Why the fuck was he so underpowered? The only impressive thing

He was sent by Eru as a guide

They nerfed him because he could solo the whole entire army if he wanted

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>>84591554
>kill the Balrog
Durin's Bane?

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>>84591686
Lol I have this game--I love orc and orc culture, will I like that game?

>>84591638
Proofs?

>>84591744
its a pretty fun orc-murder simulator and its only 4 bucks on steam right now

Gandalf isn't underpowered. He is easily the most powerful protagonist in Lord of the Rings. He can conjure fire, communicate telepathically with men and animals, is literally immortal and returns from the dead when he's killed.

What's your basis for comparison? Like, you feel he is underpowered compared to who?

>>84591900
Tom Bombadil is the most powerful.On his own land he's invincible. You just can't vince him

>>84592059
Fuck you

Do you understand the implications of him killing the Balrog, thats one bad demon we're talking about. Oh and he returns to life. Not to mention gangster fireworks, loved by all, and wise.

>>84591554
Gandalf's power wasn't just in his magics. His power was in his ability to guide and inspire. To lead and coerce. He set in motion events that changed every corner of middle earth. He was able to convince people who by all rights should hate one another - like Boromir and Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, Theoden and All of Gondor, to set aside their own quarrels and act for the good of all, at great cost to themselves.

That's power.

>>84592182
Kill yourself

>>84591554
he was one of the most powerful beings in the universe, however his tax rate on magic was very high.

when he came back as the white wizard, Eru slightly lowered this rate and allowed him more write offs and deductibles, so was able to use more powerful magic more often.

>>84591554
Think of Gandalf as more of a general and tactician plus a mentor.

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>>84591900
The Nazgul guy that BTFO him and could only be killed by a woman or something

>>84591554
how would you kill a Balrog?

>>84591554
He's not allowed to directly stick his big magic dick in things unless someone else has already broken the rules by sticking their big magic dick into things

Balrog was one type, so he could go full batshit on him. He was the only Ishtari to actually follow the fucking rules and not go fucking off somewhere, so he got to come back to life when he bit it

>>84591554

Because magic doesn't come from a stupid wand, it comes from Eru. The Valar commanded the Istari to go to Middle Earth and guide civilization. Where all other were lost, corrupted, or gradually went plant and animal crazy, Gandalf stayed the straight and narrow and brought about positive change by setting the free peoples up for success.

There's not much of a story if all bets are off and he can show up in his angelic form and just duke it out with Sauron. We would have just had a pissed off Maia fight between Saurman and Sauron if that was the case with Gandalf to take on whoever was left standing.

>>84592429
This. He broke Gandalf's staff and Ga dalf laid there and wet his robe.

Reminder that Atlantis, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Roman Church are all canon

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>>84592304

>>84591554
And he only killed the Balrog when nobody could see him.

Appearing underpowered was part of his mission parameters.

>>84592429
its not that the wk can only be killed by a woman, but that the prophecy was that he wouldnt die by a man's hand.
fucker didnt realize hobbits and girls exist

>>84592059
I know your STATEMENT is correct, but you are in fact wrong by replying on nerd basis, and not on argument's sake, as if you could actually read the guy's post, Tom Bombadil is not a protagonist neither in the Lord of the Ring nor the whole in-universe Middle-Earth.

>>84591554
If, by any chance, the Balrog was set free outside, he could obliterate, ALONE, all human, dwarven and possibly elven civilizations.
If you read the book, you would know that.
If you pay attention even to the damn movie, you would know that too.
"This foe is beyond any of you" "Swords are no more use here"

>>84595245
How did they take out armies of them back in the day? Just a few super powers generals or something?

>>84595245
Durin's Bane was fairly strong even for a Balrog, but yes a few of the strongest Elven Lords could fight of multiple of the grunts, and with the right weaponry men and Dwarves could beat them with enough of a numbers advantage.

There were armies of them by the last battle but then Maiar came in full force and obliterated them.

>>84591744
imo i never had that much fun with a game in a long time. The nemesis system is genius.

I sunk way more time into that game than anyone should have.

>>84594384
>>84592429
Confirmed for hackson plebs only. You faggots should kill yourselves.

>>84595761
but we are talking about the movie not the books

>>84595863
Doesn't excuse your faggotry now end your lives.

Gandalf is a perfect example of a patriarchal, omnipotent protagonist.

His power stems from his knowledge and ability to influence and guide the people of Middle Earth, not from his battle prowess. This is something modern capeshit could learn from.

I watched Wonder Woman recently and was expecting Ares to be similar, in a way, to Gandalf. For his power to be the ability to spark war in the hearts of men, without having to lift a hand. Then it goes full Snyder and he's lifting the earth and wearing some power ranger outfit, wasted opportunity.

Now the eagles, on the other hand...

>>84592429
That was invented for the movie. Gandalf and the witch king faced each other at the gates of Mina's tirith, but the witch king turned away to deal with the charge of the rohirrim, and gandalf was pulled away to deal with denethor's madness. There was never really a confrontation between them, and gandalf's staff certainly was not broken.

OP did you want him to wipe out the entire orc army or something?
like what did you expect him to do, because without him, they would've lose a at the very start

>>84591554
>Why the fuck was he so underpowered?

he spec'd for passive buffs, cc, some debuffs, and situational heals

weird that he equipped that legendary fire ring when he wasn't an elementalist, but he was p casual

>>84591744
it's assassin's creed with LOTR coat over it

>>84591900
>is literally immortal and returns from the dead when he's killed
Anon, I...

>>84596992
They should have left in the scene from the book where the party gets attacked by wargs the night before they reach moria and gandalf summons a shitload of fire explosions to scare them off by tossing a branch into the air.

Put this together with his trick in the Hobbit where he turns pinecones into bombs and the fire ring makes sense.

Also the ring has the power to Kindle the "fire" of the spirit, which is how he gives such courage to those he counsels.

>>84597160
Okay let me rephrase.

His true nature as a spiritual being is immortal.
His material incarnation as an istari can be regenerated by the valar if you manage to "kill" him.

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since this is the unofficial LOTR general thread
what happened to these niggas, where were they during the war

Would Feanor beat Fingolfin in a fight?

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>>84597581
It's not shown or mentioned in the movies

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>>84591900
Dumbledore can wipe the floor with Gandalf is a thousand different ways.

>>84597665
Oh I thought you were just memeing.
That's Durin III, who was the dwarf king about 5000 years before the war of the ring.

>>84597358
The dwarves didn't reach to the ring's influence the way Sauron planned.
>Every great dwarf clan's treasure horde began with a sing ring
Supposedly the dwarf treasure in the hobbit was started that way and Smaug was partially drawn there by the ring

>>84597573
Yeah Feanor was supposed to be the greatest elf physically of all time...
>Feanor was also called an ant compared to the Valar, so why the fuck did he think he take on Morgoth?

Gandalf demonstrates magic less impressive than that of a Hogwarts first year. He makes his staff glow, big whoop.

Why DIDNT Gandalf or the gods or whoever just stomp out Sauron? Why was Gandalf designated to just being a guide?

Like why was it men's problem that Sauron, one of their kind, was fucking up all kinds of shit, and they needed to stop it on their own with little interference from Wizards? That's not really fair.

Also, since sauromon when renegade, why didn't he ever use his full angel wizard powers? Why was he still gimping himself when he obviously threw the rule book out the window?

>>84597789
A thousand gay ways

Because in the Tolkeinian lexicon he is the equivalent of a zoroastrian, and later Christian angel. There to guide and oversee not fight, which is why he only directly fights the Balrog, a 'demon of the ancient world' that has no more place directly engaging with mortals than he does.

>>84598498
But Sauron has no place directly engaging with mortals either, so wouldn't Gandalf going full angel wizard on him be fair game?

>>84597789
>random fag vs angel
*yellow face holding fingers to chin*

>>84598528
Because he can't beat Sauron at this point. Sauron has become the embodiment of Morgoth, and much like the Christian 'God' the equivalent allies are absent from combat. People forget that Tolkein fought in the war, and so was making a point. >>84598528

>>84595483
elves were a LOT more powerful

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Why the fuck wasn't he invisible?

>>84598528
sauron would have fucked gandalf up in a 1v1 fight in the third age

>>84598611
Because the One Ring isn't a ring with an invisibility enchantment

>Gandalf can't beat Sauron
>some guy with a broken sword could
>despite Sauron having the ring of power equipped
????

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>>84598242
Because he was fucking pissed, and you don't make rational decisions when you're that mad. Same thing with Fingolfin, although Morgoth had also fallen a lot by then, which was part of the point of that scene too.

>>84598390
>Why DIDNT Gandalf or the gods or whoever just stomp out Sauron? Why was Gandalf designated to just being a guide?
The Valar work in mysterious ways I guess, they wanted men to do it with their own strength.
>Also, since sauromon when renegade, why didn't he ever use his full angel wizard powers?
IIRC His physical body is part of that gimping, it's related to why Gandalf seemingly powers up after dying to the balrog, he gains a new body with the restrictions on his powers essentially dialled back a tiny bit.

>>84598528
Arguably yes, however the last time that happened the Valar accidentally a continent. And like others have said it would take much more than just Gandalf alone, making the scale of the destruction brought upon the world of men just that much greater.

>>84598646
>hackson only pleb detected
Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron but both died in the process

Since there are some lovely beautiful Lord of the rings expert anons generously answering questions in this thread, may I ask for a dumbed down explanation of what exactly the one ring is?

Did it make Sauron more powerful or did he like dump a giant load of his power into it? If the latter, why? What was the purpose of making a physical item that he could be severely weakened without?

If he was initially defeated when he had the ring, why did it seem so hopeless if he had gotten the ring back? Couldn't they just defeat him the same way they initially did?

>>84598853
Making the Ring bound Sauron to Creation. It technically dispersed his power, but dispersing his power allowed his slaves to be way stronger than usual. Doing so also gave him some power over Creation itself.
>What was the purpose of making a physical item that he could be severely weakened without?
He never thought he would lose it.

It was hopeless if Sauron got the Ring back because the men/elves had gotten weaker over the centuries, while Sauron would stay at roughly the same power level.

>>84598853
Sauron was originally an apprentice of Aule the smith who was the original craftsman.
Once corrupted and under disguise, Sauron made rings of power that would grant their bearers great strength. He planned on making a master ring that would control all others making him even more powerful than he ever was.
The one ring enhanced his powers, allowed him dominion over others who had rings made by him. It was a way for him to consolidate power and expand his influence among humans, dwarves and elves.
Only the humans were corrupted, dwarves became greedy jews and the elves figured out his plan.
He is weak without it because he poured his own strength into it.

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>>84598853
Sure thing anon, this is a lore thread at this point after all.

So fundamentally, the One Ring is like a backdoor into all of the other rings of power. Suaron initially taught the elves, including their greatest smith Celebrimbor, the grandson of Feanor, the art of ring making, something Sauron innately understands since before switching his allegiance to Morgoth, he was a Maiar, essentially an angel, under Aule, the smth of the Valar, similar to a Christian Archangel in a way. But Sauron tricked the elves, and had them make these rings with full knowledge that his one ring, that had yet to be made, would be bound to all the others, and be able to control them, and their owners, provided he sunk enough of his power into it to gain dominion over them. So while he had to gamble with sinking so much of his power into the ring, this essentially allowed him to tap into all 19 other major rings of power while he was wearing it, and also control their owners, which was his real goal. The elves saw through this, and just took their 3 rings off until the one was lost. The dwarves reacted to it in an unforeseen way, and while they didnt become slaves to Sauron's will, their rings drove them to destruction in other ways. With men, his schemes succeeded, and the nine ringbearers became immortal wraith slaves of Sauron, the Nazgul in LotR.

As for what happens if he regained the one in the current age, the strength of the free world has diminished greatly since then, Sauron's forces would dominate the world if he had the ring, and in fact even if he didnt, which is why they need to destroy it, as opposed to just hide it. That said, Sauron with the ring is so powerful that his possessing it would single-handedly strengthen his forces noticeably, even relative to all the forces of west.

>tl;dr backdoor to the other rings of power, and power over those who possessed them.

>>84598588
Call them whatever you want, Dumbledore is still infinitely more powerful than Gandalf. If it was up to him the Ring would have been destroyed in 1 minute.

>>84599111
My dad could beat up both gaydalf and dumblebell

>>84599111
>Dumbledore is still infinitely more powerful than Gandalf.
KEK

>>84598853
he made 19 rings for the kings of all the races, the 3 for the elves was made by celebrimbor, an elf and didn't really do anything bad, in fact gandalf has the ring of fire which is why he does a lot of fire spells.

the dwarves with the 7 rings cucked sauron and just got richer and better at mining and building stuff.

the men turned into ringwraiths, with the numenorean one becoming the witch king.

the one ring was supposed to give command over the ones who had the other rings, but he had to put a lot of his own power into to because the other rings were already pretty strong.
apart from that the ring had some extra powers and contained sauron's will.

when sauron was defeated, it was by the numenorean king elendil, and his son isildur, with a magic sword, and a noldorin king, and they all died except isildur. it was implied there wasn't this kind of power in the 3rd age.

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>>84599156
Dumbledore can:
>teleport
>mind control
>read thoughts
>create firestorms
>put up wards that repel his enemies from entering a place
>conjure living beings
>animate statues
>repel demons
>fly on fucking skeletal zombie dragon horses whenever he wants

Gandalf can:
>light pine cones on fire
>AHHHHHHHHHHH EAGLES SAVE ME

>>84599111
>In the wavering firelight Gandalf seemed suddenly to grow: he rose up, a great menacing shape like the monument of some ancient king of stone set upon a hill. Stooping like a cloud, he lifted a burning branch and strode to meet the wolves. They gave back before him. High in the air he tossed the blazing brand. It flared with a sudden white brilliance like lightning; and his voice rolled lke thunder. 'Naur an edraith ammen! Naur dan i ngauhoth!' he cried. There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and bloom of blinding flame. The fire leapt from tree-top to tree-top. The whole hill was crowned with dazzling light.

Go stretch your legs Rowling

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>>84599302
>ZOMG GANDALF PUT A TREE ON FIRE!

Kids in Hogwarts learn to do that when they're 11.

>>84599344
>dumbledore does a gay wrist flick to make fire
>gandalf warps reality

>>84599084
>>84599062
>>84599004
>>84599195
Thanks lads

My last question would be why exactly did the one ring become Frodo's burden to carry? Was he really more resistant to it than Gandalf or Aragorn? Would they have really been so much more easily corrupted by the ring than him? Was Frodo resistant to it because it's a hobbit thing or was he just a really swell guy?

>>84599382
That's a weird way of seeing that Dumbledore can defeat a hundred Gandalfs easily.

>>84591771
I'm sorry I can only be a stranger on the internet asking you to trust him, it's been many years since I've last read a LoTR book, I can't name book/page quotes. But gandalf isn't even a man or numenorean, he's a lesser god entity, told by the REAL badass worldmaker god entities that he's not supposed to do anything major directly that can affect the outcome of the war. The "current" races(men, the multiple "men but stronker" variants, elves, dorfs, hobbits, and all natural/evil lifeforms). Touching the ring, using anything beyond low-as-fuck tier spells (all magic is sung; saruman is screaming to bring down the mountain on the vellowship, gandalf barely ever whispers magic.)

Small mentions of superior entities would've been a nice addition to the movies, but they had enough trouble making the movies not be 5h each as it is, even if the full 4h+ versions still feel fantastic. Not having any explanation as to why gandalf feels underpowered, especially compared to saruman and even dude radagast lmao, just makes you wonder why'd he be amongst the 5 grand mages of middle earth

Most of the time he's just casting shit like basic light, he could at least use that more often rather than just during omg so epic light vanquish evil moments.

He is, clearly, the wisest and strongest of the fellowship by far. The movie sort of points that when he 1v1s a balrog, thankfully not nerfed much in the movie, then he gets a fucking revive with a respec.

>>84595761
>hackson
He didn't want to do the hobbit at all and how can you hate the LoTR trilogy?

>>84599421
>saruman bringing the snow
It's either Sauron or Caradhras itself

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>>84599385
>Was Frodo resistant to it because it's a hobbit thing or was he just a really swell guy?
A bit of both really, one of the things the ring does to people is it gives them the impression that they could use its power to make the change in the world that they want, or use it as a means to an end of sorts. Boromir wanted to use it to bring victory to Gondor, for instance. Even Sam was tempted by it into making the world into a huge garden. Of course, the ring perverts this desire and uses it to corrupt its owner in an attempt to return to Sauron. The thing with Frodo is he was a relaxed hobbit who was pretty content with things the way they were, he had no grand ambitions of the sort, he just wanted the damn thing gone really, or at least the pain it brought him. Its why Aragorn, Gandalf, and Galadriel all turn the ring down, they know just what it would do to them if someone of their power and ambition possessed it. That said, the only reason it was his burden to carry is because he literally asked for it at the Council of Elrond.

>>84599385
yeah, the way it's described is that men would be corrupted almost immediately, dwarves would become even greedier jews, extremely selfish if not evil and would go do their own thing, and that elves would be a giant liability in case they were corrupted because they were so powerful and immortal.

hobbits on the other hand made sense because they weren't too greedy for gold or power, and would be easy to defeat if they turned evil.
also frodo and bilbo lived with the ring a couple of feet from them for like 80 years and nothing happened to them.

>>84599385
Gandalf and Aragorn were already pretty strong and if they used the Ring, they would have gotten even stronger and even stood a chance against Sauron and his armies. However, should they have succeeded in defeating said armies without the Ring just leaping off the finger mid-fight to get back to Sauron, Aragorn or Gandalf would just have gotten it into their heads that because they now were the strongest, they should be the new Dark Lord
Frodo was a hobbit and hobbits don't crave anything other than a good meal by default so they're not so easy to corrupt. In addition to that Frodo was just a chill guy who didn't want the Ring so he was better at just straight up handing it over to someone else right up until the very end where the Ring does manage to corrupt him

>>84595761
Show some fucking respect. Jackson made Lord of the Rings. What have you created? What movies have you made?

>>84599385
It was Frodo's burden because ~it was his destiny~. He chose to take it on, although he feels like something outside of himself is pushing him to do it.
Gandalf or Aragorn might have been somewhat easier to corrupt, but they had WAY more power than Frodo. Eventually anyone would be corrupted and if it happened to essentially anyone but a hobbit the world would be no better off than if Sauron got the ring. And it's mostly him being a hobbit. That's their "racial bonus", resistance to evil.

>>84599608
Meme Lover and Meme Lover 2

>>84598611
>Why the fuck wasn't he invisible?

because hes waring armor

>>84599608
>you can't know if a meal tastes good if you're not a 3 star chef

>>84598611
Invisibility is a quirk of non-divine beings using rings made for elves and an ex-angel. They get pulled into the spirit world.

>>84597789
Dumbledore couldn't hold a candle to Gandalf fighting at full power. Gandalf is a semi-divine figure. He just doesn't solve his problems through brute strength. Gandalf was sent to Middle-Earth to guide the mortal races against Sauron. He needed to inspire them to take Middle-Earth for themselves rather than to lead them and solve their problems himself. That's why he only uses a fraction of his power.

>>84599767
>That's why he only uses a fraction of his power.

That doesn't make sense retard. The Dwarves almost died and all he could do was light pine cones on fire. So he's allowed to use magic to get them out of situations, but not powerful magic? that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Give me ONE quote where it says that Gandalf can teleport or heal or mind control when he uses his "real power".

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>>84591554
>Why the fuck was he so underpowered?

Same reason angels are in the Bible.

Angels walking around with big wings or obvious signs is generally a Hollywood concept, or taken from Catholic imagery.

Angels are sent down in disguise as regular humans to help people out as guides, not to solve all of their problems for them. One of the famous examples being the two angels sent to Sodom who end up saving Lot, or the angel who appears before Hannah.

Hebrews 13:2
>Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

>>84599608
this argument is so dumb. Just fucking kill yourself.

>>84599719
>they get pulled into the spirit world
How does this work? They still touch things in the "real" world, wraiths and smough still see/smell/hear them. "Pulled into" makes it sound like they're transported all the way, the movies make it sound like they're just inbetween two dimensions, one which apparently is how the wariths see everything.

>>84599837
catholic here, don't diss seraphs. also one angel whose name i can't remember is known just for having a flaming sword and coming to earth to cleanse

>>84599809
>keeps repeating a single event in the child's companion to LotR
>ignores everything else

>>84599917
What everything else? Gandalf barely uses magic. He's not magically powerful at all. Dumbledore would just turn the Balrog into a fucking puppy.

>>84599968
>WHY DOESN'T HE DO STUPID SHIT LIKE MY HARRY POTTER????????
>because God told him he couldn't
>WOW WHAT A KEK DUMBLEDORE WOULD KICK HIS ASS

>>84599809
>light pine cones on fire.
I was fucking laughing so much at this

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>Dumbledore

I brought a real wizard.

>>84595759
>The nemesis system is genius.

There is no way you played the game for more than five hours. It is massively overrated.

>>84599895
>angel whose name i can't remember is known just for having a flaming sword and coming to earth to cleanse
Uriel?

>>84599608
Is this the most pleb argument in existence?

>>84599895
>>84600183
Cherubim?

lord of the rings was written before dungeons and dragons exists

LOTR is the sole inspiration, or a heavy inspiration for absolutely all forms of 'magic' as we imagine them now

it's perfect rational that things like invisibility rings and 'make your staff glow' were considered powerful and meaningful magic, and stuff like 'time stop' is ridiculous, and doesn't work well within a conventional narrative

>>84591554
Because the Valar wanted the Istari (wizards) to be underpowered so they didnt create 5 more saurons when they went over there.

>>84599281
You think Dumbledore could hack it against eagles brah?

>>84597789
Too bad Harry Potter is trash.

>>84600344
>it's perfect rational that things like invisibility rings and 'make your staff glow' were considered powerful and meaningful magic,

bitch, a jew in the desert parted a goddamn sea with a staff that had an identity crisis on whether or not it was a snake

>>84599837
Didn't the angels in Sodom get ass raped by the citizens, hence the term sodomy?

>>84591744
It lets you rip and tear through hordes of orcs, so that's good fun. The nemesis system also makes it a little more interesting than just being a LotR-flavored Bamham/Ass Creed.

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>>84602149
No, Lot protected them in his house and tried to give them his roastie daughters instead.

Then the angels got Lot and his family out of the city at which point God rained fire on the Sodomites and killed them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ICTsqE4Fjs

>>84591554
>The only impressive thing he did was kill the Balrog.
>killed an ancient angel-tier being on his own while gimped in his Gray form
I'd say he did good for a weird hippie fuck-up who preferred to hang out with hairy manlets instead of doing wizard work

>>84602216
I never go this story, how offering your daughters to be fucked is noble?

>>84602260
His daughters were roasties. They were expendable.

>>84602260

different times mate, women have been tradeable objects that don't get any say for like 90% of human history in most cultures.

>>84602216
>1:00:05
Nigga do you really expect me to watch all that?

>>84602216
Lot also fucked his daughters.

>>84592429
i think that was explained by sauron focusing his energy into wk and gandalf nerfing himself
but lets not glorify gandalf too much his abilities was not more powerfull than the balrog, saruman or sauron at his prime

>>84598390
when sauruman gave in to his power and flameballed gandalf his staff was broken not by gandalf but by breach of contract with the valar thus he was rendered completly powerless and killed by a simple stab in the back

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>>84602396
>Nigga do you really expect me to watch all that?

No but it's a good video. Here's some shorter, funnier ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYPmtq2m_DY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5PJjB1GrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJN7AHZflfM

>>84602425
His daughters fucked him when he got blackout drunk.

>>84602491
same diff, filthy sluts
>tfw no daughter

>>84602260
let's now forget how once God pranked a guy into almost killing his son as a sacrifice

>>84602541
He also pranked a guy by taking away everything he had and never returning it while all the guy's friends kept telling him that it was obviously his own fault that his life turned to shit

>>84602575
jahwe truly is a jew

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>Theoden in the movie gets younger after Gandalf tells him to man the fuck up and stop listening to Grima
>Theoden in the book is just an old man but he still has it in him to fight after Gandalf talks sense into him

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>that time the Witch King solo'd Gandalf just by raising his sword
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGdp5_12zW0
sorry guys, but it's canon and pretty symbolic once you think about it. I mean, gandalf the white on his little white horse with his little white hobbit friend gets absolutely BTFO by a black rider on his big ass girthy phallic dragon mount. fucking pottery hackson, fucking pottery.

>>84602651
It's just visual storytelling. The audience gets the basic idea that this Wormtongue asshole (with Saruman's help) has convinced this king that he's old and worn when it's not really true.

>>84599474
I always got the impression it was the mountain. Didn't Gandalf even say that it doesn't care for travelers?

tolkein newfag doesntk now what the wizards purpose is lmao

>>84595245
>Swords are no more use here
>seen fighting the ballrogue with a sowrd

bravo token

>>84602708
in the book there is something of a transformation, his eyes get brighter and some of the lines of care leave his face but he is probably older than depicted. At Pelennor he is supposed to be a vision of Eorl and strieks down the harad king, which he doesn't really do in the films.

>>84602901
>I always got the impression it was the mountain. Didn't Gandalf even say that it doesn't care for travelers?

Possibly. But the Maiar can also change the weather like Sauron did when he sent cloud and haze west of the Anduin to cover the orcs in darkness.

>>84591554
what movie?

>>84602950
Fair point there.

>>84602703
>cucks are so mentally damaged all they think about is bbc

>>84597358
In the battle where Isildur cuts the ring from Saurons hand the dwarves were also present, it wasn't just elves and men. They were supposedly pretty instrumental in the battle which is why Elrond in the films is out of order when he says they don't care about the world.

Mostly the dwarf lords were killed by dragons/the Balrog who were drawn to the wealth the rings brought the dwarves.

Admission: I thought his name was GrandElf, and was leader of the elves

>>84602950
wasn't Sauron just stirring up Mount Doom/the mountain reacted to his will hence creating the smog? Even fairly minimal volcanic activity can totally cloud the atmosphere, hence why planes are often banned from flying near Iceland if the volcanoes are active.

>>84603046
stirring with what, a big spoon?

>>84603096
Sauron is linked to the volcano after forging the ring, hence why it erupts when the ring is destroyed in it. Geology is also magical in lotr hence simarils, the arkenstone, palantirs.

>>84592240
This

>>84603046
>wasn't Sauron just stirring up Mount Doom/the mountain reacted to his will hence creating the smog?

It doesn't really say, but from the description of the weather it made it sound supernatural as opposed to just volcanic smog. Same way with "the winds from the sea" that are mentioned.

>>84591554
IIRC back home in the undying lands he was just a relatively lowly demigod, and his powers were further restricted when he was sent over

he wasnt sent over to be a warrior, the last time the Valar tried that they fractured and sunk half the continent

>>84592304
How did Sauroman get away with it? Was he cooking the books?

>>84599608
literally youtube comment tier

Good thread desu

reminder that melkor was a bitch that needed his balrogs to save his bitch ass

>>84607622
Melkor was fighting a void spider demon to be fair.

>>84600178
I did and I loved every minute of it.

I can fully understand why people don't like it or don't play it as long, but it tickled a fancy I enjoy thoroughly. Without the system it would've just been REALLY generic though.

>>84592059
not true. it's even stated in The Fellowship of the Ring that Sauron would overpower Bombadil in the end.
"And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come." - Glorfindel.

Was Saruman an idiot or just a total pussy?
>Angel sent down by God with a mission
>turn on God and join forces with some fag you plan to maybe backstab in the future

Even if he thought Sauron was going to win, wouldn't his own death just mean he goes back to chilling with God and the other angels? And even if Sauron won and Saruman successfully overthrew him, is ruling the world better than chilling with God anyway?
It just seems like turning on the creator of all things is setting yourself up for a bad end.

When Tolkien wrote about magic, he wrote about mostly subtle mysterious spells. He seems to prefer for the villainous wraith to lift his hand and summon a veil of darkness and fear rather then hurl a fireball. He describes a wizard who conceals his full powers unless he is stirred to passion, rather than showing it off by teleporting around transforming orcs into butterflies. Who knows the full extent what Gandalf or Saruman could do, if moved to extremes? For many years, people were left to wonder what Gandalf's true nature and origin really was, or if he was even human. It was a mystery.

Anyway, we do have examples of more fantastic magic occurring in stories prior to LOTR, but for the most part, they are performed by deities. Figures like Merlin were mostly confined to prophecy and reading of signs and omens. True miracles we're left to larger figures like Yaweh it Odin (on whom gandalf is partially based).

Tl;Dr, comparing gandalf to Dumbledore is foolish.

>>84609124

you know sauron actually uses mind control though, right?

like, im not joking, the whole point of the ring being bad is the second you put it on it fucking rapes your mind and makes you his slave. the elves realized it and peaced. the dwarves were immune, as they desired gold, not power, and the humans got rekt

saruman played with palantirs for too long. he was amply warned bud.

>>84609124
He was an idiot.

>>84597048
my man.

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how did they do it?

>>84609124
After many years in Middle Earth, the memory of Valinor began to grow dim in the minds of the Istari. That's why Gandalf became so much stronger and more focused and intense when he came back. The full vision of the blessed realm was fresh and clear in his mind. Saruman first studied the methods of the enemy as means to an end. Over the many centuries though, power became it's own end, and he enjoyed being elevated above lesser folk. Over time, he forgot the purpose he had been sent to fulfill.

>>84602934

Gandalf had a magic sword of the Second Age, the rest had nice pointy things (with the exception of Frodo I suppose)

>>84609682
Ian's sitting on a box beneath the robe.

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>>84591554
>14 year old childrens flick

MAMA IS SO PROUD OF HER BIG BOI

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spinoff about rhun and the blue wizards when?

Hey so what would happen if Gandalf put on the one ring? Like what was the actual power of the one ring, was it only sauron who could use it or if Gandalf, galadriel or some such put it on would they be Uber powerful?

>>84591554
I think you're underestimating how powerful balrogs are.

>>84600115
Urza isn't a wizard, he's a demigod. Bolas and Yawg are still stronger though.

>the only impressive thing he did was kill a literal demi-god
fucking faggot kids think power is measured by how much fireballs you can make with your epik magicka powers