Which western is the greatest and why is it The Good, the

>>84462836
Once Upon a Time in the West is better.

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>>84462866

>>84462836
BLOOOOOONNNNDDDDIIIIIEEEEE!!!!

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

>>84462836
Because of Tuco and The Captain

Hateful Eight

>>84462836
It depends on who you're talking to. Our generation should think that Spaghetti Westerns are the best, because they are. But my dad is John Wayne all the way.

I always preferred The Magnificent Seven

>>84462866
pretentious answer

>>84462866
Fpbp.

>>84462866
no

>>84463007
There are only like 3-4 good spaghetti westerns. Aside from that there are a bunch of great soundtracks with mediocre to bad movies attached to them.

>>84462836
this is the best spaghetti* western
the greatest western is tombstone

>>84463007
Ditto. I'm 30 and I grew up watching The Duke because that's what my dad liked. Also watched a lot of High Chapparal, Rawhide, The Rifleman, and Gunsmoke.

>>84462836
Taco is such a great character his and the man with no names relationship is so fucked up.

>>84463069
you cant "fpbp" your own reply you summerfag

>>84463095
This.

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>>84463141
>Taco

>>84463102
>the greatest western is tombstone
This

>>84462936
We're talking about best westerns, not Most Annoying Titles.

>>84463170
Hello newfriend ;)

Django unchained

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>>84463102
NOOOOOOOOO

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>>84462836
hang on senpai

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>>84463141
>taco
baka senpai

>>84463141
Damn Autocorrect!

>>84462836
Everyone with actual taste knows that unforgiven is the best Western movie of all time.

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/tv/ Official Good Western List:
Shane
High Noon
The Searchers
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Rio Bravo
The Good The Bad and The Ugly
For a Few Dollars More
Once Upon a Time in the West
McCabe & Mrs Miller
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Hang Em High
Blazing Saddles
Unforgiven
Tombstone
Lonesome Dove
Deadwood

Overrated:
A Fistful of Dollars
Outlaw Josey Wales
The Wild Bunch
3:10 to Yuma (modern)
True Grit (both)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAICQXNeOhw

>>84463316
>no el dorado
>no sons of katie elder
>the cowboys not listed

>>84463316
>Outlaw Josey Wales overrated

KYS

>>84463316
>No High Plains Drifter
C'mon, man, try harder

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>>84463316
>Overrated:
>A Fistful of Dollars

>>84463316
>True Grit
you better take a step back before i hafta hurt ya boy

>>84462836
Too many scenes with Ugly, not enough with Bad

>>84463233
>no u
wew

>>84463316
This is a pretty good list.

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A Challenger Appears

>>84463102
▶ >>1744263
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1497860539221.webm

>>84463102
>Tombstone
Mah huckleberry.

>>84463260
Which did you prefer? The first or the second?

You need the first to understand the characters, but the second was a great follow up for what it was. Good fun and it performed the end fight a bit better than the first one.

Shane, because it's near flawless in writing, acting, cinematography, costumes, sets, and most important: pacing. Other highly praised westerns are too slow.

But that's not

SABATA
AA
B_ B
A__ A
T___ T
A____ A

>ctrl-f
>young guns
>0

>>84462836
Well, you're really asking two questions there. The first one is, why is it the greatest? To which the answer is - it isn't. The second one is, why do *you* think it is the greatest, to which I think the answer is - you have seen ten or fewer Westerns. If I'm wrong, let me know.

>>84466241
Shane is fast-paced to you? That's an interesting opinion. What are some Westerns other than Leone's that are slower than it?

>>84463316
Needs Pale Rider

>ctrl-f
>Big Money Rustlas
>0

>>84466510
Once Upon a Time in the West is the worst I've seen, but The Searchers wasn't far off. Both nearly put me to sleep.

>>84463316
The Outlaw Josey Wales is the best Western ever made faggot

>>84466583
Once Upon a Time in the West is a Leone. I can understand Shane being thought faster than The Searchers, though The Searchers is such a quest story that the speed seems appropriate to me - they're meant to have been out there for years.

>>84463758
it's a ripoff of a weeb film

The Wild Bunch is my second. Check out a film call Face To Face. Stars the guy who played Indio. Cool spaghetti western.

>>84464256
Unmitigated garbage. Peckinpah's sheltered rich-kid ideas about masculinity and grit are embarrassing to compare to Leone's awareness.

>>84466748
Oh, and he was more effeminate than John Waters.

>>84463316
>Overrated:
>A Fistful of Dollars
>Outlaw Josey Wales
>The Wild Bunch
>3:10 to Yuma (modern)
>True Grit (both)

Right on everything but the Eastwood, mainly because I don't think people rate The Outlaw Josey Wales that highly anyway. Also, Hang Em High is sleazy garbage that has no business on a list with Hawks, Ford and Leone pictures.

>No one remembers The Quick and The Dead
Movie is just pure fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wM8RREueMQ

My Darling Clementine and True Grit (2010) are my favorites.

Im not reading the replies yet, but

>For A Few Dollars More
>Unforgiven
>Good Bad Ugly
>Open Range

>>84466748
How come

>>84466893
Unforgiven is a slack jawed version of the Searchers though.

I need to rewatch Dead Man.

>>84466846
>No one remembers The Quick and The Dead

Good.

>>84463102
>Tombstone
shit flick, horrible pacing and editing
Doesn't even compare to Leone's classics or Unforgiven

>>84466962
>____ is a ____ version of ___

Nice critical thinking

>>84466913
Because they are so obviously just that, sheltered ideas. He was from a wealthy landed family and tried very hard to play the Hemingway role. Look at how insistent Peckinpah is upon the meanness of his characters, compared with Leone's acceptance of it in stride. Leone doesn't think he's informing people of the existence of cruelty or that horses defecate, whereas Peckinpah seems like he only found out at 21 and wants to share the discovery with the world.

>>84467020
Oh, yes it does. Kilmer does amazing performance in Tombstone, bittersweet tragedy at best.

>>84467088
>Look at how insistent Peckinpah is upon the meanness of his characters, compared with Leone's acceptance of it in stride.

Could you name an example? From the Wild Bunch probably? there are some masculine characters that are mean and some are not. Is this not fair?

For me, I never bought into Leone's characters, though I think they're more archetypes than characters, but still. Leone is not for me anyways. I only like 1 scene that Leone has ever done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgGqdAAyJSQ

>>84464256
The movie that convinced me to buy a Winchester 1897

>>84466717
which was a ripoff of an American novel

>>84463095
Could you give some examples of what you're talking about?

I urge everyone in this thread to check out The Homesman. Not really the macho kind of westerns gettin named in here, just a good film.

>>84466533
it's just a worse version of Shane

>>84467157
It's not the existence of mean people in his films, it's that meanness impresses him, whereas it doesn't impress Leone.

>>84467212
The Homesman is brilliant. Tommy Lee Jones is the best Texas director. Also the other westerner he made, Three Burials is great too.

but The Homesman has some clear Blood Meridian bits in it if you are aware of the novel.

>>84467238
Could you name examples? I don't really see this in Dogs or Bunch..

My personal favourite is Django 1966

Paint Your Wagon

>>84462866
I don't think so, but it's very close.

>>84467280
Shit yea. Was pleasantly surprised by the Homesman.

>>84463095
No, there are far more than 3-4 (just the Leone ones are 5). Of course most of them are bad, just like most classic era Westerns are unwatchable garbage as well.

>>84467376
fuuuuck the bit of Swank searching the prairie and then killing herself

just heart wrenching gut kicking shit

>>84463316
>That overrated list
Fuck off.

>>84463317
That moment where Tuco says all that bullshit about his brother and Blondie doesn't say anything, and that guitar in the background.
That's how manly feels are delivered.

>>84466365
EHI, AMICO!

>>84467175
Just look at this list:
https://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Essential_Top_20_Films

Notice the gigantic dropoff in quality after 3. 4 wouldn't even make the top 10 if it weren't for the surprise ending. I've seen all but one of the rest of the top 10 and besides a Kurosawa remake the rest are just somewhat enjoyable schlock.

Also like I said the composers totally outclassed everything else for all but those few films at the top.

>>84467157
>I never bought into Leone's characters
>Not liking Tuco

Wtf is wrong with you.

>>84467337
/thread

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I have a son at home and a daughter in heaven.

>>84467280
>I don't really see this in Dogs
If you don't see that its entire thesis illustrates that attitude, there's no point my naming examples, is there? Enjoy your garbage.

>>84467449
Thanks for the spoiler, don't need to watch that now.

>>84463033
Western with a nigger protagonist? This is not why I watch westerns, must be current year movie.

>>84467644
A Bullet for the General, Face to Face and Django Kill are all great films.

>>84462836
>>84462866
>>84463007
>Spaghetti Western
>GOAT

They're a fun watch, but none of them should be considered the greatest.

>>84467644
>a Kurosawa remake
>Which was an uncredited adaptation of a Dashiell Hammett novel in the first place

Nice nitpick, buddy. It's still a great movie, just as most of the other ones in that list.
A few of them are there for a cult classic value (Django, Keoma, Vamos a Matar, Compañeros, Django Kill), but all the rest are actually good films, and so are a few that were left outside the top 20.

>>84462836
I prefer The Outlaw Josey Wales.

Hey OP,
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE??????

>>84463102
Tombstone was a good action movie. Nothing more. It pales in comparison to The Unforgiven.

>>84467831
If you think a narrative spoiler can take away the meaning of the scenes or narrative for you then you have zero critical thinking skills and are just looking for instant gratification of le twist in which case you are anti-intellectual which is sad.

>>84467892
well it loses points because (1) it's not as good as Yojimbo and (2) because it's not that good period and far inferior to any other Leone westerns

>>84467744
>NO PC VERSION
fuck you Rockstar
fuck you

>>84468123
>inferior to any other Leone westerns
Yes, to me it's below all but Giu La Testa, and yes, Yojimbo is better. Yet it's still a good movie.

>>84467979
You sound like you're repeating something you've heard and misremembering it. The "scenes or narrative" is exactly what a spoiler can spoil. It can't spoil the other aspects, but the gut wrenching quality of the scene which presumably came in part from its being unexpected is going to be lost for anyone who read that post.

>>84467926
The Unforgiven is a forgettable John Huston film, I assume you meant Unforgiven.

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>>84466748

>>84468641
You cannot spoil it or there wouldn't be reasons to reread, rewatch or revisit art. You are just out looking for instant gratification, which is, not intellectual.

>>84468664
You would be correct.

for a few dollars more is my personal favourite

Few dollars more>good bad ugly>once upon a time>unforgiven>fistful of dollars>young guns>mclintock

>>84463708
high plains drifter is friggin weird

Don't know about greatest, but damn that ending was brutal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqv3Xs7Bjfs

>>84468672
That doesn't make a lick of sense. Why would I want the first reading to seem like rereading? I regularly check out the whole plot of a movie including spoilers before watching it, but that's my choice. You should hide that stuff with the spoiler tags so people have the option of not finding out.

>>84468797
My issue is with the one fag thinking one bit of information about script in a visual medium somehow makes it unnecessary to watch the film.

It's anti-intellectual

>>84462836
It's not, only normies who have seen about three Westerns in their life think that.

>>84468883
This.

>>84468883
>>84468945
Westerns are not a complicated genre, they are all about the same, and of them, TGTBTU is very obviously the best.

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>>84462836
>Greatest Western

I mean, if were not restricting it to film...

>>84466533
It's just a mashup of Shane and High Plains Drifter

>>84462836
yes it is.

>>84468879
It doesn't make it unnecessary but it ruins the intent of the artist on how it was supposed to be appreciated the first time around. There's a reason why the elements on the plot are arranged in a certain way, and some things are revealed before of after another. You ruin the narrative aspect of the movie by revealing something the filmmaker didn't meant to be revealed beforehand.

>>84468879
Would you want to go into the Usual Suspects knowing who Keyser Soze is beforehand? No, it ruins a crucial plot point on your first viewing. Not knowing lets you fall into the plot twist and makes subsequent viewing all the more interesting as you look for clues

>>84469030
>not a complicated genre
Only someone who hasn't taken the time to find the actual good stuff would say that.

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Best western of the 21st century was a fucking remake
What does that say about the state of the western

And don't say Assassination
That movie was a homo drama and any other definition is wrong

>>84469288
>You ruin the narrative aspect of the movie by revealing something the filmmaker didn't meant to be revealed beforehand.
No you don't, or rewatching, rereading wouldn't have no purpose. If losing a tiny bit of instant gratification loses the meaning and content of the narrative for you then you are just looking for instant gratification and that's not intellectual.

>>84469425
Why would you watch Coen films that references Homer's work without starting with the Greeks first? You've already lost the game with this argument.

If your gain from art is instant gratification then it's anti-intellectual.

>>84469437
whats the good stuff

im not convinced you aren't just being a pretentious hipster and hating for no other reason than its widely regarded as the best

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>>84469480
Were into Neo-Westerns now m8

Also no country

>>84469480
This.

>>84469030
It's a good movie, but to say it's the best shows someone to be a pleb of the genre.

>>84469159
Lonesome Dove was one of the greatest mini-series ever. I loved watching this with my dad.

>>84469570
John Wick isn't a neo-Western.

Don't even reply saying it is: you are wrong and stupid.

>>84469604
its easy to shit on everyone elses opinion while providing none of your own

>>84469570
Empty a six-shooter into your skull.

>>84469651
But no one did shit on your opinion. I admitted it was a good movie. If you can;t even grasp the English language....

>>84463316
No Hombre
Pleb

>>84462866
FPBP

>>84469686
you still havn't given any examples of what you think the best westerns are...

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>>84469570
at least post actual neo-western

>>84463316
>Overrated:
>3:10 to Yuma (modern)
Agreed so much. Garbage movie.

>>84467644
Duck you Sucker is fucking great you retard

>>84469789
its better than the original at least

>>84469570
John Wick has absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely western

It's just a nihilistic series of asskickings
Stylish and fun
But nothing to do with Westerns

>>84463102
I love good and bad but there's something special about tombstone.

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Now I want to go watch this again

>>84469878
Kilmer and Russell were a great combo.

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>>84469734
>capeshit

>>84469911
You mean, capekino.

>>84469907
I thought this was average

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyvzfyqYm_s
Go on, post a better climax than this
You can't

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>>84462866
>>84462836
>>84462936
>>84463033
>>84466933
absolute meme responses

BOW TO THE GOAT

>>84470030
the reveal in this is amazing but overall this is a better scene, and has better music. The bit where clint first enters is as good as it gets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JPnR7C8mZQ

>>84470030
see >>84470065

>>84470101
The Searchers has a better ending (-shot) but not a better climax.
Fantastic film though, good contender

>>84470246
the ending is the climax, how is it not? ?

>>84468163
Get over it, PCfat.

>>84469541
>No you don't, or rewatching, rereading wouldn't have no purpose.
Yes, because that's re-watching and re-reading. There are things that are meant to be appreciated on a first look, and things that are appreciated on further looks. A good artist takes this in consideration and has the narrative work on those levels. If you're jumping one step ahead, you're not appreciating the work as the artist designed it.
Besides, art is not only intellectual but also emotional, which is what I guess you're referring to by "instant gratification". Any true intellectual knows this and doesn't shy away from emotions, specially when it comes to art.

>>84470694
emotion isn't gone once instant gratification is gone, you're like a porn watcher ffs.

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>>84469734

> Capeshit
> Think its neo-western because its a road movie

>>84470735
I never said that.

>>84463141
>the man with no name

He's called Blondie.

>>84470270
They are not necessarily the same thing. Most films have some sort of wrapping up or epilogue of sorts as the ending, while the climax comes before that.

>>84468759
High Plains Drifter is literally a supernatural flick. The guy's a ghost. He comes back, wrecks everyone's stuff, and then goes back from whence he came. Spooky stuff.

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I don't know about best, but Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill made their westerns pretty comfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kZJzyMt-A4

>>84471860
Their Cat Stevens/Hutch Bessy trilogy is fucking GOAT and way underrated.

>>84470030
>frank and harmonica circling around eachother like wild animals to a score that has both their themes combined
Leone was too good for this world.

Are there any other movies that hold up as well as the good the bad and the ugly?

Like, that shit is from the 60s and is still a perfectly good movie to watch, even for people who aren't pretentious as fuck or in film school.

Il Mercenario

>>84462936
That movie is boring

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>>84463033
Sequels aren't awful either

>>84466365
Nine fingered man! Four barreled dillinger!

>>84472544
Ben-Hur, Lawrence of Arabia and Seven Samurai hold up very good in my opinion.

>>84472544
The Apartment was hilarious. Purple Noon was shocking of depravity for a 1960 film. There are so many that stood the test of time.

>>84462836
Because the soundtrack is legendary

its objectively the best western yet to be created

>>84473036
>The Apartment was hilarious
It's a good film, but Some Like It Hot was a lot funnier.

>>84473240
I don't know which was funnier. Both made me laugh heartily and that's well enough by me.

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>>84467925

>>84462836
>Saw this film three years ago
>Still haven't seen a film as good as this since

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>>84469734
>

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>>84462836
It might've already been said, but I prefer For a Few Dollars More

What's the best Western theme?

>>84474339
Why do you even ask that question when the OP already answered it?

>>84463316
None of the ones in overrated deserve to be there. Neck yourself.

>>84463317
>>84467578
Why is that music so nice

>>84474685
Because Ennio Morricone.

It's once upon a time in the West

>>84462836
Blazing Saddles

>>84462836
leave it to the Italians to make a great American western

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>Hell or High Water

>>84477842
/thread

>>84462866
I watched this and now I have doubt that I need to watch the whole film.
https://vimeo.com/58296876

>>84474412
shittest taste

>>84477842
>thread is about good movies
>post this

>>84462836
babby's first spooghetti western

>>84470030
>>84472406
pure westernkino

>>84469734
kill you're self

>>84467979
You sound like a real cunt

>>84470065

Good western, but bloated. Muh John Wayne nostalgia fags need to die off already for the good of the community.

>>84481735
LOL

We can all agree that westerns are the best genre right?


What makes them so comfy and kino?

>>84462836
I REALLY like The Outlaw Josey Wales. Its my favorite Western and my favorite Clint Eastwood movie.

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>>84469570
>>84469734

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>>84462836
>The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

For a few more dollars is the superior movie.

>>84471141
That's just a nickname Tuco gave him.

>>84463316
>Overrated:
>A Fistful of Dollars
>Outlaw Josey Wales
>The Wild Bunch
Neck yourself

>>84477783
This is pretty much how I imagine numales to think masculine men act.

>>84462836
At least pronounce it in its native french, ill cabito ill kativo, ill salazar. You damn phillipstine.

>>84462866
I would agree, if it weren't for the miscast lead.

>>84464256
>>84466933
>>84470065
Also good answers.

>>84486043
My only big problem with A Fistful of Dollars is that I saw Yojimbo first, so being an almost exact remake it didn't hold any real interest.

@84462836
take your chicanoposting back to /int/ dumb namefag

>>84473331
>>84467925
AAAHAHAHA

>>84487202
I saw Seven Samurai before The Magnificent Seven, and M7 was better (because of much better pacing).

>>84462866
this, but my personal favorite is The Great Silence by Corbucci

>>84463316
>Overrated:
>The wild bunch

You're obviously a pleb. This right here the best western of all time without a doubt. Leone can suck dicks.

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mrw i see all these plebs having missed out on C O R B U C C I N O

>read entire thread

>nobody posts Duck You Sucker

>>84489990
>chum chum chum starts playing