>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human

>>84724995
That sounds god fucking awful, Rust.

>>84724995
Fucking nihilists dude. I mean say what you will about national socialism but at least it's an ethos

>>84724995
Meanwhile in season 2
>is that a fucking e-cigarette?

What did he mean by this?

I love this board.

Every planet that develops intelligent life is destined to have a primitive species like man who is the first to wield the bare minimum ability to civilize the planet. That first species is destined to have so much in common with its recent ancestors that its behavior and the resulting civilization will be disgustingly primitive and eventually irredeemable, but it's still a necessary step on the path to another superior species that will create a civilization worth living in.

Congratulations guys, we're the single-celled life forms of civilized life. Everything that comes after us will be better.

>>84727273
We already have the head start on all the (earth) species that could possibly evolve into having civilization. Theres no way that if say octopi started living long enough to pass down knowledge and start their own civilization that they could surpass us since we'd be observing them from the start and would destroy them if they became in anyway dangerous to our own civilization.

That being said maybe some stupid hippies would influence us enough to encourage this species to surpass us.

>>84727273
Antinatalism is better

>>84725499
Thats not nihilism.

>>84727493
Thats what OP's post is

>>84727478
We still don't know what lurks in the bottom of the ocean or on the dark side of the moon.

>>84727559
No shit. That's why I said it.

>>84724995
The truth is, you cannot argue with this without deluding yourself. And human nature is to delude yourself and continue your life in a bubble.

>>84724995
Is this fedoracore reddit shit really the reason why this show is so popular? This is like a 16 year old's half-baked shower musings. I guess everyone here can relate to thinking their juvenile pontificating is somehow profound

I feel like eventually we'll just have robots to do all work for us and we can all kick back, watch kino, and shitpost in peace. We, being the species, I mean. Our current generations and our kids will have to be wagecucks still.

>>84727576

>the bottom of the ocean
tube worms and tiny crustaceans. Maybe some extremophile bacteria deeper in the vents.

>dark side of the moon
If they can't get to the other side they sure as shit aint very civilized

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>>84724995
well... that's me convinced!

>>84725558
Hahaha robotic penis in my mouth

>>84727631
What do you find profound?

>>84727478
Our replacements might be engineered by us (robots, genetics) or we might blow ourselves up and another species develops from the ashes.

>>84727576
But we do now what is on the dark side
We have satellite images

>>84727631
It's not at all. It's popular because of the uncommon setting, the great visuals, the interesting character development, and the memes. There's even some tits, ass, and a nice action sequence. The plot not so much.

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Past a certain age, a man without a family can be a bad thing.

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>>84727676
Not this

>>84727710
Could be Transformers

>>84727799
Well, give an example

Didn't the writer rip this from something?

>>84727576
The whole "we know more about space than our oceans" is a big fat meme underwater explorers use to make themselves feel better about being 2nd rate explorers.

We know in fact jack shit about space, but we observe it a lot, as far as technology allows us.

The ocean?
We focus on some interesting areas but the fact is that the ocean is a very uninteresting place, not much happens there, it's basically a giant graveyard, unless there is a hidden continent sized subterranean ocean under the ocean that we have no access to, we have technically seen all there is to see, yes new species are discovered all the time, but they are nothing actually new to the genus, just subspecies or variations, and it all indicates it's gonna be like that forever.

>>84727839
It's mostly all from The Conspiracy against the Human Race which also has a lot of other nihilist stuff in it too.

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>>84727867
>not much happens there
>there are creatures that have evolved to live in other creature's butts and eat their gonads

lots of cool shit down there

>>84727867
>ocean is a very uninteresting place
well you blew all your credibility there dude, I've seen BBC Earth

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>>84727631
I like how any kind of discussion into human nature is now automatically labeled fedora by autists like you. You don't even know what it means, you just repeat it to appear contrarian and edgy, exactly what you lambast the fedoras for. So tell me, what specifically is it about Rust's quote that is fedoracore or reddit to you?

>>84727952
It's a defense mechanism by people whose ideology or intellect is threatened by ideas they don't understand, pay no attention.

>>84724995
>character gets away with monologuing because he's intelligent
>4chan dummies can't stand that they'll never be able to do the same

>>84728042
Literally nobody in-show liked his monologuing

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It was a real treat for me to see the pessimistic and antinatalist philosophy of people like EM Cioran, Thomas Ligotti, David Benatar, and Schopenhauer portrayed in a great show.

I was hoping other shows after True Detective would've been green lit to explore a similar worldview, but I haven't heard of any like that.

>>84727952
>he actually thinks any of the op's quote is profound.
How about you read a bit? Broaden your horizons? then you will see what people are talking about when they criticize this teenage angst dribble. You are what happens when all you do in life is watch movies and masturbate.

>>84728085
Most of the audience did though.

This is just more of that 4chan thing of trying to frame not conforming and sharing divisive opinions as shameful.

>>84728085
Which means what exactly? What he's saying is only wrong if you take it completely literally, but even then more of it is true that people here seem to want to admit. I'm not even advocating for the pessimistic aspects of this, but on a basic level it's silly to dismiss the ideas as juvenile when they are genuinely insightful on a certain level.

>>84727952
Idiots have just memed the idea that this is no different from the kind of shit the characters on Rick and Morty would say.

>>84727589
why haven't you killed yourself?

Time is a flat circle, man.

He was right about everything. Humanity is a cesspool and creating a child is the most selfish and arrogant act possible. Hopefully our replacements take over the planet soon, we're not worthy of it.

>>84728267
I lack the constitutions

>>84728120
What was your opinion on the ending? Did you like how it ended on a happier note or did you want it to stay where it was? I'm right with you on your 2nd paragraph too.

>>84728120
It's hard to write a character who is so bleak about life.

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>>84728342
>What was your opinion on the ending?
I wanted Rust to stick to his antinatalist guns! But it was still a moving ending.

In my own idiosyncratic interpretation of the ending Rust does not, in fact, change his worldview. It was just the stress and the painkillers that caused that final moment.

I like the antinatalist philosopher Davd Benatar's comments on the show, too.
http://www.thecritique.com/articles/we-are-creatures-that-should-not-exist-the-theory-of-anti-natalism/

>>84728293
We've used so many natural resources that if we were to wipe ourselves out tomorrow it's pretty unlikely there would be enough easily accessible coal, iron and oil for another species to start an industrial revolution

>>84728528
In the scale of time of evolution the earth can survive a lot. There has been 5 or more great extinctions. In some millions of years it will recover, but it might be pretty shitty for a while.

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>>84727952
>>84728212
>"are you fucking kidding me? dude like i can't even. j-just read a book"
you just proved him right anon.

>>84724995

t. Schopenhauer

>>84728522
I always thought it was odd that they talked about the light beginning by to win against the darkness but the last shot is a completely black sky

>>84728522
>I wanted Rust to stick to his antinatalist guns! But it was still a moving ending.
Completely agree. I still liked it though because even though he changed, or at least looked like he changed it didn't change the fact that they only got one guy, one small part of the entire thing and it's still going on. Really added to the hopelessness. They got their guy but that's still depressing.

>>84728528
>implying this hypothetical other species would require fossil fuels
>implying this hypothetical other species would make the same dumb mistakes we made

>>84728212
what exactly can you point to which tops this?

>>84729396
lol your average zizek youtube video is more profound you moron.

>>84724995

Does anyone even talk like this irl?

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he is such a fucking philosophy babby it is not even funny

pic rel would have put him straight in like ten seconds flat

>>84729597
I read that, very nice. But wasn't Tolstoy's answer to his existential issues just take a leap of faith and believe in God?

>>84724995
literally m'lady the show
literally m'lady the character
literally m'lady the writing

no wonder this rebbit colony likes this piece of shit so much

>>84729525
>calling total strangers morons for asking straightforward questions
>thinks his definition of what is profound is at all respectable now

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>>84729560
I had thoughts similar to it back in high school, I think everyone did. That edgy phase that most normal people grow out of.
Thats all I can think about when I hear people whining about how pointless life and existence is.
Get laid. Get a hobby. Go outside. Live.
Or just fucking kill yourself already so I don't have to listen to you bitch about everything.

>>84727839
It sounds similar to the speeches Ivan makes in The Brothers Karamazov. Dostoevsky attacks this exact kind of thinking often.

>>84729681
It's not just 'believe in God', it's to live out of love of the world rather than fear. To be motivated by pure, unbound passion and love for God is the highest form of existence. It requires no reasoning or logic, only that you trust in yourself and in your heart that you are doing the right thing. To be a moral man, and to truly love God, is to remove the worries of existensalism. You will have lived a good life, and you will go to Heaven. Free will is merely a maze, and God's light is intended to guide you through it.

>>84730484

kek, so much this. Like who the fuck would ever ponder their existence?

its fucking cringe as fuck dude go see the newest marvel movie, or get a hobby, watch some sports, fuck just get laid you losers. LMAO

>>84728321
10/10 post

>>84728120
To be fair you can find this kind of POV in a lot of modern pop shows.
To the point that now Schopenhauer or Camus are reddit for /tv/ standards
I'm thinking Fargo, Rick & Morty, Bojack, Louie...

>>84730661
Thanks

>>84730661
>put him straight in ten seconds
>just ignore everything dude, I am right

There's literally no way to prove any kind of deconstructive existentialism wrong in the face of the world, but I guess I'm happy for those who try

>>84730661
While I don't believe in some all powerful creator, I do believe that you should try to be a good person just to spread the love and positive feelings. Nothing bad ever came from being nice.

...I mean, unless you're JFK, Bob Marley or John Lennon. Then you get a bullet to your head for spreading it 'too' well.

I absolutely hate True Detective circlejerk threads.

>>84730828
I think his main point is just that people who attempt to make sense of something like that are usually miserable and depressed, so why bother trying.

>>84730939
I think that's a good philosophy anon

>>84727923
there are creatures that have evolved to live in your butt

>>84724995
>nature created
You call it nature. It's just fucking chaos. Alternatively this is all the conscious design of some creator deity, but more than likely it's just chaos.

>>84730939
Yeah easily one of the most annoying thing about some Christians is their bewilderment that you can have that mindset AND not believe in god. I went to some bible meeting thing in college as a nonbeliever (friends dragged me to it) and was asked by like 4 different people how that was even possible, where the sense of "right" comes from if not from God himself. As if you need to be super religious to have the motto of "Don't be an asshole".
So I think that was honestly a good point by Rust in that tent scene of (paraphrasing) if someone needs the fear of God's wrath to keep them in line, they're a piece of shit. It's why I'm totally okay with Christianity sticking around for a while longer, because apparently some people seriously need the idea of God in their lives in order to be decent human beings.

>>84731456
>chaos
Does it abide by the laws of nature? Well then it's not chaos is it.

>>84724995
>reads ligotti once
fuck off pizza, you're a hack

Nihilists just have brain damage.

>>84728571
That's nothing like Schopenhauer

>>84727635
You would need a free market with massive automation for that to happen

>>84731586
>all of the most intelligent thinkers have brain damage

Interesting

>>84731675
>most intelligent thinkers are nihilists
t. brainlet
Most intelligent thinkers have no problem constructing their own meaningful belief systems. Nihilists are people smart enough to deny religion but stupid enough not to construct their own beliefs.

>>84730484
Probably close to 0% of kids have those thoughts, exceptions being those who are both smart and underprivileged. It's more something you grow into as you realize more and more that life is pointless, horrific torture, not something you grow out of. Why do spergs like you default to this non-argument?

>>84731703
If you're constructing your own belief system that means it's fabricated and thus meaningless. You don't seem to understand what intelligence is. If you can lie to yourself you're retarded.

>>84729525
Not him but zizek is a brainwashed pseudointellectual that delusional college kids listen to.

He doesn't even believe in evolution or human instincts.
Like how fucking stupid did you have to be?

>>84731470
The absence of belief in something does not render its effect on you null. For theists who view God as the source of goodness, your ability to do good despite your lack of belief is not due to some preternatural ability on your own part, its just that you deny its ultimate source. You can't do good without God, though you can do it without knowledge of Him.

>>84725558
PIZZA PIE

Why aren't we massively investing in life extension and immortality?

>>84724995
It's not impossible, it's necessary

>>84731722
You create your own meaning, idiot.

What's meaningless is subjective.

I used to be a nihilist teenager just like you.

>>84727631
The point of that quote isn't to project thought provoking wisdom onto the viewer, it's to paint Rust as a nihilistic asshole

>>84731756
Zardoz. Immortality without something infinite to contempt (the Beatific Vision) would render all pursuits so insipid life would be indistinguishable from Hell.

>>84731782
t. Double digit IQ.

If you're creating it then it isn't meaning. The truth is that nothing matters and the "meaning" you've created is a lie. You don't realize this because you're stupid.

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>>84725558
SOME SAY LOVE

>>84731756
Only worthy people deserve life extension and immortality. The idea of some neet frogposter gamer mra living forever sickens me.

>>84731813
whoopsie. Contemplate, not contempt

>>84731722
>fabricated and thus meaningless
What is and isn't meaningless depends on your scale. Something meaningless to the universe is meaningful to your city. It's up to you to organize your priorities. If you want to tackle the world on a universal scale, there's meaning in that too. Pretty sure stopping the slow cold death of the universe is meaningful on a universal scale. So work on that, contribute a tiny little bit to humanity understanding that problem, that'll be your universal meaning.

>>84731788
The point of the quote is that it's true and sheds light on Rust's suffering as a genius.

>>84731829
>mra
Why do you leftists delusional pretend you're welcome here?

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>>84729525
>>84727631
>>84728212
>>84727631
>>84727799
>zero argument or discussion
>just triggered butthurt rambling and buzzword spouting
>won't and can't name anything you believe in that is any better
Pic related, it's (You)

>>84731819
It's not about creating meaning, it's about choosing it. Meaning exists everywhere, you can just pick and choose the meaning you like. You can do something meaningful to your family or something meaningful to human race or to the planet or to universe itself. It's up to you to pick the meaning you like.

>>84731819
>YOU'RE ONLY PRETENDING TO BE HAPPY
AHAHAHAHA

>>84731836
That isn't meaning, it's a delusion.

>>84731728
Not really a great argument though, is it? I kind of hope you're just playing the role of "what a Christian would say", which if so well done because it's pretty annoying.
Why can't I do good without God? You don't need to familiar with God in order to know of pain, for example. You've felt pain, you logically assume others do too based on their stories and reactions, so going through life with the motto of "I don't wish to cause anyone pain" seems good to me, yet God never entered the picture. I didn't do it because I feared Hell, I didn't do it because I sought salvation in Heaven, I did it because I concluded with myself it was the right thing to do.
It's a kind of ridiculous argument to bring up, the "absence of belief in something does not render its effect on you null", simply because how is that to be debated, exactly? You cannot grow up in a developed nation anywhere on the planet without hearing the story of God one way or another. I don't understand how denying it means I'm still following it, if only blindly.

>>84724995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAgJe7TTG8U
>a... raw deal?

>>84731884
That's not an argument, it's an edgy quip. If you don't want to argue, stop responding.

>>84731884
Okay, mister meaningless. Let's say I stand in front of you with a knife ready to cut you open in exactly 10 seconds. Is there meaning in you moving away from my knife?

>>84731728
Spot on anon. It's the same reason why, in some parts of the Bible, those who lived before Christ were granted access to Heaven posthumously for living as a Christian without finding God.

>>84731852
Did you miss the part at the end of the season where he basically goes back on this shitty brainless thought pattern and basically becomes religious?

>>84731950
That doesn't happen, even the writer felt the need to say so in an interview because of retarded viewers like you who make ridiculous extrapolations. He became slightly more optimistic and hopeful and nothing beyond that, and it was from a near death experience, also known as a delusion/hallucination.

>>84731895
>it was the right thing to do

You exist in a moral universe maintained and, for the most part, constructed by Christianity. You live by the Ten Commandments, roughly, even if you yourself don't follow a religion. Ask an animal what it thinks the 'right thing to do' would be in regards to, for example, stealing another dogs food. There would be no hesitation for an animal, as animals lack morality. Unlike humans, who are moral, where the idea of stealing is seen as bad and deplorable. It is only seen as bad because we have been taught that it is bad.

>>84724995

Caspere knew this

>>84731950
>religion
>not the definition of a brainless thought pattern

Nihilism is true, religion is comforting.

>>84731895
>Why can't I do good without God?
because God is the ultimate source of good, as both Creator and completely benevolent. If God in the Christian understanding exists, any good action would require some cooperation, if not you would be claiming personal divinity.

>You've felt pain, you logically assume others do too based on their stories and reactions, so going through life with the motto of "I don't wish to cause anyone pain" seems good to me, yet God never entered the picture. I didn't do it because I feared Hell, I didn't do it because I sought salvation in Heaven, I did it because I concluded with myself it was the right thing to do.
>I don't understand how denying it means I'm still following it, if only blindly.
Because you are approaching it from the standpoint of moral law and truth can be separated from, or be in itself independent from God. Truth exists as a system separate from God, or even one in which He would be subject to, rather then the source of. It denies omnipotence which is incompatible with a Christian, theistic mindset. The blindness would be the neglect to understand your good actions are in fact inspired by God, and the desire whether from sympathy or empathy, to reduce pain, was a conscious act of design on Gods part, not some philosophy you brazenly cobbled together from sheer will.

>>84732036
What's true is that we're all particles moving around in space. How aimless that movement is depends entirely on the observer. Movies are just lights flickering on the screen. And yet for a human, movie can have a meaning.

>>84731994
>You live by the Ten Commandments, roughly
Which makes me wonder if their implementation was so quickly accepted that their concepts, which again all relate to pain somehow, is something that existed long before Christianity ever entered the picture. I mean there were people long before there was Christianity, they weren't complete savages then and they weren't perfect being afterwards.
As for the morality, humans would gladly steal if they convince themselves they have no other choice. God would say not to and die, though, so there is that option, however many would choose to steal, live another day, and ask for forgiveness later if ever. I think animals lack foresight, so while a person may not do the wrong thing because something will work out eventually, an animal sees everything in the now. Kind of ridiculous again, we can't speak with animals so really we don't know how a dog justifies what it does.

>>84732062
>God is the ultimate source of good
And evil? "God works in mysterious ways" after a hurricane or tornado. I don't see the good, but I am not the benevolent creator.
Were people not really people before God gave us Jesus or something? Was he the source of good for the ancient Greeks, they just didn't (and would never) know? The cavemen? Seems bizarre to trap them in purgatory without giving them a chance at knowing of his Light. Why not let them know their polytheistic belief system was wasted breath, that there was one god and that he deserved the credit, and without proper prayer they were ignorant heathens?
>brazenly cobbled together form sheer will
Kind of insulting, really, to just tell people that rationalizing with oneself and coming to a consensus in your own mind about right versus wrong is just cobbling something together rather than a struggle. More so to tell them God did it for them, somehow.
I'm happy you understand that the concept of "truths" is something incompatible with a theistic mind, it's like arguing with a wall.

>>84732314
>there were people long before there was Christianity, they weren't complete savages then and they weren't perfect being afterwards
Not that anon, but they had their own religions before that. Babylon sure as hell wasn't a bunch of atheists and the people before that weren't atheists either. Do you even watch JRE?

>>84732314
>And evil? "God works in mysterious ways" after a hurricane or tornado. I don't see the good, but I am not the benevolent creator.
Beatitudes. A trust in which saints, mystics, martyrs and the Holy Family alike attested to by their own suffering.
>them in purgatory without giving them a chance at knowing of his Light
you are confusing purgatory with limbo. The former is an established doctrine, the latter was always hypothetical.
>Why not let them know their polytheistic belief system was wasted breath, that there was one god and that he deserved the credit, and without proper prayer they were ignorant heathens?
Harrowing of Hell, anon.
>Kind of insulting
boohoo.
> to just tell people that rationalizing with oneself and coming to a consensus in your own mind about right versus wrong is just cobbling something together rather than a struggle.
you didn't read my post. The point was that what you think is some great existential revelation is merely you coming closer to an already established, eternal truth, that reducing pain where possible is part of God's will. Your not making truth, your merely finding it (though imperfectly)
>I'm happy you understand that the concept of "truths" is something incompatible with a theistic mind, it's like arguing with a wall.
What are you talking about. Truth is integral to a theistic mindset. The difference is that when one is attempting to subject God to truth, rather then understand His role as its author, you are setting truth up as the ultimate, independent authority of the universe, rather then the natural product of God.

>>84731868
No you idiot, its just that when people get to living their lives they dont have time to also be professional philosophers.
The pseudo philosophical musings of rust are exactly that, pseudo-philosophical.
Ever hear any adult talking this way? You know why? Cause its fucking retarded. One's philosophy is based on one's life and decisions.
Rust's nonesense are teen angst because teens are in the exact age at which they srart thinking about one's meaning and place in society. Its also a time when some people end a certain initial stage in their life and are suppose to start their "adult" life and thus need to start making descisions on their own and sculpting their independent course.
Now, adults get over this stage and realize that philosophy is a profession, and one's amateur thoughts about different things are by nothing fun a fun way to pass the time, and are not to be taken seriously or a source of decision making about serious life events.

SEASON 3 CONFIRMED

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>>84731950
Retard

>>84725499
i'll cut off your chonson

>>84732314
I think that Christianity is a perfection of religions gone before.

The point is that dogs do not justify what they do, because they are amoral. As for stealing, the point of loving God even when in the face of death and poverty is that you have shown yourself to be a good and true man, and as such will reach Heaven.

>>84728528
Yeah.

All of that fossil fuel, the available uranium, all of that was essentially an inheritance we blew through instead of investing.

Our younger siblings will have no easy energy available to harvest and kick off their own industrial revolutions.

>>84732361
>a bunch of atheists
I didn't say they were, but they weren't worshiping the "right" God, correct? So God let them live in ignorance of his truth... why?
>JRE
Oh, okay.
>>84732469
>attested to by their own sufferingalike attested to by their own suffering
So blind acceptance of pain rather than emphasis on self improvement? Blessed are the meek? God's followers sound lazy, not good, in beatitudes. Complacent with misery, wow what a "benevolent" God.
>confusing purgatory with limbo
Then what's the answer for those that never knew of God's word? Were they bad? Was there good if no God? Or was there God the whole time, just not good because they didn't know his word?
>Harrowing of Hell
A story by apostles far, far after Jesus. It's religious fan fiction at best, not the word of God himself. That good book sure needs another chapter though, something as cool as that would make a fun read.
>boohoo
By the way I didn't mean for me, I just mean if you tell people in public that claim to have struggled with their central belief system and conflict within themselves that "God is doing good in you" or some other brush-off, it's condescending and smug, especially since you say it though it were established fact. (It isn't)
>you didn't read my post
Come on.
>The point was that what you think is some great existential revelation is merely you coming closer to an already established, eternal truth
Right, so now I understand what you're saying a bit better, so it "makes sense" to me now, but I don't think it does to you. Reducing pain is God's will but he also gives it to us seemingly arbitrarily through disasters and born-into poverty? Seems like a weird duality that I am surprised people just blindly accept.
>Truth is integral to a theistic mindset
Certain truth, of course. Not truths like when the world was created or how or how fast, or how people didn't just spawn magically, etc. Digging your hand in the sand and accepting rhetoric isn't seeking truth, but faith.

>>84731994
I disagree.

It's seen as bad because it become pretty obvious what happens if we do otherwise. We view murder for a slight as wrong not because of some book, but because it's easy to see that if we did not regard it as wrong, we would quickly exterminate each other when we were having a bad day and being grumpy, and therefore everything falls apart.

Humanity's ability to project consequences into the future is sort of a primitive Kantian categorical imperative that underlies our selection of right and wrong behaviors. Our reasoning isn't always correct, but it isn't imposed by the Bible.

>>84732873
Animals murder each other all the time, they don't go extinct.

>>84732829
>God's followers sound lazy, not good, in beatitudes. Complacent with misery, wow what a "benevolent" God.
You are explicitly removing Heaven and the corresponding glory attributed to a martyrs pain. Eschatology is integral to christianity. There is an imperative to help remove suffering from the world, yes, but the complete eradication of it is impossible for anyone but God. Christ himself promised the perpetuation of poverty until His return.
> Or was there God the whole time, just not good because they didn't know his word?
you are debating the same thing we discussed earlier. God is eternal, and the source of good. He exists independent from men. People could do good before the christian understanding of God make made known because the Source of goodness still existed.
>A story by apostles far, far after Jesus. It's religious fan fiction at best, not the word of God himself.
its literally part of the Apostles Creed. Its been a cornerstone of christian thought for well over 15 centuries. So nice fore you to parse out what is true and what is apocrypha. I'm not a fundamentalist, tradition as well as scripture informs doctrine.
>it's condescending and smug, especially since you say it though it were established fact. (It isn't)
im not speaking in platitudes.
>Reducing pain is God's will but he also gives it to us seemingly arbitrarily through disasters and born-into poverty?
You, again, here are attempting to point out a logical inconstancy in christianity by taking out part of the creed, namely Judgment and Heaven. Its part of the equation. Sufferings in this life are temporal. The ones in the next aren't. Pleasures and glory in this life are temporal, the ones in the next aren't. Thus the primary drive in this life is to learn the behaviors that will attain glory in the next. This sometimes can result in joy, sometimes from pain. But the purpose of life is not some idle, epicurean pursuit of non-destructive pleasure.

>>84724995
First year college students ought to love this shit.

>>84733052
Not the way people would. Animals don't also flip out about the smallest shit. We do. People are way meaner than other animals.

>>84733301
>Animals don't also flip out about the smallest shit.

t. never worked with animals

>>84733301
>Chimp attacks aren't a thing.
>>84733347
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT
its a leaf, gentle beast.
>FUCKTHAT SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>84730691
I got it even if no one else did
I love the way all these kids in this thread keep saying that nothing is deep but if you read their posts they have absolutely nothing to say themselves. If you pretend everyone else is stuipd you can also pretend you're smarter than them without actually proving it, it's easier than admitting to yourself that you don't know shit.

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>>84727273
>implying this isn't it the best we're going to get

>>84733522
I've seen some otherwise thoughtful and mild-mannered people become quite hostile, even vicious, when pessimistic, antinatalist, or existential comments are made.

It really sets people off.

>>84733236
I'm almost leaving work and have been reduced to mobile so sadly I'll have to keep it brief.
>perpetuation of poverty
What a simple guarantee, Jesus sure was a wise man. And believing God can undo what he has created at any moment but doesn't so people can be his chessboard and being okay with this belief sounds like legitimate Stockholm Syndrome. To think anyone will view you as a martyr these days is laughable as well, no Christians in the west want people suffering and dying, how ridiculous.
>same thing we discussed earlier
Not really, but this answer of yours is a major cop out. God is eternal but only recently showed up to show people good and bad, give us his law. Plus, you're just now finally answering my question of people being able to do good without knowledge of a true God and his laws. How a grown adult doesn't see the contradiction is mind boggling.
>Apostles Creed
Glad only Catholics are "real Christians" in your eyes, while the other many sects don't regard it nearly as highly. So nice of me to decide what's religiously canon? People pick and choose all the time, including yourself undoubtedly. I'm sure you don't agree with every pastor and every pope, do you?
>part of the equation
Right, of course it is. Too bad these learned behaviors change by the century and once heroes are now seen as vile scum by the mouth of God on earth. Zero consistency and so many splinters in faith mean people are finally seeing this sham for what it is.

>>84727631
>pontificating
Nice word.

>>84730484
>Get laid. Get a hobby. Go outside. Live.

Normies are s fucking dumb, can you do anything but spout shitty facebook tier platitudes

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>>84733301
Have you ever seen a fucking dog next to a vacuum cleaner when you turn it on

>>84733798
>so people can be his chessboard and being okay with this belief sounds like legitimate Stockholm Syndrome.
Christ demonstrated the folly of this slander through His Incarnation and subsequent Crucifixion. He was God, and suffered incomparably. As the suffering itself is shared by God Himself, it cannot idly parsed out.
>To think anyone will view you as a martyr these days is laughable as well, no Christians in the west want people suffering and dying, how ridiculous.
People to not suffer in the west? Morn? Get sick? Old? Feel slighted by fortune? What are you talking about? Do you think no christian in the west views burdens through the perspective of patience in suffering?
>God is eternal but only recently showed up to show people good and bad, give us his law.
You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You just scoffed that no one could grow up without knowledge of God, and yet are also arguing against the merit of Gods timeline, when the ubiquity of Christianity proves its efficacy.
>Plus, you're just now finally answering my question of people being able to do good without knowledge of a true God and his laws. How a grown adult doesn't see the contradiction is mind boggling.
I've literally said the same thing three times.
>People pick and choose all the time, including yourself undoubtedly.
because many people neglect aspects of theology all people do? Wrong. Plenty of catholics buy into the catechism to the letter.
>I'm sure you don't agree with every pastor and every pope, do you?
They teach the same theology, if not they are heretical.
>Too bad these learned behaviors change by the century and once heroes are now seen as vile scum by the mouth of God on earth.
Shocking that you don't understand papal infallibility. That aside, no. Saints remain saints, after all they are not appointed by men, but God.

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>>84725499
>nihilists
fucking illiterate

>>84724995
he's right, but also cringy

>>84734120
One bad death doesn't "defeat the folly of this slander", nor is it suffering incomparably. It's quite comparable. No one wants to be crucified, but to think that no one on earth has suffered a worse death before or after, for even less reason, is absurd.
>What are you talking about?
You seemed to be harking to the days of old with this martyr talk. I'm sure you're one who calls any sacrifice "martyrdom", as you think any and all actions are God's conscious effort. His CPU must be off the chain.
What I meant was if anything the west no longer wants what you seemingly do. No dying on the street for God, but soup kitchens. No one wants sacrifices for speaking the word of truth in a foreign place.
>both sides of your mouth
Interesting wording, first off. And yes, I stand by that it is impossible to not hear the story at some point, but that is because of mankind, not God himself. And again, it's amazing that people are hearing the same story yet it is losing its efficacy in many places. This ubiquity is losing its power, it's a simple story for simple people asking a deep question only humans bother to ask, and it's not holding up like it used to. Good is good, people see it as absurd to attribute their actions to God when they're the ones making conscious efforts to do what they think is right.
>I've literally said the same thing three times
Well, but no, so.
>because many people neglect aspects of theology all people do? Wrong.
Where are these people who live the word of God to the letter? Certainly not in normal working environments or public places. I highly doubt you crack open the bible to settle your day to day life issues, living by each and every perceived code. And of course who is to say which of these sects is right? "Plenty of Catholics", so what? Are they correct now because you said so?
>if not
Plenty of churches teach and preach differently. I grew up episcopalian, I never heard any of the hellfire and brimstone garbage thankfully.

>>84732829
>they weren't worshiping the "right" God, correct? So God let them live in ignorance of his truth... why?
Because man's understanding of God evolves with time. Is that such a hard concept to understand? God isn't actually a guy with a beard you know. God is everything that you can't control, that's what people call God. You might as well be an atheist, but the building you're in now can still collapse due to powers that are outside of your control. Preying to those powers won't change anything, denying those powers won't change shit either. But accepting them is important.

>>84734549
Sounds like God isn't very powerful nor is there a divine plan if it's random acts of chance that can go either way. I agree that accidents can happen at any time and while there will be a logical reason behind how they occurred, there likely isn't a "why". This is different from what the other guy argued, saying everything you're always doing is God, which I think is so ridiculous that at that point God doesn't really have a meaning.
I'm not stupid enough to think I'm changing anyone's religious beliefs with my rants, anon. And I don't think many people believe God is a bearded old man in the clouds. But if you ask me there are many questions about Christan beliefs that when asked you're either told it's "just God" or ignored completely and that's what is happening here.
Basically we're all having fun here because nothing will change thanks to a /tv/ discussion. But I agree more with Rust than a preacher.

>>84734452
>One bad death doesn't "defeat the folly of this slander",
It does, again, because it removes the notion that God exists in an ivory tower removed from suffering which is dolled out for giggles. He suffered though the person of Christ, and apparently along with us at every point during our own sorrow.
>nor is it suffering incomparably.
Theologically, it is. For one, though the hypostatic union, this suffering saturates all time though its union with Christ's divinity. The cross contains all sins, and Christ suffers for each accordingly.
>for even less reason
sinlessness nature argues otherwise. Divine nature even more so.
> it is losing its efficacy in many places.
the utilitarian aspect of christianity is incidental to its veracity.
>Good is good, people see it as absurd to attribute their actions to God when they're the ones making conscious efforts to do what they think is right.
free will is part of, at least, orthodox christianity.
>Well, but no, so.
yup, I did.
>Where are these people who live the word of God to the letter? Certainly not in normal working environments or public places. I highly doubt you crack open the bible to settle your day to day life issues, living by each and every perceived code. And of course who is to say which of these sects is right? "Plenty of Catholics", so what? Are they correct now because you said so?
that wasn't what we were discussing. The argument was whether or not people believe the whole of catholic teaching, not whether or not they live it unerringly. Plenty of people do, but fail. This is part of the process. Hence confession.
>Are they correct now because you said so?
no. They are correct because their theology is.
>Plenty of churches teach and preach differently.
ones individual style is not the same as theology.

>>84733951
This, what a fucking shit post
>Live.
lmao

>>84727708
>we might blow ourselves up and another species develops from the ashes.
That species is going to have fun trying to progress into the industrial age with all the easily accessed fossil fuels used up.

>>84724995
>I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution.
Blindsight hits this idea pretty heavily, and "consciousness is a mistake" doesn't logically lead to "we should commit species suicide."

>>84732505
> One's philosophy is based on one's life and decisions
> The pseudo philosophical musings of rust are exactly that, pseudo-philosophical.

>Guys live in an empty flat
>Slowly destroying his ego by meditation
>His only belongings are .books and a futon
>His will to live has been crushed by the death of her daughter
> Has been for years undercover probably saw shit you would get nightmare of
> Heavy usage of drugs he has pushed the boundaries of consciousness
This philosophy ain't pseudophilosophical because you said so faggot
It draws from a bunch of established philosophy and it's a totally viable theory on life.
It may seem it came from a teenager in a rebellious phase but that doesn't change anything never the less and let the man be rebellious he lost his daugther for god sake
So don't talk shit

>>84735090
>Muh we used up all natural resources
Kys fagget

>>84735320
>this passes as conversation in 2017
Rust was right

notice there aren't many black people that are nihilists? At least portrayed in movies and mainstream media.

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>>84724995
this is retarded on every level. i bet tv will love it. like those retarded talks in jurassic park

>>84727631
>too smart to muse in the shower

>>84737202
>this is retarded on every level

why?

You can question your own existence and do other norm stuff like get laid.Balance is key.I think that our only real purpose is to utilize our conscious and technology to colonize space and spread life to other planets.It is good for man to have a higher purpose in life.Even if life is what you make it,lets live the dream and make it as better as we can.Life on earth has been through many challenges from its very beginning and it would be a shame if It stopped there.We are part of all this and life has suffered to produce us..It is true,we have made many mistakes,but part of growing is learning from the and moving forward.We are the ambassadors of our planet even if we like it or not.We have the power to do great evil and great good.Our wars we did among each other boosted our technological progress and we can now reach space.Space is the final frontier.Lets do what we were truly born for and conquer it and make it a happier place for all of life.Not just give up like some fucking losers.We cannot go forward without imagination and healthy idealism.I believe maybe there is a higher purpose for all of this that as a primitive species we cannot understand and appreciate.Lets move on and find it out in the end.

>>84737042
Notice how they don't kill themselves too

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>>84729597
he is such a fucking philosophy babby it is not even funny

pic rel would have put him straight in like ten seconds flat

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>>84727867
Sure kid. Totally.

>>84729597
>he is such a fucking philosophy babby it is not even funny
That's partially the point.
By the end his nihilism is dead and he becomes more of an optimist/spiritualist.

>>84727867
We have found many species of animals that live deep in the ocean floor that can regenerate their bodies and cheat biological death.Other possible discoveries like that in the future can help us ease our aging process and maybe even cheat biological death due to aging.Sometimes the biggest discoveries are right next to us.For example one of the greatest of them all was fire,which helped us form the earliest forms of civilization.

>>84730939
That's a repulsive reddit-tier, bitch philosophy.
At least have some fucking spine and bite to your shit.

>>84724995
>programmed with total assurance we are each somebody, when in fact everybodys noboby

wat

>>84727273
An advanced race of humanity sounds boring AF desu senpai.

>>84737811
we think we are unique when we arent

>>84734427
anitalists are the most cringy

>>84731895
You're such a fucking unthinking, euphoric redditor fucking hell.

Their point is that your ethics lacks any substantial philosophical underpinning without God.
That you don't have any basis on which to decry some actions and endorse others.

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>>84737928
yea but they're right, to be fair

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>>84732096
Good post.

>>84737930
>Their point is that your ethics lacks any substantial philosophical underpinning without God.
stupid point

ethics as a concept never existed before religion?

>>84737650
why did they make those cameras so janky and hard to use?

>>84737989
And? It's such basic shit, yet they act like they have it all figured out

>>84737991
>ethics as a concept never existed before religion?
That's not at all what their point is, but no, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.
Secular morality is probably fairly new.

>>84737928
They're not. Anti-natalists atleast have some ideological consistency and show willingness to arrive at controversial/uncomfortable conclusions.

The most cringey are redditor, secular-humanists.

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>he still thinks consciousness separates man from ape

just LOL at these people. consciousness is as much of a separator from apes as our ability to put our socks on in the morning.

CONSCIOUSNESS IS INCONSEQUENTIAL
CONSCIOUSNESS IS YET ANOTHER INSIGNIFICANT BLIP IN EVOLUTION
YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL FOR ATTAINING THE ABILITY TO "THINK CRITICALLY"

HUMANITY IS BUT A MERE SPEC IN THE MOLD ON A ROCK IN YOUR BACKYARD

INCASE YOU FAGGOTS FORGOT YOU ALL SENSE >10% OF REALITY

YOU WILL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DEVELOP THE ATTRIBUTES NECESSARY FOR EXTRAVC SENSATION

>>84738220
Only idiots haven't pierced the limits of perceivable reality

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>>84738087
If it's so basic why does humanity still exist, moron?

>>84739240
>Schopenhauer
>insist that genius is a childlike understanding of the world
>insist that women are mentally children

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>>84739270
>changing the subject instead of answering
woman detected

Take the Schopenhauer pill on women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDQVLuBbiw

>>84738220
Yeah, but we'll develop robots who will. That's the thing. We're not saving the universe any time soon, but the things we create will much further than us.

>>84739270
>>84739299
>>84739355
This explains why they refuse to date me, I'm just too smart and interesting for them. Red-pilled as fuck bros

>>84739413
Did you listen to the video? Can you dispute what he said rather than just shitpost and derail discussion?

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>>84739413
every time

Thoughts like these flood my mind constantly, I think because of a few bad experiences with weed and shooms. It's an awful feeling I can't shake off and has given be intense derealisation. I feel like nothing makes sense anymore simply because I can't take anything for granted. Even films seem retarded since my mind involuntarily deconstructs it to its pointless constituent parts. I feel lonely because I don't see people anymore, just matter.

>>84727794
>this triggers the rogan