Which one would you want to be your captain on a 12 years long

>>83948722
If you don't choose Kirk you are a faggot.

>>83948722
Which captain would be the least opposed to me killing myself?

>>83948771

im sure hes the most likely to get you killed

>>83948820
Probably Sisko

>>83948722

Picard. Because he's the best Captain.

>>83948722

Archer. The missions would be the most interesting and he is the least pacifist of them all, including bringing military on board to fight. He retrofitted his ship three times in less than 4 years as he ended up fighting more and more.

Klingons, Romulans, Orions, Borg, Xindi, Vulcans, Andorians, tellarites. Who didn't Archer fight. Suliban. Three random marauder species in the first years, elachi. Every day was a new battle somewhere in Alpha quadrant. He even jokes about it in Home, "You'll spend a great deal of time, boldly going into battle. "

>>83948771
Kirk seems to increase your chances of death.

>>83948771
Have you ever watched an episode of TOS. Its one twilight zone tier nightmare after another.
Janeway objectively has the fewest deaths on her ship, so I'd go with her.

I'd like the middle one to bury his 12 light-years long captain deep in my space, if you know what I mean.

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>>83948951


...right

>>83948722
The answer is always Picard!

>>83948940
Most wasted favourite actor in a fucking sequel that screws continuity…

ENT doesn't exist for me

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The ECH any day.

>>83948722
Kirk
>Pro: Quick promotions due to all the KIA
>Con: Kirk gets all the good alien tail

Picard
>Pro: Get in, do your service, get out
>Con: Every three weeks Q turns you into a barnyard animal for a laff

Sisko
>Pro: Station life rocks. There are bars, shops, and sketchy alien holodecks free from judgy Federation restrictions
>Con: 77% chance that you're the only human being on board, and everyone else is a changeling

Janeway
>Pro: Hottest crewmembers
>Con: If you're not half-Borg or a Hologram, you literally don't matter

Archer
>Pro: In the mirror universe you're awesome
>Con: In the regular universe you're kind of lame, no matter how hard you try or how many times you try to shift dynamics. Also wtf is up with the temporal cold war?

>>83949093

I don't feel it was wasted at all, I feel it got cut short as it was gaining it's legs, missing out on shran, season 5, earth-romulan war, quite a few other things but I don't feel we missed out. I feel like they couldn't give a definitive voice to archer because they weren't sure of the other actors in terms of chewing scenery so they made him kind of the be all kind of guy and when you're writing an ensemble cast, definitive traits help give them a character 'voice' and you see that in Terra Prime/Demons, except they needed to establish those qualities back in season fucking 1.

Hoshi needed to go from shy/scared, to growing into her own in very first season. You needed Archer being intuitive and guy everyone can come to, but also hard nosed space commander when world goes to shit and torpedoes start flying. You need reed with his stiff upper british-ness, but kind of funny and being guy figures things out, in a lot of ways, Trip/T'pol get that early on and throughout but other mains suffer, especially mayweather. The doc was easily most interesting by his traits alone, and held things in a way that made him stand out and he has already seen so much makes him steady in every scene. You needed more ethical dilemmas for him to round out his character and show he had preconceived biases that he needed to work on, that is a very trek theme.

That kind of stuff.

Deepends, If I'm stuck on the ship, Picard. If I'm on the explore team, Kirk

>>83949159
TCW was the meddling of the studios with the producers to cram something in post 911.

Basically a "You put that in or we fuck you to oblivion"

Kirk was best, but I'd choose TNG for the holodecks

Captain
Jean-Luc Picard
of the
U
S
S
Enter-prise

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Picard for maximum comfy.

Sure, every once in a while we'll be boarded by borg or Q will stop by and fuck some shit up, or we'll get into a spat with some cardassians or romulans. But man, I would love to just be like some low level ensign, doing some work in the jeffries tubes (i'd ask the computer to play some light classical music in the background while I work) at the end of my shift I check in with Geordie and let him know the phase inducers or whatever have been improved with a 13% increase in efficiency. He'd give me a pat on the back and tell me to take the rest of the night off. I'd go hang out on the beach in the holodeck for a few hours, get cleaned up, head to ten forward and flirt with some fresh out of the academy young ensigns, trade some bants with the science nerds, and then head off to my big ass comfy quarters, replicate some crab legs and watch some classical tv and films like family guy and infinity war part 2 before I fell asleep.

>>83949347

kek

>>83949243
>>83949093

I agree with the giving the voice for Archer, but they neglected the cast. Mayweather for instance, you could place a random ensign and it wouldn't make a difference.

Basically, they tried to find themselfs for 3 seasons without definite getting the tread until someone like Manny Coto, who knows Trek back and forth start making it Star Trek. Which was too late.

And in terms of being a captain with authority - Archer sucks donkey balls - Even the captain of the Kelvin (and I don't like the reboots) has oozed more presence and competence in the first 30 min. than Archer in the whole 4 season.

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Picars, DS9 is my favourite ST but there's no way to know if Sisko would be a good in an actual Trek situation.

Kirk would most likely get me killed and Janeway would probably turn me into coffee.

>>83948722
Picard.
Unless it's a movie you have better chances.

Kirk loses people so much by season 3 is barely fazed by it while in the first season he went autistic all the time someone died.

Sisko causes wars and hangs up with war criminals so no.

Janeway will probably have you replaced with a quantum clone

>>83948722
Picard. Every other choice is for animals.

>>83948722
>If you're a security officer or lower you're a literal human shield, after you die your bosses will take all the glory for a successful mission
>Transporters kill you and replace you with copy; if you refuse to go in one you'll be reprimanded and called a pussy
>the only source of entertainment is the holodeck which is prone to accidentally create self aware programs or trap you inside, also your history is logged so everyone knows about your loli sleepover party

No thanks, I think I'll save up credits and buy an intergalactic greyhound ticket to a galaxy far far away.

>>83948977
>Wanting to be fused with neelix
Janeway made the right call in shutting nonsense down.
Even if you do die you get replaced by a parallel universe doppelganger, or raised from the dead as a sexy ass space ayy lmao, or a weird lifeform that mimics your entire ship and has its own adventures.
Plus more holodeck time allowed than any other ship in starfleet.

>>83948722
Janeway girl for sex obviously.

>>83950477
>if you refuse to go in one you'll be reprimanded and called a pussy

when did this ever happen? They always seemed happy to accomodate people who would rather shuttle to and from planets

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Unironicaly The Sisko

>>83948722
Kirk and Picard are tied for #1, but Picard would have a much more advanced understanding of science given that he's from 100 years further into the future, so I pick him.

>>83950602
Enjoy getting scammed by shady visitors on the promenade, overpriced beers at Quark's, weird bajoran holy people vandalizing the station (including literal terrorist attacks), getting randomly stabbed in the corridor by angry klingons that lost at the dabo table, sisko losing control of the station to old cardassian security systems, jem'hadar boarding and killing you as you try to escape

but it'd be cool to hang out with o'brien and bashir so... maybe

Picard
Archer
Janeway
Kirk
Sisko

>>83948870
Sisko did everything to stop Worf's brother from suicide.

>>83948771
This

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>>83949151
100% Success record, 0 Casualties, Know for Major victory accomplished by pure style
He's better at being pic related than pic related in a way.

>>83948771
>gets you killed
>women will only have eyes for Kirk and you have to make do with Sulu

On the other hand with Picard:
>extremely protective of his crew and always tries to solve shit peacefully
>bald, so no women cares about him
>access to sex sims on the holodeck

>>83949480
>And in terms of being a captain with authority - Archer sucks donkey balls
Thats kind of the point of Enterprise as a whole. Hes not the superconfident and self assured captains from the rest of the franchise because he doesnt have the benefit of the tradition he's helping to establish as absolutely necessary by virtue of stumbling through every encounter and falling ass first into a solution.
Theres a good character arc with him across 4 seasons growing into his role. Would have been cool to see how the mind meld with sarak tempered him with more patience and wisdom as he spearheads the federation and has to constantly save it from itself.
I agree the rest of the cast was underutilized and underdeveloped. Every time they give mayweather something to do I genuinely liked the character. A spacer helmsman is a good sci fi character, and works well in the kind of story the show was telling.
But trip gets plenty to do, and t'pol has vulcan stuff and learning about humans. Phlox is best doc, and I would watch a Phlox M.D. show.

>>83950875
>bald, so no women cares about him
>Implying space bitches didn't get sloppy wet over bald men
>Enjoy not getting that bolean pussy

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>>83950875

Honestly, if you're going with the best place to get laid you'd much rather be in DS9, at Picard's you may not be competing with him, but you have Riker nailing everything in sight.

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>>83950975
Bolians love hair

>>83948722
Sisko. He seem most mentally stable.

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>>83951109
>but you have Riker nailing everything in sight.
just as planned

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>>83950708
>but it'd be cool to hang out with o'brien and bashir so... maybe
Precisely

>>83949267
>TCW was the meddling of the studios with the producers to cram something in post 911.
The temporal cold war is introduced in the pilot, which aired in the middle of september, 2001.
The xindi arc is >muh towers, but still manages to do a season of voyager better than voyager did.

>>83950708
>hanging with cucks
>cool

>>83951412
>cucks
One is happily married to an Asian chick he BLEACHED and the other fucks everything with a hole.

>>83951380
Remember when that ensign who gets assassinated in season 7 asks to come with them on the holodeck they get super weird about it.
You could put a baby in keiko though.

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Unrelated, but where should I start watching Star Trek for the first time? TOS?

>>83951491
they are still emotional cucks

>>83951588
How so?

>>83951628
watch the show

>>83948722
Picard solely because he's the only series I watched.

>>83951539
TOS is hard to rec as the entry point. Its the patrician's choice, but the production value and campiness could turn off a lot of people.
Start with the TOS movies. TMP is good, but a lot of people hate it. If you start with wrath of khan you'll be fine. Watch them, start with TNG then DS9 then if youre still invested VOY and ENT.
Ignore the TNG movies,watch galaxy quest instead.
If you're into it do yourself a favor and watch TOS at some point.

>>83951695
It would help to know what "emotional cuck" is supposed to mean.
It's not like you can raise the emotions of another man.

>>83949347
Ill be sitting right there next to you in my blue and black jammies. Just spend everyday going over science and sensor logs the entire shift and maybe catching some anomaly that I can bring to.... I don't know is Data technically the chief science officer on the D? I guess Ill bring to him. He'll know who needs to see it I bet. Then yeah off to Ten Forward to get a few drinks and see who's around to bs with.
In the few scenarios where I may actually be called on in a red alert or emergency situation I've got one of those puny hand phasers Capt Picard had. They won't even want me to help fight.
Enterprise D life is where it's at. Just gotta save some leave for when we deal with that ribbon nonsense.
And forget about the E.

>>83951764
>wants to be in the uniform for betas

>>83951412
They're fucking eachother. They're reverse cucking rom's wife and keiko.

>>83950760
He found out after Dax screwed it up. Then he yelled at Worf and Dax.
Thats all he did.

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Sisko and it's not even a close contest. With him you get to live on a massive comfy station with tons of interesting people, and there is always going to be shit tons of new people coming and going so you don't get bored of the same old people over and over, yet the actual starfleet people will be there for a long time so you can still make good friends as well. Also you can go to bajor and shit for shore leave and be on an actual planet instead of some shit holodeck.

>>83951801
>Crusher and Troi were commanders
>All you need to pass the bridge officer exam is to be willing to order people to their death
Its a fast track. Enjoy surviving to lieutenant in a red or gold shirt, asshole.

>>83948722
Picard, no question.

Yeah you'd really have to follow starfleet protocol and shit but you wouldn't feel like it was out of rote devotion to the text.
Picard would instill a sense of respect for the very best of the Federation and Starfleet in you while pushing you to succeed/rank up.
>paraphrasing red shirt worf: "the captain wants his junior officers to be always learning"

Plus you know hes not going to just throw your life away for some dumbass shit - and if push comes to shove, he'll absolutely throw hands with whatever hostile ayylmaos come around to get you home safe.

>Janeway
So rigid in the prime directive that she fucked her entire crew repeatedly for a decade. Likely to sell you into slavery if it avoided a PD violation.
>TOS Kirk
If you dont work on the bridge your life is entirely disposable to him so long as muh risk vs reward
>Sisko
the man has real issues with past trauma, believes himself to be the emissary of god-like beings *and* acts accordingly, doesnt seem to do much in terms of mentoring, building officers up etc.
>Archer
Do what I say or get fucked, I'm always right because I'm the Captain. (Plus 12 years on an NX vessel would be hell)

Picard is the only good choice for a young officer.

>>83951801
Have fun in your red or gold uniform then. They expect you to do shit.

>>83951957
Troy had years of experience on the bridge and was fucking the first officer.
Crusher was one of the most well respected doctors in the federation and was fucking the captain.

>>83951759
Oh No!!! Don't you skip First Contact!

>>83951383

>The ship takes damage
>it doesn't magically get fixed
>it has damage shown to be repaired over multiple episodes
>shit going wrong with the ship as they try to patch it together
>Trip basically dies trying to give them a new advantage against the xindi

The entire third season has more consequences for the crew and ship than all the other series combined because it doesn't hand wave away the losses, it counts all of them till very end. It is completely unique in the universes history.

>>83952050
They expect it out of blue uniforms too.
But I'll be in my gold uniform playing poker with Data and Geordi, sharing holoporn programs with Barclay, and work on engines to the sweet hum of the warp core.

>>83952119
First Contact is shit

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>>83948722
This guy. His ship was the most fun.

>>83952165
Ill be hanging out with all the hot nurses and science girls then.
>sharing holoporn with Barclay
If you want to i guess

>>83949159
>Con: Kirk gets all the good alien tail

Tourist detected.

>>83952223
Do you how hard it is to program a horny Troi just right? That's like thousands of lines of BASIC.

>>83948722
Riker

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>>83952223
engineers get the best qts

>>83951957
>>83952072
Troi first starts thinking about Commander cert after that incident where Picard ends up trapped in the turbolift with the kids.
She was seconds away from having to make an executive decision that might or might not kill hundreds on the ship - in order to guarantee saving the rest.

After that, (and probably combined with years of just being beside Picard and Riker) she seems to have really taken an interest in command - which is shocking desu because her character seemed way more likely to never want to be put in that situation ever again.

Crusher gets commander rank for being chief medical officer, comes with the job as a bonus. But she does know how to lead people (somewhat) because as chief surgeon etc. you have to be able to manage people in a crisis and make tough calls.

All in all they are definitely exceptions to the rule. It does make more sense that Red and Gold would be better suited to command tracks overall.

>>83952277
>Fuck new galaxies, let's explore new sex practices on Risa instead

>>83950903

I think he did pretty great for what he was given. And to people that complain he is a my way or highway kind of guy..so are a lot of commanders, to the point in universe they usually just try to convince him until he either see's the light or when he was brainwashed, mutiny, and save him from himself.

>>83952323
Even Picard can't manage it to command in a blue uniform.

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>>83952323
>Crusher gets commander rank for being chief medical officer, comes with the job as a bonus.

>lieutenant, i cant patch up your penis with these tools
>i prescribe a footjob administered by me, and thats an order.

>>83952072
>Troy had years of experience on the bridge
Go to ben Diana. You sat next to the captain, tried not to look bored, and offered insight like "the romulans are hiding something."
NO SHIT BITCH! THATS WHAT THEY DO! DON'T TELL ME, THE KLINGONS ARE ANGRY?

>Captain
Picard
>Engineer
O'Brien
>Doctor
EMH
>Security
Odo
>Science
Data

>>83952532
Bashir was a lieutenant.
Bones was a lieutenant commander.

>>83948722
Kirk, since I'd be in a ship with Spock and I always wanted to experience a Vulcan pon farr

>>83948722
Kirk, obviously

>>83952119

Everybody hates on that one but as a kid I loved it.

>>83948940
Thinking archer is more militant than ill make planets uninhabitable to get one man sisko.

>>83952634
Bashir is the era-relevant comparison.

If you're CMO of the flagship on deep space exploration, you realistically cant be less than a commander. If you have to relieve the captain of command or force a quarantine to kill crew members, nobody is going to follow some lieutenant with an MD.

But, she was apparently super skilled (while Polaski is on the ship its because Crusher is teaching medicine at SFA) so maybe it was 50/50 merit and assigned-rank.

>>83952785
He only made it uninhabitable to humans
Archer killed millions

>>83952809
DS9 isn't great for comparison either.
It wasn't a ship and it wasn't Federation property.

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/trek/ is always the comfiest thread in the catalog

>>83952851
True, im sure the command structure was super fucked up. I just figured if you were going to compare doctors it made more sense to use Bashir and ignore Bones since who knows to what degree Starfleet has evolved in those (75?) years.

Picard or Janeway, not even a contest really. I want to come back alive.

>>83952882
Doesn't matter actually since a CMO's authority isn't based on rank and supersedes even the captain's orders.

>>83952809
Didn't Crusher explain why she got her commander rights when Troi asked her in one episode? I guess it was just a personal choice and nothing required by regulations

I started with TNG

>>83948951

She'd have had the most if the events of Year of Hell hadn't been retracted by some time fuckery. I wouldn't say it's fair to count any movies either because some captains don't have them and they account for a lot of deaths.

>>83951539
TNG would be allright. Then I would go for TOS.

You don't even have to watch TNG in order, or wath all episodes for that matter. Look for a ranking of best episodes and start with that. Most are autoconclusive, and the show doesn't have a spoiler effect.

>>83953175
Which is exactly the reason you want to be aboard the USS ResetButton.

Capt. Jonathan Archer, he seems like a true bro.

>>83953225
>Serving on a pre holodeck federation vessel
No thank you.

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>>83948722
>Archer
we may get borded but we will beat them back and survive .
>Picard end up getting replaced along with the rest of the crew by animals or alternate reality versions of us .

>Archer wins

>>83953249
Who needs a holodeck when there's already Vulcan pussy on board.

Miles "Smiley" O'Brien.

>>83948722

Archer, and if possible, I'd join the Maco's. Earth-Romulan war here I come. We're going to send those shifty ear bastards, packing.

>>83948722
depends on if you choose Picard do you get stuck with Wesley for 12 fucking years too

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>>83953257
http://scrolldowntoriker.com/

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>>83948722

The Sisko

>>83951412
>caring about Keiko at all

wew lad

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>>83949159

All your con are funny

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>>83948722

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>not going with Captain Worf

>>83948722
never in a million years join the star fleet. Shit is terrifying. I'd rather kill myself than join Kirk or Picard's crew. Sisko is the only sane option.

Sisko.

>>83951114
>flagship of the federation.
>picard picks a barber from an apparently bald race.

>>83954551
He has nothing but contempt for hairy normies.

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>>83951217
This is the best thing that's happened today

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>>83952277
>>83953257
>>83953954
"Commander Ryker, what are sex organs?"

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>>83948722
>not picking Sisko
>makes you feel like on of the team no matter how unimportant
>cares about the mission and starfleet's codes
>has a backbone
>not as likely to get you killed as kirk, but has higher odds than the other since he is actually doing things
>will bitch slap the dominion back to the Gamma quadrant

>>83952283
That scene had me rolling
>"You were berating me as is traditional Cardassian fashion"

>>83949159

What about 80s movie Kirk?

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>>83954869
After his demotion from Admiral, he never really did anything. The Enterprise became the Millennium Falcon: iconic and gets you where you need to go

I want a ship solely run by holograms

>Captain
ECH
>Counselor and first officer
Vic Fontaine
>Science Officer
Professor Moriarty
>Chief engineer
Dr. Brahms
>Chief medical officer
Holo Bashir

Now I just need a chief tactical officer and a helmsman to complete the bridge crew.

>>83948870
this desu

then picard
then kirk
then archer


never janeway

>>83948722
Picard is by far the best option.

Picard >>> Archer > Sisko > Kirk > Janeway.

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>>83955190
You can't pick Archer because he's not canon

>>83948722
The black one cause I'm black.

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>>83948722
Kirk would do his best to save you in all situations and he'd have a sulk if he didn't. Just don't be a woman.
Picard would leave you if it diplomatically offended a slug and maybe talk to his therapist about it.
Sisko would probably get you killed by an exploding eps conduit or a jem'hadar.
Janeway wouldn't waste a phaser blast on you if you got assimilated.
Archer would assign you to airlock maintenance and then forget you exist and order it cycled.

>>83955282
hello black anon

>>83948722
Sisko for the BBC

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>>83955122
Why don't Starfleet have thousands of security holograms on every ship?

Get boarded? Turn the onboard army of holograms on and flood the corridors with unstoppable holographic shocktroops, rather than relying on a handful security chucklefucks in pyjamas.

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>>83948722
I feel like Sisko would be the best guy to have at your back if shit goes down.

>>83949151
Do you think Robert Picardo went bald from stress of having to carry the show on his own?

>>83955340
When i was 12 i imagined a ship that would drop mobile emitters on a planet to siege it with millions of soldiers that are very difficult to actually destroy since they're made of force fields and the actual unit would be pretty small.

Basically trek writers are idiots.

>>83955340
Holographic security could be hacked and turned against you.

>>83955393
Mobile emitters are from the 29th century

>>83954403
Kek

>>83948722
>Sisko sucks at captaining starships, everytime he commands the Defiant it gets rekt or crippled in some manner. Jadzia and Worf and Kira were much better at that particular job.

>>83955470
I call bullshit on not being able to replicate them.

>>83951764
>sitting right next to you
What the fuck are doing in my quarters?

>>83955329
hey man

>>83955393
I'd love to see an alien race using transporter clones as cheap cannon fodder.

Would raise some interesting moral questions.

>>83954439
Worf fucked up that mission to rescue that Cardassian scientist from the Dominion in favour of saving Jadzia. Sisko said he'd likely never be offered another command after that.

>>83955524
Ho, ho, you'll not be seeing any moral quandaries in star trek soon again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BBOWsWODX4

>>83955491
Temporal prime directive. Janeway shouldn't have been using it in the first place, but the writers needed a way to get the Doctor out of sick bay because they realized he was the only good character on the show and he needed more screen time.

>>83955570
I would've loved if if the mobile emitter broke once and they had to whip up a giant fucking ""mobile"" emitter backpack and seeing robert picardo bitch and struggle with it, hitting doors, getting stuck, complaining of a bad back when he doesn't have a spine, etc etc.

>>83955491
Replicators have limits.

They can't replicate certain materials, like latinum. They can't replicate precise patterns, like high-quality food. They can't even replicate torpedoes, not even small compenents to be assembled by hand.

Watch the show, you dumb casual.

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>the year of our lord 2375
>not filling Captain Janeway's deep spaces in deep space

>>83955524
It wouldn't work because transporters don't clone people.

>>83955672
>They can't even replicate torpedoes

That's why voyager only had 38 torpedoes when they left deep space nine, tourist?

>>83955704
yes they do. they hand wave it. it's in the technical manual.

>>83955726
Correct. Voyager had only 38 torpedoes, and it was impossible for them to make more.

I'm glad we can all agree that Voyager was faithful to its own premise.

>>83955704
Thomas W. Riker.

>>83955753
It's in the technical manual that they don't clone people. They take a person's atoms, send them one-by-one to a new location, and reassemble that person with their original atoms. Not new atoms, not a clone.

>>83955760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k

>>83955785
Cloned by an anomaly in the planet's atmosphere, not by the transporter.

>>83955704
Something something quantum magic something something

>>83955445
If they could hack a bunch of emitters remotely, they can hack life support or just overload the warp core remotely too. Either the can compromise ship's systems and you're dead anyway, or they can't and you've got an army at the push of a button.

>>83955787
The atoms are taken apart and scanned into a pattern. the pattern is then replicated at the target destination. the soul is transferred via Heisenberg compensators.

It's their bullshit, not mine.

>>83955802
Thank you for proving that I'm right.

They have replicators, and yet they cannot make more torpedoes. Clearly replicators cannot make torpedoes.

The extra torpedoes were pulled from Berman's ass, not from a replicator.

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>>83955787
Then just set a replicator to produce copies of those atoms, and keep feeding them into a transporter.

They have the tech for instantaneous cloning even if they never use it.

>>83955846
The original atoms are transferred thanks to Heisenberg compensators.

>the soul is transferred via Heisenberg compensators.
Well I guess there's no further point to this conversation since you don't want the truth, you just want a good laugh.

>>83955883
>The extra torpedoes were pulled from Berman's ass, not from a replicator.
They can't just wave a magic wand. The only source is the replicator. It's canon.

>>83951869

Sisko made it perfectly clear that to Worf that if he had succeeded in helping his brother to end his life that he would have been expelled from Star Fleet and more than likely imprisoned.

>>83955817
Nope.
It was created by using a second containment beam.

>>83955942
>The only source is the replicator.
Then why did they say that it can't be done?

They had replicators when they said that.

They must have found a magic wand later on.

>>83949159
Picard
>Pro: Can spank it to Bev Crusher and Troi
>Con: You're on the same ship as Wesley

>>83955995
>Then why did they say that it can't be done?
because the writers don't give a shit about canon, it's star trek.

>>83955956
A second containment beam is just reinforcing the first beam, since they're both transferring the exact same atoms. The anomaly is what split the beams, because "the containment beam must have had the exact same phase differential as the distortion field".

>>83956035
>because the writers don't give a shit about canon
Right, that's why they gave themselves a magic wand. If the writers don't give a shit, then why are you arguing against the existence of a magic wand? That's a perfect example of them not giving a shit.

They still said that they can't make more, and they said this while they had replicators, proving that replicators can't make more.

I'd be a redshirt, so anyone but Kirk.

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>>83948722
Anything else is completely retarded

>>83955919
Replicators don't produce copies of atoms. If you want to prove me wrong, go replicate some latinum.

>>83956049
Yes the planet interfered but it was still the transporter that created it.
The planet's atmosphere didn't just shit out a new Riker.

Who says it's impossible for some advanced race with different ethics to artificially recreate such conditions?

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>>83956117
>Yes the planet interfered but it was still the transporter that created it.
>The planet's atmosphere didn't just shit out a new Riker.
Since (as far as we've seen) it can't be done anywhere in the universe other than in that planet's anomaly, I think it's fair to blame Thomas on the anomaly instead of on the transporter.

>Who says it's impossible for some advanced race with different ethics to artificially recreate such conditions?
The fact that they nobody has been seen to do it yet is pretty good evidence that it is beyond everyone's abilities to recreate.

>>83948771
go away, Bill

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>>83949347
>>83951764
Fucking loser nerds lmao, if you don't wear the red and black you don't even register as a life form to me. I'll be having actual alien sex if you need me, ensigns.

>>83948722
Picard, Sisko or Janeway are all fine
Janeway would probably be hard to get to know since she's always all over the place
Sisko would be bro-tier, Picard would be the comfiest
Archer is retarded and Kirk is too aggressive

>>83956182
We've also never seen anyone doing phasing but suddenly we see the Federation created such a device.
We've also never seen anyone creating a sapient holographic being but suddenly we get Moriarty
.....
Half of Star Trek is about shit we've never seen before.

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>>83956252
>We've also never seen anyone doing phasing but suddenly we see the Federation created such a device.
Yes we have. The Romulans were working on it in The Next Phase.

Don't try and backpedal with some argument about which experiment was chronologically first. You just posted incorrectly that there were no other experiments at all.

You have lost this Nerd Fight.

>>83956112
latinum can't be replicated because of reasons, hence it's value, but a lot of other things can, including pretty much any kind of organic material

>>83956252
So you can now just make up w/e shit you want because the show had phase cloaks? Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

Uhhh archer

>>83956317
>because of reasons
The reason being that a replicator doesn't create new atoms, so it can't do what you want it to do.

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>>83956227
>Kirk is too aggressive
>Sisko is fine tho

>>83956308
I have dishonored myself

>>83956338
So you can't have new things in Star Trek ever again? Let's only make prequel shows forever?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

>>83956388
You can do new things without trampling all over the old. It's established canon that transporters are incapable of cloning people (one planet's atmospheric anomaly notwithstanding). So let's keep going with that pre-existing limitation instead of simply pretending that it doesn't exist so you can open up your stupid can of worms.

Uhhhh I am hyper on sugar

>>83956374
It rearranges atomic particles, there's no reason it couldn't replicate people. Latinum can't be replicated because it's too complex for the replicator to handle at a quantum level, but if a replicator can create a steak, it can create a person.

Hook one up to the buffer of a transporter and just deploy thousands of security personal onto the surface.

>>83955340
>>83955393
there's fucking precedent for limiting the capabilities of holograms

or do you just want an army of Moriartys running round killing your fleets, because thats how fleets get killed

>>83956444
>You can do new things without trampling all over the old.

Deep Space Nine proves this wrong.

>>83956489
Literally all the holograms need to be programmed for is search-and-destroy.

They'd be massively less complex than the doctor, and you'd only need them active for a far shorter period of time.

>>83956462
>It rearranges atomic particles
Poorly. That's why all the replicated food tastes bland. You try rearranging the particles to replicate a person's complex pattern, and you're just going to get a dead body.

You can "almost" replicate a steak and you can "almost" replicate a person.

>>83956444
I'd agree to not let the Federation have such tech but other non-allied aliens don't have to be bound to such limitations.

Look at the fucking Q, they have pretty much no limitations.

>>83956504
And literally every single episode proves you wrong, so theirs that

>>83956563
>Look at the fucking Q, they have pretty much no limitations.
Because they use magic, not science.

For the galactic empires that still rely on science, the can of worms stays closed.

>>83956543
The Hirogen literally did this, and look what happened to those corn shit looking motherfuckers

>>83948771
Go back to /x/, Mr. Shatner

>>83956563
Maybe they don't have to be but they are, your headcanon can be w/e you like, its still wrong as proven by hundreds of episodes

>>83956662
He's got more right to be here then the rest of us

>>83956597
>the can of worms stays closed.
Normal cloning is already well established, transporter being able to clone under the right circumstances has been established.

The can of worms is already long open so let's catch a nice fish with it.

>>83956667
It's just about an idea about what could make an interesting episode. Not about what's canon or not.

>>83956729
OK a race that cloned instead of transporting people would be kinda interesting, as long as you can admit that isn't how the transporters worked for any race

>>83956729
And yet no one else has ever been able to recreate the conditions, so clearly it's a lot harder and more complicated than you think.

>>83956729
Yes, and what if a transporter could beam a person from Earth all the way to Qo'noS. We might not even need starships anymore. You always have such brilliant ideas, JJ.

>>83948722
Kirk would be the most fun, but your chances of surviving are probably better with Picard or Sisko. Picard, by a hair.

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>>83956091
>See episode where they buy weapons from arms dealer as if it's a usual transaction for Voyager, not some desperate moral decision
>Assume they purchased anti-matter and other unique parts to 'assemble' more, and the notion that they 'could not make more' meant with what supplies and resources they presently had
>Never kept track of the number of torpedoes used
I think people intentionally look for reasons to hate on Voyager.

>>83956783
Some technology that instantly clones.
It's not that important how, just thought it was nice reference to the Thomas Riker episode but apparently he's the worst thing to ever happen to Trek.

>>83956792
The Federation would never try to recreate it out of moral reasons. And I doubt they handed their transporter logs to the Romulans.

>>83949159
Put me down for Sisko and the all-night orgies on the holodeck. Rom! Moar Spice-Wine!

>>83956949
Voyager was my favorite as a child, because it had the best special effects and the cooooolest bad guys ever, The Borg. Watching it as an adult, I don't need to look for reasons to be disappointed in Voyager. In fact, I can't avoid them. No matter how much I try to turn off my brain and go with the flow, the flaws just jump out at me. I'm sorry for raining on your parade, but Voyager being a total disappointment to Adult Me rained on mine.

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>>83956949
Also self-replicating mines are some physics breaking bullshit

>>83957070
>ship crashes into the mines
>ship blows up
>other mines use the raw materials from the ship to construct more mines
Made sense to me.

Janeway.
I'd slide it in and out of her.

>>83956978
This cloning tech sounds exactly like dark matter, and that's not a good thing

Picard w/Bearded Riker as number one, the rest are just meme tier

>>83957126
That's pretty much the only interesting tech in the show.

>>83957108
>gets shot down by a phaser from afar
>still replicates

>>83957196
>>gets shot down by a phaser from afar
How? You can't find the mines. They're cloaked.

>>83957175
not interesting enough, one or two eps would've been fine but they overused it from the moment it was introduced

>>83957231
Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't Damar complaining how they replicated after they destroy a single one?

>>83957332
Yes, what's your point? They could keep replicating more because they were destroyed with physical objects which provided more matter for replication.

Damar invented a system where he could stop the mines by disabling their replicators, but it took weeks to accomplish because being cloaked made them hard to find.

>>83957332
a single mine was destroyed, all the mines around it create a new one, it was a pretty soild system, although having
>explosives
>replicator
>cloaking
all on one relatively small device was a bit of a stretch

>>83957419
>because they were destroyed with physical objects
How could they target a single specific mine if they're cloaked?

>Damar invented a system where he could stop the mines by disabling their replicators
Didn't he find a way to isolate single mines?

>>83948722
Sisko. I don't even know the two on the right.

>>83957523
yes, watch the show thats exactly what he did, he stopped them 'linking' to each other but even then it was slow going they spent a few days/weeks? isolating and taking out single mines, until they manged to create a chain-reaction. Dukat explains this at length to weyoun

>>83956145
MouPai is god-tier you uncultured swine

>>83957523
>How could they target a single specific mine if they're cloaked?
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 1. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 2. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 3. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 4. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 5. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 6. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 7. Hit. Replicator disabled. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 8. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 9. Miss.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 10. Miss.
Continue for several weeks.

>Didn't he find a way to isolate single mines?
He found a way to disable the replicators, but the act of finding the mines still delayed the Dominion for weeks.

>>83957586
ignore that disgusting troll list, its wrong on many levels

>>83948722
Kirk. Always.

>>83957595
>Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 1. Miss.
>...

Why not do that with phasers?

>>83957637
Who said they weren't?

>>83957595
close but its more like
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 1. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 2. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 3. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 4. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 5. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 6. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 7. Hit. Replicator disabled. Drink a bottle of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 8. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 9. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Fire at position: Horizontal 1, vertical 10. Miss. Drink a glass of kanar.
Continue for several weeks.

>>83957655
If it were by a phaser then there would be no new raw material for replication.

>>83957692
Phasers make shit blow up all the time.

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>>83950875
>no woman cares about him
until his shore leave comes nigga

>>83949347
>You'll never be some sexy, meek little ensign girl who is too quiet to get noticed, gets assimilated by the borg and is forgotten by the main cast who leaves you behind to be a will-less drone for the rest of your existence.

>>83957692
nope very wrong

>>83949343
may-may-may-may-may-make it so
make it so

>>83957637
>>83957692
The mines have raw matter and energy stored inside them to make more mines.

It's not infinite. They would run out eventually. But doing it your way takes longer than doing it Damar's way (disabling the replicators BEFORE you blow up the mine).

>>83957710
Yes but they don't transport new atoms into a mine field usually.

>>83948722
Krik of course, at least he had the common sense to surrender to save his crew when necessary, for picard first sign that someones taking over the ship, 'blow it up no1, you want to kill a dozen crew men? well fuck you, I'll kill them all' fucking madman

>>83948722
As a senior officer, Kirk
as a low ranking crew member, Picard

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>>83957743
They're spaced 1m apart. So they wouldn't be bigger than water melons.

That's pretty insane when they have to have raw material in addition to >>83957475.

>>83957865
Oh should've properly fact checked before.
The space between isn't 1m, the diameter is.

Still pretty damn small.

>>83957832
Kirk was much better at looking after crewmen then picard, usuallyh maybe 1 crewman dies per mission with Kirk, with picard its up to and including 1/2 the crew, I can't think of a single instance where more then maybe 3-4 of Kirks guys died, Picard lost hundreds of personnel constantly

>>83957929
Actual statistics differ. I think like a total of three crewmen die on TNG in the first two seasons (four if you assume the holodeck historian didn't survive the gunshot)

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>>83952258

Deanna or Lwaxana?

>>83955122
get the homosexual who was on the ship that splits into three parts from Voyager for something

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>>83957865
>>83957925
Depending on how powerful the cloaking device is, they can be small. Really small.

Here's a cloaking device that you can hold with one hand.

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>>83948722
Fuck serving on a starship altogether.

Why would anyone do ANYTHING but live on Earth? Goddamn paradise.

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I think it's time for a new series taking place even farther in the TL than Voyager honestly

>>83957954
uh no,
>first encounter with the borg
a couple hundred when they scaple out some of the ship
>Nagilum
about 50, wanted more but Picard did the ol 'I'll kill em all before you can'

both season 2, also lost a bridge officer season 1, something Kirk never did

>>83957983
Lwaxana is even harder because you also have to program a disgusted Picard watching you.
Otherwise what's the point?

>>83958052
Place it some time after the Dominion War.
Ignore Voyager.

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>>83950708

>>83948722

Janeway.

So I can sneak into 7's alcove and jerk off while she's on dusty.

Second choice would be Sisko

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>>83951140
Indeed

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>>83952584

you forgot a barman/chef, the role filled by Guinan in TNG, Quark in DS9 and Neelix in VOY

>>83958052

I fear a series done today could be tainted with forced leftism though. The cast being a multicultural group of black women, one of them somehow muslim kinda playing a TOS Chekov type of character, and an evil Ferengi named Qrump as a "main bad guy".

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>you will never get to ride the star trek roller coaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDT85m0Wjs

>>83949159
>Pro: Hottest crewmembers

But Hoshi is on Enterprise, and the rest of the hottest crewmembers are on TNG

>>83958320
>ignoring T'Pol

I get that it's low-hanging fruit, but still. Objectively the best Trek body, including JJtrek.

>>83958364
Sure, if you like veins.

>>83958384
So who would you pick, tough guy?

Females only.

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>>83958167

Sisko is the best choice not out of mental stability, but because he feels like the most human, Kirk is basically a space cowboy, a corny superhero, Picard is a diplomat and an intellectual, Janeway is a schizophrenic.

Sisko feels a caring dad amongst those whose surround him, and is willing to find a peaceful solution to the many problems they face in DS9, but won't shy away from open combat.

>>83948722
Kirk. None of the others are competent.

>>83958396
Jeri, Terry, Nicole and Nana.

>>83958404
>kirk is basically a space cowboy
confirmed for never having seen TOS, oh a tripfag, makes sense

>>83958442
No.

Distant runners-up

>>83956145
>Outlaw Star
>mid tier

DELET

>>83958442
patrician choices desu

>>83953954
Which ones the weird one?!

>>83958454
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9aJJ84iUFQ

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>>83958454

how else would you describe Kirk? While all the captains are diplomats in different degrees, Kirk was clearly the one who fills the definition of Action Man the best, who do you think Zap Brannigan is supposed to be parodying?

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>>83958461
I'm sorry, but it's the truth.

>>83953954
what a great site

>>83958519
Movie Kirk.

TOS Kirk was the most strictly professional captain.

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>>83958519
A four decade old Kevin Pollock impression

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>>83958605

>TOS Kirk was the most strictly professional captain.

You haven't watched TNG?

>>83958519
maybe watch the show your commenting on tripfag, he's calm cool barely gets angry its all about protecting his ship and crew and completing the mission, Zap is a retarded parody of the popular perception of Kirk from the films, anyone whos seen the show knows how off base it is, he always tried diplomacy and in-fact almost always succeeds, its the same maymay shit about Kirk always chasing tail, again not from the show, some chicks almost always after him and he's like 'look your really nice and everything but mission, ship, crew sorry hun' he only 'seduces girls when its necessary to complete the mission, just watching the fucking show tripfag, but then we've had this discussion before and it doesn't seem like you ever will so maybe just avoid talking about TOS altogether ok?

>>83958636
Yes we all have you on the other hand haven't seen TOS so just shut the fuck up, your literally basing your image of Kirk on a parody cartoon

>>83958636
Picard was the most moral and diplomatic but he was more casual.

DS9 would be a fucking blast i tell ya, a blast!

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>>83958658
>>83958686

whatever you want to believe boyo, I've been watching all of Star Trek on release order and I'm currently at Voyager, I watched TOS long ago.

>>83958691

I guess so, out of all the captains he seemed the least likely to get to do battle, but in such case I wouldn't doubt his efectiveness.

Kirk is a guy you would legit want to have a drink and hang out with. I can't really say that about any of the other captains although I'd say Picard was technically the best leader. Still Kirk always wins.

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>>83958691
Only among the senior staff

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>>83958796
you really are an idiot, don't ever talk to me or my captain again

>>83954620
I fucking loved that episode but I wish the fucking message was slightly less crap than the badge of his uniform

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>>83958847

>>83958867
>tripfags
not even once

>>83955489
Except for the time he used it to stop the Dominion from receiving reinforcements of 20 000 ships and then promptly took back DS9.

>>83958052
agreed could be the first true expansion of the federation outside the alpha quadrant, could have a deep space station, an exploratory ship, encounters with new life, problems with romulans, klingons and fucking cardies also exploring the new territory, waay better then this std shit

>>83958404
>>83958519
>>83958636
>>83958796
You really do need to rewatch TOS if this is what you believe about Kirk.

He seemed a very able diplomat and conducted himself with immense professionalism. The hard-living, alien-banging space cowboy thing was more perception than reality and is a common belief only among casual fans. Later forms of media, including Futurama, did their best to sell this image because it's more entertaining out of context.

Go back and watch Balance of Terror, Court Martial, or any number of episodes with a similar tone (there are a lot of them) and tell me if Kirk lives up to your mental image of him.

>>83959405
just stop trying, this tripfag is pleb af, he admitted to only just starting to watch trek now
>I've been watching on release order and am just up to Voy
I mean why bother? he's the definition of a trek pleb

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>>83948722
>not choosing Archer, the only one that has space marines aboard his ship

>>83959459
Everybody had to start somewhere and he's probably lying about watching TOS entirely. You educate plebs, you don't dismiss them.

>>83959517
I guess I'm tired of this particular issue,
>hurr durr kirk is space cowboy
it outs them as casuals immediately but this one won't even acknowledge it, eh your right I guess

>>83957475
I forgot to add thrusters and sensors and a transporter although they don't need life support or inertial dampeners, it was a little over the top, roms a scotty level genius I suppose

>>83959502
>Archer, the captain who lost 27 members of an 82-man crew

>>83959917
damn he's actually got the lowest kill count by numbers if not by ratio, I never realized

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>>83959835
You know what? It's fine. Take a look at one of these and consider how little volume the actual tech takes up (it's mostly empty space). Now subtract the nacelles, warp drive, impulse engines, shield generator, phaser array and other unnecessary tech and you can get the essentials down to a 1-meter blob.

>>83959997
yea I'm almost sold, 1m by 1m sure it could fit, and the explosives are just the power source, its 'almost' fine, if you add Roms a genius then it works

>>83948722

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs

YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE ACADEMY

is this even a fucking question

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>>83960036
>Retarded Ferengi retconned into a secret autistic genius and nails bimbo
>7 of 9 couldn't build a torpedo factory offscreen

>>83960243
no they were long out of torpes by the time seven showed up, and Rom wasn't retconned at all from at least s2 onwards he was being built up as some kinda tech wizard

sorry voy apologist that doesn't work

>>83960243
He was always good with his hands, though. Quark has had him as a handyman/debt slave for decades.

>>83960243
They never said that a minefield couldn't be built.
They did say that more torpedoes can't be built.
If they're going to change their minds then they need to explain how the situation has changed.

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>>83960305
>>83960312
>>83960318

>>83960965
sucks for you then, whats your voy one?
expected: trek
got: pure trash

Why didn't the augments just throw the Klingon crew into a star?

>>83951539
Production order, there has literally never been any other answer to this question for anything other than production order, don't listen to these fucking idiots.

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>>83958238
Why do people always say that Star Trek TNG is for homosexuals? What is it about it that specifically appeals to the homosexual community?

>>83962279
no-one, even that post doesn't, wtf are you talking about?

>>83955942
or they bought/traded with other aliens for the pieces they couldn't replicate and built more

>>83962386
>"And no way to replace them after they're gone."
When they said this, do you think that they weren't aware of the existence of aliens?

Sisko would most likely bend the rules to ensure the success rate.