Why couldn't Starfleet staff their ships full of hologram

Why have a crew then? Just make a drone ship with no living spaces.

>>84025126
Why did you just rephrase OP's question? Unless you mean for all ships all the time. I think humans would still want to see things for themselves. But for war I can understand why they should lean more heavily on expendable crews.

>>84025251
The title suggests that holograms and androids should "crew" (the word crew was used) standard Federation ships which would be pumped out, which is insane.

If you wanted to make ship's computer-based ships without the need to support life the designs would be completely different. This is not rephrasing OP's question you fucking mongoloid.

>>84025097
Well, one of the Star Trek tropes / memes is that everyone and their moms can defeat the latest and greatest AI simulations, even the AI simulations that cheat.

so AI isn't that great in Trek verse

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>>84025097
why build a ship intended to have a crew, then fill it AI

why not just build a new ship designed to be operated without a living crew. just make a platform to hold guns, strap an engine on it, and push it out. if you don't have to worry about the needs of a living crew, you can have more missle tubes, more phaser arrays, and basically more of every gun.

the only reason to have a living crew is to interact with other living beings.

>>84025097
>Seems a lot less wasteful

Starfleet has nothing to do with rational resource management. A particle accelerator more powerful than anything created on Earth today and an integrated quantum computer are constantly primed and activated, per Starfleet cadet, at all times, just in case they want a cup of hot cocoa or gourmet sandwich to autistically precise parameters within seconds.

It's a human venture of human experience liberated from any economic concerns.

>>84025309
The end result is the same. AI ships. The reason you shouldn't change entire ship layouts though is because you still need evac/transport space you silly monkey.

>>84025441
For warships that's exactly what they should do. But if we're talking converting standard exploratory ships designed to work with human crews then it may be necessary to "staff" them until the dedicated AI ships can come off the assembly line.

>>84025510
A ship that doesn't need life support for a crew and le famblys is going to look a lot different than a drone with incidental support for evacuation and transport, you dumb fucking lesbian nigger.

Ethical reasons
Limited processing power
Rudeness

>>84025097
>>84025510
instead of self driving cars why not just make driving robots

Why not create the universe in a holodeck instead of actually going out there?

>>84025697
Why didn't anyone ever use the holodeck to pretend to explore new worlds and seek out new life if that's what they all supposedly loved? They only ever simulated the past.

>>84025638
You're assuming they're going to serve no other function but war, which is the antithesis of the Federation and Starfleet you subhuman jungle gook whore.

IIRC, humanity at that time is very opposed to automating that which human beings "should" do. They didn't come this far to let computers explore for them, they want to get out there on that frontier. It's human work, and human hands should do it. This puts the people in question at risk, but that's what life is. Life is meaningless without that risk.

But, yes, AI drone ships would have solved a ton of wartime problems. It sort of makes sense if you extend my aforementioned point to war, as in "if we're going to fight, we're going to fight, not an AI fleet". This very sentiment is actually expressed in the TOS episode about the two planets fighting a virtual war and stepping into disintegration chambers when they "get killed" so as to maintain the war without devastating their infrastructure.

TL;DR, letting AI do the work of flesh-and-blood hands, whether it be exploration or war, is frowned upon philosophically in their culture. It may be impractical and romantic, but so is the very idea of being a space cowboy and exploring the stars instead of just letting unmanned craft do everything as they probably will IRL.

>>84025097
blah blah blah blah blah blah humanity blah blah blah

>>84025745
So autonomous spacefaring vessels necessarily need to be hotels too or else they can only be used for war? You're a smallminded transphobic fool.

>>84025462

Exactly, they live in a post scarcity society with magic tech including FTL travel, if you're the kind of person who gets bored doing hobbies or holodeck gaming all day risking your life in space is the only option

>>84025697
This actually sums up my entire point (>>84025754) much more elegantly. They like to do shit for real.

>>84025735
Same point. The past is something they can't experience for real. New worlds are. They don't want to simulate that which they can actually have. It's a stark philosophical contrast to real life. I don't even think they use the holodeck for sex, as it's brought up at least once in STNG as a derogatory implication.

>>84025754
Star Trek is a subtle Human-centrist dystopia. I wonder how this reflects on Gene Roddenberry's beliefs.

Why did the enterprise had 1000 crewmembers, if the only ones doing assignments outside the ship all the time were the higher ranks?

>>84025805
>The past is something they can't experience for real
Except for the fact that they can literally travel backwards through time. Canon.

>>84025841
Think of the episodes as being a highlight reel

>>84025097
Because the federation is not a warring organization.

Their whole purpose is to explore and meet new species, cultures and civilizations and for that you need living beings that can adapt to new situations instead of AIs that can only operate with the presets of the things they already know.

>>84025906
Why do you stupidly believe that AGIs can't adapt and are somehow fundamentally different from organic intelligences? I'd like you to explain your logic in detail.

>>84025946
Because to be able to do so means they will be basically human beings, the only robots in the star wars universe with that level of technology were the robots with Positronic brains made by Noonian Soong and he is fucking dead.

That leaves 3 robots with that capacity, Data, Lore and Juliana.
Data gets killed at the end of TNG, Lore gets dismantled and only Juliana remains.

Can the replicators produce warp core fuel?

Have a hologrphic projector create another projector, then have that one duplicate the first. Now the ship is made entirely of holograms and a hologaphic replicator can make the fuel for the holographic engins

>>84026073
>the star wars universe
We're through here

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>>84026136
indeed

>>84025097
>Androids
Same reason why the Marvel universe army isn't ordering Iron Man suits for every grunt. They cost a fuck-ton of time and money to make, assuming you even figure out how to replicate them.

>AI
I don't think AI is developed enough for the job; EMH was just a doctor-backup.
Plus, AI is janky in the Trekverse. The Doctor can be unstable, most encountered AI is, plus, remember, the M5 computer.

>>84026136
meant star trek obviously

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>>84025097
>Why couldn't Starfleet staff their ships full of hologram and android crews?

You're finally on my level, anon.

>>84026493
replicators BTFO borg all day err day

>>84026642
Doesn't matter, you made a mistake so now I can ignore you. Victory is mine.

>>84026073
The 1701D ships computer generated an intelligence rivalling Data's and also created an offspring who is out in the universe doing god knows what

>>84025097
Theres the risk of alien species of hacking the AI holograms to work for them. This was shown in Voyager with the Hirogen using Federation tech to create intelligent holograms that became self-aware so they could have fun hunting them. They also might rebel against the Federation since they start to think they are a slave race or something. Theres too many problems with holographic crews.

Soong was the only guy that could figure out how to make successful androids so they dont have more androids.

>>84026073
>Complex pieces of technology can only be created by one person and reverse engineering can't change that

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>>84027062

Space Opera has to create bullshit limitations in order for the story to function. It sells people on the idea that humans will remain at the universe's apex, and that existing social patterns will continue on into the future, with only minor progression/deviation.

Pic related is one of the only "futuristic" movies I've seen that came close to grasping technology's potential, and it bombed.

Create low tier IA = You cant trust them with fist contact with new civilizations and critical diplomatic desicions.

Create IA that equals humans = You are literally creating slaves and they will uprise down the line

Creat IA superior tu humans = You are asking to be overtaken by them.

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>>84025097
Space is for exploring and learning bout your humanity, not having piew piew space battles with hundreds of ships, thats why you take the wife and kids too

>>84025097
>only have 1 android
>power fucks up constantly and holograms would turn off
What a shitty Trek thread.

>>84025417
Tell that to M-5

Since Data can be teleported, he can be "copied."

Why don't they use the teleporter to clone Data?

>>84025097

Androids like Data are still supremely rare, even by the end of TNG.

Also keep in mind the Eugenics wars; it's extremely reasonable to think the same fear of replacing people with super human extends to a fear of replacing people with AI.

At the end of the day, do you want a civilization of humans, or not?

>>84026798

Created entirely on accident without ever truly grasping why it happened in the first place.

In a century, we've barely cracked even rudimentary AI; it's very believable to suggest it'll be hundreds of years before we're even close to replicating sentience.

>>84025856
Intentionally time travelling for shits and giggles is stupid and hence illegal.