If season 9 was the first season when The Simpsons were beginning

>>84592926
bump

>>84592926
I agree. This episode specifically was the nail in the coffin.

>>84592926
Principal and the Pauper

Some guy made a vid said that this was the beginning of the end for the series. where they just stopped caring about the audience.

>>84592926
Whenever I watch it I stop at the season 11 finale, Behind the Laughter serves as a good finale

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Homer appears to be a ballsack.

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>>84594217
Basically this. The show died with Maude.
The movie was a nice little farewell, and it was the very last time I ever watched the Simpsons.
In my mind, the show is already over. I've accepted it.
Everything past that point never happened.

>>84592926
Will fox let it die someday?

>>84594936
I remember reading somewhere that Fox has either complete control or the rights to do whatever they want with it until 2060

>>84594973
Well it will be other 43 years of the simpson episode of whatever trending twitter appears that week

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since the simpsons is probably never gonna die, do you guys ever think it will be good again?

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>>84594397
>Some guy made a vid said that this was the beginning of the end for the series. where they just stopped caring about the audience

Well it must be true if some guy said it in a video.

>>84594936
The Simpsons
>Ending

It'll finally get canceled on a whim when Fox decides it's not making them enough money. Then the writers will try to write up some half-assed ending and rush it out.

The final episode will be an hour long, and it'll be full of outrageous shit. Marge will be cuckolding Homer with every single celebrity guest that's ever been on the show (Even the dead ones), with the entire episode just being Marge getting fucked one by one while Homer just sits in the corner, crying as he jerks off and eats a sandwich.

The B-plot will be Lisa becoming transgender, then kicking Bart in the balls nonstop. No cutaways or anything, it's literally just Lester (FtM Lisa) kicking Bart in the balls while screaming about he needs to check his cis white male privilege. Every single person in Springfield will take her side, especially the celebrity guests who are fucking Marge.

It ends with the Simpsons insulting its viewers for being such fucking idiots for continuing to keep them on the air, then they all have an incestuous orgy right in the middle of the living room before vomitting all over each other and slicing their throats. Dr Nick pokes his head in and says "BYE EVERYBODY!", because "LOL REMEMBER WHEN THAT JOKE WAS RELEVANT? XD". Also, he's getting raped by Moe right outside the Simpsons house.

The next 40 minutes are just the writers giving up: videos of them shitting on each other, having a huge orgy while covered in shit, footage of people getting shot in the head, footage of babies being skinned alive and fucked, etc. You name it, they have it all. The final 10 minutes are just Matt Groening high as balls on every drug imaginable, screaming into the camera about how much he hates his life before pulling out a shotgun and blowing his fucking brains out all over the wall. Then it ends, with no credits, context or anything.

It'll end up being so viewed and talked about, that it renews The Simpsons for another 10 seasons.

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>>84595202

>>84594217
>>84594397
which came first?

>>84595486
I was there for the creation of this pasta
don't let it die anon

>>84594877
>the movie was a nice farewell
Haha spiderpig so ebin xxxxD

>>84595752
I'm not that anon, but while the movie was shit, it's still miles better than anything that came after it.

>>84592926
>>84594217
Tale of Two Skinners was the point they went off the rails, any residual laughs were just a byproduct of the love we had for the characters, then when they abandoned the original art for flash garbage there was nothing left to watch it for. all the talent was long gone by then.

i think it is generally understood that what kept the series fresh up until around S10-ish was their rule not to allow a showrunner for longer than a couple seasons at a time. I think other smaller contributing factors were involved as well, like new laws about smoking indoors which drove schwarzwelder out of the writing room and even pushed him to buy an entire bar building just so he could smoke and drink in peace

>>84594936
I thought the plan was to end it at S30.

I feel as though season 13 was the last season of classic Simpsons. Season 15 had some of my favorite episodes of the Simpsons though and the Treehouse of Horror episodes are almost always great. The show truly went to shit a few seasons before the movie came out but it definitely had a silver age from season 10 to about season 16.

That depends what you mean by "kwisis"...

>>84597320
>even pushed him to buy an entire bar building just so he could smoke and drink in peace

I recall reading that he liked to write at a diner, and once they made smoking illegal inside, he bought the booth and had it installed at his place.

>>84594497
This.

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>>84592926
I am considering watching Simpsons. I watched Futurama and I loved it during my teens, but Simpsons somehow missed me.

Seen few random episodes, liked the general humor and characters, which is miles better than shitty family guy and other copycats.

But the first season, while watchable, is way too slow and it fells like driving the first Ford. Solid foundations etc, but its way too ancient if you are used to modern cars.

tl;dr: which seasons are considerd to be golden age of Simpsons so I can watch it?

>>84599044
I would say it's worth watching the first two seasons but season 3 to 8 is generally considered the golden years.
Season 9 has it's moments.
Most of Season 10 and Season 11 are bad and anything beyond there is absolute trash.

>>84599044
I'm a little drunk so you I might be fudging the figures by a season or two but
3-6 are God-tier, 7-8 (or 9) are great, after that it's a slow progression to the terrible mid-teens. After that point I don't even fucking know because it is a zombie franchise now with occasional moments of intelligence

>>84592926
It would have actually been a very touching ending with a simple rewrite if the show ended on the death of Maude, how Ned dealt with that, how Homer saw good in Ned and finally the two families got together in happiness. Ofc you can still have Homer do something selfish in the end or rude but in a charmingly aww that Homer kinda way.

People would have thought that was the best show of all time.

>>84597320
>their rule not to allow a showrunner for longer than a couple seasons at a time

What? Also wouldn't that just cause more change?

Rewatching old Simpsons in my late 20s revealed a few things to me. The show was already starting to go bad as early as season 6.

Sam Simon should have never left.

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>>84594936
Doubt. They already have audio splicing technology so advanced that Fox will still continue to churn out episodes by the time Groening's grandchildren's grandchildren are decomposing in their graves.

>>84599044

Season 1 of The Simpsons is max feels. It's an entirely different show - a series that wants to be cinematic rather than a cartoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJGJzrGUDHw

>tfw the Simpsons has been bad for three quarters of it's run time

just kill me senpai

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Reminder that Fox will keep the Simpsons going for another 40 years despite how shit the show could get

Although there have been some recent episodes which are okay. Barthood isn't one of them though, that rushed in to much shit right at the end so it had zero impact.

Advertisers are still willing to pay huge sums to advertise during the Simpsons, but the real money comes from t-shirts, merchandising rights especially in South America and India where the Simpsons is mega popular for some reason.

>>84599792
sad but true. Show was still justifiably good throughout season 8 and had 4 or 5 good ones in season 9

>Hype when movie is announced
>move with dad, whom hates the the Simpsons
>never got to see the movie until it got released to dvd
>hated it
The movie was hot trash, but when it got released, i stopped watching the Simpsons long ago

I couldn't even finish the movie.

How to fix the simpsons and all the other 10 year plus cartoon? Just dont release pointless seasons every damn year, take your time, wait 1-3 years, gather the ideas for something fresh, and then release a season with something actually worth watching it.

>>84601550
They did this for Futurama and it still turned out shit.

>>84601599
well the have to do it right

>>84601599
>'It didn't work once so lets not try it again!'

Now you've got your cartoon hat on!

smpsons was always shiet

>>84592926
the 9th season was the first that was not good
the 11th was the first that was bad

>>84599730
It kept the show fresh. They've had one guy in charge of the show for over ten seasons now and it's been fucking awful

>>84600431

Theyll cancel it once the voice actors start dying off

>>84601599
The finale of Futurama was really good though. It pretty much justified the "meh" renewal episodes preceding it

>>84598863
I heard he just bought the building the diner was part of, but you might be right

>>84594877
The movie was one of the worst films ever created.

>>84599044
3-9 is golden

8 is the cutoff point and you're an actual pleb of you can't understand why. 9 was fucking awful.

>>84606191
Why?

>>84606202

Because it marked a drastic change in the style of humour it was previously known and loved for.

If you like season 9 its because you were a child when it aired, or you're too low intelligence to see what changed.

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>tfw you realize at this point there are more bad Simpsons episodes than good ones
>most of the series is shit

>>84592926
Well, that was the first mike scully season as executive producer so it's normal.

>>84606277
You're taking the meme too far. Simpsons quality was a steady decline.

>>84600431
The future tv episode was good

>>84595467
>Well it must be true if some guy said it in a video.

a maybe the writers too...

Season 7 is where they began running out of steam.

Season 10 is a full shift away from classic Simpsons and started common tropes, like episodes focused on celebrities and travel episodes.

>>84606474
>what is stark raving dad
>what is bart vs australia

>>84606645
What are those?

>>84606362
Don't complain, Spongebob only lasted 3 seasons and 1 movie before becoming instant garbage. Not even the grace of a steady decline, it just flatlined at S4. Not a coincidence that S4 was when the movie happened and had an episode literally called "SELLOUT" where Krabs realizes spongebob is marketable and whores him out for business.

>>84606432

No doubt, season 8 had some moments that were clearly written by some of the new faggots. But you have to draw a line, and season 9 was it.

>>84594599
That makes two of you

>>84606654
>Stark Raving Dad - episode focused on Michael Jackson (Season 3)
>Bart Vs Australia - travel episode (Season 6)

I just can't believe anyone anywhere watched the Family Guy crossover episode and said "Hey this is really funny" let alone "Yes we want our brand associated with this horse turd sculpted into an episode"

>>84592926
>Homer stuffs five towels and two hot dogs up his ass and farts them at Maude

>>84606191
Season 9 had a handful of good episodes. The rest were very mediocre or just bad. You can see the tone of the series changing.

>>84594497
This is the only way to watch it

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>>84594397
>not liking Armin Tamzarian
get the fuck out

>>84606932
when they started attaching previously unforshadowed and unmentioned backstories onto established characters most people recognized that as the moment they didn't know where to take the show or cast anymore. In the following seasons they retconned Homer and Marge's teen/college years like three fucking times to push agenda shit, like Marge suddenly being super gay in college for NO reason at all

>>84607233
You mean the Be Sharps in season five?

Maybe you should actually watch the show instead of parroting retarded reddit opinions.

>>84607291
the Be Sharps wasn't that big a deal. it wasn't pushing an agenda, like Marge being gay so she could have a scene making out with Lady Gaga. it was just an obvious beatles parody

but yes fine you are right

>reddit opinion
>opinions have brands
>being this insecure about views that differ from your own

I think you have your tinfoil hat on a bit tight.

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>>84606362

>there are more bad simpsons season than there are good simpsons episodes

>>84605330
easy to replace &
way cheaper budget

>>84594397
I'm glad people who regurgitate this tired, tired theory are finally just admitting "I heard some guy say it".

what was the purpose of the movie, again?

>>84599044
If you watch seasons 1-10, you've nabbed pretty much all the episodes worth watching. However, if you want only the pinnacle, watch 3-8.

>>84597035
No, it was AS shit as everything that came after.

>>84594497
this. I have seasons 1-11 downloaded and that's all i'll ever need.
every now and then i find a decent episode from seasons 12-14 or so on tv but it's not the simpsons i wanna binge watch

>>84595202

I hear spongebob managed to become good again (though I haven't confirmed)
Soo.. maybe?

>>84607359
>knowing exactly what reddit's opinions are
Go back

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>>84594217

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How do you even end this show?

I can understand everyone hating zombie Simpsons, but even if they took the opportunity to finish it after s9 what could they have done?

>>84595202
The animation is stale and rigid. If they want to stand out, they should return to classic animation.

They also needed continuity and aging to have more story options. I don't care if it changes what the simposons is because they died years ago. Some ideas are worth exploring for more than 22 minutes. When great one-off characters return now it seems cheap. A whole season in the future would be a welcome change. Once the static characters on the simpsons had been totally explored it became shit. And homers brother, hank scorpio, and so many others could have great season archs devoted to them. They could have died with dignity like seinfeld and 30 Rock but now they need to have a true revitalization to be remembered for anything other than 9 good years

>>84595486
Is this the 'Dead Bort' episode I've heard so much about

>>84592926

Why do I keep thinking Homer bending down to pick up the penny is a fist?

>>84592926
Fuck you. The Simpsons was fine up to S13.

>>84611895
No, s11-12 had Homer getting raped by a panda. That was a very unSimpson-like joke.

>>84597320
>I need the people who work on the show to tell me when the golden age ended
why don't you go the whole hog just believe them about it still being good

golden age ended basically when OP said, there's no classics in season 10 but a few eps wouldn't stick out as shit in the golden seasons

I do sort of appreciate Homer to the Max

>>84594599
I can't discern any form.

>>84609345
>>84595467
the DVD commentary lists the episode as a mistake and the writers agree it was the end of the golden age

>>84595486
And the episode will be called "The Aristocrats!"

>>84613257
>"I heard some writer guys say it".
Well done at proving his point.

>>84612693
Personally, I think that while 10 gets more and more season 11-ish towards the end, a lot of it seems pretty season 9-ish, and many people (myself included) consider 9 to be classic or at least semi-classic. Plus, I do think that 10 is a bit funnier overall than season 11, and it's got the last appearance of Phil Hartman and the last really good Halloween episode. So I can sorta see why some people consider it the last classic season, and to be fair, most people who call it part of the classic era still consider it weaker than most/all of the seasons before it.

Personally, I wouldn't call it classic because it has some pretty bad episodes in it, but there's plenty of stuff in it that I do enjoy.

>>84599223
2-5 are god tier, 6 is great, 7 is good, 8 is passable and 9 and 10 are very mediocre. 11 and up are awful

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HA! Haha!
You really took advantage of my alcohol soaked clothes!
Moe best side character, or skinner?

>>84595486
will it be written by Garth Ennis?