entire first act isn't about him, either.
Because the movie is about Peter Parker/Spiderman, not the villain. Doc Ock isn't the main character.
>pic related
And? Can you explain how she escapes peril through that? Doc Ock is right there and grabs her after she "escapes peril" by landing on a ledge beneath her. Sounds like she was still in peril considering she was 70 years old 200 feet above the streets on a tiny ledge.
>I said it wasn't great. There's a lot of room between "great" and "bad." "Good" is such a term. So is "decent," or "mediocre." Just like "Great" is better than "good," and "shit" is worse than "bad." I could explain further, if you desire.
Only an autist gets hung up on trivial mistakes in terminology.

>>84840391
>Because the movie is about Peter Parker/Spiderman, not the villain. Doc Ock isn't the main character.
Then why is that nigga in the fucking movie? We can't keep going in circles like this, jesus fucking christ. This is called a flaw.
>Only an autist gets hung up on trivial mistakes in terminology.
"IS IT GOOD OR BAD? PICK ONE!"
Yes, I'm the autist.

>>84840431
>if he isn't the main character, when why is he in the movie?
Because being in the movie requires you to be the main character? Only one character can be the main character.
>Yes, I'm the autist.
You are. You could have simply said "I don't think it's great, just _____." Why was that so difficult for you to do? It would have actually gotten your argument across.

Spider-Man 2, more than any other superhero movie, gets the point across of being hopeful. What actually makes a superhero. Belief, the will to do good things, and standing together as one. For the people, with the people.

>>84839912
Jej

>>84840514
You mean like me explaining why I don't think it's great for like 20 posts?

>Because being in the movie requires you to be the main character? Only one character can be the main character.
Not quite. Norman was a main character in Spider-Man 1, for example.

>Why does a character need an arc?
>Why does a villain need to have proper storyline?
>Why does a character need to be significant?
>Why does a character need to add something to the story?

I could look up a "how to write a story" lecture, but you don't seem to understand, or are unwilling to entertain what I'm saying.
Doctor Octopus is not presented as a side-character in the film, he's not Betty Brandt, Jameson's secretary, who's there to add a little bit of color to the Daily Bugle scenes. Doctor Octopus is a villainous element who nearly kills Spider-Man several times and nearly blows up New York with a crazy science machine. Such a character should really be more present in the film, especially since they attempted to give him proper characterization and a proper arc, but did not do so purely because he isn't around for enough of the movie.

>Why does he need to be a----

Because, again, his role is present as being significant, without the actual depth to make support his significant. Again, the movie is about Peter losing his powers and then getting them back. It's not about Doctor Octopus, even though there's a needless storyline where the man almost blows up the city in which the film takes place.

You just don't seem to understand how a story works, quite frankly.

>>84831406
it's definitely well made

>>84840803
You just sound like you're autistic and getting hung up on stupid bullshit. You're choosing to focus solely on what's bad about the movie instead of what's good, and there's more good than bad.

>>84831406
It doesn't age well frankly.

>>84841012
You were born in 1999.

>>84831406

All the Spiderman/Batman/Richman/Whiteguyinlatex stuff is pretty awful

>>84837138

How? The detractors of MoS have such manlet reasoning.

"He didn't save da city! Two gods fought and people died!"

>>84841126
If only the movie were good.

>>84839150
That pic related is actually a really solid top 10

>>84834961
>>84837138
Pleb status: filtered

Nope that would be the one thats in the IMDB top 5

Ranked list. Based primary on personal enjoyment given that artistically speaking some things (like Unbreakable) are an order of magnitude greater than anything else. Also doesn't have movies that I haven't seen (Blade), are hard to rank (Spider-Man 3) or are absolute bullshit (Batman and Robin).

Dark Knight Rises
Dark Knight
Batman v Superman
Watchmen
Batman Returns
Split
Batman Begins
Spider-Man 2
Wonder Woman
Man of Steel
Unbreakable
Logan
X-2
X-Men Days of Future Past
The Crow
Batman 1989
Spider-Man
X-Men
Captain America Winter Soldier
V for Vendetta
Hellboy 2
Hellboy
Iron Man
Mystery Men
Sleight
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 3
Spawn
Iron Man 2
The Wolverine
Avengers Age of Ultron
Avengers
Deadpool
Superman/Superman II (Richard Donner)
Kick Ass
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man Homecoming
Batman Forever
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (all 3)
The Phantom
The Mask
Suicide Squad
Ant Man
Amazing Spider-Man 1&2
Constantine
Hancock
Cap: The First Avenger
Thor/Thor 2

>>84841081
Try 1994.

>>84841406
>23
>Maturity of an 18 year old
Sad

Why was Spiderman 3 so shit?

>>84841613

Avi Arad twisted Raimi's arm into putting Venom in when Raimi didn't give a shit about the character. So Raimi handled it in his signature fashion really.

It's a shame because the symbiote actually works with Peter in the movie, up until he started dancing. Cut out the dancing bullshit and Eddie Brock/Venom and it would be good

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Spider-Man 1 + 2
Batman Returns + The Animated Series
Darkman
and
Unbreakable

Are the only Capekinos worth watching in a sea of Capeshit

>>84840056
>>84839875
Pleb

>>84838863
Watched it yesterday. Still the best action scene in all of capeshit

>>84841683
>It's a shame because the symbiote actually works with Peter in the movie, up until he started dancing. Cut out the dancing bullshit and Eddie Brock/Venom and it would be good
can you explain this?
would he have kept the symbiote suit then? and the villain would just have been sandman?

Mary Jane used to be so god damn hot.

>>84839150

Guardians is overrated MCU quipshit. Guardians 2 was better but drops the ball. I don't see how Incredibles gets put up with these movies. It's not even top of the Pixar heap

1. 1978 Superman
2. 2012 Dredd
3. 2004 The Incredibles
...
35. 2016 Captain America: Civil War
36. 2004 Spider-Man 2
37. 2006 Superman Returns
...
99. 1997 Turbo: A Power Rangers Movie
100. 2005 The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D
101. 2005 Son of the Mask

>>84842052
>Donner Superman at number 1
>but 2004 Spiderman 2 way lower
Confusing ranking if you ask me. They're both really great.
>Turbo movie number 99
I assume you're ranking it lower than the 95 movie, which is also confusing to me. Neither are good but for me personally Turbo is easier to swallow.

>>84841914

I think him struggling with Sandman being his uncle's killer meshes perfectly with the symbiote's temptation of him

I would've like to see the symbiote fuck off. Like crawl away after Peter hits MJ (great moment btw) and he goes to the clock tower. Go find Eddie Brock in a sequel.

That would necessitate an over haul of the 3rd act naturally. But I like him forgiving Sandman at the end. It was a solid scene.

>>84840044
To be fair, as far as a superhero being the epitome of what man should strive to be, you're never going to beat superman 78. Powers or not, Clark is a hero, he's the person we all know we should try and be.

>>84841986
>Guardians is overrated MCU quipshit

Is that in the same way /tv/ is overrated 4chan quipshit? I couldn't give a shit about Guardians, if that's at all relevant.

>>84842094
I never got Spider-Man 2 as much as everyone else. Absolutely hated MJ in it and thought the pacing was rubbish.
Excellent villain, though, and the train/evildead scenes are awesome.

I have the 95 Power Rangers at number 66, but that might be the nostalgia talking.

>>84842100
I'm in agreement there. Although, I did like the dance scene quite a lot, a little comedic moment showing that despite all the confidence, Peter was still a complete dork with no idea of what's cool. Everything else apart from Eddie was great.

>>84842100
A lot of people hate that 3 changed the circumstances of Ben's death, but the scene at the end when he explains what happened while it shows a flashback was pretty good, I agree. Cliff Robertson really nailed the role and perfectly captured that "kind old man just wants him to turn around and walk away peacefully" character, but it did soften the blow by making Sandman an accidental and reluctant killer rather than the implied cold blooded murderer idea from the first movie.

>>84842052
actually sounds like a decent list. top 10?

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>>84839413
still don't know why this Gobbo design got SO MUCH shit. It's not great but it's OK, obviously they aren't gonna have a guy in a perfectly skintight goblin costume with a moving face and purple tights in the movie. Green Goblin is a design that just makes no sense in a realistic context, it can't perfectly translate to the screen at all. ASM2 showed us just how bad it could truly be.

Should've gone with Alex Ross' proposed design in pic related desu, looks fucking awesome. Guess they wouldn't want to have Willem Dafoe get all mutated and have his face unrecognizable.

>>84842268
1. 1978 Superman
2. 2012 Dredd
3. 2004 The Incredibles
4. 1989 Batman
5. 2008 Iron Man
6. 2005 Batman Begins
7. 2002 Spider-Man
8. 2017 Logan
9. 1993 Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
10. 2008 The Dark Knight

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>>84842476
Solid

>>84842476
decent list desu

>>84842476
>2. 2012 Dredd

based, sequel in the cursed earth when

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>>84834706
>unbreakable
>man of steel
>batman returns

>>84843214

Reddit hates Snyder

yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIlStdAb1EY&t=31s

>>84839778
>lol let me switch the argument around xD

>>84842476
Only good list ITT

>>84831723
>Spidey 2
>Logan
>Winter Soldier
>Iron Man
>Dark Knight
>rate my top 5
no MoS? dafaq
logan is pleb
iron man is pleb
winter soldier is pleb

logan is pleb

only spidey 2 is pure kino.

i rate you 1 out of 5 kinos

>>84831406
Either this or X-Men First Class imo

Superman is the best superhero movie. Makes you believe a man can fly and still be human. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlb1YKs3ug

>>84831406
Bitch was really hot, movie was okay. It was watchable, honestly.

>>84845083
>All these things I can do, all these powers, and I couldn't even save him

These old movies were so well written it almost feels like one line could make the whole 2 hours worth it.

>>84844086
My guilty pleasure is Iron Man 2. The stupid Big Bad boy is somehow charming lol

Not just a great superhero film, but legitimately a great film. Each and every scene is memorable yet functional - always pushing Peter down or reminding us of the clash between his two lives. Unlike Nolan or the MCU or even the X films that are monotonous, Raimi is a master of different tones. In one scene he can give you Peter's tearful confession that he caused Uncle Ben's death, another scene a rousing, heroic web swing, the next a cornball montage with BJ Thomas playing. But it's all in service of character and theme.

Homecoming was great but like all Marvel movies, it exceeds at being enjoyable but doesn't seem to have anything to say. and obviously whoever the hell directed it doesn't have a tenth of Raimi's visual and technical skill.

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>>84842476
>1. 1978 Superman