>expect Making a Murderer; Nun edition >get priests are

>>83785131
>How does the Catholic church keep getting away with all of the sex crimes they've committed
Money + statute of limitations
Catholics are demons. They should all die.

>>83785131
Most of the US isn't catholic, it's between baptist and protestant. You fedoras should brush up on your religion before you speak on it

>>83785131
This is why I converted to Judaism.

>>83785131
>How does the Catholic church keep getting away with all of the sex crimes they've committed?

Fun fact, most "claims" are based on suspicious testimony and dubious "evidence" such as claims of repressed memory from decades ago with no witnesses to verrify anything. It's just an easy way to get money from the church because most diocese would rather just settle out of court rather than go through a trial.

>>83785263
Sure it is, Chaim.

I would love to get in the head of one of these priests who devoted their lives to god, believe in an all loving god, then rape dozens of kids literally in god's house. I can't imagine what kind of reasoning and rational they have going on.

>>83785208
You've shifted the conversation to religious demographics in the U.S. and somehow think that's a valid counter point to anything mentioned in the OP. lol

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>>83785208
No wonder its shit

>>83785263
So you can watch the rabbi suck the blood out of baby dicks after circumcising them?

>>83785280
Well, I guess that negates every instance of actual child rape then.

>>83785161
#notallcatholics

>>83785394
#notallpitbulls

>>83785352
>every instance of actual child rape then.

There have actually been very few instances of actual child rape. Most was just a few queers who only get into the Priesthood after Vatican II and had relationships with teenage boys, and the rest false claims. Either way, the rate of abuse in public schools is much higher, but the (((media))) doesn't seem all that concerned about that.

>When considering implicating the office of the priesthood or the Catholic Church as some sort of outlier in sexual abuse, I think it's worth recognizing that those abuses happen in lower numbers than in Protestant churches, Muslim mosques, synagogues, and various secular institutions. This includes public schools, in which teachers (most of whom are female and obviously non-celibate) are 100 times more likely to abuse children than Catholic priests. Cover-ups abound as well. The idea that there is any Catholic exceptionalism in the case of sexual abuse is premised solely on media coverage and not on population level parametric data:

http://prospect.org/article/next-christian-sex-abuse-scandal

http://www.themediareport.com/2013/10/02/evangelical-sex-abuse-worse-than-catholic-church/

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%E2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%E2%80%98catholic-problem%E2%80%99/

http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/9-myths-about-priestly-pedophilia.html

http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/shocking-pastors-on-the-prowl/

http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/

http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abuse-protestant-churches-catholic/

http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2013-10/evangelicals-worse-catholics-sexual-abuse

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/forgotten-study-abuse-in-school-100-times-worse-than-by-priests

>>83785466
dude, it has been proved that there are lots of pedos in the church.

>>83785305

That's cuz Catholic church is basically a Satanist church.

>>83785512
It has also been proven that there are far fewer in the church than in other professions, and that the rate of abuse has been overblown by the media.

>>83785506

You realize what you're doing isn't just shifting blame from Catholics, but you're actually trying to normalize child abuse, rather than combat it?

>B-B-BUT THEY DO IT, TOO!

They should be hunted down and castrated, too.You're fucking sick.

>>83785540
your posts are crazy, man. dont reply to me.

>>83785394
#notallorcs

>>83785568
I'm not rying to normalize anything. I'm just pointing out that the abuse problem is worse outside the church than inside of it.

>>83785305
1) catholic priests regard themselves as blessed due to the Eucharist therefore if a child inspires lustful thoughts that child must be a demon so it's not their fault. The Name of the Rose had some lines about this
2) their managers are also priests
So when they know they are going to get found out they confess to their bishop via the confessional- which means their manager can't tell anyone else or even hint about it. So they just move them on usually to Australia or Africa or South America

>>83785309
OP made a retarded claim in the first place which is why I corrected him.

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>>83785131
>Start watching this because of the murder of Sister Paul "Sandniggers" Latza sounds interesting and I find the crime and murder stuff interesting
>The majority of the show is about one suspect allegedly raping the shit out of people
>Most of the coverage is on the rapes and the victims and stuff
>suffer all the way through hoping maybe they will focus on the murder more in the later episodes
What a fucking bullshit tagline. They advertise it like it's about a murder mystery when it's really about sexual abuse which is fine I guess but they go on way too long about the rapes. It was boring as shit.

speak for yourself, fucker. I hate all organized religion. tax all the fuckers if they wanna keep operating in the US. you wanna participate in politics? pay the fucking entry fee like everyone else you damn cunts.

>>83785590
So you agree that the child abuse problem in the Catholic church should be dealt with and violators should face the harshest consequences of law?

>>83785568
The point is that you're trying to isolate the catholic church as the source of a problem while ignoring that other institutions do it far more often. Trees instead of the forest stupidity

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>>83785650

>>83785630

You corrected the OP with a completely irrelevant statement? OK, guy.

>>83785650
You fucking idiot, you do realize that organized religions CAN'T participate in US politics right? Taxing them would actually GIVE them that right. Jesus you fucking idiots need to hang yourselves and spare the rest of us your stupidity

>ITT: butthurt chicanos

>>83785709
OP made incorrect assumption, I corrected his logic and you, the retard, insist on trying to defend the point long after it's bubble has been busted.

>Hollywood and SJWs are so desperate to hide the nasty shit that Judaism, Protestantism and Islam does that they have to repeatedly take pot shots at Christianity
you cannot maker this shit up

>>83785720
Too bad they still do it anyway. Pastors going on tv and telling their sheep that Obama or whatever Democrat candidate is the devil and lifting their religious conservaative candidate on a pedestal is participation. We'd wipe out the national debt in a couple of years if we were allowed to charge these freeloaders on ten years worth of back land and property taxes.

>Unlike the accusations against my priest friend, Dylan Farrow’s claims are specific:

>when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother’s electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that we’d go to Paris and I’d be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.[2]

>The same media which automatically assumes that every Catholic priest accused of abuse is guilty as charged lets Hollywood celebrities off the hook by insisting that they are innocent until proven guilty. The legal system as it exists now prevented both Fr. Seculoff and Woody Allen from having their day in court. In Connecticut, the legal system was intimidated by Woody Allen’s wealth and fame. In Indiana, the Church derailed legal investigation by applying its own procedures. As a result, we’ll never know the truth of the allegations. In both states, the statute of limitations has run out. In the case of Woody Allen, this is taken as proof of his innocence. In Indiana it is taken as proof of a Catholic priest’s guilt. After being accused of the same crime, Woody Allen had a full page of the New York Times put at this disposal to defend himself. Father Seculoff, on the other hand, was forbidden to speak to fellow priests.

http://www.culturewars.com/2014/Allen%20Double%20Standard%202.htm

>>83785674
While discussing this documentary, which focuses on the abuse of priests within the catholic church, yes.

If you watched a documentary on the suicide forest in Japan would you be all, "YEAH, WELL, OREGON'S SUICIDE RATE IS WAY HIGHER! WHY NOT TALK ABOUT THAT!?"

Don't be a moron.

>>83785815
>WAAAAAAAAH! Religious people express political opinions.

Why stop at churches? Why not tax all non-profit organizations?

>>83785815
Talking about a political candidate isn't the same thing as participating in the political process and you sound like a salty lib cuck

>>83785823
Now post some examples of Catholic priest abuse. Maybe post a link to info about the Pope knowingly shielding them from prosecution.

>>83785858
I don't see secular nonprofits covering up child abuse and a couple thousand years worth pf bad decisions.

>>83785891
>Maybe post a link to info about the Pope knowingly shielding them from prosecution.

You want me to post a link to things that never happened?

>>83785858
Especially all of those socialist organizations that plague the country. Surely they're willing to "spread" their own wealth like they preach other people should do so much

>>83785907
>I don't see secular nonprofits covering up child abuse


Because the media deliberately ignores them. UN Peacekeepers were running a child sex ring for years.

>>83785926
Oh, I get it. You're just a liar. You don't care about pointing out a larger conspiracy, you just care about defending catholic pedophiles

>>83785980
The only evidence I can find is baseless accusations by some left wing rags.

>>83785946
legitimate question, was that in the US? I honestly have no clue.
I work for a privately funded nonprofit organization, they still take taxes out of my paycheck. its not the same as the organization itself paying for them, but at least the taxes are paid.
meanwhile fucksticks like Joel Osteen and Pat Robertson get off scot free living in huge fucking mansions spewing their dumb bullshit and not paying taxes. get fucked.

>>83786028
It's a complicated matter where a non-profit sometimes still pay taxes. So, in Joel Osteen's case, I've heard that his book royalty is a personal revenue in lieu of a church salary - so he's paying taxes on that. If a church has a bookstore, resale shop, restaurant, or non-church related business, those are called "auxiliary revenues" and those are taxed as ordinary corporate tax rates, plus sales tax, employment tax, etc. Also, there is a little known business personal property tax that ordinary citizen don't normally see unless they own a business. These are personal property taxes on office and store furniture, computers, equipment, company cars, etc.

So, I think you need to stop getting all upset assuming that churches don't pay taxes at all. Besides, if you wanted to tax the churches, it's all passed down to the primary source of revenue from the church member's tithe. And good churches have humble ministers and give money for their missionary to spread the Word of God, to help the poor, and to heal the sick. Still, some churches spend too much on fancy church renovations and expensive homes for the ministers but I assure you that those are not well received from church members. Unfortunately, major decision are made by the vestry who are usually chosen by the senior pastor. So there's little that the church members can do except to leave.

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>You will never deflower a horny nun

>>83785131
Is it as well made and gripping as Making? That's all I need to know

but REAL CHRISTIANS hate the poor

>>83785131
dunno, how does the mudlim religion get away with the raping of underage girls?

>>83786141
The ministers that anon is referring to in the first place are the evangelicals who run so called "super churches" and yeah, those guys tend to roll in the lap of luxury but the kick is that many of the things they own are "gifts" given to them

>>83786141
okay, fair. Didn't know about all of those taxes. but what about the top religious officials in the country? the archbishop, or whatever. I admit I don't know the hierarchy of power.

>>83786212
>American Christians hate the poor
ftfy

>>83786246
its a bunch of bullshit loophole abuse and I hate it.

secluding all the pedophiles into one place where they can only victimize other religious retards who are stupid enough to deserve it is really the best thing for all involved

>All these protestant lies
Translating the bible was a mistake

>>83786351
Archbishops and Cardinals really don't make that much.

>>83786392
Why is abuse more common in public schools then, fedora fag?

>>83786424
because poor people go to public schools

>>83786538
Wealthy people go to them too or do you think all public schools only exist in urban shit holes?

Shitty city = shitty public school

Suburbs or well off area = good public school

>>83786633
I'm sure many poor people believe this.

>>83786661
I live in Farmington Hills Michigan. My public school was leagues better than whatever shit hole you had to attend

>>83786722
bitch my school lunches cost more than your property taxes

Because the Catholic Church is still somehow one of the strongest institutions in the world.

>>83785742
>OP made incorrect assumption

No he didn't. At no fucking point did he imply anything contrary to anything you brought up, you dense cunt. The only one making incorrect assumptions is you when you assumed OP was ignorant of something he didn't fucking bring up.

>>83785131
I was reading this book on communism in the USSR and it reminded me of this, how they were trying so hard to make it seem like everything was perfect so everyone would have a good view of communism, making it seems like there were no murders and no crime in the USSR. So like the Church trying hard to make it seem like their priests are perfect, which in the end just made it way worse cause they didn't stop them from abusing kids.

>>83787066
>So like the Church trying hard to make it seem like their priests are perfect


The fuck are you talking about? The Church throws innocent priests under the bus all the time to avoid going to court.

>>83787106
I believe you missed the point.

>>83787251
At no point did the church act like priests were perfect, though.

>>83787291
repeating exactly what you just said will not somehow make you not miss the point.

>>83787331
How is addressing an argument you made missing the point?

>>83787471
I made no argument, but this show is literally about the church protecting a priest so it won't look bad for them, so your argument is pretty silly in this context.

>>83785131
There has been repeated exposure of the dirty catholics. Where are the netflix documentarys on muslim rape gangs?

>>83787590
>but this show is literally about the church protecting a priest so it won't look bad for them

The show is about some cunts accusing the Church of protecting a priest with no actual evidence.

>>83785131
>How does the Catholic church keep getting away with all of the sex crimes they've committed?

Money and power influencing the legal system, both on an individual level and a systemic level. Like you saw in The Keepers, they do everything they can to get individuals to settle, to drop the case, etc. Then they use their influence in government to keep statute of limitation laws such that they are in the church's favor.

>What was Cardinal Law's crime? His crime is that he listened to psychologists. His crime is that he did what the dominant culture told him to do. He was told, on the authority of psychologists, that that pedophilia was curable and so he reassigned the priest in question to another parish. The molestations happened 20 years ago, and the changes that created the atmosphere that allowed that disaster to happen in the Church, the culture of saying yes to appetite, happened 20 years before that, which is to say in the '60s, when the Catholic Church, fatally docile when it comes to the dominant culture of control through appetite, started running seminaries and religious orders according to the principles of Carl Rogers and Sigmund Freud. If the Catholic Church is at fault, it is at fault for listening to the dominant culture, specifically psychologists of this sort, in the first place. The vehicle for the demoralization of the Catholic Church was modern psychology.

http://www.culturewars.com/2002/boston_ped.html

>>83787804
>Then they use their influence in government to keep statute of limitation laws such that they are in the church's favor.

More like the Jews are trying to rig laws so that anyone with a 50 year old undocumented accusation can get easy money from the church.

>>83785540
>Far fewer
No. The rate of individuals acting as pedophiles has been shown to be in line with other professions. What makes the church different is the church as an organization goes out of its way to cover up abuse, silence the abused, and protect abusers.

Show me another organization or profession that protects pedophiles to the same extent the catholic church does.

>This thread has actually brought out rapist priest apologists

>>83787914

>No. The rate of individuals acting as pedophiles has been shown to be in line with other professions.

But Priests have statistically the lowest rates of abuse.

>What makes the church different is the church as an organization goes out of its way to cover up abuse, silence the abused, and protect abusers.

See
>>83787861

>>83787861
Cardinal Law knew about sexual abuse and actively worked to cover it up. He worked to move abusive priests from parish to parish to cover up their repeated crimes. Don't try to put this on the psychologists or act like Cardinal Law didn't know what he was doing.

>>83788032
Public Schools are doing that now, and Cardinal Law was praised for the Boston Globe for his approach.

>>83787861
That's so fucking stupid, these people committed horrible crimes and we're supposed to believe he protected them just because he thought they were going to be cured eventually?

>I know this guy murdered a bunch of people, but he told me he wouldn't do it again so I'll hide the evidence

What kind of moron would write this garbage

>>83787861
>He a good boy he dindu nuffin

The man ran multiple "treatment centers" for abusive priests that were in and out of these centers repeatedly. Do you honestly believe Cardinal Law oversaw these programs for decades with his thumb up his ass, watching abusive priests repeatedly sent to treatment centers, still believing that a stop in the center would cure them?

>>83788127
They were following the approved psychological guidelines at the time. You can act superior all you want because of hindsight, but they had what they thought were valid reasons for doing so.

>>83788101
>Cardinal Law was praised for the Boston Globe for his approach

What alternate world do you inhabit where the Boston Glove praised Cardinal Law?

>>83788156
>Why didn't he expect what he thought was a deep-rooted psychological problem to be cured instantly?

>>83788200
>And it is not as if the Boston Globe could plead ignorance to the fact that the Church had for years been sending abusive priests to therapy and then returning them to ministry on the advice of prominent and credentialed doctors. As we reported earlier this year, back in 1992 – a full decade before the Globe unleashed its reporters against the Church – the Globe itself was enthusiastically promoting in its pages the psychological treatment of sex offenders, including priests – as "highly effective" and "dramatic."

http://www.themediareport.com/2015/11/30/cardinal-law-spotlight-movie/

>>83788173
>They were following the approved psychological guidelines at the time

Survey commissioned by the church after the scandal broke found their own treatment centers unqualified by standards of their time.

The treatment centers were a front designed to give the appearance of trying to solve a problem when what the church really cared about was covering up abuse.

You also paint an absurd picture of Cardinals watching serial abusers going in an out of programs, expecting "oh maybe this time it will work". No? He raped another dozen kids? Well back to the treatment center, it'll surely work this time.

Your unwillingness to acknowledge the church's complicity in covering up abuse is part of why they are able to do it to such a systemic degree. This is why priests are able to continually abuse children for decades.

>>83788173
You're retarded, psychological guidelines would never promote abetting criminals. Saying pedophilia can be cured is very different from saying you should help them commit more crimes.

>>83787914
>Show me another organization or profession that protects pedophiles to the same extent the catholic church does.

Hollywood producers.

>>83788366
But that's exactly what they did. Spare me your phony outrage.

>>83788365
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>83788365
>"oh maybe this time it will work". No? He raped another dozen kids? Well back to the treatment center, it'll surely work this time.


An unfortunate line of thinking

> Abuse happens
> Bishop finds out
> "if the guy abused these children, then maybe removing them from these children might be better"
> Priest is transferred with a stern warning (hopefully) not to do these things again

A better system may have prevented this

>>83788345
>>Why didn't he expect what he thought was a deep-rooted psychological problem to be cured instantly?

So now you're claiming the Cardinal expected it to take multiple treatments to cure pedophilia? And knowing this he put these priests back to work with children, knowing the treatment had not cured their pedophilia?

And the Globe promoted psychological treatment of sex offenders. So you then make the leap from that to acting like the Globe condoned putting known child abusers back to working with children? And covering up that abuse?

We're reaching high levels of delusion here.

>>83788511
>> Abuse happens
>> Bishop finds out
>> "if the guy abused these children, then maybe removing them from these children might be better"
>> Priest is transferred with a stern warning (hopefully) not to do these things again

That's not accurate though. They didn't remove the priest from children, they moved the priest to children in a different parish. A huge part of the scandal is that the church not only covered up abuse, but allowed abusive priests to remain working with children.

>>83788511
>>83788521

He made his decisions based on what the psychologists at the time had told him. He made the mistake of trusting experts.

It was Dr. Swords who advised that it was both “reasonable and therapeutic” to return Geoghan to active pastoral ministry including work “with children.” The archdiocese acted on that advice.

http://www.themediareport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Geoghan-1989-letter-reasonable-therapeutic.pdf

>>83788366
>pedophilia can be cured


Very difficult if not impossible

>>83785660
Yeah of course. What is a few years of hell on earth, to the eternity of hell in the afterlife?

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>being a cathocuck

>>83785466
>Either way, the rate of abuse in public schools is much higher, but the (((media))) doesn't seem all that concerned about that.

Because the teacher union supported gay "marriage" and the Catholic Church does not.

>>83788457
>But that's exactly what they did.

No

>>83788577
>allowed abusive priests to remain working with children
You'd think

> placing them in old folk's ministry
> putting them in a desk job at the diocese
> sending them to an extended retreat in a monastery

would have been options if they didn't want to get the police involved.

>>83788457
>Do you have a single fact to back that up?

This is the report in question.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/child-and-youth-protection/upload/The-Nature-and-Scope-of-Sexual-Abuse-of-Minors-by-Catholic-Priests-and-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf

The Globe identified over 250 priests being moved repeatedly from parish to treatment center to parish again. To act like the church was being had by psychologists in the face of this massive pattern of abuse, cover up, abuse again is absurd.

>>83788596
You're ignoring the fact that the psychological advice given to the church advised priests who had gone through treatment not be placed in contact with minors, which the church repeatedly did. Also at no point did psychologists tell the church to cover up abuse cases and hide them from law enforcement. They made that decision on their own.

>>83788797
You would think. But instead they would be moved from one school to another school in a different parish.

This is exactly why I became a Muslim to follow the word of the prophet PUBG.

Catholicism's image has been tarnished too much for me to follow it anymore.

Molesting unmarried children is unforgivable.

I literally didn't know they were people in the world who thought protecting child rapists wasn't reprehensible no matter the circumstances until today.

>>83788783
see
>>83788596

>>83788945
see
>>83788908

>>83788908
The abuse-apologist in this thread is unreal.

He's trying to place the blame on psychologists, but at the end of the day, the church knew about abuse and prevented the abusers from being punished as required by the law.

Remember that time the church found out a priest was raping kids and turned him over to the police so he could be brought to justice? No, that never happens.

The church cared more about their own image than a legion of rapist priests in their ranks, and they acted accordingly.

Even if the church believed psychology could stop pedophilia, they still knew of many abusive priests and covered it up. There's no excuse for that.

>>83785886
people then just happen to vote for said candidate anyway, damn. my liberal brain is missing something

>>83788820
>To act like the church was being had by psychologists in the face of this massive pattern of abuse, cover up, abuse again is absurd.

Following the advice of experts at the time is not "being had".

>You're ignoring the fact that the psychological advice given to the church advised priests who had gone through treatment not be placed in contact with minors, which the church repeatedly did. Also at no point did psychologists tell the church to cover up abuse cases and hide them from law enforcement. They made that decision on their own.

Sadly the psychology of the day did not completely understand pedophilia. So here you have churchmen whose background in philosophy, theology, and classical studies, certainly they are going to turn to the experts for guidance and direction in these matters. The abuser priests were treated much in the same way one would have been had he had an affair with a woman. They did not understand this sickness.

The psychologists also made it seem like the priests could go back to regular duties, and that legal action would be counter productive as indicated by the letter I posted.

You can wring your hands and act as high and mighty as you want, but you weren't there.

>>83789251
I don't care if God himself came down to Earth to tell them it was fine to protect child abusers, they shouldn't have protected them no matter what, they're scum, the end.

>>83788907
Bachi Bazi

Google it,

>>83789320
They were trying to rehabilitate them. Psychologists and the media approved of it. It only looks bad now because of hindsight. Get over yourself.

>>83785131
>>expect Making a Murderer; Nun edition
>>get priests are pedophiles doc instead; Facebook group edition
>
>How does the Catholic church keep getting away with all of the sex crimes they've committed? You'd think the same people who are against Islam would also focus their energy against Catholic pedos, too. Really activates my almonds.

How do you keep getting away with spam posting the same threads three times a day?

Brother Bob seemed like a cool guy.

I'm from Baltimore, nothing on this thing surprised me. All the people they talk to on this show are fucking retards or conspiracy theorists who watched the wire too much.

>>83790462

Also, I hate these god damn Netflix couch detective shows.Just retarded morons rambling and speculating.

>>83785742
Fucking moron, I hope you get gored by an blood simple beast with tusks.

>>83790266
>it was totally okay to rape kids in the 80's
>you just think it was bad in hindsight

The mental gymnastics going on here is quite impressive

>>83790616
I never said it was okay. They clearly didn't think it was okay, that's why they were trying to address the problem using the best methods of the time.

>>83791387
It's never okay to protect serial child rapists, how is that so hard for you to understand?

>>83791554
They weren't protecting them, they were following the advice of psychologists to address the problem.

>>83791595
>They weren't protecting them

I feel like the problem here is that you don't seem to understand that sexual abuse is a criminal offense?

>>83791792
I feel like the problem is your adding your retrospective judgment to a complex situation to feel better about yourself.

>>83791855
see
>>83791554

>>83785208
Baptists are protestant you fucking idiot.

>>83789968
Don't tell me how to live my life.

>>83785811
>everybody's got dirty hands but me!!
poor little snowflake lmao

>>83787625
Muslim rape hordes don't try to hide anything