/who/ - Doctor Who General

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NARDOLE'S NEXT

Series 10 has been an interesting study in what happens when you take the companion position for granted.

No matter how much you like Doctor Who, you have to admit the bad outweighs the good – i.e. the majority of episodes are not good. You're basically on this ride hoping that the good is good enough to outweigh the bad.

Most griping is sidestepped because the Doctor can usually entertain you enough through the lows, and also the companion is either interesting or hot as fuck for you to think they're interesting.

Someone in the last thread said Clara was the focus of series 7/8/9 because she was a bombshell and they're goddamn right. Smith is a good Doctor, and Capaldi is a good Doctor, but that alone can't always help you against the nature of a BBC family show. It helps -immensely- to have someone easy on the eyes as his chipper companion/damsel in distress (as the situation calls for), otherwise you just hold your breath for a good episode despite all the elements working against one coming about, and the rest of the episodes don't really have a chance of being comfy because there's not enough good shit going on.

>>84269452
Bill is a good character regardless of her appearance

I wish the latest episode went more into Bill's life in the hospital. Did she make any new friends? Keep a diary? Talk to her dead mom like a weirdo? Do anything else but watch a Doctor Who episode at 0.000002 frames per second?

>>84269452

So you're saying that the best way to improve DW would be to play a porn video at the same time as the episode?

>>84269556
It'd help.

>>84269452
Just make The Doctor a hot female.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/820976/Doctor-Who-season-10-Bill-Potts-Pearl-Mackie-Peter-Capaldi-John-Simm-Master-Missy/amp
>The death of Bill marks the first killing of a companion in Doctor Who since the show was rebooted by the BBC in 2005.
reeeeeeee

Saw on the Planet Mondas forum the Christmas special is supposed to involve Cybermen and pre-Karn Morbius. That forum usually just regurgitates stuff from here and GB, so does anyone have any other news on that from there?

>>84269606
I sincerely doubt the christmas special is going to involve cybermen unless moff pulls a fast one and does a three parter, keeping us on a cliffhanger for half a year

Good episode, but the whole "Doctor Who" thing at the begining was turbo cringe.

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So is The Doctor's name really Doctor Who?

You're not allowed to enjoy things. Not on MY /who/

>>84269654
It really wasn't that bad, Gerald.

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The first episode of Who I ever saw was one where one of the cybermen started remembering that it was a person once, then it remembered it was a woman, and it had children and started freaking the fuck out
It was creepy as fuck

>>84269692
Besides this episode, that's still the best cyberman episode of nuwho

>>84269654

>implying it wasn't 10/10 trolling from Moffat
>implying the fans who get asspained about Doctor Who's name don't deserve it

>>84269692
Rise of the Cybermen?

>>84269638
It makes sense, desu. Next week might have the Doctor only 'managing' the Cybermen problem without completely 'solving' it, because he's too busy with the two Masters. As it stands, if Bill is the first Cyberman, you need an explanation as how to Cybermen get back from that ship to Mondas – escape shuttle, or whatever. The Doctor could have to go to Mondas for Christmas.

Why didn't they have IN THE JUNGLE THE MIGHTY JUNGLE THE LION SLEEPS TONIGHT playing on a staticky old radio in the hospital?

>>84269692
ep name?

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>>84269654

So did last night episode screwed up Spare Parts?

>>84269758
Not yet

>>84269758
it doesn't contradict it, but for spare parts to still be canon, you have to allow for a lot of coincidence

>>84269758
Too early to tell.
It's possible they could somehow make it fit.

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>Doctor screaming "NOOOOOOOOOO!!" as he regenerates
>and then..
>Michael Jayston laughing at the camera
>TO BE CONTINUED IN: The Doctors vs The Valeyard by Steven Moffat and Chris Chibnall

>>84269955

How old is Jayston now?

He has a great evil laugh.

>>84269758
Unless something in the next episode says otherwise, the events in Spare Parts still happen on Mondas.

Can anyone post the leaks? I'm very curious

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>>84270173
81.

I heard he's putting out (or maybe it's already out?) an autobiography this year.

I didn't know until recently that he appeared in an episode of Moffat's own "Press Gang" so that's pretty cool and I really ought to finally watch that show actually.

>>84269955
So Doctor becomes the Valeyard, Missy has to be good to save him because he's smart enough to do all the things (s)he couldn't through the years and potentially take over the universe?
Because I have to admit, I might watch that.

>>84269955
If we're going to start digging up old actors, Carol Ann Ford is still alive.

At least Bill can't constantly remind us that she's black or gay anymore because now she isn't either of them

>>84270473

What if Missy became the protagonist for a while, chasing down the Valeyard but not crossing paths with him every episode?

>>84270509
CYBERMEN WILL REMOVE SEX

well that was a pretty good episode tonight. probably the best since RTD left

I thought i'd come to /who/ to see if you idiots appreciated it.
> they're talking about Spare Parts and the Valeyard

not even attempting to troll, so don't reply but this is just the biggest shithole with no fucking taste i've ever seen. i've seen more Who than anyone else on this board so you can take that as fact

>>84269517

Shitty Actress though desu

>>84270496
I really REALLY need William Russell & her to appear on the show again before Peter Capaldi leaves. I think if those characters are to appear on televised Doctor Who again/NuWho it should be with The Doctor played by the uberfan who's old enough that he watched them when they were first on when he was a kid.

Army of Ghosts/Doomsday would've been better as a pure Cybermen invasion story. Instead the Daleks show up and ruin it because of the "they need to appear every series" clause.

>have the technology to replace most of the body with advanced machinery
>don't have the ability to prevent the subject from feeling pain from it
I get that it's to make the process seem more horrific, but it makes little sense.
Why would it hurt anyway? 90% of the body is gone after the conversion, it's almost all machinery from that point.

>>84270623
Relax, Moffat. We liked it.

>>84270473
The Doctor and the Master are supposed to be about equal in intelligence, though. The Doctor just always wins because he's the protagonist.

>>84270623
Because we watched it earlier and ergo gushed over it earlier and ergo have moved on to anticipating next week and Christmas special with our retarded theories and troll "predictions". Gallifrey Base is that way if you want people just wanking over the latest episode and overusing words like "BRILLIANT", you fucking tit.

>>84270623
Do you think the woman who helped The Master is the Rani?

>>84270623
>probably the best since RTD left
I still feel that Listen or Heaven Sent hold that title (although Hell Bent ruined it a little).
I'm almost convinced Moffat will Moffuck the second part to this one, too. It's just his thing that he does.

>>84270755
It's why I'm not getting myself hyped for the second part. I've been burnt too many times.

The Doctor Falls will probably be massively disappointing, but I'll be happy if it isn't.

>>84270755
listen is overrated trash

>>84270516
Just cleaning up his messes.
But, no, make it better. He's not calling himself the Doctor, after all, he's the Valeyard. So, being manipulative at first, she starts calling herself Doctor. Eventually she fits the role more and more. Then they both regenerate and we can have a lovely mix-up over who is Who.

I'm betting Bill's conversion will be undone somehow. There's no way they'll leave a companion in such a fucked up situation. Sure, many companions leave in bittersweet ways but this is just messed up.
But I hope Moffat has the balls to actually leave her this way, it actually makes the Cybermen more horrifying now we've seen a regular turned into one

>>84270755
I prefer heaven sent because the tone was spot on
World Enough had some issues where it had all these body horror concepts but instead of going all out and making a full dark episode out of it, it was kind of watered down by the music and the other things going on

>>84270895
If it's undone, there's really no reason for The Doctor to be resisting his regeneration, there has to be stakes and a reason for not wanting to carry on

>>84270895
Yeah, the end scene stresses the horror so much and also kind of puts the blame on the Doctor with the "I waited for you" line. I doubt he'll let it permanent or let her die, but it would be nice.

>>84270786
>Then they both regenerate and we can have a lovely mix-up over who is Who.

Too cute, anon. I'm sold.

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Hello Missy. I'm the Master. And I'm very worried about my future.

It's interesting that Missy doesn't recall being there in the past. Mind-fuckery forthcoming for the Master, or one of those multi-Doctor events where blah blah blah time erases their memories? Because we do have one example of the Doctor encountering himself and recalling it, so we know that can happen, the brief but charming bit with 10 and 5 in Time Crash where 10 is able to correct things because he remembers watching himself do it when he was 5.
So, long con, wibbly wobbly, or mindfuck?

At least if Bill gets deconverted her departure will probably be a Victoria/Tegan-esque "I just can't take this shit anymore" scene, which is a pretty good way to do companion departures.

>>84271078

Simm killed it with this rendition of the Master. I'm excited to see more next episode.

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>>84271078

>>84271127

Jesus, the pores to the left of her mouth are so gigantic and filthy.

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>>84271127

>>84271113
This was his best episode, I thought. Definitely better than Last of the Time Lords trilogy and The End of Time.

>>84271079
basically what's been established, when you compare every multi-Doctor story, i.e. any of The Three Doctors, Five Doctors, Two Doctors, Time Crash, Day of the Doctor, etc. is that after the fact, the earlier incarnations of the Time Lord will forget the interaction when it ends and only the most recent regeneration will remember any of it.

With respect to what happens during, there's no consistency, and it hasn't been outright stated but reasonable headcanon is that these situations are so anomalous that there's no rhyme or reason as to who remembers what, why, or how. (In reality, whether Missy does or doesn't remember the events as they occur next week will just be up to Moffat w/r/t narrative convenience.)

>>84271078
I'm sure this is exactly the way Delgado and Ainley would have felt if they had been able to peer into the future and see his episodes under RTD lol

>>84271204
Sound of the Drums was a fantastic set-up episode, let down by how bizarre its follow-up was.

World Enough and Time is a fantastic set-up episode, likely to be let down by how shit its follow-up will be.

Why was the Master in disguise? He didn't know the Doctor was coming.

This is like Time Flight all over again.

>>84271306
>Why was the Master in disguise?

He didn't want the audience to recognize him.

If Bill Stays dead hopefully, please Moffat will this be the most horrific way a companion has gone out?

>>84271079
I think Matt Smith in Day of the Doctor said "I remember this. Sort of remember". Also Tennant said he will forget this. So I guess when they meet future self out of stream their memories will get wobbly.

>>84271306

It's possible that he was dressed up as someone he killed and replaced.

>>84271306
Disguises are rather necessary when you happen to be someones former prime minister.

>>84271306
He has to hide because his face is too recognizable. He did mention he was Prime Minister so the humans of that era will be familiar with him.

Though he is on different planet, so who the fuck knows.

>>84269599

Forgetting about River, Amy and Rory this soon.

>>84271079
If the time lines are out of sync then retention for any temporally vulnerable parties (i.e. past incarnations) won't be possible. Isn't this an established temporal law in the Whoniverse? Surely it's been mentioned more than once since that rule is ingrained in my head. Someone look it up for me?

>>84271408
>Someone look it up for me?
Do it yourself you lazy shit.

>>84271369
It's this or a little boy burning and dying scared and alone on a giant freighter

Actually, it'll be because of the Cybermen both times. Funny.

>>84269409
SAVED

>>84271400
To be fair, Amy an Rory lived happy normal lives in the past, they didn't R-E-A-L-L-Y "die". And River and her consciousness uploaded and shit

>>84271369
I'd say Sara's death in The Daleks' Master Plan was more horrifying.

What time do the overnight ratings come out?

>>84271400
River wasn't really a companion, and Rory/Amy were only stranded in the past. They lived a happy life together in early 20th century New York, it's hardly the worst fate.

>every single moff companion died
Will chibbers return to "yeah that's enough traveling for me kthx bye"?

>>84271480
Yea... Moffat """death''''''

Anyone else predict that guy would be the master from the first time he appeared on screen?
Also why would the master wait YEARS with bill just for all this shit, why were they waiting so long to convert her?

>>84271079
Eh, it's all fucked. The general rule's whenever there are multiple versions of the same character present, the earlier versions don't remember things. It's not consistent, though. For once, Missy should remember being on the ship before the Doctor arrived. If all the memories of the events are gone, then 11 shouldn't have remembered saving Gallifrey since 12 was involved.

>>84271518
Did you seriously watch without spoilers. Also,
>why were they waiting so long to convert her?
Because they hadn't perfected their craft yet. Bill was the first successful Cyberman.

>>84271306
> He didn't know the Doctor was coming.
didnt he? he probably had a live feed of the tardis and missy et cetera stepping out for decades

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>>84271518
Stop asking perfectly logical questions!

>>84271539
But why was he there prior to that?

>>84271531
And then there's Time Crash, where 10 remembered what to do precisely because he remembered seeing it as 5.
In short, rules are for breaking, it seems.

>>84271566
In Day, 11 also says "oh I remember... this is where I come in"
So the previous incarnation forgets but the oldest can unlock those memories while the events are still happening

>>84271464
Hopefully in less than a couple of hours.

>>84271661
Damn, I'll be asleep by then.

>>84269654
>turbo
cringe

>>84271538
>Did you seriously watch without spoilers
Is this not normal? Wtf?

>>84271369
She was in the trailer behind Nardole.
Sorry m8.

>>84271432
You actually made my night with that comment. I made that meme like a month ago and I've posted it at least four times and no one has ever so much as responded to it before. Was pretty bummed when I saw no one responding to it tonight.

>>84271780
I can't find that

>>84271773
It's kind of hard when Simm was revealed in official BBC trailers since months ago

>>84271861
Im glad, I did laugh out loud at it.

>>84271868
When he's walking out of the door.

Calling it right now Missy or Clara saves Bill. Actually, a combination would make the most sense. Missy steals/"borrows" that one Time Lord technology from Hell Bent, snatches Bill and somehow knowing where Clara is drops her off with Clara because "Oh you two living dead girls have quite a lot in common" or hopefully better dialogue than that but, you know. ha!

Even if Moffat was naive enough to think he could get away with actually killing off the show's first gay/lesbian companion the BBC definitely are not and would not let him get away with it. So yeah, let that "Bill is staying dead/converted" ship sail off now because, that's not going to happen and her death/conversion is unhappening one way or another.

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>>84271861
I cleaned it up a bit for you, hope you don't mind

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They should have made more effort with Simm's disguise makeup; I recognised him immediately. What with that, the trailer giving it away that he was in the episode, and that it was the cybermen, there wasn't anything left to build any suspense whatsoever. what a waste. someone ought to be slapped for those decisions.

>>84270990

The master tells him that he knows the doctor's future:

>Master: Do you like spoilers?
>Dr: I know what is going to happen already, I'm going to eradicate every last cyberman. I don't make the same mistake twice.
>Missy: Now he understands why we burn stars instead of saving them.
>Ma: But spoilers, Doctor Who... You'll love this one...
>Mi: Oh he won't, I think it might break him.
>Dr: After what You've DONE?! What do you think could possibly make me more angry.
>Ma: Oh, it's so delicious, shall we tell him together?
>Ma & Mi: "After what WE have done"...
>Dr: WHAT?
>Mi: WE, Doctor.
>Ma: Don't you just love reunions? Me, my future self and my past self all in the same room. What was it I used to say after I was the War Doctor? Oh yes... FANTASTIC!

>>84271565
to help create the original cybermen so that cybermen would exist for things to happen later in convenient succession to guarantee time doesn't implode

its time, i dont gotta explain shit. he's there to help mindfuck the doctor.

>>84271919
Someone on reddit thinks Nardole's cyborg aspects will come into play, he'll download Bill's consciousness and transfer it into his body,
overriding his own mind with Bills, and his body transforms into a body double of Bill [keep in mind he's said he's had different forms in the past]

>>84269333

I forgot all about the tenth season and just caught the last ten minutes of the last episode because I'm a filthy foreigner. So Missy isn't the Master?

>>84272065
You remember Day of the Doctor, where matt smith and david tennant teamed up?
It's that but the master

>>84272065
yes she is

>>84272065
She is, It's just Simm calls himself the Master and Gomez calls herself missy

>>84272065

She is

>people actually think Bill is dead

All this time and you still fall for Moffats old tricks.

Its a shame, I kind of want Missy Who instead of Doubleteam Master powerhour.

>>84272125
missy will be the companion in the christmas special

>>84272125

Missy should have joined midway through the season and built up to this

>>84272080
>>84272077
>>84272092
>>84272078

Ah ok. Guess I'll start downloading the rest of the season

>>84272158

No, she won't. She's gone after next week.

Do you think that Missy shaves her pussy hair in the shape of a goatee?

>>84271889
Yeah but how would you know it was that guy for sure

>>84272256
>a guy wearing heavy make up to obsucre the actor's real face when no real need for it exists, since he just looks like a guy
>hurr durr how did you know

>>84271997
It's frankly too Moffat to be true.

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>>84272231
Probably a full bush.
She said she's old-fashioned.

>>84269758
I fucking hate big finish, they make up every kind of stuff so the real show must keep on focus to canon/non canon things

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>>84272604
>canon/non canon
>he STILL thinks there is a canon

>>84272604

I was kind of hoping for the Unbound lore that gender changes when regeneration's because of suicide, but then I remember Hell Bent happened

>>84272659
>gender changes when regeneration's because of suicide
That's just retarded.

>>84272659
>Hell Bent happened
No it didn't. That is not canon as stated my the Moff himself

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>>84272711

Anyone got HD caps of the Doctor regenerating?

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>they can fly
HOW?
Are they burning up legs for fuel?

>The Cybermen mention Telos. (CONFIRMED)
where was it?

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>>84272859
getting a planet of the spiders vibe

Why do Mondasian and Iron Cybermen stomp? I thought it was because the Cybusmen were heavy? Ironmen look like light metal and Mondasian certainly aren't heavy enough. They could've at least recorded new stomps instead of using the ones from 2006.

So are people forgetting the first episode and the Heather connection? Who's willing to bet that the Heather puddle entity will save her?

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>>84272882

>>84272895
It isn't forgotten... just not thought about. It's better that way.

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>>84272899

>>84272887
I want to know too. Who's idea was it? Rachel the Director, or Stevens? They also are like robots with their movements and noises as apposed to moving fluidly. You know I was genuinely surprised they fucked that up, even though we knew they were to fly...

>>84272711
>>84272659

What the fuck is Hell Bent?

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>>84272944
Some kind of turbo normie who doesn't even watch the show, are you?

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>>84272895

>>84272984
Heather is way more qt than Bill's current gf

>>84270755
Time of the Angels and Under the Lake were good aswell.

>>84272997
Who is Bill's current gf?

>>84272859

His hair is far longer than in the episode. Didn't Moffat say something about how some parts of the finale were shot only a week ago?

They've fucked up continuity if so.

>>84270755
>>84273008

>everyone forgetting Amy's Choice and Vincent And The Doctor

Feels bad man

Where exactly is John Simm's Master on his timeline?
Didn't we see him regenerate is Utopia, and follow his regeneration all through the end of time?

Wasn't the Master all fucked up after Series 3 finale?

I just think it would have been WAY better if Missy was one of the previous versions to Simm

Right?
>"He will never forgive you, you know, he'll never set you free"

Finally a good episode
Simm makes everything a thousandfold times better

>>84273032

The pretitles regeneration is from the christmas special.

>>84273054

We didn't see what happened after he went back to Gallifrey

>>84273032

People are finding this hard to understand

Time is very slow at the bottom of the ship

and very quick at the top

expect a moffat "hundred years of travelling on an elevator" twist

I'm a soul man

>>84269333
how is his neck turning? is the helmet made of shiny foam or some shit?

>>84270645
Not rly tho

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>>84269452
Season 10 has been an interesting study in what happens when you let shitty Social Justice Warriors hijack script writing.

Every single hot sociopolitical topic has been touched on now, in a hamfisted way: racial representation in history, sexuality, feminism, transgender issues, percieved flaws in capitalism.

I liked the pilot, but the rest of this season has been pretty shit, due to their preoccupation with injecting left-wing propaganda rather than writing good stories about travelling through time and space.

>>84273345
>social justice warriors
I just know you're not nearly as embarrassed by the shit you're saying as you should be.

>>84273054
>"He will never forgive you, you know, he'll never set you free"
Was referring to the doctor

>>84273284
This is the ideal cyberman body. You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>84273345
>left wing propaganda

L M A O

>>84273359
I can smell the tumblr emanating from your post.
Tumblrinas always, without fail, try to shame people into agreeing with them like you're doing now.

>>84273366
so you are saying he always looks in that direction?

So when does Missy offer the body swap to save the Doctor but then trick him into swapping with Simm? I haven't seen the most recent episode yet, but from what I'm reading here it hasn't happened yet.

>>84273383
This

>>84273054
Got another case of "I don't pay attention"
There are SEVERAL instances where we don't see the Master.
At what point of End of Time do we see the Master regenerate? We don't. He gets sent to Gallifrey and then that's it.

>>84273404
Have you not seen the classics?

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>>84273367
Explain how it's not. You must have a pretty poor memory.
>three episodes dedicate a significant amount of time talking about how black people were apparently common in 1800s London and how accepted gays and blacks were in the Roman Empire
>Everything in this episode is the fault of capitalism. Any time something bad happens, we say: "capitalism"
>We don't have your PRIMITIVE CONCEPTS of gender identity!!

>>84273383
Nope, I just think you sound like an idiot.

Can you do the 'global jewish conpiracy' bit now? I fucking love that bit.

>>84273427
You're just proving my point for me.
I'm waiting for you to explain how >>84273422 aren't examples of Doctor Who being used as a propaganda vehicle.

>>84273427
Reminder that oxygen was actually about the jews

>>84273422
>We don't have your PRIMITIVE CONCEPTS of gender identity!!
N-no that's RIGHT WING who won't validate my gender as an attack helicopter.

Morrono shitepj n

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I just finished it and holy fuck it was good. On the one hand, it's a pity I had basically all of it spoiled, but it did make Razor's scenes even more enjoyable knowing it was Simm. Razor is also the funniest character Moffat's ever written.

It was so good that I can't even be mad about the canon fuckery or Bill being converted (although that's partly because I'm sure they'll bring her back)

>>84273472
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>>84273472
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>>84273485
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>>84273480
Simm's theme was played several times Razor appeared, and there are a couple clever lines I actually only picked up on while rewatching it. Yeah, it was revealed in advance, but the episode more or less stands on its own and isn't solely validated by the reveal.

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>>84273364
Yes of course!
It sounds like something one would say retroactively

>>84273415
I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention /who/
But I do remember 10 implying that the Master's body was broken beyond repair
Gee but do I know. Time lords can basically break the laws of time and bring back people from the dead now.

Even universes with actual magic do not go this far

>>84273415
Simm is 'dead' between Last of the Time Lords and End of Time. There's some wiggle room between Utopia and Sound of the Drums it could've been set between, but since Simm refers to being PM in past tense, it's necessarily after Sound of the Drums, and therefore after LotTL, and therefore after EoT. (It can't occur during End of Time because Simm's Master was 'running out of juice', his body was failing, and wouldn't have had time to jet off to execute this.)

It can *only* happen after End of Time.

>>84273511
Yeah, it was a bit weird of BBC to give away both Simm and the cybermen in trailers when the episode itself is written in such a way that it's meant to be a surprise. The episode is enjoyable anyway though.

If I had stayed away from /who/ I don't think I would've figured out that Razor was Simm (Ainley's disguises used to genuinely deceive me) but people have been saying that it's Simm in disguise for ages. And once already had that idea in my head, it was easy to spot his mannerisms.

Really looking forward to next episode. Even if it's a disaster, a full Simm episode is very welcome. What's interesting about the cliffhanger now that I think about it is that it doesn't really set up a plot exactly. It sets up Bill being converted and Simm being back, but anything could really happen.

>>84273558
>Yeah, it was a bit weird of BBC to give away both Simm and the cybermen in trailers when the episode itself is written in such a way that it's meant to be a surprise. The episode is enjoyable anyway though.
Perhaps they should’ve announced Simm for The Doctor Falls, but not WEAT. Retaining the surprise but also getting publicity?

>>84269658
God she is ugly

>>84273570
We worked out Razer was Simm as soon as we knew he would be in it.

Post ratings for World Enough and Time NAO

>>84273609
None yet. Keep refreshing http://www.doctorwhonews.net/

>>84273609
5/10

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Fuck I love Simm. Still can't believe Moff did this. I don't really like what Moffat does with the show but I'm grateful that he used his last finale up to bless us with more Simm.

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How can one man be so based?

>>84273626
wait not those ratings I'm a fucking retard

>>84269599
But this is true. Moffat and RTD always backed out of actually killing a companion.
>Jack dies. Gets resurrected.
>Amy and Rory lived out their whole lives, so they are as 'dead' as anybody else would be in a show about time travel
>Clara died, but really she became an immortal pseudo-time lord.
River is the only one who definitively died, but then she got to spend 50 years living with the Doctor and then some more time in a digital afterlife. I really hope that they stick with Bill's death because it would carry some serious emotional weight.

Ha, now I'm hearing Tennant's gonna be the Master. I heard this not from GB or reddit, but a POWER RANGERS forum.

>>84269955
the valeyard does need to be introduced now

>>84271347
>>84271306
>John Simm not recognizable by that "witty" disguise.

Yeah, I called it the moment I saw his forehead.

>>84273630
>gif
Traveled to the past, have we?

>>84273558
I was leaning very strongly towards it being Simm, but his voice reminded me a lot of that weird prisoner warning about how about "the Doctor has a secret, you know" at the start of Name of the Doctor (the Whispermen ep), and I didn't think it was impossible for Razor to be a red herring.

Once it became obvious during the conversation with Missy he was about to give himself away was the only point I was actually 100% sure, and it didn't at all take away from enjoying the surprise for what it was.

>>84273558
Someone posted in an earlier thread something pretty plausible;

- each 'floor' of the space ship is more or less faster in time. the further up, the less advanced the Cyberman model; lower floors will have more and more advanced models going all the way to the Nightmare In Silver models so they have an excuse to be in the episode
- Missy and the Master argue about helping the Doctor and the Master initially refuses but gives up
- they go along with him after arguing about it but Simm ultimately betrays the Doctor
- Missy shoots Simm, he regenerates into her. Missy sacrifices herself to save the Doctor and seems to die in a huge explosion
- Nardole also dies at some point
- Explosion damages Capaldi too, kicking off the regen

>>84273014
Penny

Don't you remember the classic line "Bill dat wos da poope"

All this talk about Spare Parts has me interested in hearing it, and trying out some of the other Big Finish productions, especially the Torchwood ones. Anywhere they're available for download? My weak googling is failing me.

>>84273512
Thanks for reminding me of trash bin Rickey.

>>84273630
Nardole has literally been the only reason I've watched most of the episodes

I want to cry and say I'm sorry to Matt Lucas- we all did him wrong

>>84273759
http://audiobookbay.me/audio-books/doctor-who-big-finish-large-collection-multiple/
I think you can find it in spotify too

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>>84273784
Sweet, thanks.

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>>84273719
I think I'm too much of a Simmboy to not notice. Once I already knew to look for the clues I couldn't help but see them. Like the way he walked at times, there was a moment where he was saying words very rapidly which sounded like when he starts talking about hot greasy fat food in EoT, and even something as subtle as how he narrows his eyes.

He did a great job with the character though. I don't usually find Moffat's jokes funny but all of his Razor lines were solid, and I think that's partly because of Simm's delivery.

So glad he got his wish of being written by Moffat.

And I'm so glad I can post this image with the filename I gave it in 2014 and have it no longer make any sense at all.

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>>84273705
It's like 12 frames.

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>>84273759
I felt that the Chimes of Midnight and A Death in the Family was way better than Spare Parts though.

You can listen to it off spotify (just search Spare Parts) or the mega torrent.

>>84273759
bigfinish.com

>>84272659
>gender changes because of suicide
>statistically most irl post-op trannies kill themselves
Pottery

>>84273797
Better, thank you.

>>84273719
>- each 'floor' of the space ship is more or less faster in time. the further up, the less advanced the Cyberman model; lower floors will have more and more advanced models going all the way to the Nightmare In Silver models so they have an excuse to be in the episode
>- Missy and the Master argue about helping the Doctor and the Master initially refuses but gives up
>- they go along with him after arguing about it but Simm ultimately betrays the Doctor
>- Missy shoots Simm, he regenerates into her. Missy sacrifices herself to save the Doctor and seems to die in a huge explosion
>- Nardole also dies at some point
>- Explosion damages Capaldi too, kicking off the regen
So Capaldi goes out having lost everything he cared about?

I mean yes, Spare Parts was great but it wasn't as tightly written as the other best Big Finish episodes.

>>84273838
Nothing new for The Doctor

>>84273792
I worry your hype has you setting yourself up for failure. I'm sure there'll be a couple interesting scenes next week, but I'm sincerely anticipating way too much noise and bombast in next week's episode to really get as excited as I would've been otherwise to see Moffat writing Simm's Master.

>>84273847
Give some recommendations, Anon

>>84273838
would be kino and set up the christmas special being about redemption or whatever the official description said

>>84273851
>I worry your hype has you setting yourself up for failure
Why are you using future tense? I'm already very happy with the Simm we've gotten. I don't expect next episode to be well-written or fantastic but it has more Simm and that's good enough for me.

It's not like he's known for his good episodes anyway.

>>84273759

It's 99p on Bigfinish.com

>>84273869
I mostly agree with the /who/ rankings https://pastebin.com/XpyAvN0g

Except for:
>A Death in the Family
This sucker should be ranked number one and Word Lord should also move up
>The Chimes of Midnight
This should be the second
>Spare Parts
I think it should move down
>Lucie Miller /To the Death
Did not enjoy
Colditz should be above Neverland
>The Kingmaker
Should be ranked way more highly

>>84273736
Oh, I thought she called it off after the pope bit

>>84273797
Honestly you're better off just posting a JPEG. GIFs/WEBMs that don't even last a second aren't worth the effort.

>>84273759
Literally LITERALLY one quid on big finish right now.

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>>84273873
>about redemption
>12 gets so buttblasted that he finally becomes the Valeyard in Doctor Falls
>Christmas special will be about him becoming the Doctor again before ultimately regenerating into 13

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Why did the asteroid blow up when it made impact with the black hole? How did it make impact with the black hole when it was still so far away, given how big the black hole actually was?

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pic related is supposedly gonna be the 14th doctor.

Thoughts?

>>84269713
It's the last part of Age of Steel I think.

>>84273929
>black hole is a literal hole
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

>>84273933
I would like to see it desu

>>84273929
What asteroid?

>>84273929
Black hole made it suddenly speed up?

>>84273929
CGI department was drunk.

>>84273933
It's going to be Marshall and you know it.

>>84273955
you see the things turning into blue fireballs?

>>84273955
There's three to choose from unless you're getting pretentious over the definition of asteroid/meteor

>>84273937
Necroposting, but iirc wasn't that lady getting married? I don't remember her saying anything about kids...

>>84273913
Oh word, I'll bookmark this

>>84273948
What you on about?

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Why was the black hole visible face-on from the side windows when earlier in the scene they all looked up to the roof window to see the black hole?

Writing my rankings out is starting to get quite long but here it is, friends.

World Enough and Whatever the Rest of the Title Is
Extremis
Thin Ice
Empress of Mars
Eaters of Light
Oxygen
Smile
The Pilot
Knock Knock
Pyramids
Lie of the Land

Or something like that.

>>84273985
They didn't bother making a black hole realistic, and you expect anything physics-related to make sense?

>>84273996
>World Enough and Whatever the Rest of the Title Is
The rest of the title was "Time". Just that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDvBiy26kG4

I'm so glad he's back

>>84273991
I think that's a screen

>>84274010
I like my title better.

>>84274014
He recorded himself saying "play track 3" in an automated message?

So they are near a black hole enough to experience time dilation, but aren't freefalling.

Wouldn't gravity squish them?

>>84274014
Me too. I've been listening to his theme on repeat since I finished the episode.

>>84274025
the spaceship had a thing to stop that

What's the best Big Finish play to listen to on psychedelics?

>Bonus points if you say why

>>84274025
They weren't freefalling in Interstellar.

>>84274023
No, he announced he's going to play Track 3 to his audience.

This is the first finale since probably Sound of Drums that made me genuinely feel "oh shit"
I watched it with dad and he speculated that it could all be a simulation - the shit that happened was serious enough that he was in denial about it being permanent

>>84274007
There's a black hole and and accretion disk, what more were you expecting?

>>84274051
You can see him in the elevator spinning then walking out while the voice calmly says "play track 3" over the intercom. It's a prerecorded message.

>>84274075
I never thought that voiceover was perfectly diagetic.

>>84274060
I basically don't doubt at all that Bill will be saved somehow

>>84274064
It's supposed to be a sphere, not a hole.

>>84274075
Also an option. Maybe he was broadcasting through lift's intercom though.

>>84274095
a black sphere looks like a hole

>>84274100
His voice would not stay so calm and unfaltering while he's spinning

>>84274101
When the camer is close to it, you can see it looks like a wormhole rather than a black sphere.

What did showing capaldi regenerate at the start add to the narrative of the episode?

>>84274115
>implying the Master doesn't have perfect control over his voice
nice try, voicelet

>>84274135
Cliffhangers at either end of the episode. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

Daily reminder Moffat can't kill anyone, there will be a reset button involved or Bill will be fine somehow

>>84274093
she was so awkwardly written out and there's going to be too much shit going on next week I'm not even sure she's going to be acknowledged in next week's episode

>>84274135
Show us that he dies with some great regret or unfulfilled duties, making the episode even darker.

>stomping Mondasian cybermen
>'revamped' voices
>mouths don't even open
>the original 50+ year old costume somehow looks better
>they can fly now too

kek. What shit.

>>84274172
In this case, that's a good thing.

>>84274178
>I'm not even sure she's going to be acknowledged in next week's episode
lmaoing@you

Even if the conversion is actually permanent, how could you possibly think that a companion being effectively killed in a cliffhanger will not be acknowledged in the concluding episode?

>>84274188
Moff wouldn't have just shown us capaldi's actual real final scene
if anything, it happens at the end of episode 12 or the start of the christmas special, and then he holds off the regeneration somehow

>>84274129
Wormholes are spheres dum dum.

>>84274217
>Moff wouldn't have just shown us capaldi's actual real final scene
Doesn't matter, that's what the opening scene looks like and that's the image it creates.

>>84274211
you can effectively consider 'Missy' the companion for next week's episode – you have too much going in with respect to the Master, Missy, the relationship between those two characters, between them and the Doctor, and whatever the hell is about to cause the Doctor to regenerate.. and what exactly do you do with Bill at this point? Does the Doctor apologise to an emotionless robot? Does she fly away to start a Cyberman colony?

>>84274217
>Moff wouldn't have just shown us capaldi's actual real final scene

He might do. The scene was filmed just last week as part of the xmas filming, apparently. Either way it has no impact after that shit Monk ep established he can fake regenerations

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>this many people pretending they recognised Simm straight away

The music in WEAT was godly.

>>84274294
I'm sorry you are so thick, anon.

>>84274294
>tfw had it spoiled weeks ago by dwsr

>>84273996
I'm going for

WEAT
Extremis
The Pilot
Oxygen
Smile
PATEOTW
Knock Knock + EOL + EOM + Thin Ice are all equal because none of them stand out more than any other
Lie Of The Land

>>84274041
Night Thoughts at 1 AM

>>84274294
I figured it out towards the end and felt pretty dumb for not recognizing him sooner

>>84273195

I'm not finding that hard to understand. You've just made up something you think will happen.

>>84274318
>pyramid above lie
literally what

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>>84274323
That sounds fucking terrifying

That fake regeneration in Monk Trilogy was such a bullshit and it ruined the perfect opening of this episode. Why whould I give a fuck if I just saw a fake out few episodes before?

>>84274361
Esp given this was probably also more of a tease than the actual regeneration

>>84274075
nigga i'm temporarily half-deaf and i can hear him saying "PLAYING track three"

Rate the season /who/:
> World and Time Enough
> The Pilot
> Oxygen
> Empress of Time
> Thin Ice
> Extremis
> Smile
> Knock Knock
> Eaters of Light
> The Pyramid at the End of the Earth
> Lie of the Land

>>84274334
You serious?

Pyramid at least gave a bit of narrative that made sense, and actualy continued well from Extremis- and had a pretty good cliffhanger too.

Lie managed to ruin both Pyramid, Extremis, and everything connected to those episodes.

>>84274380
>Empress of Time

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>>84274346
>"WILL YOU WALK INTO MY PARLOUR?' SAID THE SPIDER TO THE FLY."

>>84274381
There is not a single thing in pyramid that makes sense. Nobody acts logical in any capacity. Do you need me to post the pasta?

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best regeneration moment of nuwho lads?

>>84274377
Like how the Doctor was temporarily half blind? ...Do you have a sonic hearing aid?

>>84274324
You know, looking at a screenshot an anon posted earlier, it's actually quite clearly Simm, dunno how I missed it

>>84274405
no i've got a burst eardrum

>>84274377
If you don't listen carefully it sounds like he just drags out the 'y' sound

>>84274400
>been away during on season

Post it anyway

>>84274403
Eleventh Hour, literally anything about it will beat other eps

>>84274403

Kek they do this a lot don't they?

Probably McGann's because I never knew that webisode was coming until it was uploaded and so it was a genuine, and brilliant, surprise.

>>84274392
A better episode, perhaps. Perhaps...

>>84274427
Why did Erica need to hold the door open at all? She didn't go back in to get anything after that. Even if she needed to, why couldn’t she have just opened the door by the handle? It’s not like that’s a difficult task in any capacity

Why did they make a big deal out of the doctor supporting an air strike as if it was an immoral mistake, only for it to never come up again and lead to nothing?

Why did the monks teleport into the fighter jet when they were already using a glowy light beam to control and land it?

Why did they say "Not a single living thing” regarding the future visions when that vision included a tree?

Why was the doctor begging "no please stop don't do this" when the UN guy tried to consent, when the doctor outranks him? He had the right and authority to order him to step down.

The doctor just released every government secret on google and there was no mass panic among civilians? And it will never be addressed again?

Why did the doomsday clock start counting backwards when the doctor set up the bomb? If the monks knew about the bomb, considered it to be a bad thing that was ruining their plan, and they have the ability to manipulate reality (proven by them fixing the security cameras and the doctor's eyes), why didn't they just stop the bomb?

The doctor has literally used the sonic sunglasses to livestream camera footage before - he did it in Under the Lake. Why didn't he do it here? He was literally using the glasses to call bill at that exact moment already, there was absolutely zero reason why he couldn’t have done it. If they had just broken the sonic sunglasses so he was truly vulnerable and just had him call bill some other way there wouldn’t have been this problem.

Bill's consent was out of fear of a world without the doctor, and love for the doctor. The monks wanted love for the monks. Why was this valid consent to them?

And that's ignoring everything to do with the biolab which has a shitton of issues itself

>>84274400
Okay they might not act logically, but story wise it kind of flows on from Extremis in a better way than Lie; and wasn't the most disappointing episode of the series so far

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>>84274417
How the heck did that happen, are you okay?

>>84274460
>wasn't the most disappointing episode of the series so far
That only makes S10 look bad as a whole

So, it's clear now
>Time and World Enough
> The Pilot
> Lie of the Land
>Oxygen
> Empress of Ass = Smile = Thin Ice = Knock Knock
> Extremis
> Eaters of Light
> The Pyramid at the End of the Earth

>>84274471
m8 it has been pretty bad as a whole

>>84274481
I know

>>84274256
You're right, why would a writer even think about following up on a main character, who is the Doctor's close friend, being essentially killed because of him? I was foolish

>>84274470
moral of the story: keep your fucking fingers out of your ears. even if you think you can't touch your eardrum the vacuum of squiggling your ear can fuck your eardrum up.

it'll be better in a few weeks, right now i can only hear really muffled shit and a constant tinnitus-style drone in my left ear. right ear is fine tho. i already have tinnitus so im used to phasing it out

>World Enough and Time
What did they mean by this?

9 > 8 > 10
World was good but it can't redeem the series
I miss characterkino

>>84274294
I would't have if anons hadn't been posting here for weeks saying Razor was Simm (or Eccles) in disguise.

>>84274506
IT'S FUCKING POEM YOU IDIOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>84274506
it's poetry
literally

>>84274506
Had we but world enough, and time,
This coyness, Lady, were no crime
We would sit down and think which way
To walk and pass our long love's day.
Thou by the Indian Ganges' side
Shouldst rubies find: I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood,
And you should, if you please, refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow;
A hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes and on thy forehead gaze;
Two hundred to adore each breast,
But thirty thousand to the rest;
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, Lady, you deserve this state,
Nor would I love at lower rate.

But at my back I always hear
Time's wingèd chariot hurrying near;
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found,
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song; then worms shall try
That long preserved virginity,
And your quaint honour turn to dust,
And into ashes all my lust:
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none, I think, do there embrace.

Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin like morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may,
And now, like amorous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour
Than languish in his slow-chapped power.
Let us roll all our strength and all
Our sweetness up into one ball,
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Through the iron gates of life:
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

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>>84274334
Lie was dreadful, anon.

>when I would have been shocked that Bill was converted if anons hadn't been autistically saying that the conversion would happen since the start of the season
wew

>>84274537
They were both shit and pyramid was worse

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>>84274504
Jesus christ dude, get well soon

>>84274508
8>10>9 (Unless the finale shits the bed then it'll be 10>8>9 for me)

>>84274480
>Lie of the Land ranked third
what is wrong with your senses, anon

>>84274504
Luckily the membrane can regrow.

>>84273929
When something hits the even horizon of a black hole, no one's really sure what happens exactly, but a lot of scientists have some clever theories that I have no fuckin chance understanding.

It's basically the point of no return, and weird shit happens. Apparently in the Whoniverse, if you reach the even horizon you blow up in a little blue puff

>>84274504
>tfw I shove q-tips in my ears like every day
feels fuckin good

>>84273788
the gay puns never end

>>84274555
>if the finale shits the bed then 10 will be better than 8
Are you sure about this, anon?

>>84274580
Medfag is triggered.

>>84274552
>They were both shit
Correct

>pyramid was worse
Opposite of correct.

>>84274554
>>84274575
>>84274580
>4chan is actually sympathetic
i'm being tricksed aren't i? one of you is the Master in disguise.

>>84274577
but that's not what happened in impossible planet/satan pit

>>84274602
>pyramid was worse
pyramid was boring, Lie was actively bad.

Depends whether you prefer something boring or shit

>>84274609
hat part about shoving q-tips in my ears is sympathetic exactly?

>>84274602
Lie doesn't have as much shit wrong with it as >>84274458

>hello i'm doctor who

WEAT more like WOAT hehe
I kinda wish the episode was actually bad so I could make that pun

>>84274596
More consistent at the very least and less Clara.

>>84274609
You caught me, I hope you go deaf, you faggot!

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If The Doctor Falls is shit does anybody else want to form a suicide pact?

>>84274609
Yes this is a highly elaborate facade organised by multiple separate anons designed to lure you into a false sense of security so that we can ambush you with 'Get Well Soon' flowers that will trigger a fatal allergic reaction.

>>84274630
I like it

>>84274633
>monk trilogy
>S10 more consistent than S8
what the fuck are you on

>>84274609
/who/ is a general of peace

>>84274609
I will draw a nyoron edit of your favorite doctor right now just to prove i'm being sincere Anon

>>84274610
In the impossible planet/satan pit the doctor states that a planet orbiting a black hole is "impossible". Plenty of planets orbit black holes lmao.

This black hole was depicted a bit more realistically, but if time dilation was happening at that rate, I can't imagine the spaceship not being completely ripped to shreds by gravitational forces.

It's Doctor Who, it's probably stupid to even try to make it seem consistent

>>84274633
As Moffat would say
It was consistently shit

>>84274609
I'll stop being sympathetic if you act like any more of a newfag tumblrite that doesn't understand 4chan culture and speaks of 4chan in a detached way as if you're not a part of it

>>84274620
That's exactly how I was thinking of describing it. Pyramid's worst offence is being boring, Lie of the Land is offensively bad.

>>84274625
Quality isn't a game where you add up the number of plot holes and whichever one has more is the worst episode, anon. Pyramid didn't have anything even remotely as bad as "The Doctor actively supports a fascist regime and the death of innocent people for 6 months so that he can trick his friend into shooting him for no reason" no matter how many paragraphs you write about it.

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Did she explode?

>>84274643
Who cares if it's shit? It always is. We still get more Simm though.

>>84274643
I'm certain I'm gonna love it

>>84274686
this is a capaldi thread
no tennant era allowed

>>84274671
Very embarrassing post, anon. Hope you're trying to be ironic.

>>84274677
>That's exactly how I was thinking of describing it. Pyramid's worst offence is being boring, Lie of the Land is offensively bad
I actually think some of the dialogue when Bill confronts the Doctor thinking he's evil is pretty great. Peter and Pearl make the scene work too. And the dystopian design was wonderful...

I have literally nothing to say about pyramid though it's so... bland. I actually prefer Lie because it actually tries to do... something

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Someone post the /who/ is a bully free zone image.