How the fuck did this idiot succeed Johnny? No charisma, no personability,

>>84692222
>No charisma, no personability, shit monologues.
I agree, but ratings say otherwise.
Who cares? You didn't have to watch it.

>>84692222
Guy had a real appreciation for technology prowess.

Guys owns a working, worthy steam engine. that was an significant aid economically from the powers that be in Europe.

>>84692222

OJ Simpson jokes.

No, seriously. His ENTIRE shtick during the 90s was "Dude, OJ LMAO" even before the murder.

>>84692222
C H E C C

My uncle used to trade cars with him

>>84692222
You know how when you watch old Carsons, half of him seems savvy like Letterman, and half of him seems really conservative and cornball? Well, most of America was watching for the latter aspect, not the former. Hence Leno. And Letterman himself lost a lot of edge when he went to CBS to occupy the Carson equivalent spot.

Jay Leno never spent his Tonight Show salary, but lived entirely off what he earned as a stand-up. That lifestyle was affordable off of what he made from people *paying* to hear him tell jokes. Once you know that, no wasted promise or unfairly marginalized work in the history of American pop culture is a mystery. America is a country that will pay Leno.

>>84692222
he's pretty funny but his tonight show tenure was okay at best

>>84692222
His face reflects light well. NBC figured out that this would save them about $300 in lighting over the course of his career compared to Letterman so it was an easy choice.

big fat suckable dick

>>84692222
I'm not the biggest Leno fan, but he had a ton of charisma and personality at the time. Jay was literally the perfect light night guest before Tom Hanks came around, and he had killed it several times filling in for Carson before they gave him the reigns. What a waste of quads.

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>>84692547
mfw
>>84692608
why do you say "before Tom Hanks came around" is there a turning point in Leno's career around then?

>>84692222
Reminder Johnny wanted Letterman to have his show but the execs chose Leno instead because they're assholes and supposedly Carson had a long feud with them in the 80s

>>84692608
>ton of charisma

Hi Jay

I understand what he was givin' chin enemas down at the local hospital....

>>84692222
hes incredibly clean. like those quads.

dave was dirty with sexual harrassment in the workplace, illegitimate kids, and a gambling addiction.

&it sure as fuck wasnt gun b arsino son.

>>84692656
To be fair, Carson was a mean son-of-a-bitch, as has gradually been acknowledged, and finally having the opportunity to get rid of the prick's influence, it's understandable that they took it.

>>84692712
>dave was dirty with sexual harrassment in the workplace, illegitimate kids, and a gambling addiction.

Had any of that already happened?

i dunno but i bet its the same guys that thought conan was ready for the big time who then proceeded to reconstruct his show from like 1995.

>>84692744
Letterman's gambling addiction has been on and off for decades
Open secret and all that

What the majority of people want from a late night host is that they are warm and non threatening. This is why Jimmy Fallon is still around. While Letterman's shtick was a bit edgier, it rubs the older people the wrong way, and they're the biggest audience for late night.

He was pretty funny during the early-mid 90's but then jaywalking became really popular and so he put little effort into the show. The writers strike force him to write his own jokes and that actually resulted in his best work in years.

>>84692764
Fuck off

I never really liked Leno, but he's a thousand times better than the brainwashing liberal garbage that is late night TV now


Craig was the best. He got out of the game just in time

>>84692222
Well at least hes better than that ginger faggot Conan

>>84693085
>he's a thousand times better than the brainwashing liberal garbage that is late night TV now

Real talk.

>>84693135
I didn't know NBC execs posted on /tv/

>>84692714
Leno was a prick too. All of them were.

>>84693215
>>84692714
You have to a be a mean prick to rise to the top like that. It's a doggy dog world.

>>84692536
I don't know much about Leno's standup after he got the Tonight Show, but many comedians will tell you that early on he was a very highly regarded stand-up.

>>84693147
Fuck Team Coco. Jay was a cool guy who never wanted to leave his late night show in the first place. NBC forced him out to make way for Team Coco. Coco failed hard because Team Coco hipsters didn't tune in. Jay was offered the job he never wanted to stop doing in the first place. Coco refused to go back to following Jay's show because he has a chip on his shoulder, and Jay is the bad guy?

Fuck that, Fuck Jimmy Kimmel, and FUCK HOWARD STERN!
Jay may not have always been funny, but he was a nice guy.

>>84692222
I agree. I was just watching a lot of his Jay Leno's Garage vids on YouTube and he was annoying as fuck. Had no idea what he was talking about when it came to celebrities and culture, he wasn't remotely funny, and random no-name car builders were more likable than he was. Joe Rogan and his mechanic were way more entertaining and funny in the episode they were featured in.

It pissed me off seeing his multi-million dollar garage and being reminded that he "earned" all that by being an unfunny borderline retard.

None of the information in this thread is correct

>>84693350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1-GtUCKd34

Go to bed Jay.

>>84693350
>nice guy
he literally didn't give a shit about anyone who ever came on his show. he's admitted this plenty of times.

>>84692222
>No charisma, no personability, shit monologues.
That's what the audience that show is directed at wanted. No drama, no controversy, just nice plain old Jay, every night. Letterman was the edgy one the kids stayed up for - your mom and dad liked Jay.

>>84692375
Lets be honest - he has working steam engines, because he has some talented mechanics on a payroll.

>>84692536
The money he lived off was not stand up comic money. Most of the money was corporate gigs. Our company hired him for an event, and he wasn't cheap. I think it was 25K, and that was over a decade ago. He did very little work outside of corporate gigs, after he started doing the Tonight Show.

>>84692222

I liked him more than Letterman.

Anyone remember Arsinio Hall? We need a black talk show host like that again. Fuck these shits like Trevor Noah. Who's idea was it to have somebody from South Africa, which is a total shithole: talk shit about America?

>>84692377

The guy was using writers rather than his own material. The reality of the matter is that job is brutal. Every single one of them look tired as fuck in spite of having all the makeup specialists and every medical option available in the world.

>>84693479
Letterman was so based; I miss that grumpy old man

>>84692222
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXeVMi-wMeE

>>84692377
He was telling OJ jokes till the very end. Lewinsky jokes too. Dude was a hack.

Current late night makes Leno look like some sort of genius

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>>84693861
Trevor Noah was a literally who until he was announced to be the Daily Show head, and even that decision got confused looks from SJW's. The fuck was Comedy Central thinking? They had a ratings powerhouse and then they shit the bed in one fell swoop.

>>84693931
I started watching letterman from day one. I used have bad insomnia in high school, and I'd watch the show that was on before him, Tomorrow with Tom Snyder (who had incredibly good live music, like the Ramones, The Cars, a whole bunch of bands). The early days Letterman was incredible - he'd have pee wee on and just let him go for an hour. He was a lot more relaxed and funny then. I watched him religiously until he moved to the new slot on CBS, and it just wasn't the same.

>>84693085
>>84693143
Wahh, late night comedians have been making fun of politicians since the dawn up man but now that I'm a faggot bootlicker I want them to stop! Call the police!

Fuck off to /pol/, faggot.

>>84692222
Mob connections.

>>84694135
Honestly this. He even talked about doing stand up for some mob don once that was such an unhinged psycho he would make Tony Soprano seem reasonable.

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>>84694070
Except Colbert for instance, genuinely has an agenda that he pushes.

Remember when the vault 7 papers were leaked by wikileaks and suddenly the public found that the CIA could spy on them through Smart TV's and the like?

No need to worry! Who does Colbert have on his show the following week to calm the nation? None other than former director of the CIA and NSA, Michael Hayden! I sure know he has our best interests at heart.

Stop being so naive.

>>84694059
This. I was between gigs for 18 months back then, and watched every episode I could. my friends and I would be at the bar, jump into someone's car, get to someone's apartment, and watch Letterman.

Brother Theodore "David- when she came to me, and I assure you, she came to me- I BIT HER EAR OFF!"

>>84694296
If comedians making fun of the president bothers you so much, don't elect fat retarded clown next time.

>>84692222

This is the same country that elected Trump (and the only country that would ever do that)

>>84692222
Still better than Letterman

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>>84692582

>>84692222
He's better than anything on right now, also how did he not have any charisma?

>>84694349
Oh, you're trolling. Ebin my dude xD

>>84693991

This.

Holy shit, where were they thinking with the successors? Jimmy Fallon? Go fuck yourself.

I want top-tier stand-up comedians to be late night hosts. The problem is, the best ones are too smart to take the job.

>>84692222
Better than Conan and Colbert by over 6 million miles.

>>84694425
Oh, you're triggered by the mildest criticism.

>>84694444

*what

>>84694425
>trolling
Name a president more deserving of ridicule?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaH-Cb70SEw

The faggot is literally a clown.

>>84694349
But we didn't elect Hillary.

>>84694478
Maybe you should've.

>>84692222

Because he showed the fuck up.

Eighty percent of success is showing up.

>>84692222
There's a lesson in observing Leno age compared to Letterman and Howard Stern. It's weird but with the latter, they've curdled into these PC New Yorkers, full of themselves. Letterman is hanging with Alex Soros, he's like an old bitter Colbert. I hated Leno, hated his neocon bullshit during Bush, but I've watched 100+ of his Garage videos, and you gleam how his mind works. That's who he always was, he didn't need network spotlight. Letterman did.

Would have been comfy to see Leno in the Trump years, though. He represented an America that was a big couch, now it's some postmodern sofa with two hipster fags making out as mom approvingly watches. Wish I had 250 muscle cars to see the sunset in. His Pat Morita buddy cop movie is a must watch, so stupid.

>>84694501
Trump and Hillary work for the same people and are related to one another. We were fucked either way.

I grew up watching this regularly for around the first ~10-14 years of my life. I don't quite remember when I finally stopped watching. I enjoyed the monologues and the little whatevers that came after, like Headlines, or showing off 99c toys, and so on. I thought it was creative and amusing.

One such toy was a thing to put on the top of a Christmas tree but in stead of a star, it was a little paper cutout of Whitney Houston's face with a small table platform thing where she could 'snort' 'crack' (white confetti-ish material) like it was a snow effect. Then again that was a less-censored time of society. Also, of course, these are opinions made when I was very young.

>>84694448
>>84694470
Where did I mention Trump in my earlier post? I assumed you were trolling because of how unintelligent your post was.

Makes me sad to know you're serious.

>>84694562
At least with Hillary you wouldn't have alt-right pussies whining about mean comedians telling jokes.

>>84694576
/tv/ is full of deranged pseudointellectual liberals that call anyone that disagrees with them /pol/ and Trump supporters

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>>84694550
>Americans are so fat they liken their entire country to a big couch

Sad!

>>84694624
Colbert tell mean joke about daddy make me so mad. Fuck the first amendment and shit.

>>84694617
Liberals whine all the time so it doesn't matter to me either way.

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>>84693545

>Jay doesn't care about the filthy rich celebs who use his show to plug their new projects

Rich celebs like Tom Cruise and Angelina Jolie only go on Jays show because they've done a new film, and the Studio forces them to whore themselves by hopping around from late night show to light night show to plug the film. They don't go on Jays show because they actually give a shit about Jay Sooooo Why should Jay give a shit about them again ?

Jays a professional, and he has always been a class act.
>image very related.

>>84694654
See I don't even support Trump but this guy is clearly butthurt lol

>>84694662
That's what I hear but that's not what I see. Show me a thread on /tv/ where liberals are whining about comedians telling jokes. I see conservative whining every goddamn day.

i like jay

>>84694296

>a former CIA director on a late night talk show

Johnny Carson would be pissed. He always wanted to show his guests a good time. You're not Larry King you fucking cunt.

>>84694680
>imitate typical trump supporter
>"clearly butthurt"
See, this guy gets it. Every knows Trumpkins are low test betas.

>>84694699
Liberals whine about conservatives all the time just not about jokes. I can go to any liberal newspaper and point out liberal asshurt, I can show pictures of liberals fucking crying when Trump won the election. The fact is although I hate both sides, liberals definitely whine more.

>>84694742
Cry more fag

>>84694752
Yet they're not coming to /tv/ and shitting on every single thread with offtopic bullshit, are they? Makes you think.

>>84694781
You ok?

>>84694070
They used to make fun of all sides, now they're not even making fun of anyone. They're literally pushing an agenda now, you dumbass member of the ostrich brigade.

>>84694808
Hello underage.

>>84694651
It's your bedtime, but enjoy those Fallon clips with your tofu lunch manana, Max Landisberg.

>>84694786
4chan is majority right wing. Go to YouTube and you'll see plenty of off topic posts about Trump on almost every video. Really activates the almonds

>>84694799
Your mom is ok

>>84694822
I'm 31
I'm sure you're 18.

Childhood is being a liberal
Adulthood is growing out of that, you fucking ostrich

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>>84692222
Leno's soft right politics and corporate lap dog personality were very attractive to the right wing drift the Military Industrial defense contractor General Electric (GE) wanted to see reflected in its new branch, NBC.

And it wanted its flagship show to more reflect the personal and political interests of CEO Jack Welch and the owner/investors in general, which was newly enabled by a Georgia Republican Federal Judge ruling the Fairness Doctrine as illegal, destroying the basis to control and regulate the content, use or ownership of the Public Airwaves.


I still remember the mid 1980s when NBC would actually have reports on the state of Poverty in America, and the night Tom Brokaw explained that unregulated medicine in the USA resulted in people being charged hundreds of dollars for a medicine, when the SAME medicine with a different name was marketed to VETERINARIANS for $3.00 a dose.
in b4 /pol

>>84694824
Complain about them there then. The alt right cucks are the ones causing problems here.

>>84694857
>assuming I'm a liberal
You're exposing yourself again underage.

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>>84692222
Tfw you'll never rent this then return it without rewinding cuz it was just as bad as Dad warned

>>84694857

You're not going to win an argument with somebody who's thrown down the gauntlet by psychologically projecting. I don't disagree with you in the least but you're not getting anywhere with somebody who makes juvenile accusations rather than attempting to oppose what you've said.

>>84694888
You've only been allowed to post on this site for half a year. I said 31, not 13

He was legitimately funny in the '80s.

Fuck it - he's still funny. It's just that the format of his show became stale after many years.

Also, he had a RUTHLESS agent. Watch or read The Late Shift some time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZ3BDrdLtE

>>84694824
> 4chan is majority right wing.
HAHAHA why do you think we have a containment board for your kind. So we can delete all your shitty, whiny "wahhh colbert" and "wahhh CNN" posts and get on with the kind of rational discussion that only left wingers are capable of.

>>84693406
especially Letterman having illegitimate kids

>>84694864
I literally called them out here too you mong . You just couldn't handle anyone calling Hillary as bad as Trump

>b-but if Hillary won things would be different

>>84694947
I'm not even right wing you autist. You're all irrational idiots as you've proven by assuming im right wing when I'm not.

has no one seen the hbo movie about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ8bo5lt6G8

>>84694947
Go back to le ddit
That's where you belong.
4chan has always been a conservative site

>>84694955
You're berating anyone for even suggesting that off topic /pol/ shitters are a problem. You've done nothing to call out both sides.
>You just couldn't handle anyone calling Hillary as bad as Trump
Awwww, the little Trump cuck is painting anyone that disagrees as the other tribe now. Your feelings must be hurt.

>>84694992
>4chan has always been a conservative site
That fresh newfag smell!

>>84694992
Then why do you get your ass kicked every. single. time you stray from your polluted hugbox? Nobody here likes you.

Jay Leno rated well when he was a guest host for The Tonight Show. NBC wanted Jay at 10:30pm so they could keep Dave at 12:30am and dominate late night. I can totally understand why NBC fucked Dave over.

>>84695026

Derp, Dave at 11:30pm.

>>84695020
Been here since August 2006, faggot. Go back to le website

>>84694989
The guy they got to play Leno was terrible. He doesn't even look that much like Jay, it makes no sense. At least the guy they got for Letterman somewhat looked the part and had a decent impersonation of him.

>>84695002
No I'm berating you for suggesting that I'm a conservative because I called Hillary as bad as Trump. Like I said from the get go Trump and Hillary are both related to each other and serve the same people and both liberals and conservatives are useful idiot playing into the whole left vs right bullshit.

TL;DR You're Retarded

>>84695087
>No I'm berating you for suggesting that I'm a conservative
Meanwhile, you suggest anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal. You were the one that started the charade. Own it nigger.

>>84695087
I'm the one you told Hillary is as bad as Trump and I never disagreed. All I said is that if Hillary won /tv/ wouldn't be polluted with butthurt Trumptags whining about CNN and Colbert all day long.

>>84695142
Never did I say that anyone that disagrees with me is a liberal. Stop posting at any time retard.

>>84695151
No the Trumpfags would be whining about Hillary being President though.

>>84695202
Probably not on /tv/ though.

>>84695151

Personally, I thought Hillary was worse than Trump. What annoyed me the most was how seriously people took Trump getting elected. They had no idea apparently how insignificant it was.

Or how in reality, how insignificant a president is in the convoluted "democracy" of the American government. People who think it is what it is at face value are absolute fools.

>>84692222
He's an icon, and he's passionate. Even if his jokes were never the best, he told what he wanted to tell, and when he stopped feeling it, he fucked off and when to some buttfuck noname network and has a show where he just gushes about his hobby.

Unlike letterman who turned into a zombie, and Conan who sold out for the lowest common denominator, Leno enjoyed doing what he did and it showed.

Plus, he had a good timeslot

>>84695224
What's funny is /pol/ supposedly hates Zionism but Trump is zionist goy #1 and his kids are married into it.

>>84695224
>how insignificant a president is in the convoluted "democracy" of the American government.
It's not so insignificant when it comes to international policy, and considering America's place in the world, it's kind of a big deal.

>>84695294

That we might risk being more isolationist?

It's been tried before and I'm not completely against it. In point of fact, I'm actually curious as to how it might be a benefit or a detriment. People pretend like they can predict that as if they're an astrologist or something.You won't know until you've tried it.

Don't repeat the bad things in history well....history never saw this coming.

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>>84694992
No it hasn't, I've been here since damn near the beginning. 4chan has always fluctuated politically. It's always been anarchic leaning, but during Bush Jr it was largely left leaning, it took a while for it to switch rightwing during Obama's stint, and now that another 'conservative' is in charge it will begin to shift left again. Because 4chan is contrarian, it is the internet hate machine. It is where people come to vent and rage and call each other faggots for liking different things. The only consistency within 4chan has been that dogs are our best friends forever

>>84695285
They just accept whatever they're brainwashed to accept. They're not rational enough identify contradictions in their programming.

>>84695365
>That we might risk being more isolationist?
Yes. In Asia in particular, this could have far reaching effects, not likely in a positive way for the US either. You can't just sit at the top of a hegemony and then step back and expect to reap all the old benefits of that.

>>84695383
To be fair, The new conservatism is the same as classic liberalism.

>>84695387
Majority of /pol/ are braindead lemmings that can't think outside their echochamber but the exact same can be said for normies and Colbert's audience. At least /pol/tards, as bad as they are, aren't lapping up state-sanctioned propaganda.

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>>84695383
post cute dogs /k/omrade

>>84695465
This left vs right BS is tiresome. As you can see anyone that threatens the international bank cartel gets dealt with no matter who is President. Syria would be bombed either way.

>>84695453

In the past, the US and the UK decided to become legitimate merchants rather than raiders. It simply made more sense. Now we're exceptionally good at it.

We're also now, the undisputed masters of war. You might disagree but I would ask you, what country would enjoy a US occupation? It's basically like having terminators around you, everywhere. In spite of supporting the US military wholly, I will say 100% that you cannot win the "hearts and minds" of a people by doing that, The idea that you could is insane.

>>84695465
> aren't lapping up state-sanctioned propaganda.
The president they've developed a cult of personality around doesn't isn't the state?

>>84695554
Just...
Just go back please

>>84695554
I would make the argument that, although the Trump administration is in government, the (for lack of a better term) "deep state" which dictate the media talking points etc, are very much at odds with the aforementioned administration.

>>84695539
>You might disagree but I would ask you, what country would enjoy a US occupation?
Why would you ask that to begin with? That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. America becoming isolationist means sacrificing influence over other nations in Asia and elsewhere.

>>84695647

Isolationism, originally was a movement against immigrants, I mean, you might be an American or somebody elsewhere, but at some rate I don't expect you to know the history. Isolationism originally, was withdrawing our military from other nations, attempting to get a better value from our currency and creating commerce with other nations. Then the European fuckfaces dragged us into WW1 Granted, a lot of us went to Canada to enlist because they had killed our relatives in Europe.

>>84692222
>No charisma, no personability

Did you mean to post a picture of yourself?

>>84695383
But I like cats

1. Ferguson
2. pre TBS Conan
3. Carson
4. Letterman
5. Pre election Seth
6. Post TBS Conan
7. Leno
8. the rest

>>84695647

Well, outside of several that are important, why bother with the others? We've already created the 1st, or the 2nd best intelligence agency ever. Keep that organized and running. Then fuck the rolling donut that is the others.

If you need military influence to maintain your intelligence network, your intelligence network sucks.

>Norm didn't take Craig or Dave's place

WTF?

Leno was a kiss ass who would follow NBC's orders, Letterman was his own man and unpredictable.

>>84696246
Was there ever any serious consideration for Norm taking a spot at CBS?
I think Norm would be too much for the typical late night audience.

>>84696405
I don't know. But Norm was Daves final guest. And The Sports Show was the funniest thing I've seen on tv since like... season 11 of south park.

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>>84696440
I don't know why I said South Park. Pic related is the funniest show
>i own that shirt

>>84692222
Leno has very quick wit. He just didnt bother being funny talking to American Faggot #93001. Just ask them about their funny story, their new tv show, how the wife or husband is, then get paid.

fuck you jay was great

>>84696535

I'm an American, and I know exactly what he did. It's a common practice to hate people who have money for no fucking reason. It's the most retarded thing ever. Rather than trying to figure out how to make that money, it's a retard game practice of figuring out how to hate the guy and make more money than he has. Why? because he exists. it's insanely counter-productive. Why make more money than him proiducing artisane shotguns when you can be a complete prick and complain about everything?

He live streamed the cucking of Kevin smith

>>84692222

His monologues got a lot better during the writer's strike when he had to use his own material.

>>84697167
I think youre saying people have crab bucket mentality

>>84694018
the local high school has his new book on their summer reading list

>>84692222
Dude was mildly entertaining and didn't make half the country butthurt.

>>84693288

I've heard this from several comedians I actually enjoy and respect, so I watched several of his major pre-Show standups and did not find any of it even slightly funny, original, charismatic or "powerhouse"-like. A lot of guys mention this huge, amazing stage presence, and I got none of that. I wonder how much growing up with his obnoxious TV presence affects things like that, though.

>>84692222

Jay Leno did nothing wrong desu

His chin knew some people

>>84699459
Kek

>>84692222
if you ever want to hear someone perfectly explain jay leno, refer to howard stern

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiOWxMmBTs

>>84699459
>>84699555
>>84699846
Samefag

>>84699459
Underrated

>>84695383
You just outed yourself. 4chan was 100% a cat (and to some extent anti-dog) site until long after the normalfags had stolen the cat meme pics.

>>84700059
This

>>84699459
Haha fuck i spat my milk all over my iphone

>>84693745
That restores my faith in American taste - he was following the Bob Hope model, then, being the "everyone likes this guy, right?" choice of stolid executive culture.

>>84694018
Noah was pushed for by Stewart for the traditional power broker reason that you don't want the guy who follows you to be anywhere near as good as you. See also Alex Ferguson's choice of successor as manager of Man Utd.

>>84694359
Not really relevant, Leno is the milquetoast pick, Trump is the Letterman-tier groundbreaker. Every week he does something that puts everyone in their place - except for the ordinary American people. He is as big a populist revolution for conservatives as Obama was for liberals, and as in his case, many can't handle it. I say this as someone who admires Obama and Trump equally. When you're on the real left, rather than the approved neoliberal official opposition "left", the difference between them is one of degree. America will never accept socialism, so it may as well get the protectionist measures it needs from Trump.

>>84694414
How did he not? You didn't notice that he never stopped looking shifty and uncomfortable in front of the camera despite having been in the spotlight for decades? You didn't notice that his jokes are Nixon-tier, and would have been delivered better by Nixon? You didn't notice that he has a voice like a fly trapped in a lampshade, begging your ears to tune it out?

>>84694664
This is it. The other day I was watching some old Carsons, and he would have people on who weren't promoting anything, just for their conversation. Sometimes they even had new work they could have plugged, but they never got around to it - the promotional strategy was a lot more viral, keeping them in the public mind so that they were engaged before any hard sell happened, and it would never be done in the middle of a conversation the way it is now.

Even in the early nineties, the single-minded plugging of recent practice would have been regarded as a bad move, liable to turn the audience off. Now, the only conversations you hear on late night are scripted to the nth degree with wacky parlor game segments derived from Japanese TV in a bid to remind people on Twitter that broadcast television exists. When you look at Corden's show you realize how much sheer crap Ferguson was keeping out of his show in the last years by force of will, and you admire him all the more. The last great late night host, and of course, he doesn't do it anymore - he's gone to satellite radio where he can have conversations. Late night is kill.

>>84694947
HAHAHA why do you think we don't stay in the containment board, and you can't have a conversation on 4chan about any kind of culture without us appearing and outnumbering you ten-to-one?

>>84694901
>return it without rewinding

I would never let a movie degrade... my honor.

>>84692222
He's actually pretty funny. All the comedians wanted to be him.

>>84695026
And Dave has never been good since he left that slot. Which may be another reason that Ferguson didn't try to compete anywhere else - he knows he's a late late guy.

>>84692377
>"Dude, OJ LMAO"

at least norm did it funny

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>>84700877
you'll forget about all this nonsense when you get a little older and start getting interested in girls

>>84700877
I remember the time when "leejun" shit was said ironically

>>84695062
>He doesn't even look that much like Jay, it makes no sense.

To be fair to them, John Merrick is dead.

>>84700902
>He's actually pretty funny.
he's not

>All the comedians wanted to be him.
yeah, back when he was an edgy stand-up act. that was fucking ages ago, he changed completely. that's extraordinarily well known in the comedy world

>>84700967
The question was how did he succeed Johnny. That's why.

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>>84692377
So... OJ Simpson...

*audience goes wild*

>>84693288
leno still did standup during the tonight show years. he often did unannounced gigs at smaller/hole-in-the-wall places so that way people ended up seeing him for dirt cheap, and i'd guess that he felt like he was still "keeping it real" doing comedy in smaller places as opposed to big expensive places, like it gave him "stand up cred" or something.

so that aspect of jay = i'll always give him that. his stand up might not necessarily be for me [post-tonight-show anyways] but at least he did what he loved and (at least) convinced the public he wasn't 100% out for money after he got a bunch of it, cuz lord knows his standup stuff once he was doing the tonight show wasn't for the money.

>>84696246
Norm is a dilatory pill-head and gambling addict who likes to tell strings of deliberately bad jokes to see how far he can push the audience before winning them back, personally and artistically he's not someone you can build a network late night show around. I mean, he wanted to be on the early morning mainly because he probably wouldn't reliably be in shape to record a daily show until like 2am, his look changes alarmingly and he appears to have drug-induced aphasia. No way.

>>84697167
It's a far more common practice to think that sucking up to and imitating the rich guy will bring you his success. Jay Leno is an incredibly vanilla guy, like a deformed Bob Hope.

>>84697478
All of late night improved when the writers' strike happened. Conan's writers' strike shows are the best things he ever did in the medium. The writers' strike began the demise of hack TV, hilariously.

>>84696025
>Pre election Seth

Nah.

>>84699049
American stand-ups will admire and overpraise anyone who gets paid well and never hurt them personally. The nature of the country means that the aspiration of all American comedians is to be a well-paid hack. Norm's memoir basically supports the idea that his entire life was an irrelevant build-up or come-down from SNL, a show which, as the anniversary special showed, has produced less than an hour of passably funny material in its 40-year history. His genius live and on any show where he gets to do his own thing is irrelevant because he never "made it big", which in America usually means "ceasing to be a stand-up". You go to prestige cable, do movies or host - stand-up itself is not respected. Norm knew he could only sell his book by pandering to the asinine audience for Lorne Michaels mythology, so went for it.

>>84700951
Not talking about legion shit, talking about demographics. The people here are conservative. If you come here to say a liberal thing, it's assumed that you're b8ing.

>>84701045

Late night shows aren't live you know. They're pretaped in the afternoon.

>>84700935
What nonsense? You mean 4chan itself? 4chan is conservative. It's not some swarm of butthurt kids, it's just that you are walking into a conservative forum and saying liberal stuff, we don't even need to get mad to drown you out. You're the ones who have a fucking discord to coordinate "raids", we're just the people who post on 4chan. We're the norm, you're the exception.

>>84700999
See this: >>84692536

>>84701385
I said "record" right there in the fucking post. Norm wanted a breakfast slot, and the point is that the turnaround on late night episodes means that that would allow him to record in the dead of night.

>>84701284
This. Norm's favorite comedians are Bob Hope and Bill Cosby.

>>84692222
I always enjoyed him