I liked American Psycho and Fight Club for their Neo Noir appeal,

>>84190279
classism

It's about committing adultery and the personal hell you drag yourself along with it. Losing your soul to lust and temptation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAjdhWOMGI&t=2s

What was the password again?

>>84190476
"muh dick"

it's not really about anything

what do you mean by neo noir?

Fight Club is a movie about a dystopian future, it isn't noir at all.

Psycho is noir in that they wear double breasted suits but it isn't really noir either.

Neither were acknowledging and rejecting the conventions of 1950s Noir cinema.

I think you just used that word instead of Dark or Gritty.

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>>84190519

>I don't want entry level chit chat about the illuminati and women's true colors like we had in the last couple of threads
These aren't something you can just ignore.

>>84190279
Step 1--good movies are not about "insert simple subject here". There is no secret message. It's fucking art mate. Get off that zack snyder shit. There is no "moral" to be gleaned. Let it sit. Let it simmer. Just think about it. Pay attention, and just let the characters, motions, relationships melt into your mind. People see what they want to see.

It's the ramblings of an out of touch baby boomer who doesn't understand or relate to todays sexual dynamic so what he can relate to is Swinging and Key Parties.

It was kind of sad desu. Plus Cruise couldn't even kiss his own wife on camera without looking uncomfortable.

>>84190549
it's more about stanley kubrick's life and death and the debate that comes around it. why do we talk about it if it's so apparent it's meaning?

>>84190595
The same people who look for cliff note's of the meaning of art are the same people who can't accept coincidence.

>>84190635
maybe

>>84190580
I think he understood today's sexual dynamic

>>84190529
Well, I use that term because once I was searching for movies that I liked and I stepped into the "neo noir concept" and when I looked for neo noir movies "The Matrix" , "Fight Club" and "American Psycho" popped up, all from the late nineties, it really makes you think.

>>84190686
I disagree aside from "women are not to be trusted" he kind of looks at things like an old man who went to his last fuck party in 1974

>>84190746
i don't know what we think has changed so much people have always been the same

>>84190686
>>84190746
Nah mate the old like was right. Producers at Hollywood invite child actors to their estates and get in the jacuzzi naked then they get fucked by the producers. He's also right about women, Alice's rant was mean-spirited but was spot-on

>>84190817
>the old like
did you a word?

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The thing that really bugged me about the film is when they force him to remove the mask, and then the next day when he talks to people everyone who may have been at the party knows who he is, while he doesn't know at all. Creepy as fuck.

>>84190882
Did you know Kubrick was Jewish

The movie is about human relations. The point is how everyone has two sides - the social common sense side and the sensual side. Both of those sides are in a conflict and how they can't coexist with each other.

The illuminati shit is just pleb red herring.

>>84190922
oh lol kike

yeah i think he was right too

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Were the women just toying with him?
Is this movie about the naiveness of men?

>>84190977
Yes Bill was naive. That's why the tile is Eyes Wide Shut, it's because Bill doesn't see the truth

>>84190977
>men
bill is naive. humans can be naive.

>>84190889
Maybe they thought he was the doppelganger dude that the dead man's daughter was going to marry.

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Also, what's with the lights? Was this supposed to point out the "lie" of social dynamics that we are forced to live in? Someone please explain, because later in the movie at the satanic ritual we don't see any lights like in the rest of the film..

>>84190279
A meditation on temptation and desire. Flirtation with AIDS was spicy at the turn of the century. And a red felt pool table.

>>84190944
He's one of the few jews I like. He actually had a moral fiber and called the zionists out

>>84191028
I meant naiveness in relation to women, sex, and real intentions, Sorry if I didn't express myself correctly, I didn't mean it in a general sense.

>>84190279
kubrick's best.You're a pleb if you don't like it.

>>84191138
i think i can agree with you that we have a social naivety these days. sometimes when someone says men i'm not even sure who they're referring to. not in a some people with vaginas are men sense of course.

>>84191092
>Kubrick nevertheless instructed Raphael to expunge all Jewishness from his adaptation.

last time we had this thread someone posted a link to an article describing jewish identity in ews

http://www.deepfocusfilmstudies.com/eyes-wide-shut-jewish-identity.html

pretty interesting for anyone interested in jews

>ews
>jews

i mean c'mon

>>84191138
yeah he wasn't playing the game he was just kind of going with the flow

he was definitely naive to all the weird sex shit and power games

power games over sex seems to be a big theme

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>>84190279
There's no details, cause the release we got is not the final cut of the movie that the Kubrick imagined. After his death the movie fell into WB exec, and they cut out and changed whatever they wanted.

>Eyes Wide Shut was Kubrick's last film, as he died six days after showing his final cut to Warner Bros

He had a pre screening for the actors and WB exec, and all of a sudden he died 6 days later. Yeah right.

>>84191545
the jewish/italian mafia killed him.

>>84191545
(((what))) do you think was in his version that they had to kill him?

>>84191593
Children being forced to have sex with old men

>>84191545
it took me a while to come around to it but i now have no doubt he was killed

>>84191593
We'll never know for sure, one thing that is known is that they cut 20+ minutes of the footage at least. WB confirmed this. Other inside sources say they cut up to 1 hour.

I'm confident that the WB still has his original version somewhere stored tho.

>>84190279
bleakness of humanity? evil? sex as a tool? fuck if i know i've only seen it once

is eyes wide shut art?

>>84190736
Non of those movies are neo-noir

>>84192051
I know, I was only explaining my ignorance, give me a break.

>>84191593
Tom Cruise's character at one point gets separated from the masked woman and gets lost in the mansion, and randomly stumbles in a bloody room with a pentagram-like circle in the center, implying that someone was sacrificed there, he gets shook and leaves continuing to act like he didn't see it.

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Why does he wear the mask /tv/?

>>84190736
Literally none of those are neo-noir. Dark City is neo-noir. Blade Runner is neo-noir. Brick is neo-noir.

>>84190922
He was Jewish but he hated the Jews. He once told one of his collaborators that he thought Hitler was right.

>>84190977
These two chicks were so hot.

>>84192051
Not true. The way the Trinity and Marla characters come into the protagonist's life is very similar to the Noir trope of the femme fatale. Those films also deal with the main characters traversing the seedy under belly of society something you usually see a detective character doing in film noir.

>>84190279
secret clubs and orgies are the shit

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tell me about the mask.
if i pull it off can he see?

>>84190977

beacuse they are mind control women you idiot.

Thats why they act all weird including Alice

>>84190571
This. The movie builds tension really well, amazing acting and stunning music, the dialogues are top notch SPOILER like when she confess him her fantasy with the Navy guy, the talk with the PizzaPimpf, etc.

It's so full of hidden messages that MAKES SENSE with the plot, SPOILER the whole Rainbow lights in the night giving the idea of him being in a dream.

WHEN HE FUCKING FIND THE MASK RIGHT NEXT TO HER WIFE.

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>>84192362

>>84193399
Lurk more until you learn what spoiler tags are, newfag.

>>84192524
This, even Kubrick's wife is German, and she has some family ties to another film maker who used to make anti Jewish propaganda movies for Hitler during WW2

>>84193629
This lad gets it.

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It's about marriage and how Bill strayed way too far to fulfill his own carnal desires even though he WAS fulfilled, his wife wasn't. He couldn't satisfy his wife.

>>84191545
If it's all part of a le conspiracy why would they not cut the whole sex orgy mansion shit out? Why did they keep the pedo shit? They could have turned this into a movie about weird relationships if they really wanted to. Jesus, you're dumb

>>84195394
It would have been more suspicious let the movie premiere and they probably use the excuse of the pedo shit being considered child pornography and "indecent" to show in a R rated movie

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>>84195394
Do more research on Kubrick and his filmmaking ways, his attention to detail and how he used to edit his movies until the very last second before release.

He had tons of footage for this movie. Who knows what other kind of stuff he put inside that they cut out.

Why did kubrik Introduce cuckolding with that scene in which Tom Cruise's character is driving while he imagines his wife having sex with the navy guy?
Does that has anything to do with 4chan's obsession with it and an explanation?

>>84192362
That would explain a lot

>>84195636
It was a connection to how his daughter and Cruise had been brainwashed by Scientologists, whose founder, L.Ron Hubbard was a navy guy and founded Sea Org as a branch in the church

>>84195684
You know this movie was based, verbatim down to the dialogue, off a book, right?

>>84195903
That specific scene the other guy is talking about wasn't in the book

>>84195394
The film was re-edited to convey a different story. Kubrick was one of the few directors of that period to have directors cut, meaning that the studio was contractually unable to re-edit it, unless of course the director is dead.

Now you tell the rest of us here since you're so smart, how he died only 5 days after showing the pre screen movie to Warner Bros Exec.

>>84191435

He probably just didn't want audiences to make the connection of Jews and Secret society's as it was never the intention of the piece.

>>84196394
>how he died only 5 days after showing the pre screen movie to Warner Bros Exec.
He was 70 years old and he suffered a massive heart attack while sleeping. Is that really so hard to believe?

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>>84190279
>what is this movie about
>don't talk about the luminadi

What did he mean by this?

>>84196432
yeah it's not like the antagonist is a jew or anything

>>84196613
That's a fair point but still you can't say its not fishy.

>>84190279
Its about the id vs the superego

>>84197171
too jewish for me

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>>84190279
This is the only Kubrick film I still rewatch

If nothing else can we all agree that Nicole Kidman's portrayal of someone who is smoking pot was the least convincing stoner performance ever put to film

>>84190279
It's a movie about a manlet trying to hang out in the big boys club but getting embarrassed and humiliated because he's a manlet.

Also his wife is cucking him.

>>84195636

Jealousy.

He didn't fuck one woman.

>>84197329
it was bad yeah now that i think of it

>>84197440

Sorry it wasn't a Seth Rogan parody

>>84197458
that's ok i'll get over it

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>>84197329
>irrational perspective that brings out lots of real emotions
>talking in circles
>almost complete introspection
I'm not sure I can agree that it was all that unconvincing - lots of people get lots of different ways on pot, especially if they are the type of upper-class urbanite that probably has both a good education and a therapist. Like she's probably on Benzos and wine too, so

>>84190279
ignore the ugly reality of what the world really is. you're helpless to do anything. go fuck your wife instead.

>>84190736
So your a kid?

>>84197738
best answer so far

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>>84190529
You are a fucking idiot, neo noir are movies that borrows from noir such as low shots, heavy use of Shadow, and of course the femme fatale.

Get off this board

>>84191839
I think you can find videos of cut scenes from EWS on the internet
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120663/alternateversions

>>84190279
OP, this movie is garbage. David Cronenberg's Crash was better!!!FACT!!!