>mfw everybody knows deep down that the eagles are a

why didn't they just fly?

>>84352741
The eagles were busy dealing with shit in their own territory.

>mfw op doesn't know what a plothole is

I can't even be bothered posting a pic, this is more than (You) deserve

>>84352741
the eagles would have been killed by the big black flying things

if you use hobbits you can sneak in, which they did

this is the worst maymay

>>84352857
no one knew the fell beasts existed in the first film

>>84352741
Eagle can't read maps, they wouldn't know how to get there

The eagles aren't animals but sentient creatures.
They would have just as easily been tempted by the ring as any man.
It's almost like you don't even get the basic theme of LOTR.

>>84353127

How do you put a ring on a wing?

>>84352741
The eagles feared they would be corrupted by the ring

>>84352741
>Giant eagle flies over Mordor
>Sauron immediately notices as soon as they fly over the black gate and sends the Witch King to kill it and bring the ring back
Wow, nice plan

>>84352741
>>84352753
It's because the eagles take it easy. Frodo and crew were already gone, and the eagles don't typically act until there's a peaceful easy feeling, which wasn't possible with the ring present. The eagles are skittish, and they considered that the ring gave Frodo so-called lying eyes. Despite that, the king of the eagles, a desperado, said "One of these nights, when the witchy woman sleeps, I will take it to the limit. I'll be a midnight flyer, and by the tequila sunrise, I'll rescue Frodo and give him the best of my love."

That eagle was brutally killed by the other eagles, because he broke the rule to "take it easy."

Additionally I think one of main themes of the book were people who could intervene and end evil before it took root, but don't for various as some kind of lesson about inaction

>>84353192
>by the tequila sunrise
what did he mean by this

>>84353190

All the ring wraiths are abroad looking for the ring. It's the perfect time to fly the ring in. Right over their heads.

>>84353165
talons negro

the ring also adjusts to fit whatever

>>84353165
Did you miss the part where the ring changes size to the wearer?
Also obviously they'd put it on their very large talons.

>>84353165
Remember Boromir was tempted by the ring without wearing it.

>>84353190
bravo, because as we all know the only way to fly over the mountains of mordor is over the fucking black gates

seriously are you retarded

>eagles fly to mordor
>sauron sees them 100 miles away
>sends the nazguls and the orcs shoot them down the if they get close to the ground
>???
>sauron has the ring
Epic

>>84353225
there's still the ocean of orc archers

>>84353245
>>84353249

Well that size-changing property is VERY convenient....

>give ring to eagle
>sauron immediately corrupts ring bearer
>eagle flies straight to sauron

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You think you are wise, Shekelberg, yet for all your subtleties you have not wisdom. Do you think the shareholders of the White Tower™ are blind? I have seen more than you know. With your left hand you would use me as a write-off against Mordor©. And, with your right, you seek to do a hostile takeover! I know who files with Théoden of Rohan, LLC. Oh, yes. Words have reached my ears of this Aragorn, inheritee of Arathorn, and I tell you now: I will not bow to this investor from Wall Street, last of a ragged corporation long bereft of assets!

Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the majority shareholder, CFO!

The stocks of Gondor Inc. are mine! And no others'!

>>84353284
it also adjusts it's weight on the fly too! its almost like its magic or something!!

>>84353289
that's interesting because not a single person who wears the ring wants to bring it to sauron. gollum had it for 500 years and just hid in a cave

>>84353257
Sauron would've noticed no matter which way they came. I was using the black gates to make a point. It stands if it's the mountains or whatever. The point is Mordor is a fortress crawling with enemies. Flying into it is very visible and there's no way in hell that Eagle is making it to Mount Doom unscathed. The only reason they did in the book was because Sauron and his army were distracted.

>>84353165
it goes on the talon you ninny

>>84353284
Yeah it's almost like how a ring sized to fit a Maiar can also fit a man.

>>84353289
Just have Frodo hold the ring and the eagle hold Frodo

>>84353261
>>84353268

You fly high high above the clouds and come straight down from directly above Mt Doom. Hot drop right at the entrance.

Flawless.

>fly you fools
what did he mean by that?

>>84353317
because the ring wanted to hide

then frodo is corrupted and wants to take it to sauron at the end

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why not just kill ring rats

>>84353324
they are eagles. they fly. the only defense sauron has against that is the fellbeasts and archers.

just fucking fly higher than the arrows and that's pretty much it, the fellbeasts can't teleport so who gives a shit about them

>>84353334
there are a hundred different ways the ring itself could foil that plan

>>84353334
What about the literal army of orcs at said entrance?

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If the ring can change size, why not just let the moth take it to Mordor?

>>84353329
the ring got boromir all crazy and he never touched the ring at any point

eagles would be nothing in comparison

>>84352741
>eagles fly in
>orcs spots them
>go stand in the entrance
>'oh fug :DDDD' in the eaglish

>>84353334
>>84353370
You guys realise the caldera of Mount Doom is inactive, right? You need to enter through the open cut door in the side to access the lava. That's where your plan fails because that door has a thousand orcs in front of it the moment an Eagle comes into view on the horizon

>>84353357
stop making shit up. frodo says the ring is "his," he's not bringing it to sauron like some fucking ring bearing ups person

>>84353381

Put the ring in a locked box and leave the key in Rivendell, so once you finish the eagle hot drop you are immune from putting it on even if you want to. Then just throw the box into the lava.

>>84353400
the ring changes size of it's own volition

>>84353394
oh yeah that massive army that hadn't been called to the black gates and was totally guarding mount doom when frodo and sam got there

oh wait

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>>84353400
Just let a horse eat it

>>84353430
you never read the book, did you

the ring gets people to think they're in control, its a magic con artist

you're a post-baneposter, you should see the parallels here.

>>84353424

The Eagles cause a diversion with an aerial display while the hobbits crawl past under elven cloaks and just look like boulders.

>>84353268
Arrows only go so high. Unless they have infinite range in Tolkien universe.

>>84352753
they tried but got so nervous that they threw up their campbell's chunky soup

that's why they have sproles now, to try and sneak in to win

>>84353469
>the ring gets people to think they're in control, its a magic con artist

oh yea like how gollum had it for 500 fucking years and nothing happened

tolkientards are so fucking retarded it's unbelievable

>yfw these idiotic threads are the closest thing to discussion on summer /tv/

>>84353441
Wat. Are you a fucking idiot? The point of the eagles is to avoid the dangerous trek across the entire continent. If you don't send the eagles with Frodo until the army is called to the Black Gates, then you've saved no time or danger.

>>84353444
>orcs searching through a pile of horse shit looking for the ring like the phone in jurassic park 3

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why didnt the ringbearer just cut their fingers off so they couldnt use the ring?

>>84353498
because the ring wanted to hide

>>84353515
cock ring

>>84353515
he'd put it on his toes

>oi Frodo you little shithead just drop your life and go on a quest to the Elf capital
>b-b-but
>Fly, you fool!
What did Gandalf mean by this?

>>84353498
it got him to murder his brother so only one person would know the location of or who had the ring

because it wanted to hide

why don't you nigs just read cliffnotes if you need to write a book report on LOT

>>84353528
>>84353529
there are 2 kinds of /tv/ posters

>>84353525
you can keep making up bullshit all you want but that isn't stated anywhere in the books or movies.

it didn't need gollum to hide, because it was at the bottom of a lake for 2,000 years

>>84353515
hobbit arms were about the size of sauron's finger when he lost the ring

What would have happened if Frodo didn't decide to be ring bearer, but just went home?

Who would have ridden the eagles?

Why didn't some wizard just make it rain over sauron eye? The water extinguishes the fire eye, sauron can't see shit anymore, and they can safely walk into Mordor unnoticed.

They didn't fly it straight to the volcano because they couldn't afford the departure tax at first.

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Why do you anons want to kill me?

All I want to do is make middle earth great again

If you work for me I'll let you have elves as sex slaves

>>84353587
>OH SHIT A LIGHT DRIZZLE
-Sauron, dark lord of the realms

>>84353574
>making up bullshit
>citing the book/movie directly

... is this one of those things where you're seeking negative attention because its better than being ignored?

>>84353555
>2 kinds
>both posts are ironic shitposts

unless putting it on his toes would be an actual option, and if so tolkiencucks should go back to reddiт

I agree, Tolkien couldn't write for shit
At least the worldbuilding was good

>>84353441
Sauron didn't even imagine someone wanting to destroy the ring, hence why mount doom was unguarded
That bonus is completely lost if he sees a couple of eagles flying in his direction

>>84353587

Legitimate good point. Or at least a lot of fog to reduce vision.

So many plot holes.

>>84353621
go ahead and find where it says that the ring wanted to hide lol. the fucking thing was already hiding you idiot

>>84353638
not a plot hole. This was never established

>>84353637
he did though. He thought aragorn and crew had the ring, hence the huge response to their presence at the black gate.

What he didn't account for was the idea someone mostly uncorruptable had already gotten past most of his defenses and was climbing mount doom.

want to see how poorly written these books are? i want tolkien fags to explain exactly what the rings powers were.

(watch how many different explanations there are, it's all vague bullshit and everyone has their own explanation)

>>84353648
until it was found by two proto-hobbits.

and at this point it seems more like you were assigned LotR as a book report.

>>84353687
Good point friend.

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Why did they run away at the end of the first movie? Legolad or Aragorn alone could have BTFO that small group of orcs on their own.

>>84353699
it amplified the innate natures of whomever wore it

>>84353598
DONE

>>84353710
so the ring hides at the bottom of a lake for 2,000 years and then it wants to be found by two hobbits just to have one of them...go fucking hide in a cave for another 500 years?

bravo

>>84353710
is that what these threads are? illiterate faggots trolling for answers to easy questions?

>>84353598
How can anyone refuse this ?

Why didn't they put the ring on a guided missile and send it off straight to Mount Doom? The ring can't corrupt something that isn't alive, so problem solved.

>>84352741
how far can an eagle actually carry a person

might be they get tired after like ten minutes

>>84353687
>WOULD TEH LAAARD, OF BLACK LANNNDS, COME FAAAARTH
what did he mean by this

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Right wraith 2 feet away from ring when its calling to Frodo,, literately gives up and storms off for some reason.

What the actual fuck? And you pussies are arguing about an eagle not being able to fly through the sky at like 100 mph at night and do a stealth dive bomb, and have Gandalf do the rest. Because they'd be detected? PLease. Sauron basically looked right at frodo on the killing fields with his eyeball flashlight and did nothing, even though he was suspicious. Fuck you, suck a balrogs flaming dick.

>>84353796
the ring can't control where the water takes it.

it can control people though

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if elves are so old and great why they are still live in the middle-ages? Are elves niggers of middleearth?

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How did Gollum know Bilbo had the ring?
Why didn't he try to get it back for himself?
How did Sauron find out Gollum had had the ring?
How did Sauron find and capture Gollum?

>>84353821
ring's abilities are weaker the further from mount doom it is

>>84353638
I think saurons eye was magical enough to see through some fog and to be immune to rain.

>>84353855
negro its fucking clear you're writing a book report

>>84353882
>i think

>>84353699
If(Hobbit) invisibility;
Else superpowers;

>>84353855
>How did Gollum know Bilbo had the ring?
he lost the ring and then realized bilbo had the ring in his pocket after playing the riddle game
>Why didn't he try to get it back for himself?
he did, he tried to find bilbo. the only thing he knew about bilbo was "bilbo" and "shire" so he had to track him down. doesn't make much sense why it took him 60+ years to do this though.
>How did Sauron find out Gollum had had the ring?
gollum went to mordor for some reason i forgot and he got captured and they tortured him until he told them he had the ring and then bilbo took it
>How did Sauron find and capture Gollum
how do you think gollum knew about the stairs? he used them before to sneak into mordor for...some reason, and then he got captured

>>84353914
nope. isildur tries to put the ring on to go invisible and escape when he was attacked by orcs.

>>84353914
everyone gets the same powers. you just need to know magic to figure out how to use them.

are the nazgul the most worthless evil characters in history? one of them is right next to the ring and just sniffs around.... and then on weathertop 4 or 5 of them attack the hobbits, see the fucking ring, and then they get scared away by aragorn. after that they get thrown around by a fucking wave. and we're supposed to believe these are extremely dangerous evil characters lol?

>>84353444
Not a good idea, I think it was mentioned somewhere that the ring can easily dominate the minds of beasts.

>>84354144
but they squeeeee so fearsomely

>>84353290
not bad /pol/ i keeked

>he doesn't know the difference between a plothole and a deus ex machina

>>84353957
Those weren't orcs, they were tanned elves.

>>84354478
>tanned elves

what would a black elf be called? jamalolas? laquandriel?

Why didn't they share the load

>>84352975
the eagles did

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>>84353249

>>84352741
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>>84354540
>laquandriel
top fucking kek

>>84354540
De'Luthien Theranduiliscious, son of Nerdanelaqueesha

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>>84354803

>>84353914
Kind of. The Ring kind of amplifies the innate personality (potency) and desires of the person wearing it. So when Isildur wore it to try and escape the ambush, it turned him invisible because he wanted to get away. The reason it seems to cause Hobbits to turn invisible is because they innately don't want to be seen in dangerous situations so they can sneak away.

If Gimli had put that shit on, who knows what would've happened.

>>84354836
>*becomes 6'5"*

>>84353290
10/10 quality post. Keep the dream alive, anon. This meme is gold. Too bad it was cast before swine who are too dumb to appreciate it.

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>it's a jackson seems to think that elves are vulcans episode

>>84352741
Why didn't they just nuke Mordor? Hell, put the ring on the nuke too.

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>>84352741
>mfw this thread works everytime

>>84353847
That's a good question, you'd think that beings who are immortal would advance in technology. I think the answer lies in the immortality though. The elves having a hierarchy with the oldest at the top presumeably, they don't want to change but stay the same. Similar to how old people are hesitant to adapt to new technologies. The old elves are in power and effectively halting progress. Saruman showed some interest in futurization with his industrial approach in making Uruks and making gunpowder.
Saruman is the future, he's the good guy.

>>84353598
wtf I love Sauron now!

>>84355056
That's because LotR threads are comfy as fuck. No one actually thinks the eagle thing is a plot hole.

>>84355176
Yet no other LotR threads top 50 replies

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Why didn't Sauron's forces just stay on top of the wall and shoot down arrows?

>>84355212
You don't get replies on this board unless you start your thread with some stupid bait. Everyone knows that.

>>84355229
Why didn't Sauron fire a laser from his eye Shin Gojira style?

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>>84355229
Why didn't Aragorn use this tactic?

>>84353932
Gollum went to Mordor because Sauron's Will was drawing all wicked creatures there. Something like that anyway.

>>84352741
The biggest plot hole of them all is that Morgoth will return no matter what and the whole ring quest was for nothing.

What is this Nazgul bullshit? The Eagles fucked them up every time they met, you though the Nazgul was playa, what you didn't realize is the Eagles is a pimp

>>84355267
They had shitty small shields or no shields at all.
They would have gotten BTFO. They also brought no siege equipment. Wtf were they thinking? Even with it those walls are too high to climb and look made of metal so gl trying to break them down.

>>84353400
There wouldn't be a single sweater without holes on the entire continent.

>>84355363
Morgoth himself can't return. It's just that his general essence still remains in the form of evils in the world.

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Why not give Tom Bombadil the ring?

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>>84353290

>>84355559
Bombadil won't go beyond the borders of his domain.

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>>84355691
I can see why

>>84355719
>spends all winter slamming dat river pussy

Bombadil is truly the most alpha of all Tolkien characters.

>>84353284
This isn't Game of Thrones you unimaginative faggot
Leave your meta reddit storytelling sensibilities at the door and you'll actually get a lot out of these FANTASY movies.

>>84355519
Dagor Dagorath. Morgoth will return, the Silmarills will be recovered, Feanor will be released and hand them out to the Valar and in the end beaten by Turin.

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>>84355559

>>84355811
Didnt he find her when she was a child? Kinda creepy if you ask me...

>>84352741

The eagles are literally deus ex machina. They are no taxies. They´ll only act if the gods order them to.

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Are there pixies in Middle Earth?

>>84355884
I mean they're both immortal earth spirits so I don't think it matters too much.

>>84355993

Pixies was the name of one of the many Sprite-kinds of ancient Arda, as recorded in the earliest forms of Tolkien's Mythology.
It is not clear as to what they were or did but were probably similar to all the other the Sprites, who were known for dwelling in or close to the many landforms and for growing things in the early days of Arda.

>Source: The History of Middle-earth, Vol. 1: The Book of Lost Tales Part One, III: "The Coming of the Valar and the Building of Valinor"

>>84353192
Ultra-cringe

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>>84353515
Or better yet train a homing pigeon to eat the ring and fly right into the volcano.

>>84356976 was meant for >>84353444

>>84356750
Neat

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Why didn't they put a lock on the ring?

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Why didn't Hitler just take a plane to Moscow?

>Ctrl f "flat middle earth"
>0 results found
The eagles couldn't fly too high because of the dome. Are you guys going to ignore that the Earth is flat in that universe?

>>84352741
the eagle don't give a shit about humans or elves or anything

>>84353192
I want this to be added to the pasta wall to be remembranced.

>>84353245
why didnt the ring just fit itself to the planets size, by extension everyone would be wearing it including voldemort

Why didn't they just melt mithril and then put the ring in a glob of that stuff?

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>>84357270
The ring blinded them

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>the (((eagles)))

>>84353290
Well done.

>>84354836
if wearing the ring turns you invisible... couldn't one of them just wear it all the way to mount doom then take it off right on the ledge?

>>84357850
If I remember right putting on the ring immediately gives away the position of the wearer to Sauron and his servants.

>>84355212
this one did

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Why didn't they just bury the ring under Tom Bombadil's house?
What were the ringwraiths gonna do... invade in Tom Bombadil's house?

>>84358286
Sauron was still a threat and was amassing an army even without the ring. Destroying the ring destroyed Sauron.

>>84354836
>Kind of. The Ring kind of amplifies the innate personality (potency) and desires of the person wearing it. So when Isildur wore it to try and escape the ambush, it turned him invisible because he wanted to get away. The reason it seems to cause Hobbits to turn invisible is because they innately don't want to be seen in dangerous situations so they can sneak away.
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>>84352741
>he never read the books

>>84352804
The only needed like 3-4 to take them near mordor

Sauron had an air fleet

>>84353424
Thank you for teaching me a new word anon.

Could a wizard levitate the ring to Mordor?

Why didn't Elton take the ring from Isildur and throw it in the volcano

>>84359015
He was in his rocket

>>84353598
elves a shit, where are my entwives?

>>84353847
Their civilization only looks roughly medieval at first glance. Their advanced crafts, much of which are what we would consider magic, enable them to have standards of living comparable to ours today. Also, them being immortal makes squeezing the maximum quality of life out of every single year less important to them than it is to us. An elf can spend 100 years living in some shack by a swamp if he wants to, it's not like he would be wasting his whole life by doing so.

>>84359057
Dead

I'm happy eagleposting is on the rise again

why didn't they just give back the ring to gollum so he can go fuck off and hide in a cave with it

>>84358410
You didn't have to sperg out that much. We all know it's bait. It gets posted in every single one of these threads.

>>84359133
How would that destroy Sauron?

>>84359280
you don't need to destroy sauron, you just need to build a wall around mordor so his army can't get out

>>84359333
It has a wall

>>84359377
no in the east

>>84359390
I see

Did the top of Sauronman's tower have a trap door at the top? How did Gandalf get there?

Honesty, I've watched LotR like 1.5 times and even I know this meme is silly.

When Gandalf was grey wizard he just didnt have that much magic power for it. He summoned AN eagle as his last resort in Isengard. I bet he didnt even know he could pull that off.
But after he lvled up from all that Balrog EXP, his magic power grew, and he managed to call for a whole flock of them. Magic takes time and practice, you know...

>>84359484
that's conveniently leaving out the eagles from the hobbit

>>84359433
Magic

>>84358512

How many giant eagles do you think there are?

Why didn't they use a boat to cross the ghost swamp?

>>84359015
Elrond didn't know about Isildur's betrayal until it was too late.
>>84359133
Because Sauron had already found Gollum once, and there's no reason he couldn't do that again.

>>84359580
sauron didn't find gollum though, gollum went to mordor like a retard and got captured

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So what exactly was evil about Sauron besides his aesthetics?

>>84359646
He's believes it's ok to have both direct and indirect taxes at the same time

>>84359646
His entire essence, corrupted by Melkor.

>>84359646
why are you implying moralities? its 2017 ffs

>>84359646
He didn't offer his seat to old people

Maybe the eagles were always flying towards frodo they just started really far away and it took a while.

>>84352741
ANTI AIR DEFENSES

the real question is why are there ZERO orcs guarding the Crack of Doom?

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>>84359646
How did they manage to get that close to mt Dew?

>>84359802
Because Sauron can't even conceive of someone wanting to destroy the ring.

>>84359833
It took the elves less than five minutes to figure it out. One orc or a locked door, that's all it would have taken.

>>84359802
There were a lot of orcs there, but Sauron was retarded and ordered ALL of them to march out against Aragorn

>>84359802
Why? It is literally inpossible to destroy the ring on purpose

>>84357485
that pic always crack me up

Why didn't Sauron just cover his whole hand in cement so no one could cut the ring off the first time? Couldn't a wizard give his finger a shield?

>>84352741
Why didn't Sauron just leave behind a few orcs to defend Mt. Doom?

Why didn't he just collapse the entrance to the forge?

why didnt they used dwarfs to dig a tunnel under mordor and put the ring directly in the lava?

>>84359879
You're forgetting that a good portion of Sauron's army had just been destroyed at the battle of pelennor fields.

>>84359863
>It took the elves less than five minutes to figure it out
Yes, and? I'm not saying he couldn't figure out a way to destroy it, I'm saying that to him wanting to destroy it was so absurd he couldn't even conceive of it. It's as if I told a father "why haven't you planned a way to stop your child from willingfully amputating his legs?" Because it's something so absurd that he would never plan for it.
>>84359965
The ring was removed from sauron's hand after he was defeated, not before.

>>84360032
The main entrance had been blocked up a long time ago, I believe. Sauron was quite right in thinking no one could willingly destroy the Ring. It was only destroyed by divine intervention basically.

>>84360076
>The ring was removed from sauron's hand after he was defeated, not before.

wow the ring fucking sucks. whats the point

Why didn't Legolas just parkour the ring into Mount Doom?

In the books the eagles don't even take Gandalf to Rivendell after his imprisonment by Saruman. They drop him off at Rohan and tell him they don't want to get involved in human mess lmao.

>>84352741
Wasn't Jackson's choice. That's just how Tolkien wrote it.

>>84360164
It didn't make him invincible. It still took a massive army of elves and men to take him down.

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>>84352741
>felbeasts
>eagle pride
>eye of fucking sauron
You tried

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>grab 2 eagles
>one carries fredo and the ring and a bunch of DEAF dudes with shields
>the others a bunch of DEAF elven FEMALE archers to fend off flying black dudes (they're NO MAN)
>fly straight up to mt doom
>movie over in 5 min

>>84360244
Why would they take him all the way to Rivendell? Gandalf knew he needed a horse regardless.

why didn't goku just throw the dragon balls into the volcano

>>84360334
I don't get the deaf part.

>>84360446
so they're not affected by the autistic screeching

>>84360446
what?

>>84360446
Nazgul autistic screeching

Why didn't Sauron just realize he's evil and kill himself?

>>84360489
If he had wisdom he wouldn't be evil in the first place

>>84360489
from my point of view the hobbits are evil

Why didn't the dwarves just dig a tunnel under the mountain right into the lava river?

>>84360076
>I'm saying that to him wanting to destroy it was so absurd he couldn't even conceive of it.

He knows that people want to destroy him, and the means destroying the ring. Even if he knows that no one could willingly destroy the ring once their in Mt. Doom, the fact that the ring could always be brought within inches of destruction should have made him concerned. What if the ring holder tripped? What if two people fought over the ring and it slipped from their hands into the lava?

How did the Barlog get into this side of the ocean? Did he have a giant boat?

>>84360616
he flied you fool

>>84360446
>FUCKING HOBBITS GIVE ME THE RING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>84360653
It's a big sea

why was sauron such a fuckin stiff, man?

>>84360164
It makes him quite stronger when he has it. Very much so.
>>84360599
>and that means destroying the ring
Does he know that? Does he think that?

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Why didn't Sauronman just kill Gandalf?

>>84360695
For him

>>84360616
He had always been on this side of the ocean.

>>84359646
Tolkien hated "grey" villains. He's an agent of Melkor, his motives as are as comical as the motives of Satan; everything that is good destroyed and the world set to ruin.

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>>84353192

>>84360822
Why didn't Saruman take Gandalf's ring?

>>84360926
Didn't know about it

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Did the ghost army have unlimited power? Why didn't Aragorn send tell them to raze Mordor afterwards?

>>84360990
The movie version maybe. Fucking Hackson.

>>84360822
Because god would just bring him back.

>>84360822
Because then he would be just as bad as him.

Did the ents not see the smoke and tree screams coming from the other side of the hill?

>>84353192
10/10

>>84352741
>eagle puts ring on its bird cock
>ggnore

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>>84353192
well memed

>>84352741
>Mordor literally has anti-air forces.
>literally would have been a suicide mission for all eagles involved.

>>84352741
Why didn't the eagles just 9/11 Sauron's tower?

>>84361697
That's a bigger plothole because birds don't have cocks

>>84362047
Ducks do

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>>84352741
Anyone else get irrationally angry when a an orc war-chief kills you in Shadow of Mordor?

Even worse when you're about to defeat one and then another comes along with a crossbow and ices you.

>>84355212
That is literally fucking wrong.

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>I told you to revoke the broker's license!

>>84362047
You failed anatomy kiddo. All birds have cocks.

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>>84353192
>when the witchy woman sleeps, I will take it to the limit. I'll be a midnight flyer, and by the tequila sunrise

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Why didn't Gandalf give a shit about the ring until then? They mentioned that you used to be able to read the scripture all the time (in evil language), didn't he ever think of reading it?

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>>84353192

>>84360990
Ghosts can't do shit in lotr, actually. The only scared the corsars.

>>84362437
>They mentioned that you used to be able to read the scripture all the time (in evil language)

What are you talking about?

>>84353290
lmao

>>84362566
He's asking why Gandalf never read the inscription (that you can only see if you set the ring on fire) in the 100 years Bilbo had it.

>>84362566
The marking upon the band begin to
fade...the writing which at first was as
clear as red flame, has all but
disappeared...a secret now that only fire
can tell...

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>>84353290

>>84353687
But you're wrong.

Gandalf says after the battle of pellenor fields.

"The Enemy, of course, has long known that the Ring is abroad, and that it is borne by a hobbit. He knows now the number of our Company that set out from Rivendell, and the kind of each of us. But He does not yet perceive our purpose clearly. He supposes that we were all going to Minas Tirith; for that is what he would him-self have done in our place. And according to his wisdom it would have been a heavy stroke against his power. Indeed He is in great fear, not knowing what might one may suddenly apear, wielding the Ring, and assailing him with war, seeking to cast him down and take his place. That we should wish to cast him down and have no one in his place is not a thought that occurs to his mind. That we should try to destroy the Ring itself has not yet entered into his darkest dream."

Sauron created the ring and knew how it would affect people. He knew how people would react to the power of the ring (aside from Hobbits as he didn't understand them) and presumed that the only thing one would do if they had the ring was try to wield it. This is why Aragorn going to the black gate was such a great decision; the only one stupid of powerful enough to openly attack Sauron at his own turf must of been influenced by the ring.

Side note, theoretically Gandalf or Aragorn would of been powerful enough to wield the ring to its full potential though and Sauron did fear that.

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>>84362752
Ah okay. Well Gandalf only had his suspicions and Saruman told him the One Ring was lost for good so he trusted him at the time. As for Isildur's account, it was hidden away in Gondor's archives or whatever.

>>84363033
Didn't he hear the evil whispers every time he was around Bilbo? Or feel the ring's influence in any way?

>>84359887
This guy gets it

>>84362971
Plus only Frodo was captured but the Ring wasn't found on him. Sauron didn't know that another hobbit was in Mordor as well.

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>"""wizard"""
>doesn't know any spells beyond a fucking lightbulb

>>84363077
Gandalf knew it was one of the great rings because Bilbo wasn't outwardly aging but otherwise didn't appear to be changed much. Also, Gandalf only occasionally came around the Shire in the years between The Hobbit and LotR. He hadn't been seen in years prior to Bilbo's party.

>>84363101
Which is more evidence that Sauron was certain Aragorn had the ring

>>84362971
So if it was so easy to BTFO him why didn't aragorn use the ring, BTFO sauron and his armies and then throw it in the lava?

>>84363331
Because Aragorn wasn't an idiot like Isildur.

Why didn't wizards attach the ring to an object in space and slingshot it into the volcano at many times the speed of light?

>>84363443
But isildur was weak willed and fell for the ring before even wearing it, aragorn didn't seem to care at all about it even in close proximity (like isildur was), instead they go in a suicide missions that had a lot of chances to fail instead of fighting sauron and his armies back when they could've have done so easily?

>>84363331
Even with the ring Aragorn's army would have still lost at the black gate. The ring tricks people into believe they are more powerful than they are. Sauron had the ring and was still defeated in battle several times (captured by the Numenoreans, battle of the last alliance).

It's like you fail to grasp the entire concept of the ring and the themes of the novel as a whole. That or you're just trolling, in which case good job on getting me to type this shit out

>>84363594
>It's like you fail to grasp the entire concept of the ring
I am yet to read a good explanation of what it does

>>84362971
He doesn't say that after pellenor fields, I just read that the other day and I'm only on Two Towers. I think it was when Aragorn and co found out Gandalf was alive in Fangorn forest and he was updating them as they were walking with him.

>>84358614
What, door?

>>84363637
Aragorn and Gandalf were both wise enough to realize that destroying the Ring was the only real course of action to take. Aragorn wouldn't have been able to claim it, use it and then just toss it in the lava. The One Ring eventually corrupts the user no matter if they try to use it for good purposes.

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>>84363707
It never corrupted Bilbo. And the other dude got killed for unrelated reasons, he's not shown turning into an asshole or anything. Gollum did turn a bit weird, but it's not like he tried to conquer the world.

>>84363331
Because the inherent nature of the ring is corruption. Even if you had the will power to claim it from sauron it would STILL turn all your works to the ultimate benefit of evil.
Also the ring will not let itself be destroyed. You would get to the cracks of doom, and come up with some excuse for keeping it around.

All of that is ignoring the fact that Aragorn leading the suicide attack at the battle of morannon. It was a ruse to make sauron THINK aragorn had the ring and was waiting to use it as a secret weapon. The point was to challenge sauron in a way that he would marshal every force he had in mordor to crush aragorn and reclaim his ring so frodo and sam would have a slim chance of getting to the mountain.

>>84352741
The eye would have saw them arriving and Mount Doom would have been swarming with an army of the best fighters.

>>84353290
But what was the company's tax policy?

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How did the crows not see them?
Birds usually have very good eyesight, and there were thousands of them.

>>84363789
>one anon actually bought the totem for 1400$
the absolute madman

>>84363637
I just told you a part of it, but i'll see if I can elaborate more.

The ring in a sense has free will, though it's loyalty is to Sauron because that's who created it. All the actions the ring takes are to return to its master, or prevent its destruction; it hides with Gollum for 500 years waiting for Sauron to return and when it does it leaves Gollum because it knows it has a better chance of reaching Sauron if it can be picked up by a Golbin (but its believed Eru intervened and had Bilbo pick it up instead). Other examples are trying to get Frodo to wear the ring in the presence of the Nazgul to make it easier for the Nazgul to find frodo. And gee whiz even at Mt Doom it manages to convince Frodo he is powerful enough to wield the ring against Sauron to prevent its own destruction.

The rings actual powers are rather vague though, the invisibility thing really only happens when someone weak wears it like Frodo or Bilbo, whereas Sauron doesn't become invisible when wearing it. The ring also grants the user the ability to corrupt and control the lesser rings and those rings in turn grant their wearers the power to dominate their people (hence why he gave them to powerful men and dwarves after the whole elf thing didn't work out).

The ring is a tool though and can be wielded by anyone powerful enough to do so, Galadriel, Gandalf and Aragorn all could of potentially used the ring to destroy Sauron, however in doing so the ring would corrupt the wearer (as it is still sentient, and inherently evil) into becoming the next dark lord as the ring could achieve its goals with or without Sauron

>>84363789
Bilbo and Gollum only had the Ring though. They occasionally used it for turning invisible but they never really laid claim to it in order to wield it like Aragorn would have had to do to use it against Sauron and his army.

>>84353284
>the ring can fit on a fully grown man
>the ring can also fit on someone smaller than a fucking midget
it's like you didn't even pay attention

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>>84353192
Kek

>read the book a week ago
>mfw Rohan is actually OP
>soloed the Hornburg with just themselves plus Aragorn's friends
>soloed Pelennor Fields without the ghosts
>had more troops than Gondor in the final Black Gate memery

>>84363903
They did. Notice how they went straight back to Isengard? Or how Saruman knew they were on the mountain?

>>84363789
>It never corrupted Bilbo.
He spergs out on gandalf and later frodo. And when he's leaving the shire he drops the line "I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread." because he was feeling the effects.
Gandalf also muses that since bilbo came across the ring honestly (he found it in the dark, and then by rights "won" it from Gollum in the riddle game) so its effects were less pronounced.
Comepared to Smeagol, who murdered his brother/cousin/bff(?) Deagol, to get the ring and ended up turning into gollum over the grief.
The worst thing bilbo ever did with the ring was lie to his friends about it, and undoubtedly watched some thicc hobbit bois and bitches showering.
The implication is that the ring finding bilbo in that very specific moment was Eru stacking the deck in the favor of good, unbeknownst to all. The whole story of the ring, especially the involvement of the fellowship, is Eru's third theme manifesting in the "reality" of middle earth.
Its literally deaus ex machina, but its foreshadowed at the beginning of the lore. All the contributing tales are just the realization of Eru's song of creation played out.

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>>84353081
They could just follow the crows

>>84353913
there isnt actually a big eye in the books retard

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>>84359086
DELET

>>84352975
If you go solely off the films, the eagles can probably be construed as a plot hole, but the books make it pretty clear what's going on. I think. I haven't read them in forever

>>84364133
>soloed Pelennor Fields without the ghosts
Not quite. The tide turns against rohan, eomer goes full klingon in one of my favorite parts of the book. Right before aragorn flies the flag and saves the day with the 40 dunedain rangers and the sons of elrond.
Its a fucking shame we didn't get the grey company in the movies since they pretty much did what the ghosts in the movie did. The book mentions that each member of the grey company was worth an entire army on the battlefield apiece.
You could make the battle of pelenor fields its own movie, with prince imrahel and based swan knights.

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Why did Sauron make the ring? He seemed to be doing fine without it, even better than when he had it in fact.
Why did destroying the ring killed him?

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There were orc Anti-Air batteries within Mordor. Not until the Battle of the Black Gate did the batteries become unmanned.

There. Solved.

There'd be no story if they used the eagles, therefore we don't use the eagles so we can have a more interesting story.

>>84353245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiVN_f51rag

>>84353192
Fucking up my sides rn tbhfamilia

>>84364804
in all fairness, bard the bowman was ready to take out a dragon on a single exposed part of his armor, but the orcs wouldn't have scorpions/ballistas of their own?

>>84353290
Awesome

>>84353598
My king

>>84364804
>There were orc Anti-Air batteries within Mordor

why do tolkientards continuously just make shit up like this? either quote where it says mordor has anti air turrents or fuck off

>>84359706
Sounds evil to me

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>Arda is literally ancient Earth
>Erd is German for Earth

Bravo Tolkien

>>84364788
Before he had it he had big daddy morgoth to back him up. After based tulkas throws him outside of time and space sauron fucks off and hides, and for a while he tries to be a nice guy until hes told to report back to valinor for his part in the last few ages.
He comes up with a plan. He disguises himself and travels to the elven kingdoms offering to teach them new smith craft and magic. Gil Galad and Cirdan tell him to fuck off because they can smell a rat. Celebrimbor of Eregion, a noldor descended from feanor and kin directly, one of the greatest craftsmen of his age, was tempted.
Together he and sauron forged nine rings to gift to men and seven for the dwarves. In secret celebrimbor never trusted him and takes what he learned from sauron and created three elven rings, free of the taint of sauron. That he gave to the three elven kingdoms. Gil Galad king of the noldor, galadriel of lothlorien, and based Cirdan of the grey havens.
Of course sauron's ultimate plan was to forge a controling device, the one ring. To create the thing he had to pour part of himself into it to power it.
The elven rings were untouched and revealed sauron's betrayal before they became his thralls.
Eregion gets wiped out in the war, numenor gets involved, getting caught was part of his plan, causes massive butthurt by getting atlantis sunk, comes back to middle earth, starts more shit, battle of last alliance, isildur gets the ring, the rest is in the movie.

>>84365394
so the elven rings weren't even forged by sauron? then what the fuck is this?

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

>>84365394
He controlled the witch kings without the ring in the movie. And that still doesn't explain why throwing it into a volcano would kill Sauron. It is only a part of his power that got separated a long time ago, and as you said a separate entity at that point.

>>84365292
And midgard is literally middle earth. Tolkien's stated purpose for creating his universe was because there was no true english mythology. So he created one, like any mythology, its informed by its neighbors so theres plenty of influence from other northern european pantheons and creation stories.

>>84365485
He taught them how to make them, he did not himself make them.

>>84365292
>not enjoying the implication that the world was like that before life turned to shit

>>84365534
Destroying the One Ring didn't kill Sauron exactly but it weakened him so much that he's never able to take physical form or do harm again. He's just a spirit trapped in Middle-earth.

>>84365534
He was still on numenor when it sank, and eru broke the world. He was practically smited so hard he lost his ability to take a pleasing shape. Before this he was known for his ability to change forms, getting btfo'd by dogs and women, and epic rap battles.
I always took him losing his shapeshifting ability and returning as a terrible black lord as him getting dealt with by his superiors, and he would have "died" had it not been for the ring safely hidden back in mordor, which was a physical vessel his spiritual form was tied to. No matter how many times you destroyed him physically, he would always be able to manifest again because he had an anchor.
Compare it to when saruman is murdered, a smoke or haze rises from his body, takes the vague form of a man, who looks to the west, and then gets dispersed by a wind from a strong wind that smelled of the sea.
All the ainur were immortal spirits, and could take solid form at will, but I think for all but the valar that ability is a privilege that can be revoked. They cant affect the physical world as it is, but if saruman had tripped and broken his neck after being a dick he wouldn't have been reborn like gandalf.
Sauron has the ring anchoring him, morgoth was trapped in a physical form by the first age. Balrogs could be killed despite being maiar.

>>84353847
they're the muslims of middle earth

>>84365485
Because though sauron didn't make them, celebrimbor was following the his recipe.
They had none of the negative side effects like turning you into a wraith or being a the king turbo jew of the turbo jews, but was still able to be controlled with the one ring.
This let the elf lords use their rings (as long as he doesn't have the one ring) to preserve their respective havens in rivendale and lothlorien.
Cirdan gave his to gandalf because he'd need it more, and the grey havens were protected by ulmo and as the most western part of middle earth it would be the last place to diminish.

>>84364766
They did not include Elrond's boys because PJ did not want them taking the spotlight of Legolas.

>>84366519
I get "why" they did it, in movie terms, and I don't even disagree, but damn thats one of my favorite parts of the books so im just being a salty autist.

>>84363216
Tolkien magic is supposed to be subtle, like causing natural disasters. Remember that Tolkien Wizards are like angels in mortal form and that their magic is more like divine intervention.

>>84366688
But in the book, the ghost army doesn't come to the Pelennor Fields. Their oath was fulfilled when they helped Aragorn and company take the ships.

>>84366719
Those fireworks looked all but subtle.

>>84366785
Jackson is hack, Gandolf never conjurers big white nuke blasts like in the Hobbit either.

Everyone talks about Bombadil but Ghan-buri-Ghan is the most forgotten instrumental character that got left out.