/who/ - Doctor Who General

>doctor is shot by cyberman
>regeneration starts
>he regenerates
>it's kris marshall
>no. no, i'm not ready yet.
>he degenerates back into capaldi
>he defeats cybermen
>he goes to ice planet to resist his regeneration

screencap this.

doctor who more like doctor whom

I stopped after Capaldi's first series because that finale was fucking retarded. What has happened on this episode so far?

What's your favorite piece of NuWho music?

>>84262482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACz-gFib8zo

>>84262463
"ice planet" is the South Pole on Earth. He bumps into the 1st Doctor.

>>84262482
I Am The Doctor

>>84262482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEcij0ARkmU

>>84262508
kys

And they said Bill wasn't special.

The very first cyberman was a gay black woman from the 21st century

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>>84262411
Remember Doctor Who was fun?

>>84262470

Just watch it, it's kino.

>>84262526
God this theme is beyond great

>>84262482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrRQapIdaMU
>still no official release of this
WHAT THE FUCK BBC?

>>84262482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaznck2xW-g

>>84262563

Wouldn't the poster remind him of suicidal thoughts? Kind of self defeating if you ask me.

>>84262563
Why would Simm in his Razor disguise have suicidal thoughts?

>>84262511
He could bump into 11 and Clara at the same time since after Cold War (1983) they had to go to the South Pole to retrieve the TARDIS and it could have taken them a few years to secure the means to get there. :^^)

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She's so perfect it hurts /who/.

>>84262563
Yeah it was a few hours ago

>>84262572
this

>>84262623
Hope she's not gay in real life, I want to nut on her face.

>>84262522
https://youtu.be/HD_aLhoxc64

>>84262623
If only she was white.

>>84262623
Have you gone bananas?

>>84262623
She's my Nogfu.

>>84262633
My mum laughed out loud when the cyberman said "KILL MEEE"

>>84262623
She was pretty cute in this episode.

>>84262633
How could you call this grimdark shit pandering to 30 year old autists fun
Doctor Who hasn't been fun since Series 5 Episode 10.

>>84262568
Yeah I would love to see how they keep butchering The Master with that cunt they have. And who can't forget Bill, the first trans black gay muslim companion.

>"When you hug me, it hurts my heart."
>"Aww!"
>"N-no, your chest unit.. it really digs into my chest.."
One of the best lines in Doctor who ever. Morbid humour.

>>84262647
>he only likes pale bland blondes

apparently plays Roger Delgado's Master next week, along the same lines someone is rumoured to play the First Doctor either of next week or in the series finale

Moffat's fucking around with the regenerations, and is trying to make a favourable comparison to the implication the Doctor caused the Daleks in Genesis with the idea here that he is somehow responsible for the genesis of the Cybermen

I've stopped getting my hopes up for this series but it seems like it's sort of 'hit' Moffat he's not going to be able to write for the TV series he always wanted to write for anymore, and is throwing everything at it. He's not worried about consequence, either, because series 11 is probably going to be a hard reboot

>>84262679
>women

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There is nothing literally wrong with being a cyberman.

>>84262688
Both the Masters did a lot of comedy.

>>84262731
No, I like the entire spectrum of whites, from brunette, to red, to blond. You know, whites are the only race (unless you count some rare natives and even then they don't have red) to have multiple hair colours.

>there might be antiradiation gloves... drugs...

wow, was it unintentional?

If 11 was the last in that first cycle, why did he start regenerating when he was shot at Lake Silencio?

>>84262688
yeah that episode with the manic depressive painter and cheesy "ARE YOU CRYING YET, VIEWERS?" pop song at the end was a barrel of laughs and joyous fun.

Name one nuwho cyberman story better than World enough time

>>84262688
>Doctor Who hasn't been fun since Series 5 Episode 10.
The Pandorica Opens, The Doctor's Wife, The Snowmen, Nightmare In Silver, were all pretty fun episodes.

I also liked the episode with the Ganger Doctor, but ymmv on that one.

>>84262737
>the implication the Doctor caused the Daleks in Genesis
But he didn't, except in the sense that he failed to stop them. Davros's plans were set to go off without a hitch if the Doctor hadn't interfered.

>>84262781
Because that wasn't 11, that was the Tesselecta giving off a fancy light show.

>>84262688

There's been plenty of fun episodes, Robot of Sherwood was really fun, actually laughed out loud during the prison scene.

>>84262781
It wasn't 11, it was a robot that looked like 11 or some moffat bullshit

>>84262781
Fake regeneration caused by the Teselecta, have you even watched the show?

>>84262780
No, the new Cybermen are clearly wearing anti-radiation gloves of their own.

>>84262688
Doctor Who hasn't been fun since Glitz was on.

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>>84262767
But not an ass between them.

>There are no genders and every gender in a truly progressive and advanced society

Moffat just fucking die.

>>84262794
he's not solely responsible, obviously; rather, he played a role in their creation and is, in some vague sense, 'responsible' for what they ultimately became

RTD/someone in the BBC production crew were really keen on the idea and lot of books/etc. during his era pointed to Genesis a lot as 'the first act of the Time War' and that the Time Lords, c/o the Doctor, ultimately brought it upon themselves

>>84262798
but what was the point? Were none of the other characters aware he was the last regeneration?

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Poat YFW the Mondasian Cybermen start detatching their heads and flying

>>84262856
>Getting this triggered over one line
wew the state of this general

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The people on the ship are inbred as fuck.

>>84262856
Sounds like someone hasn't moved on from their obsession with gender

>>84262886
Amy, Rory, the gay old man, would not be aware

possibly a bit of a plot hole with River, depending on when she became intricately familiar with the # of regenerations

>>84262780
he had a disease

>>84262886
No they didn't. Except then when Moffat contradicted it by having the Daleks know when he did end up regenerating

>>84262842
>posts assless nog
really made me think.
Anyway, I don't have a scat fetish.

>>84262886
The writer of the episode wasn't even aware.

>>84262793
>The Pandorica Opens
That was series 5, but you're right, I forgot about The Doctor's Wife.
And A Christmas Carol was technically Series 6.

>>84262923
The Silence should have known and called bullshit

>>84262808
Robot of Sherwood was boring shite.

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>>84262411
Reminder.

I never thought I'd say this, but Simm's master doesn't fit without Tennant.

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>>84262411
OLD SCHOOL BABY

>>84262925
>>>/pol/

>>84263050
Is this scene implying that they were made of liquid or something, or is it just for added effect?

>>84262886
The in-universe explanation would be that since people didn't know about the War Doctor/secret regeneration, he would have the Tesselecta pretend to renegerate, knowing it would be destroyed before it could complete the process anyway, to keep up the pretence

1:57
https://youtu.be/lANCuPZ830g
The drums, the never ending drums, never ending, never stopping.

>>84263041
Requesting fan art of her and Martha tag teaming Bill.

>>84263072
Bodies decomposing inside the rubber/steel suit.

>>84263072
effect
they did the whole "monster fucking melts when it dies" thing a lot in classic who

>>84263072
It's implying that they have rubbery faces like you see in this episode

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>>84262897
>mfw, at the last moment, a Sarah Jane Smith cyber keeps The Doctor from capping a bitch

>"Don't you see…it's Doctor Who Season 10 Episode 12: The Genesis of the Cybermen!"

Really?

>>84263144
How many Cybermen allies does he have at this point?

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Nardie still best.

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>>84262897

>>84263223
is he the son of the fat blue man who got his head cut off and put in a box?

>>84263219
>allies
IIIIIII WAITED FOOOOR YOOOOOOOOOOOOOU

>>84263248
He did say he should go back to blue...

>>84263276
The promise of a soldier!

>>84263268
That smug fucker face just screams. "I wrote *cyberstomps* in the script."

>>84263046
>Simm's master doesn't fit without Tennant.
that's how I'm feeling so far and it might even be why they were kept apart during this episode. we'll see how it goes next week but as much as I love Simm's Master, his characterisation can't really "survive" outside of an RTD-helmed series in terms of mood/etc.

I imagine next week he's pretty much going to play a character closer to OldWho's Master than the new series

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>>84263300

I uploaded the wrong pic, but yeah he does

>>84262411
K
I
N
O

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If Bill had her emotions removed, how is she crying at the end?

Wait, did /who/ not like this episode? I thought it was the best one since Heaven Sent.

>>84263378
Simm was cutting onions off screen.

>>84263381
Are you fucking stupid? It literally says in the episode that their emotions aren't removed, but they are instead taught to ignore them.

>>84263378
if the human core is strong enough, it can override the emotional suppression and bleed through a bit. It's happened before.

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>>84263378
Ask RTD anon

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I AM YOUR KING!

>>84263378
Where is the music coming from all the time and why does nobody comment on it

>>84262411
ok i'm only starting up today's episode up now, so i'm not gonna scroll down and spoil [the details/technicalities of] today's episode......

BUT

holy fucking shit I HATE YOU STEVEN MOFFAT!!!!! SERIOUSLY GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY DR WHO AND NEVER COME BACK YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING NEPOTISM-ENABLED SOULLESS HACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and the reason i say that is because earlier today [b4 today's ep] i had noted that we were technically in a rare period of time where moffucked dr who didn't have a [legit/storyline] carrot being dangled in front of us [to compel us to watch] --- you know, there was no HOW'S THE DOCTOR GONNA ACCEPT 100% CERTAIN FATAL DEATH @ LAKE SILENCIO?! WHY DOES PONDSCUM SEE THAT OLD EYEPATCH LADY POPPING UP? WHERE'S MELODY POND? HOW'S THE DOCTOR GOING TO ESCAPE 100% CERTAIN FATAL DEATH AT TRENZALORE?!! WHO IS CLARA OSWALD [PROTIP: not susan or the rani] and uhhhhhhhh for capaldi i guess there's the aborted "why did the doctor choose capaldi's face?" bit from S8 and then, of course, WHO IS 'ME' [maisie williams]?!?! from season 9.

yeah, with the vault-wad being shot early it wass like "ok, outside of meta stuff where we all know that capaldi is leaving and therefore we've got a regeneration coming, man, moffat literally doesnt have some big carrot-dangling "mystery" in front of us for a couple'a episodes! wow, this is rare...."

....SO OF COURSE THE DUMBSHIT STARTS OFF THE 2 PART SEASON-ENDING STORY WITH A REGEN TEASE!!!!! i mean seriously what in the actual fuck!? does he think he's gonna make that many more people trudge through the next 45/90 mins of bullshit just to see how the doctor ended up getting to regeneration mode? [i mean, you're only allowed 1 regen fakeout per season, right?] seriously, your audience is what it is so can you at least treat us with a little dignity?

*buzzer* nope, gotta wow the 5 year olds in the room by starting up a regen tease stinger bullshit IMMEDIATELY. seriously, fuck off and die moffat!

>>84263428
RTD did it better because he didn't show an eye
Showing an eye ruins it

AW SHIT THAT EPISODE

>>84263378
wiblee woblee timee wimee

>>84262623
Why did it all go wrong for her?
I'm sad and confused.

"Ho ho ho come now, Doctor. She was a darkie. It wasn't as if she was human to begin with!"

I get that Simms' Master is pretty edgy and more of a villain than Missy is but, was this really appropriate for a family program like Doctor Who?

>>84263463
and yes, i know: TLDR / turbo-autist / off-my-meds / nobody cares / my atypical verbiage-dense syntax doesn't seamlessly integrate into the usual passing discourse of /who/ ---- i know, you know, ergo we know. thank you and have a nice evening/morning/day/ whatever wherever you are!

p.s. FUCK MOFFAT! seriously, the guy has us pining for chris fucking chibnall as showrunner--- that's how bad things have gotten in thie epoch of moffuckery! [and stevey boy knows this too as he had to delete his twitter, what, 2-3 years ago? i only wish i had the bright idea to "let him know" before i found out it was deleted =/ ]

>>84263473
>Implying Cybus Cybermen have eyes.

>>84263473
Cybusmen were just a brain in the head, Mondasian Cybermen are a full body conversion

>>84263463
lmao

>>84263539
I know
But that doesn't mean that Bill's eye and head are perfectly fine under the cloth

>>84263531
It's 3 in the morning and I'm trying not to piss myself with laughter

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>>84263539

>>84263531
Uhhhh, we have seen the doctor naked.

That pain scene was GOAT, especially how they didn't actually help them, they just made it so they couldn't complain. Reminds me of a hotel I once went to where they pulled the plug on the intercom so I couldn't ask for room service.

>>84263534
>the guy has us pining for chris fucking chibnall as showrunner
>us

25% of us, maybe

>>84263572
Isn't the ultimate evolutionary step in Cybermen to strip out all human parts?

>>84263109
He did it. He killed the Master.

>>84262842
DAMN, Bill's body looks like THAT?

Shame about the face though, totally kills it

>>84263473
Personally I think that showing a tear/eye/face might have just been a stylistic thing, not actually literally showing events as they happened in-world

We'll find out next week I guess

But it may have been, like, symbolic, or something

>>84263109
>the zoom on the reveal
Top kek, it's like '70s Who.

>the ship is getting sucked into a blackhole
>crew member shoots a hole in a black
subtle

>>84263109
Okay /tv/ let's work together and try to see how we can fix this shit season. How we could make everything in this shit, from the retarded Cybermen return to Missy being The Master, completely non-canon

>>84262482

All of it is too overblown. The script and performances should say 'this is dramatic' ahead of the music.

>>84263742
Hahah, /who/ lives.

>>84263463
>and uhhhhhhhh for capaldi i guess there's the aborted "why did the doctor choose capaldi's face?" bit from S8 and then, of course, WHO IS 'ME' [maisie williams]?!?! from season 9.
>it's an anon tries to pretend he's watched series 9 when he hasn't episode

>>84263555
hey 12 coke cat, i don't frequent /who/ or anything and reading gallifreybase makes me contemplate the legit upsides of going for the golden ipod, so i'm not 100% up to speed on the technicalites of capaldi-era-who ergo i'm gonna guess that you're prolly more knowledgeable than me about the last few years, so [drum roll]

did moffat ever follow through on that whole "why did the doctor choose capaldi's face?" bit that he was teasing in at least the first few episodes of S8? or did it end up being some bullshit where he got notes from the beeb saying that the early capaldi era was "too dark" or something and end up scrapping the whole "why did i choose this face?" bit to just focus on giving us the adventures of the hippest grandpa in the universe?

seriously, i'm pretty sure moffat dropped the whole "why this face?" deal cuz it seemed to be pretty foreboding, like it was hearkening some revelation about the doctor's dark side (you know, the one that colin baker wanted to explore and also i think capaldi talked about doing that too b4 S8 but he probably got some notes from the beeb about how kids aint gonna wanna buy lunchboxes with a twisted old grandpa wrought with self-loathing on them....or something =)

>TLDR = did moffat ever address the whole "why this face?" thing that the doctor was carrying on about early in S8?

Cheers,

Jon Blum

Okay, she's dead
http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/820976/Doctor-Who-season-10-Bill-Potts-Pearl-Mackie-Peter-Capaldi-John-Simm-Master-Missy

>>84263793
>dead
Normie term for cyber-conversion

>"Cyber DE-version!"

>>84263787
Series 9, The Girl Who Died. Had a whole big scene about it complete with RTD footage, mate. YouTube it.

I always wanted to be a Cyberman, because it sounded pretty comfy living forever and not being upset, but now I know they're eternally in agony they just don't react to it I've changed my mind.

Oh shit is he still regenerating?

KINO AS FUCK

>>84262767

>whites are a race

Not even Who Generals are safe from /pol/shits

>>84263793

Well if Moffat says she's dead, it's got to be true. Seriously though I hope she is.

>>84263463
>>84263534
>The entire post
wew I'm not even gonna attempt to read all that autism

The state of this general

>>84263907
>Implying /pol/ is not always right.

>>84263907

>trees are a plant

Not even Who Generals are safe from armchsir horticulturists

>>84263858
Why would you not want to be a Dalek? The most superior species, existing as a cute little squid in a nice comfy near-indestructible coffin.

>Exposition, comic relief

Why are there two masters

What is a Mondas (I've never kept up with the old Who)

Why is Simm so based

>>84263752
This is the best season we've gotten since S1

Fuck off boardie

>>84263932
>nuclear radiated slime
>no way of reproducing

>>84262700
>how they keep butchering The Master with that cunt they have. And who can't forget Bill, the first trans black gay muslim companion.

You just sound like a racist, sexist cynic. Missy and Bill are great.

>>84263614
If they do that they will just become generic robots.

>>84263907
t. Bitter mud

>>84263946
>This is the best season we've gotten since S1
Come on now

Also stop using that word

>>84263223
It's kinda amazing that a lot of us thought he'd be awful as fuck when first announced, and now he's one of the best companions of NuWho.

>>84263936
Two Masters because one was already on the ship that the future one landed on

Mondas is Earth's sister planet, but orbited away after a while

Depends on who's writing him

>>84263948
>not kidnapping a cute earth girl, rolling down your tank-coffin armour and having her rub your slimy tentacles until you spurt squid ink into her pussy impregnating her with an abomination half dalek half human
fuck off, slitheen pleb.

>>84263959
Missy is a fucking meme spewing trash aimed towards the 9gag kids whereas Bill is trying to please the tumblr fangirls with how progressive it is.

I'm conflicted. On one hand I want them to keep Bill dead so we can finally have a companion actually die permanently, on the other hand I want them to resurrect Bill since she's actually a good companion, why couldn't they just bring back Clara or Rose to kill?

>>84263534
>my atypical verbiage-dense syntax doesn't seamlessly integrate into the usual passing discourse of /who/

Jesus Christ.

>>84264032

I see where you're coming from with Missy, but Bill is genuinely a good character and well-acted and I don't see the problem you could have with her outside of some latent racism or homophobia.

>>84263948
as if someone on /tv/ would be reproducing with anyone

>>84264032
>Missy is a fucking meme spewing trash aimed towards the 9gag k
Are you implying that fucking Simm!Master wasn't that either?

>Bill is trying to please the tumblr fangirls with how progressive it i
How?

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>>84264032
"How do you do fellow kids?"

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>>84263778
>no, it's an "anon watched series 9 every week as it aired but honestly retains very little practical offhand memory of it"

IIRC wasn't there the episode where the TWEEEEEEST was that the little kid afrid in his bed was the doctor? there was a hustle episode in a space bank? and maisie williams can't die in much the same way parker lewis can't lose cuz the doctor gave her some timelord something to get around death, so she got bored and malevolent for awhile but then started running a refugee camp hidden in london? clara sacrificed herself to save banksy from the people in the walls episode?

also wasn't there a timelord memory/confession cube or something? maybe that was the carrot? it led to heaven sent / hell bent where there was a good episode about the doctor's inner-self-demons and all that, leading to the timelords come back, i wanna say rassilon was a black chick? and in the end gallifrey is technically back but [they'll explain later] and to avoid death [and be available for any much-needed future appearances] clara's in her own tardis living a whole wonderful life in the final second/s before her death by the raven?

yeah i watched this shit as it happened.... S9 was better than s8, but you know... it's still moffucked who, so i often forget a lot of stuff that i used to love to remember all these details about.

>>84263847
>coming to a dr. who general and complaining about autism

[pic related]

also, see >>84263534

WEAT>Power Gap>Dark Water>S2 mid>Death In Hwaven>S2 finale>craig ep>Silver>Next Doctor

>>84264058
She's well acted but her character isnt even close to well-developed

>>84264087
You do know that the Dab was Michelle's idea and not Moffat's right?

>>84264047
>bring back Rose
I don't care if it's to kill her, mutilate her, send her into a black hole to be raped by Omega, Rose should never ever EVER come back to the show. Just erase series 2 through 4 and keep her buried there where she belongs.

About to watch this shit. What did /who/ think? Where does it fit in, in the power rankings?

>>84264115
He approved it

>>84262688
>muh S5

Matt fags are as bad as the Tennant fags now.

>>84264087
>>84264115
I thought it was funny. That whole scene was hilarious.

>>84264115
It does not matter who's idea it was, it is still cringe

Did River just get cucked?

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>tfw i have a cyberization fetish
this entire ep is kinofet

>>84263936
>What is a Mondas (I've never kept up with the old Who)

To be fair, this seems to me like the most prominent time in the new series where the 'twist' relies way too much on familiarity with the old series.

For shit like Time Lords, they'd be hyped up by Tennant's Doctor moaning about them for so long that even if you hadn't watched, e.g., the Deadly Assassin, their appearance was still an "oh shit" moment.

Any other time they've robbed the old series in a sort of 'fanservice-y' way they did enough set-up in advance/in terms of how it's used, that it's been able to stand on its own.

Cybermen were scary because they were crazy robots, Daleks were scary because they were named as the instigators of the Time War and then appeared in a huge fucking space army, etc.

The 'Mondasian' qualifier isn't a scary plot twist if you never watched The Tenth Planet. Coincidentally, I think the next closest "the impact falls flat if you didn't watch the old series" in New Who is when John Simm first appeared.

>>84264109

She's as developed as she needs to be. I'm glad she's not the focal point like so many other NuWho companions have been. She's just along for the ride with the Doctor on his adventures. Her motivations are clear enough and her interactions with the Doctor are consistent and do paint a picture of her character. The only difference is she isn't the center of everything like Rose or Amy or Clara, and that's a good thing.

>>84264178
River is dead anon

>>84264102
i dont understand what you're ranking

>>84264169
>le popular dance move in popular tv show is cringe
Grow the fuck up and stop being annoyed with society.

>>84263935
Imagine the absolute fucking shit storm that would have erupted had she said "comic relief" and "diversity quota."

>>84264056
>Jesus Christ.

hey, keep it on the low! #DiscoStuDontAdvertise

Capaldis era is objectively the best of NuWho.


S2 a shit
S3 a meh
S4 a meh

S5 a good
S6 a shit
S7 a shit

S8 a good
S9 a great
S10 a GOAT

If you disagree your just nostalgia goggles on the earlier stuff.

Why the fuck would they even give them a pain button?

>>84264115
I hope she gets cancer

>>84264240

I noticed you forgot to post your shitty irrelevant opinion about S1.

>>84264216
Cybermen

>>84264240
This is incorrect

>>84264178
She gets cucked all the time

>>84264072
Simm had actual characterization and was able to break from the "funnyman" type for some very cool scenes.

>>84264259
S1 was mediocre.

>>84264267
DINNER TIIIME

When are we gotta a get a Doctor that hasn't been wasted on shitty writing

Every Doctor since Davison has been riddled with poor writing

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>>84264295

>>84264295
Absolute shit taste confirmed for last
Thanks for clarifying it

>>84263847
woops, i had clicked on the wrong post for the last part of that atlas shigged post, so i didn't mean to "come at you" or anything.... actually i wanted to thank you for answering my question! have a great rest of the weekend!

>>84264243
The keypad they were using probably has something akin to Hawking's "SwiftKey" software.

>>84264196
I guess they never really namedropped Mondas as the homeplanet of the Cybermen as much as they've jerked off all over Skaro as the home of the Daleks.

>>84264335
>>84264340
its true though
most of the eps were trash

>3 eps of fart aliens

The whole Exodus/Genesis thing was really fucking dragged out and forced in the ending bit. All for what? So Moffat can feel like he could ever make anything remotely as good as Genesis of the Daleks? It's fucking insulting.

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>>84264240
as much as I'd like to agree, because I love Capaldi as an actor and I enjoy his Doctor, S8 and S9 were not great.

Doctor Who is a B-Rank series with good episodes essentially 'in spite of itself', so most seasons are overall pretty bad. Matt Smith had the best share of good episodes; i.e., where it's not a painful slog to rewatch.

Capaldi has had very few episodes where the episode is actually worth a revisit.

Why didn't they:
1. Turn the volume back up themselves.
2. Stop typing once the volume was turned off

So, are we thinking they'll actually do the Valeyard, or will they puss out and do a hard reboot? Or some other bullshit.

>>84264240
S1 GOAT
S2 shit
S3 shit
S4 shit
S5 GOAT
S6 shit
S7 shit
S8 shit
S9 shit
S10 shit

friends don't let friends showrun Doctor Who for more than one series. thank you

>>84264438
I want them to do the Valeyard, but they haven't set up for it. Maybe next week will set up for Christmas, but there's probably too much else going on in the finale.

>>84264438
Handy was the Barnyard.

>>84264424
>Matt Smith had the best share of good episodes

Wot? 5 sure but 6 and 7 were garbage. Even Tennant was better.

>>84264243
It's an IV/sound system. "Pain" makes sense for a patient to say.

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>>84264267
Missy and SimmMaster are both great because both are really camp, moustache twirling villains which is The Master. I can't even imagine what you mean by "really cool scenes," because you seem like a brain damaged mongoloid, but if you stop and reflect you'll see how the memorable Simm moments - him dancing to Scissor Sisters, him shooting lightning at Rassilon - were really, really fucking silly, which, in case you have not realised, my retarded friend, is Doctor Who. It is silly. You're a whiny /pol/ dilettante without anything of substance to say. Shut up and fuck off.

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>>84264417
>Implying Slitheen are not the pinnacle of creature design.

So how did Moffat get Simm back even though he supposedly fucking hated Dr. Who?
Too bad it wasn't this easy with Eccleston...

>>84263428

>finish work
>get up from desk to head home
>silently assure myself I did my duty for queen and country

As corny as this scene was it's stuck with me.

>>84264485
How did they get away with this design? Literally porn

>>84264477
Tennants only good season was S3 tho

>>84264430
Maybe they are in too much pain?

>>84264424
It's amazing how wrong this opinion is

>>84264430
They do, the second dude she un-mutes goes back to "Kill me" as soon as he can

>>84264515
I'll agree s2 was Garbage outside Impossible planet

>>84264424
>actually ranking KtM and ITFOTN over Mummy
What the fuck?

>>84264295
I wouldn't call it mediocre but it's not as good as some anons say it is

>>84264477
I agree with you that 6 and 7 are overall garbage, but those two seasons still have a number of episodes I enjoy.

The Doctor's Wife, The Angels Take Manhattan, The Snowmen, Nightmare in Silver, The Day of the Doctor, and The Time of the Doctor (and a couple other episodes I liked) came out of S6 and S7; I don't care for the rest, but Doctor Who is mostly rubbish anyway.

>>84264424
>mummy
>awful

What a shit list.

>>84264424
>making a whole spreadsheet for a single piece of bait

Have a (You) for the effort

>>84264538
>>84264551
people liked mummy? it left absolutely no impression on me

>>84264524
No, he was typing it the whole time, all of them are typing some variation of it, constantly. That's whatthe volume switch is for.

>>84264424
>nightmare in silver that high

>>84264430
Maybe they tried? Maybe they can't reach it? If you were alone in a forest and hurt yourself you'd still probably scream in pain even if nobody can hear it, the act alone helps the mind suppress pain.

>>84264417

Unlike Moffat, RTD actually remembered that kids watched the show and used the levity of the farting to offset the fact that these aliens are fucking removing the innards of human beings and then wearing their skin as costumes, complete with scenes of them removing their skin-costumes to reveal their grotesque alien nature. It's a fucking terrifying idea and you need some levity to at least try to lighten the kids' nightmares afterward. Plus, the farting was explained and also used as a device to figure out how to stop the Slitheen (the smell was like bad breath, indicating calcium decay, revealing a weakness to certain chemicals).

Plus, you say "most of the eps were trash" and literally the only problem you can come up with was the farting aliens, implying that the episodes themselves were just fine except for one aspect. Not to mention that the farting only actually came up in the first appearance and not at all in the second appearance.

Hating on S1 is such a retarded meme.

When do the overnights come out?

>>84264566
Yes. If you'd been here for more than 2 days you'd know that.

>>84264608
You're so gay!

Someone fucking answer me.

Are the people on the ship all descendants of the 20 crewmembers who went down or not?

>>84264668
Pretty Much.

>>84264668
Yes

>>84262508
Excellent taste. It conjures so many memories of that episode and where I was at in that period of time

>>84264608
>3 eps of farting aliens
>rose
>mediocre gaypiss
>long game
>parting of the poo

it was shit deal with it

>>84264430
I figured they were deafened, blinded and in too much pain so they are not aware it's making no sound, cannot see the device has the volume down, and are unable to move enough to feel around to find the volume switch

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>>84264668
Yes, here is what their decedents look like now.

>>84264424
>Capaldi has had very few episodes where the episode is actually worth a revisit.

This is very true. This is the first time I've wanted to do a rewatch since Hell Bent. That's one whole series without anything good.

I'm rewatch classic who from the beginning, currently on "The Daleks"
It's surprising that it's actually a very solid story with clever cliffhangers and clever moral dillemas. It isn't even that boring

>>84264668
Yeah.

>>84264577
Nightmare could've been a really bad episode, i.e. overly drawn out and left the appearance of the Cyberman as a last-minute climax and had them easily disposed of.

Instead we get a really good episode where pretty early on you have them set up as the antagonists, a nifty redux of The Tomb of the Cybermen, Matt Smith getting to play his own antagonist via some clever writing, and the episode features Clara in one of the few episodes where she gets to be a solid companion in a good companion, vs. 'the Impossible Girl' slash a companion in an overclimactic episode slash gets killed by a bird.

I think I get why people don't like it – the Cybermen become these speedy, ruthless, killing machines, so that there might be a bit of upset c/o why didn't they choose some other monster of the week vs. mucking up their continuity, but there's just far too much good stuff going on in the episode for me to give a shit.

>>84264547
But everything you liked was shit. Unless you can defend those episodes independent of "durr i liek it *drool*" how about you...shut the fuck up?

>>84264608
>actually defending the farting aliens
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>84264719
It's a beautiful piano piece, glad that Murray Gold still does music for the show

>>84264797
Rumor has it that Murray is leaving when Capaldi and Moff do.

>>84264115

So why did Moff's son go on twitter claiming responsibility for it?

Source, shit-for-brains? Or shut the fuck up?

>>84264797
Trannies are not allowed in here

>List of things the BBC has spoiled in advance
https://hackmd.io/s/SyDcTaDWW

BBC a shit

>>84264664

"Dalek" is also still among the best episodes of NuWho, if not of all time. It especially hits hard if you've never seen Doctor Who prior. The first 5 episodes show this optimistic, upbeat Doctor who never loses his cool and solves problems with wit and charm. Then you get to episode 6 and this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIjUSzpYcuA

Eccleston's run was my introduction to Doctor Who and I didn't even know what a Dalek was. That fucking scene gave me goosebumps back in 2005 and still does today. It's so fucking good. Not to mention "kill yourself" and "you would make a good Dalek." All prime moments in what's basically a perfect episode.

>>84262640
3rd Doctor. Master of Venusian aikido
Where did he learn it?
First and second Doctors never used it

>you are like a mother to me
>Char Aznable and Lalah
WEWWWW

i like how people shit on capal episodes but then defend fucking garbage like farting aliens etc

Bravo Moffat, after years of shit you finally wrote another great episode. I enjoyed this episode more than Heaven Sent.

>>84264774
No one has ever convinced anyone of anything on 4chan. I'm expressing my view, you're expressing yours.. if you want to go down the whole contempt path, sure, but otherwise eh

Episodes like The Snowmen are pretty much why I like Doctor Who. It's an exciting episode that gets right on track and sets up who the characters are, what the motivations are, etc. and is written in a way that plays to Matt Smith's strengths. It contributes its own little bit to the series continuity by namechecking the Great Intelligence.

It's fun to watch, and is a nice, self-contained episode that doesn't rely on too much bombast or epic "the world is about to end!!!" that RTD so heavily leaned on. It's still about an abstract alien lifeform potentially conquering the universe, but it scales its scope down to be practically manageable within the format (i.e. the cast, the target audience, hell, even the budget) for what Doctor Who.

>everything you liked was shit
nah mate, you're the one with the bad opinion

>>84263463

Post more you beautiful man

>>84264877
>Doctor Who ends with The Doctor and The Master disappearing in a battle of wills creating an aurora to shine across the Universe

>>84264836
>Big Dalek reveal at the end of Army of Ghosts? Trailer

This one is dumb as fuck. There's just one scene in the trailer of someone being shot by a dalek beam. It's like they were still trying to keep it secret but couldn't help but spill the beans.

>>84264836
The biggest spoiler on the BBC was 9/11

>draws a circle on a window
>hashtag: the planes have stopped

How can you possible defend this?

>>84263660
You forgot the fact that she's a butterrace.

Why do they enjoy putting bills hair up in that weird style that makes her 100x uglier.

Is anyone else shocked by how enjoyable this episode was? WE WUZ ROMANZ was so terrible it left a bad taste in my mouth but this episode washed away the bad taste and gave me some hope for the rest of this season.

>>84262526

Tennant carried bad episodes better than Smith or Capaldi.

I really miss him.

I miss being hyped. I miss event television. I miss fun. I hate that it got replaced with timey wimey I'm-the-clevererest-shit from Moffat. I miss joy and wonder and awe and compassion being the foundation of Who. I miss RTD. I miss comfy. I miss Doctor Who.

>>84264993
Top fucking kek, is this bait?
Niggers can't put their hair down, lad, it's like wool.

>>84264736
>Martha trust me
>go to Vienna. There is an artist called Adolf
>he can fix this

>Cyber bill shoots the doctor after he tries to get her to remember who she was, and this is what causes him to start regenerating.
>This is foreshadowed in lie of the land, but the person pleading is reversed, and with same result.
>This is also why the doctor is so heartbroken in his regeneration cliffhanger.

Screencap this

>>84264697
>>84264702
>>84264736
>>84264754
How'd they get stuck or decide to commit all that incest though?

Pop down there and come back up, with the dilation they could spend years down there and it'd be maybe seconds to the guy up there. Not like the lift is broken. Did the Master enslave them with his hypnotic influence to make them fugg?

>>84264481
Look at this, the average nigger trying to come up with stupid shit and ignoring moments like the phone call he had with the Doctor, the fact that even though he was singing and dancing to Tennant he was singing about how he wanted to kill him. Why don't you go back to your room and keep eating glue?

>>84265057
It's unclear and will be explained in part 2

>>84265030
>>>/r/doctorwho

>>84264991
My dick doesn't discriminate.

Thicc is thicc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thniFMSOzs
>Or could you imagine if Hartnell said, "This old body of mine is wearing a bit thin, but could you wait there for a tick Ben and Polly? I'm just going to bugger off to Earth 2165 to give my granddaughter a jolly good smacked bottom, before nipping back to the 60's and to fix things so that Ian Chesterton and Barbara Wright win a big cuddly toy at the Bingo, then I'll be doing a quick detour back in time to give Vicki and Troilus a great big wedding cake and to take a photo of them both to put on the mantle piece whilst I'm at it, before quickly nipping back in time a few weeks to meet Katarina before I've even met her before to tell her I shall always remember her, before nipping far forward in time to give Steven his stupid panda Hi-Fi back which he forgot to take with him before he buggered off, before quickly nipping back to the 1960's to give Dodo some fashion sense and teach her some English, and then I'll be straight back here again in order for you both to sing me a nice little song whilst I crumple over the TARDIS, die and change before your eyes into Patrick Troughton."

hilarious

>>84265073

Whatever helps you get through the day, bruh

seriously though, i love you, and you're super special in your own individual way

>>84265030
What? Capaldi is the only thing keeping me on through this mess. He's carrying the whole goddamn show

HAHA HOLY FUCK THAT WAS AMAZING

>>84265098
Whatever you say, uploader of this video.

>>84264668
>>84265057
Actually no. The blue alien at the start said the creatures come up for humans. The descendants are, presumably, the descendants of the 50 crew members, with the first 20 establishing the settlement and then fetching the rest. And since, again, they were taken by force and the doors are locked, likely some Master shenanigans are involved in which the people are kept down there by force.

>>84265098

(view)

fuck off with with your viral shit, you boring tedious faggot

>tfw you have no friends to do your shit youtube series so you have to use Microsoft Sam and co. to disguise your abysmal loneliness

>>84264736
didn't that pic's plot end by everyone on Earth wishing really hard and this somehow gives the Doctor magic and telekinesis?

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>>84265037
You're right

>>84265107

Yeah, but Tennant was better at it, and Capaldi phoned it in for 90% of series 10. Did Eaters of the Light look like a man giving a shit? It did not.

>>84265030
Tennant had some incredibly forgettable/skippable episodes though that even he couldn't save

>42/Planet of the Dead/The Next Doctor/Daleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the Daleks

Same with Capaldi, he's great but one good actor can't save an entire episode

that's why the second half of series 7 sucked so much

>>84265148
It was archangel network

>>84264836
Is there any other show which is spoiled this badly?

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>someone still thinks flying cybermen is a good idea
Can't wait for Chibnall now

Stop bickering, Capaldi is a better doctor than Tennant but Capaldi has had worse seasons than Tennant. RTD wasn't perfect, he made plenty of shitty episodes but I would argue he was a much better showrunner than Moffat. If Capaldi had been paired with a good showrunner these last few seasons could've been GOAT tier but Moffat fucked all of that up. This episode was good though.

>>84265185
bickering is all we know how to do

I have a question for you Anon, if not Moffat, who would you have liked to see showrun for Capaldi instead?

>>84265161

Yeah, but Capaldi couldn't save like, 90% of his run. Most of s8/s9/s10 is shit, and even the average episodes are pulled under by a man not giving a flying fuck.

>>84265182
Please tell me this isn't real.

>>84265098
>Published on Jan 6, 2010

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>>84265107
So why was Clara such a prominent feature of series 7,8 and 9?

It was she who carried the show.
Smith and Capaldi were merely props

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The Master spent years in disguise. Literally years in disguise befriending The Doctor's companion just to fuck her over and transform her into a Cyberman. Literally fucking years of doing that stupid voice and pretending to be retarded listening to Bill talk about inane shit you don't care about. Literally fucking years. Absolute mad man.

>>84265185

I agree. You have no idea how fucking mad I am the Moffat is the one running Capaldi's seasons. One of the best Doctors of all time and he's just being fed shit ep after shit ep in overall shit seasons.

>>84265229
*10 minutes

>>84265182
I can force myself to buy the Ironman Cybermen flying, but Mondasian SHOULD NOT FLY!
Where the hell do Cybermen keep the fuel needed for the thrust?

>>84265185

Man, shut the fuck up you little bitch, like /who/ has ever needed a fucking consensus. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt by people disagreeing with your opinion publicly but also I'm not and you should fuck offerino and stop being such an autist clown.

Utopia was better

>>84265134
>the Master has created a society completely under his control with incest as the only means of reproduction

Motherfucker stole my dream.

Only things wrong are that the people are suffering from the incest, the Master isn't the one fucking his daughters (and getting rid of his sons) and descendants are fucking bongs

>>84265221
>>84265256
It's honestly beyond a joke now.

>>84265272

that's nice, but y'know, kill yourself or take it to /d/

>>84265213
I don't know, there isn't anyone on the Doctor Who writing team that really wows me and I can't think of any television showrunners that would be perfect for the job. If you held a gun to my head and forced me to pick someone I guess I would go with RTD since he has a better track record than Moffat. Although practically anyone would be better than Moffat. Who would you pick?

from Simm Master point of view The Doctor's companions have been: a black girl, an old white man, and a black girl.

Do you think The Master thinks The Doctor has "a thing" for chocolate and lemon parties?

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Please tell me /who/ he'll make it to season 11

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>about 5 million times better than the last episode, the shitty monk three parter
YES FUCKING FINALLY

>>84265272
Incest is a meme term that doesn't mean anything, oh, fucking your mother is incest, right? Yeah, and your cousin? Huh, maybe, what about your third cousin? No? At what point did it stop being incest?

>>84265303
I would pick Chris Chibnall or Catherine Tregenna.

>>84265259
Are you being ironic or do you seriously have no self-awareness?

>>84265303

Ronald D. Moore
Noah Hawley
Charlie Brooker
Fucking anyone

>>84264888
this. people act like capaldi has had zero good episodes even though most of them have been good or okay. there have been some bad ones for sure, every doctor gets them, but he's actually been pretty consistent. people forget the amount of bad stuff you had to watch through to get to the good stuff in the earlier seasons. capaldi's era was the golden age but people were too blinded by hating the current stuff to appreciate it. once were in chibnalls era people will realize their mistake.

>>84265340

Both

>>84265256
Apparently the Mondasian Diapermen propelling off the ground via explosive diarrhea.

>>84265303
>The Doctor has two black companion
>Whitey Masa tortures them both

>>84265323
If Capt Jack, one of Moffs creations, couldn't make it past his own revision of the show.
I doubt a bland charter like Nardol will venture into Chibbs

>>84265357
>Noah Hawley
Oh shit, I should've thought of that. Forget I said RTD, I would pick Noah. I have no idea if he likes Doctor Who but he's a fantastic writer and his zany style would fit.

>>84265227
Clara was TOO prominent. She stole much of the show away from the titular Doctors. It's almost like someone was pretending and writing as if she was a female Doctor and the gentlemen she was with were just her quirky companions.

I hated Clara staying a series too long and was so hyped for Bill. But Bill is so bad I actually now missy Clara and want her back. That's how horrific Bill is.

>>84265374
You just never liked Doctor Who in the first place
now fuck off

>>84265335

I guess at some point there were just enough people all living in the same society that it became possible to consistently meet people you'd never met or heard of before. So if you have any known familial relation that seems weird because you could go find someone with no known familial relation.

>>84265323
Nardole will be the most important person in the doctors life, and the most important boy the universe. He's the impossible boy and he will be brought back to life and given his own tardis

>>84265303
I don't think I watch enough bbc television or television in general to really have an opinion but I would unironically be hyped to fuck if Neil Gaiman was the showrunner

>>84265337
>Chibnall
He's had a horrible track record with episodes for Doctor Who, but Broadchurch is good so I dunno, I'm trying to stay positive

NEW
>>84265433
>>84265433
>>84265433

>>84265374
>>84264888

They're not blinded, though. Farting aliens is a meme. The episodes themselves are pretty fun and totally charm. Meanwhile Peter Capaldi gets PG-edgy and grimdark trash shit that's completely devoid of colour and joy,. Only autists who want to pretend Doctor Who is for MATURE, INTELLIGENT PEOPLE (tm) try to defend his Doctor and his episodes, because, it really isn't any of those things. It's just bleak, intellectually barren, humourless torpor.

>>84265395
What?

>>84265357
>Charlie Brooker

I would love to see him showrun Doctor Who.

>>84262411
>albino blackface with dre ear cans
Brave artistic choice Moffat.

>>84265227
honestly, this is pretty accurate

Moffat had a very definitive idea for the arc of an entire w/r/t the whole Doctor Who/Silence/Trenzalore arc and wrote some really good episodes when he executed on that arc. He's said when he started writing episodes for 11, it was very much in anticipation of 11's regen. Insofar as 12 though, once he'd executed his big idea, he sort of ran out of ideas. Dark Water/Death in Heaven was plundering RTD-style stories for ideas, and S9's finale arc was a huge disservice to Clara insofar as writing her out – probably because he'd already written her out twice, and had no ideas left (ergo a bird kills her?)

S10 has fallen flat because Bill was a shitty companion – Nardole could've been amped up to fill in her shoes in a narrative sense, but the sex appeal wasn't there.. don't fucking kid yourself as to why you're watching the show. Without a gorgeous smile and a nice pair of knockers, the only reason to watch Who is for the sci-fi of it, and it has been a convoluted mess in that regard for a long time now. You're given some quarter in that Capaldi's a fantastic Doctor, but he can't save the shit writing the show has had the last few years.

I love you, Moffat, and Extremis was dope, but you should've checked out when you turned in the catastrophe that was Death in Heaven.

>>84265374
this

Most of Capaldi's episodes have had a darker, gloomier overtone than a lot of other episodes because the fit Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor better--I mean, let's be honest, he doesn't do 'fun' well, which is why a lot of people have fucked off because believe it or fucking not, Doctor Who started as a shitty sci-fi show, meant to be watched for fun, and has turned into some psuedo-try hard drama program.

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>>84265182

>>84265229
>Literally fucking years of doing that stupid voice and pretending to be retarded
I bet he was having fun, though.

>>84265467
Cool, if we ignore that the Silence and Trenzalore arc weren't repetitive cop-outs worthy of only cringes and yawns.

>the Doctor is going to die! There's no way to avoid it, it's a fixed point in ti - lol joke!
>the Doctor is going to die again! It's a fixed point in time, it's - lol joke!

Such original, much creative.

>>84265335
When it stops making me excited that I'm doing it despite society telling me it's wrong to.

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>>84265182
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!!

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>>84265229
this is the shit that Delgado-era Master used to do lol
i remember reading this Delgado-era story once where he turned Ace into a limbless quadruple amputee with a carry handle between her tits literally just so he could make the pun "Carry Ace" and it was perfectly in character

i love it

>>84265523
I'm not a fan of the part of the arc
>The Impossible Astronaut
>Day of the Moon
>Let's Kill Hitler
>The Wedding of River Song
because Moffat shoehorned too much River Song into it, but /tv/ loved those episodes back in 2011 or 2012 or whenever it was.

>The Eleventh Hour
>The Pandorica Opens
>The Big Bang
>The Time of the Doctor

those are all high watermark episodes for the show

>A Good Man Goes To War
wasn't *great*, but had some strong scenes. if they'd ever capitalised on more of what was set up in it, it would've been looked back on more favourably

>>84265590
new iconic what?

>>84265594
fuck the VNAs

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Post yfw Bill get un-cyberconverted in The Doctor Falls and lives happily ever after.

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>>84265959
I prefer happy endings, The show doesn't need to be dark, plus death is a really cheap way to try and force the audience to have an emotional connection with the characters.

I unironically didn't pick up on whatshisface being Simm until he confronts Missy. Am I stupid?

>>84265959
What's wrong with that all of Moffat's companions are dead

>>84266152
None of them count and you know it.

>>84266089
It's just painful to watch something like the end of WEaT knowing that there's absolutely zero chance it's going to matter because it's all going to be reversed and Bill will be fine. I'd rather they didn't do the Cyberconversion thing at all.

Iast of the /who/ lords