/who/ - Doctor Who General

Threadly reminder that RTD is a hack

>>84355235
Get in!

Memorable side characters from series 10:
Heather? I think. Razor. Even though he's literally the Master. That's it I think.

Memorable side characters from series 1:
Clive, Cassandra, Charles Dickens, Harriet Jones, Margaret Blaine, Henry Van Statten, Nancy, Dr. Constantine, Lynda with an Y.

What happened

>>84355334
Let's not also forget Jackie and Adam, the former of which was way more integral and involved than, say, Bill's foster mum ever is.

>>84355334
You know that you didn't know what almost all of those characters are until you googled it

>>84355235
more like early edition again.
you realise we hit bump limit at 310 now right?
you made this thread at 307.
And it's not like /tv/ is a super fast board which will kill the old thread in seconds if you don't make a new thread as soon as possible.

>>84355334
Okay, maybe Suchet's character can be counted too.

>>84355390
>Suchet's character
Only if you can remember his name :^)

>>84355388
oh

no

>>84355387
Bullshit. They were all memorable, and not only that but there's a good amount of them.

I can't even name the 2 scientists (midget and hungover) from earlier this series, or any of Bill's house-sharing mates.

>>84355387
>You know that you didn't know what almost all of those characters are until you googled it
You are boardie, are you?

>>84355334
>Memorable side
The only memorable characters are Harret and Cassandra and that's only because they returned in later seasons

>>84355388
weak bait m8

>>84355421
You literally didn't know?
Have you never wondered why the replies number turns italic past a certain number?

>>84355444
Because it isn't.

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leaked clip from series 11

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Capaldi with Bradley from George Baker's Twitter (now deleted)

>>84355439
But each of them is very distinct, with decent memorable roles in their respective episodes.

Fast forward to Knock Knock, and can you name 2 of Bill's housemates without googling them?

>>84355487
Dave, the one that was hitting on Bill

>>84355487
Harry is the one who died on the stairs. Because someone said in the thread that he's connected to Harry Sullivan from the classics.
I swear to god I can't remember the rest.

>>84355486
HYPE
its going to be goat
all of capaldi's christmas specials have been great actually.

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>>84355486

>>84355401
He doesn't have any

>>84355487
Can you nameeverybody that was at Donna's wedding without googling them?
Can you name all of Martha's family without googling them?
Can you name everybody that was at Jackie's wedding without googling them?

>>84355235
W.E. Gladstone was a true liberal with sensible problems. He didn't waste money on expensive imperalist agendas. He had wholesome hobbies such as tree chopping. One of my heroes.

>>84355434
Stop using that word

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GB now thinking its tom rosenthal

>>84352495
This is probably what's going to happen. Like Death In Heaven. I can't see a way to fully reverse her Cyberconversion without going full Cyberwoman and I don't think Moffat will do that.

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>>84355306
u jelly?

>>84355644

Fuck's sake, anyone who denies it on twitter let alone speaks about it is automatically ruled out. They thought it was Mylan even when he'd denied it too.

>Can you name all of Martha's family without googling them?

Tish, Leo

It's incredible how we still have no confirmation on the next Doctor. I mean, my bet's on Marshall personally, but the fact that the BBC have been able to hide this information so well is incredible. They must've really upped their game.

>>84355334
Series 1 was GOAT that's why

>>84355749
>7 minutes later
You googled it retard

Do people unironically think that Bill is as developed character as Martha? Like, really?

>>84355544
>all of capaldi's christmas specials have been great actually.
Last Christmas would've been GOAT if it actually hadn't gone for the fake out and actually had Clara age and leave.
Mysterioso was just ok.

>>84355778
>They must've really upped their game.
But it's actually worse this time, considering we are more sure it's Marshall than we were sure it was Capaldi. How is that upped their game?

>>84355367
I asked this last time you pointlessly posted this picture, and I'll ask it again, is that Rob Shearman to the left? Or just a lookalike?

>>84355778

Well if it is Marshall they haven't really hid it well

>>84355795

Nowhere near, also we see her step mum for about five seconds then never see her again. Might as well not have shown her.

>>84355388
they made the thread 3 posts earlier? holy shit. how will we recover from this

>>84355861
>>84355795
>Implying that Martha was a well developed character

>>84355797
Don't forget Husbands too!

> Last Christmas
Too dreary for my tastes. I found the constant fake-outs more annoying than intriguing

> Husbands
Genuinely enjoyable schlock for the first half (based Nardie), heartfelt second half with a great ending/sendover for River

> Mysterio
Surprisingly entertaining. Was expecting Justin Chatwin to do a shit job but he carried the whole thing. Decent special.

So 2/3 ain't bad in my books. If the grand finale sticks the landing he'll have more good specials than bad (which is more than I can say for Smith).

>>84355486
Isn't Hartnell absent for a few of the episodes in The Tenth Planet? And Capaldi regenerates in the snow.

>yfw during The Tenth Planet 1 is sneaking off to have adventures with 12 so they can both come to terms with their impending regenerations

>>84355888
How wasn't she? Except for marrying Mickey, I have no idea what was up with that except for haphazardly tying up loose ends.

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How has your day been /who/? You watch any good episodes today?

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If it turns out to be Kris Marshall, is it the worst kept secret ever?

>>84355939
Shut up
she's nigress and she was around only for 1 series
shes not developed shes shit and your taste is shit

>>84355943
>eccleston will never return to Who
Why even live?

>>84355928
> First regeneration in general
> First regeneration of a new cycle
> Both old men who are so, so tired

Pottery

>>84355580
>Can you nameeverybody that was at Donna's wedding without googling them?

No, but that's shifting the goalposts. They were literally extras. Bills housemates however were secondary characters supporting an entire plot with Bill.

>Can you name all of Martha's family without googling them?
Tish, Francine... but that's still 2 who are memorable, I can't even remember Bill's mum's name, or her stepmum's.

>Can you name everybody that was at Jackie's wedding without googling them?
See first answer.

Also, nice of you to leave out Rose's family... who were pretty much all memorable, right down to Jackie's baby Tony (because at least it's a funny line you in Journey's End that helps you remember it).

>>84355971
>Around only for one series
This is a valid argument because? So was Donna and (likely) Bill.

>>84355888
She was.It was a different time back then. Characters mattered. Even blacks.They were more than just statements about racisms and gayness

>>84355928
He's absent for episode 3 only, but shown to be sleeping/resting.

The only time he has a 'gap' is his lone stumble back to the TARDIS at the end.

>>84355986
I'll be disappointed if we don't see 1st Doctor in the Christmas special desu

>>84355943
No, but I'll probably make time to re watch WEAT for the 50,000th time tonight

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>>84355903
>Don't forget Husbands too!
I didn't. I just agree that it was great.

>>84356037
I need to rewatch it, I didn't really like it when I first watched it but I need to see if it was just my autism over spare parts probably no longer being canon or if my other criticisms of the episode still hold up, probably going to be the first time I rewatch a nuwho ep in years.

>>84356035
It's a pipedream, but having 12 regenerate into 13 and 1 regenerate into 2 in the same episode would be kino as fuck

>>84356007
fuck OFF
she was literal nigress nobody remembers her
she has no character traits no developement you retard

>>84356035
Plus, it'd open up the door to getting other classic Doctors appearing recast in future episodes (most of the excuses as to why the actors are visibly older are very flimsy). Sean Pertwee and Sam Troughton would be perfect.

>>84356110
??????
Did you even watch series 3?
She had way better development than Rose (although Rose is a far better character), she progressed to loving the Doctor realistically.

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>>84356031
>He's absent for episode 3 only, but shown to be sleeping/resting.
It's been a long time since I've seen the episode, but he's sleeping alone in a room right? 12 could materialise the TARDIS there, pick him up, and drop him off later. It's ridiculous, but it's plausible.

Personally, I'd rather it not literally be 1 and rather some sort of mental manifestation of him. That way it'd explain why he doesn't look like Hartnell and frees them up to do just about anything.

>>84356096
I'm already picturing that 12 is at the south pole in the scene we've seen, so while he's stumbling out of the TARDIS and regenerating, 1 is not far away stumbling into his TARDIS and regenerating.

>>84355795
>Martha
This is bait, right? Martha is literally the blandest companion of nuWho, and that includes every one episode companion.

>>84356095
Spare Parts is still canon.

The colony ship originally had only 20 Mondasians. All the other Mondasians remained on Mondas and still became Cybermen.

>>84356176
Stop responding to somebody whose entire argument is just a racial slur.

>>84356186
Yeah I'm just being autistic it's either that or the episode just didn't click for me like it did for everybody else

>>84356176
Why would I watch whatever RTD shat out you retard
I skimmed through most of the episodes and concluded that shes shit and not memorable at all
>rose is a good character
hahaahahahah
>progressed
hahahaahahah

>>84355850
They cloned him in an attempt to get him to write another TV script

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>>84356096
>>84356183
HYPED for Christmas special.

>>84356185
She is bland but most people are. She had a real life, not just a paper thin surface like Bill.

>>84356110
She's a medical student with an overbearing mum, a dad who's seemingly buggered off with a yappy blonde; in her third episode she refuses to put up with the doctor's bullshit and demands some answers as to who he is; she's smart enough to hold her own when seperated from the Doctor; her being black is only ever mentioned once which is way better than Bill's racial/sexuality handling; she's caring towards Creet and literally walks the planet in vain to tell people about the Doctor.

Bill serves chips, is generally nice, has generic friends suddenly for just one episode, has a dead mum, a stepmum, and reminds everyone she's a lezzer. And gets turned into a Cyberman.

>>84356185
the actress was fucking awful too
literally one facial expression the entire series

Who here /still reads it as mon-daze-ian and prefers it that way/ ?

>>84356215
>Literally admitting you skimmed
Why are you even bothering arguing then? RTD was way better than Moffat.
>Rose isn't a good character
Why has every other companion since her except Martha and Bill completely mimicked her then?
>Didn't progress
Again, you outright said you didn't even watch most of it, so you're clearly the expert.

>>84356206
Very true

>>84356183
You're spot on. I wouldn't put it past Moffat to just have 1 wander right out of episode 3, and put it down to very slight rewriting of history, but I also hope it's more of a manifestation thing.

>>84356278
>She's a medical student
lol great character

>>84355486
Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of other actors playing established Doctors? I mean, it's bad enough for Hartnell that he had to surrender the role he originated to Troughton. Now he has multiple other actors encroaching on his own specific incarnation. Feels wrong.

>>84356306
Me.

Sounds better.

Whatever next? People saying "Tell-oss-ians"? kek

>>84356265
Bill's had a real life. A pretty miserable one growing up as an orphan, then a grotty job serving chips in a college canteen.

>>84356340
>lol great character

I mean, fine, ignore everything else. But even her being a medical student means she has aspirations, a career goal - and her shitty family seem to want to drag her down.

Bill... serves chips, becomes a student and then that whole lecturer/student thing is literally forgotten about half way through the series and uhhhh...

>>84356370
Now she's been cybered. Rough economy. Poor lass.

>>84356312
>completely mimicked her then
How? Besides falling in love with the doctor, I can't think of anything else

>>84356312
>RTD is better than moffat
hahaha faggot go fuck yourself
moffat writes top tier characterkino when you russel faggot t davies writes cheap soap for little girls why would I watch that shit you moron
you are trying so hard to defend shit

Arguing over which character is more memorable having watched one's series multiple of times over years and watching another's once is kind of silly

>>84356370
>A pretty miserable one growing up as an orphan
What happened to her dad? How long has she been with her stepmum? How did her mum die?

I'm not saying they need to tell us everything, but give us some meat on the bones Moff.

>>84356370
You don't see how being an orphan has affected her aside from fetishizing her mum and the chip job is only shown twice

>>84356344
If they ever say that on TV and it isn't teh-low-zian I'm literally dropping the show

>>84356396
Doctor Who? More like Doctor Poo

>>84356342
He left intentionally due to his failing health and disagreements with the producers and personally recommended Troughton. Bradley does a good job as him.

>>84356342
No, I'm the same. Hurndall was crap but sort of forgivable because The Five Doctors was just a long fannish parade. But I don't like the idea of Bradley as 1 at all.

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KEK

If 12 used Cacelious' face to remind him to save people, why does 1 have murderer and rogue trader Solomon's face? I DEMAND ANSWERS /WHO/

>>84356342
I agree, Bradley neither looks nor sounds like Hartnell

>>84356395
Doctor--Donna and Clara basically becoming the Doctor are both Bad Wolf rehashes, along with all the other series arc words (Torchwood was the only one that worked IMO and that's because it was ridiculously obvious from TCI)

>It's not an exodus
Oh fuck
>It's a genesis
Oh shit
>Pause
Is he gonna-
>The genesis of the Cybermen
UHH DADDY I'M CUMMING

>>84356515
Just forget that "faces arent random but they have purpose", it's worst bullshit new doctor who have ever came up with

>>84356515
David Bradley didn't play the First Doctor anon, that was William Hartnell.

>>84356527
He definitely sounds off but he looks near-identical in costume.

>>84356573
I think you missed the joke, anon.

DB will be playing 1 at Christmas.

>>84356544
>Clara becoming The Doctor is a Bad Wolf rehash
Jesus Christ that's reaching

I suppose Amy is another Rose as well

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>GENESIS OF THE CYBERMEN
>STOMPING
>ROBO VOICE FILTER
>FLYING
>BILL'S CRYING EYE

The Poo
Shit
Thin Shite
Crap Crap
Defecation
Excrement
The Discharge at the Bottom of the Toilet
Shit of the Sewer
Empress of Feces
The Eaters of Shite
Fecal Matter and Dung
The Doctor's Poo Falls

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>>84356614
Uhhhhhh....

>>84356655
Uhhhhh what? Exactly what I said.

>>84356616
Nah

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>>84356644
HOLD ON
YOU'RE TELLING ME THE NEXT EPISODE IS CALLED 'DOCTOR POO AND THE MOND-ASS-IAN DIAPERMEN?'

>>84356704
He looks okay but not near-identical. (Unless by your logic, everyone looks near-identical if they put the same costume on)

>>84356644
>Crap Crap

Plop Plop would have been better

>>84356723
Okay, not near-identical but good enough in my book.

>>84356460
Bradley's performance was good in An Adventure in Space and Time, but it was clear that he decided to focus more on being believable emotionally and less on imitating Hartnell. Having him show up in Doctor Who itself, he needs to be more accurate.

Also, I don't think you can call a departure "intentional" if it's due to failing health reasons. The producers did a good job of allowing him to leave with dignity, but he was going whether he wanted to or not.

>>84356764
Fair enough. Bradley is about 20 years older too, and it shows, so some suspension of disbelief is required.

A thought though: if he's showing up during Tenth Planet, the 1st Doctor was frail and wearing thin anyway so maybe Bradley will pull it off.

What if Simm's Razer disguise reasoning implies that one of his unseen Master shenanigan adventures involved him trying to pull the Prime Minister trick on Mondas too at some point

>>84356342
>had to surrender the role he originated to Troughton
It wasn't nowhere near as dramatic as in that movie, anon. Hartnell wasn't fired, he left on his own, and he recommended Troughton as his replacement in the first place.
Hartnell will always be the real 1st Doctor, regardless of how many other actors take on the role, but this is a case of the character outgrowing the actor. Do you suppose they should retire Darth Vader once James Earl Jones kicks the bucket?

>>84356777
He could've quit a lot earlier (IIRC they were writing ways to replace him with another actor if need be in the stories as early as Season 2) and I think hey probably could've stayed on a bit longer, but you're right. He went out at the right time IMO.

>>84356933
When did they try to write him out in Season 2? I knew they did in Season 3 (specifically with the Celestial Toymaker), but the former is news to me.

>year 2017
>we still dont have a character who topped wilf

>>84357041
If Brian Williams had appeared a couple more times, he could've come close.

Why don't they just get Hartnell as a hologram and get William Russel to voice him?

>>84357086
by the way he created by chris chibnall
feels good

>>84357041
jesus christ anon, it's a family show. they can't have someone top wilf on-screen

I do agree that wilf's definitely a bottom though

>>84356989
I read somewhere in The Space Museum they scripted but didn't film a sequence where some artefact or machine or something changes his body, I may be wrong though.

>>84357115
KEK

>>84357114
True. There's some hope! :)

>>84356420
>>84356429
This. There is no connection with a real life, just enough to hint at it from time to time. Moffat can't or don't write characters. He only care about the dramatic scenes, but dramatic scenes are flat without characters you connect with and care about. The only characters he can make are those that are just comic relief. That doesn't need any depth.

The good thing with Moffat is that he is so bad that you can learn a lot from how he do things. He is like George Lucas in a way.

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>>84357115

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>tfw you've just started anther hartnell watchthrough and will be done in time for the christmas special
feels comfy

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Lit up the pic, IT'S FUCKING BRADLEY SPREAD IT AROUND SO BEEBS ANNOUNCE HIM

>>84357151
I invested in Donna as a person because we saw her interrupt her travels briefly to go home, talk it over with an astonished Wilf, keep the secret from her mum, etc. She felt real in a way that Bill, for example, doesn't (IMO). Bill feels much more like a character that they tag bits on to in the hope that people care about her. Her mum only comes up when the plot needs an emotional moment. Same with Clara - her gran only popped up twice, when the episode wanted a moment of sadness or whatever. Whereas I felt like, watching Donna, you felt that Wilf was back home waiting for her to come back, and her mum was probably wondering where she was, etc. I don't get any of that from Bill's stepmum, or Clara's family, and hell Amy gets her parents back in a very emotional finale but then they never pop up or get mentioned ever again.

>>84357041
>Wilf
>Lynda
>Harriet Jones
Why are all the temp companions the best?

>>84357318
Because RTD tried with characters and Moff clearly doesnt

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wew, the BBC released an official promo pic with filming equipment clearly visible in the shot

>>84357385
I like the Cyberman chilling in the background just having a chat

>>84357318
Lynda and Harriet Jones were little shits

>>84357318
>adam
Yes.

>>84357311
Exactly. It is the same with Clara and Amy, but he at least tried to make Clara have a relationship and Amy had Rory. But they never felt connected with the world. Amy was alone, and Clara... I have no fucking idea what that mess was. The problem with Clara was that her relationship just seemed strange since she was so alien without connections. But that might be just my interpretation since I didn't care for her at all.

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>>84357385

>guy literally pulls off a rubber mask and reveals that he was actually the Master the whole time
the episode was going so well until this ass pull of a twist.

>>84357545
What's wrong with that?

>>84357536
never noticed that before

oops!

>>84357545
It was homage to classic master who did disguises for fun

>>84356853
What if Mondas is just Earth again but from the future

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So the hand regenerating in the Next Time trailer is clearly the Doctor healing his hand with some energy. Maybe the whole process has begun at this point, and he uses a bit but holds it off (hence 'nooooo' cos he still wants more time)

>>84357576
It ruined the tension the episode had been buidling up, took away from the cyberman reveal and pretty much promised the next episode will focus on the master/mistress.

>>84356863
>Do you suppose they should retire Darth Vader
Yes

Why did the Mondasian crew even settle in the far end of the ship to begin with? Why didn't they just walk back?

>>84357545
That's exactly the kind of thing the Master would do, though.

>>84357664
It will be explained later

>People actually want a return to EastEnders in space
Jesus Christ

>>84357644
Maybe regeneration is like edging, and he was trying to stop himself from fully committing to the regeneration.

>>84357727
No, people just want a return of realistic and relatable characters.

>>84357427
Lynda was characterkino

>>84357752
In space

>>84357727
Mate
Even Hartnell era had better characters because Ian and Barbara were worrying about real world and their reactions to space stuff happening was realistic

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>>84357427
>Not liking Lynda

why are we on page 10 lads

>>84357752
I hate this "relatable character" meme I mean why the fuck do you need to relate to a person in the TV what are you fucking autistic?
All that matters is the story

Im going to be honest the ''eastenders in space'' thing is what made the show great, how wacky tennant was jumping all over the place talking nonsense and technobabble. People loved that and it's what made them tune in every weak. RTD wasn't afraid to bring in weird aliens and monsters and went truly dark but had an overall balance of excitement and fun.

Moffat made everything too serious and now it just looks like 1000 other generic dark brooding sci fi shows.

Bring on Chibnall.

>>84357805
Clara had a real world boyfriend all through S8 and the whole point of the car accident was to kill off all her ties with the real world and convince her to make The Doctor her new life, setting into motion her arc for S9 as she becomes more and more reckless and like the doctor

>>84357842
They stopper letting jannies delete threads, now they can only autosage them. They're doing this a lot.

>>84357842
Spooky isn't it?

>>84357894
So you're fine with cyphers, 2D characters, non-entities, etc? Don't you want actual real-feeling characters to invest in?

Why would anyone give a shit about Bill being turned into a Cyberman if she's a fucking non-entity?

>>84357894
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama

>>84357926
Wait what the fuck why we're on autosage what did we do?

>>84357915
I'd agree with you. RTD Who was pretty much 'drama with sci-fi trappings'; Moffat Who is 'sci-fi fantasy'... even when they do land on Earth, it doesn't quite feel 'real' in the same way RTD's Earth did.

GUYS WE'RE GONNA FUCKING DIE

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>autosage

Is this how /who/ dies lads?

>>84357982
The worst thing is that it doesn't even feel special compared to other 'sci-fi' tv shows. CW Legends of Tomorrow is the same thing, wacky characters in timey wimey setting with sci-fi.

Holy shit dead thread, dead show

Nu thread when?

BBC don't need to announce Bradley. We'll see him in a few days in the Christmas special anyway.

>autosaging /who/

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>84357750
>tfw I made the same comment a couple of days ago

>>84358033
SO MUCH MORE

>>84355388
I BET THIS WAS YOUR FAULT YOU FUCKING CUNT

I wonder if they'll give us a sneak preview of Bradley and do another

INTRODUCING DAVID BRADLEY
as
THE FIRST DOCTOR

>>84358147
Fans on twitter

''I thought Christopher Eccleston was the first Doctor?''

Why are they making us autosage at 176.

We're two threads away from dying

>>84358174
Fans on GB

"How can they 'introduce' someone as the First Doctor when that was clearly William Hartnell? WTF."

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Sometimes I think /who/ lives too long
t. mods

>>84358194
Because the janitors are cucks
>they do it for free

>>84358194
They be hatin

NEW
>>84358285
>>84358285

Good thread guys

>>84358304
new>>84358304
>>84358304

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>endless kino threads are allowed
>a tv show general is autosaged in their impotent rage over inability to delete it
Truly cucks.

>>84358302
>>84358309
FOR FUCKS SAKES

>>84357970
Jannies culling generals.

>>84358142
>(You)
>tfw I killed /who/

>>84358406
If they don't want generals in tv, they should make /tvg/. Until then they can fuck off.

>>84358302
>>84358309
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>84358443
Based.