Ned cared enough about Jon's welfare to keep him in his

>>83710252
Ned basically power leveled him enough that when he shows up in castle black it's like a new game plus for Jon and he did a speed run through it and reach lord commander within a few years

>>83710333
1. Training doesn't save you from being shanked, as Jon found out.
2. The only reason Jon was made Warden of the Supermax is because of nepotism and luck.
3. Being the Warden of the Supermax is one of the shittiest jobs in Westeros. It's the kid of job you'd only wish on your worst enemies. Congrats you get to spend your days in the coldest place in the world, surrounded by murderers and fighting wildlings with no hope of ever having any land or family.

>>83710333
And now he's King in the North! Truly Ned was a master strategian, having already forseen his own death at the hands of his best friend's wife's son.

>>83710252
>thinking the promise had anything to do with Jon
Oh you ARE a pleb!

>>83710709
Then why did Ned keep Jon close instead of dropping him off somewhere else like everyone else does with their bastards?

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>>83710252
Maybe Ned found out that Jon was going to become Azor Ahai?

>>83710649
I'm sure you'd prefer the sheltered life style of King Justic Biebers. But Ned's not the kind of guy that shys away from duty and responsibilities, neither is Jon

>>83712311
It's not the Stark's "duty and responsibilities" to die at the ass end of Westeros for no reason.

>>83712646
brejan went too

>>83710252
Richard D. James?

>>83712646
>for no reason
saving the world from ice demons, literally the only war that matters

the wall was pretty much the safest place for jon outside of winterfell. there wasn't much going on up there, just annoying wildlings.

>>83710252
I think the reason is: at the end of the day, Jon is a Targaryen bastard. The Wall was safer to Jon, than anywhere else that Ned couldn't watch over.

>>83710252
The North considers the wall a fairly high status place, and it is one of the few places where bastards can do well for themselves.

And the Starks ususally sends one to serve at the wall per generation so why wouldnt Jon be sent there.

>>83713414
Nobody believed in that shit. So don't try to use it as justification for sending Jon to the Night's Watch.
>>83712990
Benjen fled to the Night's Watch because he couldn't handle the fact that pretty much his entire family was killed, he left Ned as the only Stark in Winterfell. Ben ran away from his responsibilities, I don't know why you think he's a good role model

>>83713543
The. Wall. Isn't. Safe. What part of that don't you understand? Ned could've dropped Jon in a random village in the North and he would've been a million times safer. The idea that people will magically know Jon is a Targ is retarded.
>>83715331
>The North considers the wall a fairly high status place
You can consider Alcatraz high status but it doesn't change what it is.
>one of the few places where bastards can do well for themselves
By dying alone, without family or home, among murderers and thieves. If you really think that kind of life is something to live up to then I hope you find it.
>the Starks ususally sends one to serve at the wall per generation
No they don't.

>>83710893
Because he wanted to give him the tools to survive?? He fathered him. Also not many people to trust, what safer place then Warden's quarters in Winterfell?

>>83710252
Well yeah. The problem with Ned Stark is that he's now treated as though he's Jesus resurrected, but really he wasn't a perfect guy at all. His whole weakness was his "Muh honor", "Muh duty", "Muh responsibility" to the point where he probably romanticized the wall and ignored all the negative shit he heard from that place, in the same way he refused to budge in king's landing despite all the threats. His brother Benjen being there who shared the same "Muh duty" idea probably cemented this worldview even further, so he figured he'd send Jon there as well for the same reasons.

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>>83716991
>At the Wall with Ned's brother, his uncle
>At the Wall with another Targ
>At the Wall with a stern but fair LC
>At the Wall beyond the reach of his enemies

It was a solid plan, Ned does not have the benefit of hindsight like you have and he could not have known how much of a shitshow things would turn out.

>Ned could've dropped Jon in a random village in the North
>"I'm taking my family south. You can't come with, but you can't stay in Winterfell either. I'm dumping you here by yourself because of reasons."

Kek.

>>83717250
>guy-rimmer

fag

>>83710252
it was a tradition in Ned's family to serve the well. He doesn't think of it as some kind of supermax prison

>>83717250
CHIM wins

>>83713414
>>83716652
Seriously. This guy's right. They didn't believe in that shit. Hell, Ned BEHEADS a guy for running from white walkers which he explicitly says made him do it and Ned doesn't even look into the matter.
>Pah! No way those are real. Off with your head now who wants puppies!?

Ned was a loving parent, but was a dumbass when it came to thinking of his children's futures.

He didn't even arrange Robb, his heir to a marriage with a leading Northern House despite being at the age where he's considered a grown man. Nor did he arrange for Robb or his other legitimate sons to be fostered.

As for Jon. Just WTF was Ned going to plan for him? If Jon Arryn hadn't been poisoned and Robert didn't arrive in Winterfell to make Ned his Hand, what was Jon's future going to be? He might go to the Wall, but there's no rush to do it since Ned has to leave and Catelyn wouldn't kick him out.

The Wall was a blessing-in-disguise because it was the critical place where Jon needed to be. Without Jon, the Watch, the Wildlings, and everyone else connected to the Wall including Stannis and his forces would be uber-fucked. Jon was far away from the squabbles of the War of the 5 Kings as well as what was going on in the North thanks to Bolton treachery. Instead, Jon was doing his duty as a real Northman by infiltrating the Wildlings and returning to his post so that the Wall would be defended. Stannis would be dead without Jon as would Sam. No Sam means the dragonglass daggers wouldn't be found so they wouldn't know that obsidian killshots Others. Stannis wouldn't have Jon to give him all that invaluable advice and warn him of Karstark treachery.

In fact, no Jon at the Wall means if Stannis DOES go to the Wall, it might be too late. And Jon was vital in brokering negotiations between Stannis, the Wall, and the Wildlings since he was familiar with their ways.

All in all, it was probably Bran and/or Bloodraven's machinations that made it possible for Jon to be at the Wall and rise as Lord Commander because nobody else could've done what he did. Even if it's revealed in the books that Jon is Rhaegar's son, that silver-haired nutjob contributed nothing to who Jon is. Ned is Jon's real father and made him into the man he is.

When you think about it, it all worked out in the end for Jon. If he went to Kong's Landing he would've been killed by the Kingsguard, if he stayed in Winterfell or another northern village, he'd be killed fighting in the war. The Night's Watch ended up being the best option, though no one could've known it at the time.

>>83718039
Yeah that was short-sighted as fuck for Ned. Even he saw that the guy was terrified as shit. Ned could've at least arranged for a few loyal bannermen to go to the Wall and make an investigation of the conditions. Even if the deserter was lying about the Others, the threat of Mance Rayder uniting the Wildlings into a solid force would be something that the Northern Houses would like to know.

>>83718611
>If he went to Kong's Landing he would've been killed by the Kingsguard
No way in hell would Ned even remotely consider the idea of Jon going below the Neck. Too many people would wonder about who his mother was and would keep track of the timeline. Somebody would be bound to realize that something's up and that Ned's stories don't correlate to what happened. It's too much of a risk to bring Jon into that viper's nest and especially near Robert.

>if he stayed in Winterfell or another northern village, he'd be killed fighting in the war.
That's assuming that Jon goes off to war with Robb. It's very possible that Robb would insist that Jon act as caretaker for Winterfell on his behalf. Bran and Rickon are too young to effectively handle Winterfell, but Jon could. Plus Jon wouldn't allow Winterfell's garrison to shrink and be exposed to Theon's raiders. Ramsay would either stew in Winterfell's dungeons or even possibly get executed by Jon himself, thus the Sack never happens and Roose doesn't dare assist the Red Wedding.

This would make for an interesting divergence because if the Night's Watch calls for help, the 2 legitimate Stark sons are around and Winterfell still stands. Jon can ride to the Watch's aid or run into Stannis' forces who've shown up to help after Davos reads the NW letter.

If Jon went south to war with Robb, there's butterflies there as well. Jon could be placed in command at some of the battles that Roose Bolton showed his subtle treachery. Plus there's TWO direwolves to use. They're the perfect spies and terror weapons to unleash on Lannister forces.

Jon being around means that Robb might not let Theon go as an envoy to the Iron Islands. Jon would convince Robb that's a seriously bad idea in letting a hostage like Theon go. So Theon remains by Robb's side.

And if the Sack of Winterfell still happens, Robb still has Jon around as a brother to grieve with the "deaths" of Bran and Rickon. Robb most likely doesn't fuck Jeyne here.

>>83710672
Here's a (You), faggot.

>>83710980
>Ned Stark
>believing Asshai prophecy instead of placing his faith in the old gods

>>83716991
People can volunteer for the nights watch. Don't think anyone ever volunteered to stay at alcatraz

>>83718593
>if things didn't happen the way they did, things would be different

Woah

>>83710893
The Starks were clearly the honourable and responsible ones. They look after Hodor too

>>83718593
>Ned was a loving parent, but was a dumbass when it came to thinking of his children's futures.
>He didn't even arrange Robb, his heir to a marriage with a leading Northern House despite being at the age where he's considered a grown man. Nor did he arrange for Robb or his other legitimate sons to be fostered.
I think this is the result of confusion in regards to the age of the characters. Bookfags have told me they were originally all in their early to mid teens, then GRRM tweaked a bunch of plans and admitted he wished he'd started them out older, which they did for the show, but without changing anything in their story

>>83720538
yeah because they are the ones responsible for his retardation