so Borden gave Angier a 'false' tip-off about Tesla

>>84413690
Big boss used venom snake as a decoy for the first test of Outer Heaven.

tesla knew what it did, that's why he was hesitant about building a new one

>>84413690
I was always under the impression Borden knew what Tesla's machine can do. He just decided the sacrifice isn't worth the reward and opted to stick to illusions. Then he decides to give Angier Tesla's name, because he knows if Angier goes for it, he will find nothing but misery in the long run.

Are you people retarded? Borden says in the journal that Tesla was a red herring, and he got Angier to seek him out so he'd go home to America and stay there. The fact that Tesla really does build a cloning machine (that was supposed to be a teleporter) for Angier was something he never could have anticipated, because Tesla, again, was a decoy.

This shit is literally spelled out in the film.

Why didnt they clone scarjo and whore the clones out?

>>84418202
This. Pure luck

>>84417368
>>84413690

Tesla made him that shitty machine with coils. Thats it. Just some thing to show off as scientific.

Then Angier with all his wealth goes to Colorado and Tesla actually starts working on an actual device not knowing whether it would work or not. Turns out it worked.

>>84418202

Youre the retard. Its not a "cloning machine". Its actually a teleporter that brings an Angier copy from a parallel universe into this world.

>>84418236

He wasn't an anarcho-capitalist.

The machine never worked. That's the real trick of this film.

>>84413690
Yes, Borden gave him a false tip, pulled from the back of his mind remembering the expo of his they last saw each other.

Tesla didn't turn him away because he needed funds, and was trying to create a teleporter. It was a cloner by accident.

>>84418359

IT WASNT A FUCKING CLONER.

>>84418275
>Its actually a teleporter that brings an Angier copy from a parallel universe into this world.

Haven't seen this one before. Fresh bait?

>>84418396

How old are you?

This was pretty much confirmed by Nolan back in 2006.

>>84418424
Source? Also, that sounds really stupid as there's no functional difference.

>>84418424
sorry kiddo, there's no parallel universes in the nolanverse

>>84418396
Tesla coils and the Philadelphia experiment.

>>84418437
>>84418440

There absolutely is. Just think about it for a second. You clone someone means you clone their matter, yet the "clone" he shot was aware that he was going to get shot, plus he was wearing the same things as Angier.

They were all "Angiers" teleported from a parallel universe.

>>84418555
You just described a clone.

>>84418567

A clone is a genetically identical human, not a LITERAL copy of yourself.

If you clone yourself, your clone wouldnt have your memories, let alone your behaviour.

You people are the most stupid
Motehrfuckers.

The Teslas machine never worked. There are no clones. This is not a Sci fi. You got the equivalent of a cinematic magic trick by Nolan

> but the flashbacks and the clone he shot

All unreliable narrated. They are made up. Nolan is using cinematic technique of false flashback to Trick you and Bale. But at the end he sees through the lie. The tanks. All one big effort to trick him and it almost worked.

>>84418596
Tell us all about your years of cloning experience anon

>>84418322

Yes thank you. One smart person here.

Why did Wolverine shoot Batman instead of using his claws?

>>84418624

>reductio ad absurdum

So you concede. Hope you learned something about The Departed.

In fact Im gonna watch it later today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frzx4a2mTR4

>>84418645
Explanation for this theory? Or is it just memery?

>>84413690
Just watched this movie for the first time yesterday and damn Nolan is one fine writer/director.

>>84418620
lol what?

>>84418680
Now watch Insomnia

>>84418620
>le unreliable narrator
>it was all le dream

Fanfic belongs on tumblr. Please go there

>>84418555
I don't recall the copy of Angier knowing he was going to be shot. He was recoiling in fear and confusion at the sight of himself pointing a gun at him.

>>84418652
>Hope you learned something about The Departed.

???

>>84418673

the clones scene is narrated and fabricated just like the diary scenes. Its essentially what the whole movie is about. Lying to the audience.

There are not transporting anything, the gun doesnt shoot real bullets, the birds do not disappear and come back, etc. The whole movie is about lying to the audience to mask the real trick.
>Now, you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it because, of course, you're not really looking. You don't really want to work it out. You want to be fooled.

>>84418596
Were not talking about genetic cloning, we're talking about copying matter and transporting it on a sub-atomic level. Or essentially copying the contents of a space-time volume.

>>84418596
>cloning works the same way in every piece of fiction ever because I say so

>>84418750
Meh seems like a major asspull and nothing more than fan theory.

it was a sub-atomic hologram, did you even watch the movie?

>>84418750
so how exactly did he present his own dead body to a coroner to get Borden convicted of murder?

>>84418712
this. I hate it. You could possibly argue it was a Star Wars movie if you can't trust the narrator.

>>84418786
Not only that, a debunked fan theory. There's more than enough behind the scenes content with the filmmakers that explain explicitly what's going on, yet retards will make up convoluted theories and treat them as fact in order to seem smarter.

>>84418847
Sounds like all the 'there was no witch' faggots in Blair Witch threads.

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>But of course, you aren't really looking. You want to be fooled

>>84418879
But there wasn't a witch in Blair Witch, it was all just the film crew messing with some kids.

>>84418940
I'm talking about the retard level theory that it was all an elaborate plot between Josh and Mike to murder Heather.

>>84418821

The body double actor from the film that looks Just like Hugh Jackman

>>84418555
>>84418596
>>84418652
get on this reddit spacing

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>>84418993

Yep

He killed his lookalike and framed him. No clones

>>84418881
who dat?

>>84418753
>>84418765

Nolan confirmed the parallel universe theory.

>>84413690
I'm pretty sure even the writers aren't totally sure how everything comes together at the end of this movie. Why didn't Huge Ackman just make an army of clones and use them to take over the world? Seems fairly obvious.

>>84413702
>Big boss used venom snake as a decoy for the first test of Outer Heaven.
It's honestly on that level.

>>84418596
>A clone is a genetically identical human, not a LITERAL copy of yourself.
In the context of this movie, the clones are exact copies. They have the same outfit on and everything. What are you talking about?

>>84419071
Still waiting on that source.

>>84419026
Except the actor used prosthetics to double as Angier. Cutter would've taken one look at the body and known it wasn't really him.

>>84419176
to be fair Angier could have used his wealth to bribe everyone involved to get Borden convicted

>>84413690

I am strongly convinced they made an error while writing the screenplay.

Everything hints that Borden used a tesla machine and decided to let his clone live to perform the trick. Dilemma comes from the fact that Borden chooses to solve the problem by sharing one life as two entities where as Angier solves the Problem by killing himself over and over again. It's to argue who sacrificed more in the end. Anyhow the thing with "a twin brother" feels so.. lazily put in that it takes all the seriousness about the tesla stuff out.
For the twin brother stuff speaks the fact that Cutter did in fact know the "secret" all along and that Angier in his nature was never satisfied with simple answers to problems.

yes I know it's all spelled out in the movie and yidda yadda still feels off to put stuff in that does nothing but enhance runtime

>>84419264
I really liked the secret to Borden's tricks just being a twin brother because it's something so mundane in comparison to the fantastical cloning machine that Angier uses.

>>84419093
>>84419129

Look, he just wanted a clone of his own so that neither of them would be virgins anymore

>>84419198
I guess but nothing in the movie suggests Cutter was in on the revenge plot unless you want to pull the unreliable narrator card.

>>84419333

Yes it just feels natural to give it such a simple solution when all we know and learn about his trick is through Angiers obsessive vision.

>>84418750
What is the clones scene you're talking about? The scene with the water tanks? Because you can't just lie about that and get away with it, the police force and detectives would make Cutter tell them where the warehouse was, and thoroughly remove and inspect everything.

I've read the "machine never worked" theory back to front but it always hinges on unproven and even unlikely things such as "Borden not recognizing it wasn't Angier on stage the night (Root instead) he performs the trick." Whereas Borden would have seen it was Root right away. Or that "Cutter was the real mastermind that forced Angier to absolve himself of Root's murder by making Borden believe the machine worked" but it would never stand up in a court of law or police or any form of public scrutiny.

The real trick of the film is Nolan directing such a convoluted film into tricking the audience there is something deeper than there is when in fact the truth is we should just take the movie at face value (machine worked, clones actually drowned) - as it was in the original book the movie was based on.

>>84413690
It ties in with the movie's theme of the corrupting nature of avarice.

Borden wants to be the best magician in the world. Angier wants to ruin him. Both of them will stop at nothing to achieve these goals. Tesla seeks to change the world. All three of these men think nothing of the consequences it will take to get there. They lie, cheat, steal, and kill to achieve their goals.

So yes, Borden did send Angier on a wild goose chase that accidentally backfired on him. But that's not what's important. The important thing is the connecting thread between these three characters. They're all a dim reflection of each other.

>>84413690
Honestly, Im just happy both this and the illusionist turned out great. Magickino is hard to do (as proven by NYSM)