does it ever blow your mind how unlikeable literally EVERY single

>>83629268
the doctor is the worst offender and I still don't know what people sees in him other than "lol he is quirtky!"

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>>83629268
All of them were ok, with some actually being good. The only really bad character/actress was Kes. I hated Kes centered episodes, they were the worst.

>>83629288
Doctor and Seven are the only character that actually develop and grow in the entire show

Even if he is unlikable, at least he has an arc and a personality

Paris, Kim, Torres and Chakotay might as well be cardboard cutouts. They are all poorly executed stereotypes

Janeways personality changes on a whim and so do her morals. So she seems to be an insane space cunt

Neelix is a creepy pedophile

Tuvok is pretty good but he stays the same the entire show

I'm not a star trek fan, but wasn't the voyager send into the unknown, possibly to never be seen again?
No wonder they stuffed it to the brim with assholes.

>not liking based akoochemoya man

>>83629288
They made him look plenty stupid tons of times to balance this you fucking retard.

>not understanding acoochiemoya

U fucked up

>>83629436
>firing her literally drove her insane
feels weird man

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>>83629268

>supposedly charismatic leader of a terrorist rebel army
>in reality a spineless, personality-free, yes man

>>83629436
I know they're meant to be tolerant of alien races in the federation but why is making a schizophrenic three year-old a member of crew a good idea in anyone's book?

Fuck this show, just too much wasted potential.

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>>83629268

>>83629268
I think I only liked emh and Janeway the destroyer of worlds from voyager

>>83629593
No, they got lost on a 3 week mission in The Badlands and ended up on the other side of the galaxy because they're incompetent, they weren't sent there.

>>83630872
While if they say had Q show up earlier and make fun of Janeway for treating a technically mature and intelligent creature like a child, just because of her age from a human point of view, and yet being upset about Q treating the entire Federation like children, as someone whose lifetime encompasses all of time; if they did that, I'd agree with you, it would have been better if they take her even less seriously.
But considering the most authority she ever had was being as assistant to an assistant outside off her garden, I don't think the way the crew treated her was that outlandish.

>>83629593
No, they were an elite team assembled for a dangerous mission. The jump to the delta quadrant, and the fact the ship is packed with more assholes than a ballpark frank are both incidental.

>>83629593
Their job was to go into a dangerous part of space and track down terrorists.
They did so, but got abducted by an alien whose power is halfway between the Federation and Q (The dude who can summon a mariachi band on the bridge of the Enterprise at will).
They were filled with people treating eachother like assholes because much of both the terrorists and the original crew got killed, they were forced to work together, and on top of much of the crew being terrorists, no one could agree on who to blame for all of it.
Literally everyone in the main cast outside of Janeway and Kim (unless you count the Doctor as an intentional crew member) was actually Starfleet when they went off. Paris kind of was, but he had a run with the terrorists, and was only there to help track them down.

>>83629489
>So she seems to be an insane space cunt
>inb4 woman joke

>>83629489
>Janeways personality changes on a whim and so do her morals. So she seems to be an insane space cunt
What is pms?

TNG > TOS > DS9 > ENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOY

>>83629268
Chakotay was boring, bland and robotic

Paris had some character, actually emoted and was the only human crew member that came off as human

Harry was boring and bland

Bellanna was just pissed off all the time (HURR DURR DEM KLINGONS AND THEIR ANGER ISSUES AMIRITE?)

Tuvok was cool but underused

Seven was Tuvok with tits but not as cool

Neelix was garbage and obnoxious

The Doctor was the only one that grew as a character

Janeway was whatever the writers needed her to be for that week which is why her character is all over the place.

>>83629268
Janeway was ok, the rest were awful.

>>83633068

Janeway's problem was that there the writers had different ideas about what to do with her character. It's why she would go from a warm, motherly, starry-eyed idealist who would never violate federation principles one episode to a cold, ruthless pragmatism who would do anything necessary to safeguard the ship and get home the very next. Even Kate Mulgrew admitted that she couldn't make heads or tails of Janeway's behavior and began to portray her as bi-polar

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"Commander Ryker, what are sex organs?"

>>83634216
Wouldn't having a person suffering from bi-polar disorder be an awful choice for captaining a starship?

>>83634406
i don't like you

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Is no one going to mention the best character out of the series?

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>>83634735
I have other memes that I can offer instead.

*bloQs your path*

>>83636890
Is see what you did there.

>>83630433
you forgot muh ancestors

>>83636829
underappreciated actor

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>>83634406
>TWOOOO GENDERRS RYKROPF?!?!

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>>83634406
Are feet sexual organs?

>>83631412
literally Gilligan's Island in space

>>83633535
TNG>TAS>TOS>ENT>POWER GAP>DS9=VOY

doctor = seven >>> janeway > tuvok > torres > paris > harry >>> chakotay >>>>> kes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neelix

>Star Trek: Discovery is set in the 23rd century as a nostalgia grab
>make it look like the JJ movies, thus defeating the whole nostalgia point
wdtmbt?

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>>83639144
>involve klingons
>change their appearance for no reason

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Does it ever blow your mind that this series is better in every way and can be endlessly re-watched?

>>83639407
I still haven't met the BDSM Borg but the blue chick has shown up, how long until it gets good?

>>83639407
I tried rewatching it once but S1 was so fucking boring that I gave up

>>83639491
>>83639484
>season 1 is bad/not up to par meme

I don't personally partake in this, but just skip season 1. Most of the intricacies of the relationships, if you're into that, are molded in season 1 though and you could miss out a bit

>>83639273
Actually at the end of ENT they gave millions of Klingons human look(the Klingons wanted to make genetically engineered solders) It might be because of that

>>83639659
wasn't that a plot line made up in TNG to explain why Klingons in the OS didn't have head ridges (no prosthetics)

>>83639273
It's """modernized"""

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What would have happened if the Captain of your favourite Trek show was the Prime Minister of the UK last Friday?

>>83639407
Still haven't watched this. How is it compared to Firefly?

>>83636829
only red-pilled guy in series.

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>tfw you realize that DS9 is actually your favorite.

I slept re-watching TOS and almost skipped TNG's First and last season. What happened?

>>83640242
I hated Firefly so I would without any hesitation say it's leagues ahead. It's a really energetic character-based show. There isn't much world building, but they clearly never set out to do that

>>83639895
Yes.

>>83639895
>>83640608
No. It was never addressed in TNG, it was mentioned in DS9: Trouble With Tribbles (making it an actual change in-universe and not a makeup change they're ignoring) but not explained. ENT came up with that explanation alone.

>>83640689
In ds9 it was a bit of a joke. Should've left it at that

>>83639144
It actually looks way farther off than the JJ movies

They're literally the rejects of star fleet stuck in the delta quadrant. How did you not realize that it's a comedy?

>>83640387
You saw the truth

>>83639407

Convoluted mess of a show.

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>>83641105
>starfleet is sympathetic for the maquis but know cardis are watching so they sabotage the mission from the get go.

>>83640901
>What happened? Some sort of genetic engineering?
>Viral mutation?

it's literally both

>>83641238
Has a certain charm to it though.

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how did he always win? it's not fair

Voyager keeps getting worse and worse as ages next to TNG and DS9. It's crazy how a nice pair of tits and ass can really save a show.

>>83640086
>They decapitate our drummers and we fall back. They blow up entire concerts and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here. This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!

>>83629489
Neelix is the one with an arc, the Doctor has no arc other than "whine about my rights" and "get sucked by everyone because he is so special"
>>83630149
learn to read, sub-human

>>83630433
When I watch it as a kid I just thought he was a generic Starfleet officer. You aren't exaggerating it when you say he is personality free.

The actor sounds like an asshole too.

>>83645019
>Neelix is the one with an arc
Throwing him off the ship with a family ex machina is not an arc, it's a shitty attempt to tie things up.

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>>83646844
He's right about the doctor. He doesn't even get a name by the end of the show even though he's expressed wanting one since Season fucking 1.

People just "like" him because he's sarcastic every now and then in a series that was otherwise devoid of any personality.

>>83647824
>He's right about the doctor
Agreed, they might have been able to do something with him if he ended up with Seven as they were perfect for each other or were less subtle (or otherwise directly addressed) his dejection at losing her, but it's just another dropped ball in the long list of them in Voyager.

That said, I like him, and you were right about why too. I just can't stand Neelix.

>>83629268
Just bought the Voyager box sets. Just breezed over the synopsis. This is going to be the best $220 I've ever spent.

>Dat Maquis and Federation tension
>Dat diverse cast of rookies, non-Starfleet members, holograms, Borg and new aliens
>Dat feeling of isolation and desperation of a crew of lost travelers
>Dat potential for character development and varying relationships among the crew
>Dat development on the Borg that is likely to ensue

This is going to be the best ride through a piece of science-fiction ever. I can't fucking wait!

>>83629268
I like Janeway, Seven, the Doctor, Tuvok, and Torres. They are likeable characters.
What you really mean is you don't like the show.

I have recently rewatched TNG and let me say, all of you who idolize TNG as the greatest trek show have some serious nostalgia goggles on. Over half of the episodes are boring and messily written, and very little seems to happen over the course of the 7 seasons really.
Voyager may not be an amazing show, but it is comfy and entertaining, and on the whole, not any worse than TNG, except as a matter of personal preference.

>>83636829
He was a fucking great character. I like how it's down to just him and the Doctor against a whole crew of Kazon who have taken over Voyager. After overcoming his violent urges, he has to use them and sacrifice himself to save the ship.

>>83640387
DS9 > TNG = VOY > TOS >>>>>>>>>> ENT

DS9 actually has good writing and character development, as well a huge world that's always changing. The ongoing story arcs are just so much better than anything in the other series. As time goes on more and more people have realized that DS9 was always a tier above the rest.

>>83629268
OP, YEP, THEY SHOULD HAVE NAMED THIS SHOW STAR TREK COCKSUCKERS!!!FACT!!!

>>83644108
Voyager doesn't age as badly as TNG does, and I do love TNG. But as the years go by it just seems more and more boring.

>>83648654
you mean a vocal minority that can't shut up realized it? yeah, sure.

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>>83642779
Genetically superior.

>>83648558
/tv/ is a DS9 board. Nobody here would disagree with you about TNG.

>>83648654
Not to the people that like the exploration part of Trek, which DS9 did very little. They all seem to not like it as much because they think Star Trek is all about exploring new places and peoples.

>>83648704
It's a minority because most trek fans grew up watching TNG so that show will have the biggest and more loyal fanbase for a long time. But the different in quality between DS9 and the others is becoming more and more obvious, especially TV shows nowadays are much more like DS9 than the other Treks, with the ongoing story arcs and ensemble casts.

http://www.hollywood.com/tv/get-thee-to-the-geek-star-trek-ds9-deep-space-nine-59086758/
http://www.popmatters.com/feature/star-trek-nation-building-on-bajor-why-deep-space-nine-is-really-the-post-9/
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3768230
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/3dr5wk/i_now_understand_why_ds9_is_widely_considered_to/

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>>83629268
Yep, 7 is best but Tuvok was okay as well, the rest pretty much shit

>>83648775
But Trek exploration was always pretty bad. What's some great exploration episodes from TNG or TOS?

>>83648775
I wonder what the results would be if someone listed all the species of alien that each series introduced. I'd wager they're very similar as TNG relies on TOS just as much as DS9 did TNG.

>>83648775
You learn more about every single race introduced in Star Trek in DS9 than you do in literally all of the other series combined.

They showed the cultures, economies, political ideologies, homeworlds, and general morals of every single major player in the Alpha quadrant and they did it for the lower players like the Breen and Ferengi too.

You learn more about the galaxy from the show set majorily on a space station than you did on 3 shows where they were exploring on star ships.

>>83648820
You DS9 fans really are desperate about being seen at the top.

>>83648908
5 Star Post. This is why DS9 is the best.

>>83648915
After 30 years of TNG getting its dick slobbered on it's only fair.

>>83648908
I know. Most people don't realize this about DS9. They'd rather just some story of the week and everything going status quo.

>>83648961
>older people liked it so I have to like DS9 more
No need to repeat it, I know how you people think. Probably also thinking you are smarter because you enjoy a show instead of another.

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>>83649084
>It's an actress is hotter in alien makeup episode

>>83648970
DS9 Fans enjoy the universe as a whole while TNG, TOS and VOY are only in it for the monster/alien of the week shit.

I have a feeling its mostly Boomers/children of Boomers who grew up with non-serialized television.

>>83649043
I made arguments as to why I think it's a better show, you have said nothing of value.

>>83639491
>>83639557
>not liking season 1
>skipping season 1
Fucking stupid idea. There are so many things in the later seasons that build from ideas in season 1. Also season 1 is good, but not as good as season 2 of course.

>>83649110
I'm ok with that. What a show we might have had if she had taken over Voyager and executed the moral brigade.

>>83649143
I know two huge Trek fans that both love TNG TOS and VOY and only appreciate DS9. Also a friend that doesn't give a shit about Trek that only like VOY and found DS9 boring and pointless.

>>83649203
I tried to get my friend into TNG and he said he couldnt get into it at all and I suggested DS9 and he was hooked almost immediately.

Anecdotal evidence but the fact remains DS9 is objectively the most fleshed out the Star Trek universe ever was and the writing was the best to boot.

I still enjoy rewatching TOS and TNG but I cannot stomach retreading the absolutely abysmal writing and plotlines of VOY. Never seen ENT.

>>83649158
Never said I had any intention to argue with you, retard. You already outed yourself anyway so why waste my time.

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>>83649355
Outed myself, wut? Why did you reply to me in the first place? Seems like you're some kind of fag.

>TOS, TNG, ENT
shows made for entire families during hard times to show possible utopian future about humanity
>DS9
show made for weaker people that needed "gritness" and "dark themes" because they have easy boring lives and have to search for those things elsewhere

>>83649595
>80s and 90s
>hard times

>>83629268

There wasn't one good character on that show. At least with 7of9 you got blonde hair and big boobs to look at.

Not as bad as "Enterprise", but definitely bottom rung on the ST franchise.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but all your opinions are fucking terrible, kys

>>83649675
>80s
still cold war period, and with the growing instability of the soviet union things were uncertain
>90s
exactly, easiest time in decades and that's why people wanted more gritness and darkness in their shows because now it was a different kind of escapism didn't need to be optimistic anymore since real life already seemed easy and this also explains the shift from humanity to the aliens culture and more pandering to what "nerds" care about

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I never watched any Star Trek.

Where should I start?

>>83649871

Star Trek the Motion Picture.

>>83649871
How old school are you willing to go? Because Star Trek started in the 60s.

>>83649932
Star Trek The No Motion Picture

>>83649871
The Original Series. Provided you can get over the 60's production value, it's easily the best written series.

>>83650044
DS9 is the best written series, we already went over this

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>>83649871
At the beginning obviously.

>>83650069
>Muh dark 'n edgy drama

Nah, close second but TOS is superior in depth of writing.

Chakotay was based.

>>83650126
>Kirk ends up on Space Rome
>kirk ends up on Space Greece
>Kirk ends up on Space Native Americans
>Kirk ends up on space Chicago
>etc.

WOAH SUCH DEPTH MUCH WRITING

>>83650208
DS9 and TOS's budgets aren't comparable. The scripts of TOS are of good enough quality to make up for a lot of those 'whatever set the studio wasn't using that week' episodes.

>>83649871
Watch the original movies then s2 of tng and just go from there. Enterprise and voyager can be disregarded if you can't stand the first few eps of either series.

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>>83629268
Get a load of this pleb

>>83648775
Star Trek purists don't like DS9 because it shits all over Rodenberry's idea of a utopian future where humans evolved into better beings than we are today

humans ultimately end up being no different in the future than they are today, the only difference is in the future the Illuminati actually get shit done

of course if you aren't a purist than DS9 is objectively the best trek

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>>83629489

That one episode about the group of low rank, enlisted crewmen was one of the best in that shitty series.

Oh and the two episodes with guy who does Chuckys voice from Child's Play were bretty gud too.

>>83650423
But he's right anon. The voyager crew are terrible especially chakotay and bellona. Muh ancestors, muh anger issues, they needed to die in the cold vacuum of space.

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>>83650432
It had good stories and writing, but I didn't like it basically making the Federation largely no better than modern states.

Mainly because they didn't NEED to do that, it didn't add anything to the stories, it just added a sheen of nihilism to the whole thing.

10/10 waifus though.

>>83649871
Start with The Original Series.

Then...
Star Trek the Animated Series.

It's the most patrician choice.

Star Trek the motion picture - VI

Then TNG. DS9. Voyager. ENT is optional.

>>83650521
yea but for those of us who never have nor will buy into the idea that humans will eventually just get their shit together the idea of Section 31 is neat

>>83650432
I don't hate DS9, I only hate the fanbase and this thread proved me right once again

>>83650575
>Voyager
>Not optional

At least ENT got ok in it's final season, Voyager never raised itself above 'meh' even on it's best day.

>>83650597
>Section 31

Don't get me started. An abomination. If you don't buy into humans improving themselves, why even watch Trek in the first place?

>>83650611
In Voyager's defense, its two parters were pretty good

>>83650645
decent scifi is hard to find

I also enjoy the 60 years of world building

>>83650597
no no one buys into that idea, that's why having a fictional world where it works is actually appealing
you are basically just a manchild that needs everything to be "mature" and "realistic" to justify your own real life inadequacies
you probably play videogames too

>>83650521
Star Trek has always had humans still no different than the modern day humans. The only difference is humanity in Trek has shifted it's mistrust and prejudice to aliens and not humans. Even TOS it was a blatant Cold War allegory with the Feds being America and the Klingons being the USSR.

>>83650699
whoa there fella, where is this aggression coming from?

>>83650739
I am just acting like a normal human

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>>83629436
She was L in MIB the Series

>>83650738
> The only difference is humanity in Trek has shifted it's mistrust and prejudice to aliens and not humans.

t. hasn't actually watched TOS

>>83650645
All that Section 31 means is that Humans are have the same footing as literally every other major power, who all have their espionage divisions. The conduct of the Federation is still nothing short of exemplary, especially considering that technically the Federation command has no control over Section 31. Hell, even the fact that Section 31 has autonomously protected mankind for centuries without oversight is a testament to mankind.

>>83630433

I wonder what his spirit animal was.

He wouldn't tell Janeway because it would 'disrespect her'; having a female spirit animal does make sense though since he's such a bitch.

Also, wasn't Andy Dick in this series?

I love him.

A borg crew member was one of the most interesting plot lines going.

>>83649871
old movies->TNG->DS9->TNG movies
TOS, TAS look like garbageq you only need the movies
VOY and ENT are a meme

>>83633973

Man, that episode where The Doctor found out that his AI has gone insane a number of times and he's had to be 'reset' was pretty sad.

Also, fucking Tank Girl is in this series.

And Andy Dick.

And the guy who does the voice of Chucky.

I take it all back; Voyager is the best ST series ever.

>>83650611
That's your opinion, some of us actually like Voyager. It's an entertaining show.

>>83651270
>I take it all back; Voyager is the best ST series ever.
Wrong

>>83650972
>UFP is essentialy controlled behind the scenes to an unknown degree by a sinister black ops division/shadow government with a seemingly unlimited off-the-books budget and zero oversight from any level of the legitimate government
>This is somehow in-line with a future where humanity has improved itself beyond it's 21st century behaviour

The whole idea that you can only have a moral, humanitarian society if you've got a bunch of immoral fascists running around behind the scenes torturing anyone suspected of disloyalty, murdering """"threats""""" with zero accountability and 'DOING WAT MUST BE DONE' is utterly, utterly against the UFP presented by TOS and TNG.

Section 31 being a black ops division of Starfleet that does shady stuff the UFP doesn't officially endorse/regular Starfleet officers aren't trained or willing to do? I'd have zero problem with that, sure, of course they'd need something like that on occassion. But I'd expect the UFP as presented in the previous series to retain strict control over such a division and only use it in extremis.

Section 31 as presented by DS9 (otherwise, probably my favourite series) is just taking it to far, to the point where it undermines the moral core of the society in general in my opinion. The idea that the UFP are just a bunch of sheltered sheep that need to be protected from the mean ol' universe by amoral sociopaths is dumb.

>>83651312
It's the correct opinion.

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>>83640387

DS9 is the one true Patricians ST series.

I remember watching 'In the Pale Moonlight' a million times because that's when Sisko finally realized what based Garak knew all along.

The ends justify the means.

Anyone who says any different is too weak to get their hands dirty and/or do what has to be done.

AKA

Tony Montana

>>83630433
i remember hearing a rumor once that chipotle's actor hated the show so much he tried to get himself fired by asking for more and more money, and it backfired on him when he kept getting it, can anyone confirm or deny this?

>>83651451
It's a fucking show, retard. You can act one way in real life and still like a different kind of fiction.
Just like all the criminals that are religious, kill yourself.

>>83651475
I don't know about the money story, but it was widely reported he disliked the show

which likely explains why are the series went on he had fuck all to do except become 7's fucktoy later on

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Voyager is fucking unbearable, way too filled with slow and pointless episodes, and almost every single character is annoying and/or stupid, I particularly can't stand Torres.

Only ones that seem good are EMH and Tuvok, who may be getting a pass only because he has to act emotionless, but at least he does a good job at it.

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>>83651451
>The ends justify the means.

>>83651533
Why do people get so mad about DS9?

>>83651592
You're entitled to your opinion but
>way too filled with slow and pointless episodes
applies to TNG more than any other show

>>83651627
see
>>83650432

>>83651627
>everyone that doesn't share this opinion is a weak willed person!!!!
>woah why do people call me a retard?
Try to unite the dots, if you can.

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>>83650611

Watching Enterprise made the thought of being buried alive instead much more appealing.

Fucking Trip dying in the last episode and Riker is the ships cook and it's all a Holodeck program.

FUCKgvwrgvbetdahednbhtsdxnaeDSfX

Wait.

I forgot about the arc about based Dr. Arik Soong and his Ubermensch army lead by Muad'dib.

Best ST series ever.

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>>83651627

I guess that's true, but back then Star Trek as a whole was warming up after being stored away since TOS, and Roddenberry elderly delirium crapped over the initial half of TNG, after he was gone it was all good, aside from maybe some of the last season.

DS9 it's were is at though, I can't comment on ENT as I haven't watched it yet but I'd place DS9 as the absolute best.

>>83651627
>Why do people get so mad about DS9?

Shat all over the world building done by previous series because the creators wanted to be grimdark because it was the 90's.

>>83651706
I'm not the same guy as >>83651592

>>83651836
But the previous series hardly did any world building (and often it made little sense or was contradictory). See
>>83648908

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>>83651971
>TOS/TNG
>Hardly any world building

>>83648908
>Ferengi too

Literally the best and most interesting race in all of Star Trek.

>>83648908
TNG did build up the Romulan culture more than DS9 did. But they were also brought in to be the new counterpart to the Federation much like the Klingons were in TOS. They represented forced uniformity, loyalty to the state and a highly militaristic society whereas the Feds were all about freedom of [literally anything].

>>83648908
>the Breen

be a species name dropped a few times in the franchise

make one solid appearance and be eternally known as a major players in Alpha Quadrant that just gave no real fucks and just wanted to be left alone in their little corner of the quadrant

The most annoying fucking characters were the borg kids my God did they shit up every episode they were in. I get why they were there but God they sucked.

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>>83652041

>Space Jews

MUH GOLD PRESS LATINUM

DS9 Ferengis were interesting though, in TNG they were just cartoon villains.

>>83652233
>Ferengi were initially set up to be the primary TNG villains

dodged a bullet there or a missed opportunity?

>>83652021
Most episodes introduce a planet or race which we then never hear about again. Those shows did some world building with the Romulans and Klingons and it was good stuff don't get me wrong, but in terms of quantity it amounts in total to only about a season's worth of DS9 world building.

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>>83652266

Definitely dodged a bullet, the Ferengi worked in DS9 only because they were properly developed as a race, having three Ferengi characters being part of the regular cast.

Same happened with the Klingons, in TOS they were just blood thirsty assholes who would always get bested at the end of every episode, then in TNG a Klingon character got added to the main cast and we got to learn about them as a race.

Voyager will always hod a special place in my heart because it originally aired on UPN aka the nigger network and constantly had ads for like The Wayans Brothers and Moesha during commercials and Voyager was so out of place.

>>83652266
Bullet dodged, they were terrible when they were first invented. Only later did they become interesting, complex and funny, as >>83652233 says.

"Nature decays, but Latinum lasts forever", Rule of Acquisition #102

>>83652266
They would have been developed differently if they stayed so who knows, people just judge them based on a couple of appearances on TNG

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>>83629436

i lieked that one where she was possessed by the ghost of an evil guy desu

>>83644798

you broke your little ships

>>83651451
>first seasons of ds9
Alamerain

>>83649871
in order of release, why would you watch anything out of order?

>>83653218
yeah she was good in that one. shame about the shitty set that's supposed to be the political center of an entire planet

>>83646844
His friendship with Tuvok was a definite arc for both characters.

>>83654747
>season 1
>Neelix thinks that Tuvok is his best friend
>Tuvok hates Neelix, but is too polite to say it out loud
>season 7
>Neelix thinks that Tuvok is his best friend
>Tuvok hates Neelix, but is too polite to say it out loud
Doesn't look like an arc to me.

7 years later and Neelix still hasn't even learned Tuvok's name.

>>83646844
he went from being a sleazy annoying guy to a more serious and professional guy toward the years and stopped running away facing a lot of his past and convictions

I bet you are a DS9 fan who needs saop opera level of exposition to understand "character development"

>>83651720
The Soong arc wasn't better than 7.5-8/10 but when you consider that (ignoring, of course, These Are the Voyages and Ghostniggers From Outer Space) that's the low water mark of the entire season that's a pretty fucking good season. The quality quotient of ENT S4 is through the roof.

>>83654842
If you have entirely selective memory like that than of course it doesn't look like an arc.

>>83654870
>I bet you are a DS9 fan who needs saop opera level of exposition to understand "character development"
2010 was 7 years ago. Move on already.

>>83654897
Even in his final episode, Neelix is still calling Tuvok "Mister Vulcan".

Protip: That's not Tuvok's name.

>>83654978
>Neelix teases Tuvok as is his favorite pastime.
>Must not remember his name.

>>83654941
I will, when I get proven wrong by arguments.
Strange how that has never happened, almost as if DS9 fans don't have arguments other than empty buzzwords.

>That episode where Johnny 5s arm makes a cameo

>>83655002
star rekt

>>83654999
Janeway teases Tuvok. Neelix annoys Tuvok to the point where Tuvok has fantasies about murdering Neelix. Big difference.

I never saw any indication that Neelix is aware that he's getting Tuvok's name wrong.

>>83653312
That's part and parcel of living in a big Federation.

>plucky crew of lost idiots destroys the borg and steals their tech

fucking voyager is why all startrek is reboot garbage now

>>83655289
>series finale
>Voyager wants to have their cake and eat it too
>they set their torpedoes to explode AFTER the macguffin sends them home
So why couldn't they do this in the pilot?

>>83655247
>Has fantasies about Murdering Neelix.
>Fantasies that only appear when his mind has been corrupted by a violent sociopath.

>>83654558

they should have kept him in her head it would have saved the character

and possibly jennifers sanity

>>83655336

yeh it was annoying the entire premise of the show was based on a plothole that makes this new crew just look stupid compared to the ones we're used to

they could have just designed the trip as one way

>>83655342
Why isn't he fantasizing about killing Janeway?

Oh, right, because Janeway is actually his friend.

>>83640086
/r/ing that copypasta of how the various captains would have dealt with the same problem

>>83650314
Nice goalpost moving champ. Maybe next time.

>>83655413
>Lets ignore every single time Neelix and Tuvok showed respect for each other. Including Tuvok shaking a leg for him before he leaves.

>>83655247
they become friends later, it's a slower build up but is clearly there

>>83651551
The money thing is supposedly true, along with daring the writers to write a romance with Seven because it would be fucking stupid. So, of course, they did that too.

>>83655539
>shaking a leg
Considering that Neelix still doesn't know Tuvok's name in the very same episode, it seemed to me that Tuvok was celebrating his own freedom from the eternal hell that is Neelix.

>>83652207
The loli was pretty cute at least. She's about my age now that I think about the years those seasons take place.

>>83655810
She hasn't even been born yet, you stupid pedo.

>>83651208
it was retarded and the fact that they made the character a blonde bombshell is even more retarded

>>83655661
See now you're just admitting that you lost the argument.

>It's a "T'Pol gets raped" episode
>It's a "T'Pol has Vulcan AIDS" episode
>It's a "Enterprise rips off Philadelphia and T'Pol is Tom Hanks episode"
>It's a "T'Pol's child dies in her arms" episode

>>83656026
>T'Pol gets Vulcan AIDS, so she can show more emotion and the audience can relate to her better
>T'Pol gets addicted to drugs, so she can show more emotion and the audience can relate to her better
>T'Pol receives new Surak teachings, so she can show more emotion and the audience can relate to her better
Do none of these stack?

>T'Pol is revealed to have a Romulan parent, so she can show more emotion and the audience can relate to her better
Thank goodness it was canceled first.

>>83634216
>Even Kate Mulgrew admitted that she couldn't make heads or tails of Janeway's behavior and began to portray her as bi-polar
Source

>>83655431
please someone tell me they have this. it perfectly encapsulated each captain's persona and modus operandi

>>83640523
Nathan Fillion is a meme.
Felicia Day is a meme.
Geek culture was a mistake.
Simon Pegg was right about all of it.

>>83656102
I was just listing the suffering

>>83656318
I am using your list as an opportunity to officially write up and file a formal complaint. You may now draw up the paperwork for me, if you please.

>>83652368
>ywn be in high school again watching Voyager after school
>ywn sit through 8 reruns of Sister Sister just to get to Voyager

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>>83656217

>>83656269
Dude chill

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>>83629268
Just like captain cuntway
Enterprise was better from the get go just for having a semi realistic cast.

>>83652233
The Bajorans were literally screaming muh holocaust

>>83656623
>when they revamped the OP so instead of singing "Sister, Sister" the girls sang "Shishter, Shishter"
Why.

You know what pisses me off the most about Voyager? How utterly fucked Chakotay's character was from the very beginning. I've been going through Trek in release order by Episode with my wife, and it's so frustrating to see how in EVERY episode Chakotay is left out or sidelined in favor of Tuvok.

Even that whole plan with Tom Paris, they just don't even fucking tell him. And then Janeway straight up tells Chakotay "well I guess the cat's out of the bag, Tuvok and I formed a secret club without you, haha!"

>>83656685
This one doesn't make sense. The Shire always represents Western Civilization in these memes, so it should be reversed

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>>83656780
no hate

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>>83656714

Bajorans were basically like the holocaust survivors, the "Muh Trillion, Gorillion innocent Bajorans", Ferengis were the happy merchant kind of Jew, the type who created the Israeli state after WWII, their whole culture is about happy "merching", they just happen to hear dem good deals instead of sniffing them.

>>83656952
Yep, I have seen these about 15 times now since the original thread

>>83656956
Israel is actually pretty socialist. Ferenginar resembles America more than it resembles Israel.

voyager has too many "data" characters. seven, tuvok, doctor.

I'm gonna make an image soon to get passed around here:

Alien Races Expanded Upon in Star Trek (or some other better title)

>TOS
Vulcans

>TNG
Klingons, Romulans
Honorable mention: Betazoids

>DS9
Ferengi, Cardassians, Bajorans, The Dominion

>VOY
The Borg

>ENT
Andorians, Vulcans

Did I miss anything?

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>>83657167

The Trill Symbionts.

>>83649871
TNG is literally the best star trek has to offer. It's what will get you to watch everything else. It's why everything after TNG even exists.

>>83657234
Oh yeah good call, I knew I left something out in ds9

>>83657167
Please use the filename AREuiST.jpg

>>83657269
You have to credit the movies for TNG though, without the renewed popularity brought on by the movies TNG wouldn't exist

>>83657300
Um what

>>83657167
the Q in VOY

>>83657327
Oh yes. How could we forget about Voyager ruining the Q just like they ruined the Borg.

>>83657167
>>ENT
>Andorians, Vulcans
Do the Xindi count?

They spent a whole season on them.

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>>83657342

Holy shit don't remind me

>Watching Voyager
>They name-drop some scientific phenomenon
>Immediately pause and Google "199X scientific phenomenon"
>There's a bunch of topical news articles right around the time the episode was written and produced
>Or it's an episode about a contemporary ethical dilemma like the Q trying to commit suicide and Dr. Kevorkian

C O M F Y

>>83657390
>JANEWAY MY LOVE, THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE Q IS TO MATE WITH ME AND DELIVER OUR HYBRID BABY SPACE Q JESUS TO THE CONTINUUM

>>83657372
Yeah I suppose, although I was going for more of "aliens that are introduced in one show but expanded on in another". But then the Dominion doesn't count, and TOS technically doesn't have anything, so I guess they can fit in there.

I guess why I'm hesitant to include them is that there's not a lot of insight into their culture or races. They're the generic bad guy with a dumb motivation, and aren't really expanded upon much beyond the fact that they had 6 sentient races evolve on one planet

>>83657513
I thought they put in a fair amount of detail

>>83657537
I mean all I really remember from the last time I watched it was
1) they were being played by the timeline ayyliums who lied to them to get them to attack Earth and
2) they have 5 species, and there used to be a bird one but they killed them all

You never have the kind of detail like that ep where Bashir and O'Brien get taken prisoner by the Jem Hadar and you learn that they're addicted to this drug the founders control and that they actually have minds of their own, etc

>>83655886
hyuck hyuck.

i liked yovager

>>83630433
MUH HOOCHIE COOCHIE

>>83657167
Q in TNG and Voyager

In Voyager alone: Kazon andHirogen
Also Talaxians, Species 8472 and Videans to a lesser degree

It's worth noting that in DS9 the Dominion have several races and they are all expanded upon in great detail, the Founders, the Jem Hadar and the Vorta. Also the Klingons are expanded upon in DS9.

>>83651475
i'd hate the show too if my character was indistinguishable from an extra

>>83638951
>>83633535

I tend to forget how plebian these VOY threads are, but let me give you the correct order.

DS9>TNG>ENT>TOS>INFINITE POWER GAP>VOY

>>83657751
Q wasn't really touched on much in TNG. He served as comic relief and a fun episode for the writers here and there.

Klingons in DS9 is fair. Disagree on the Voyager races though. We never stay with any of them long enough to get a real deep dive into them. I would argue for Talaxians that it's really just Neelix.

This thread was great for the first 200 posts.

>>83657751
The Kazon are never really expanded on more than being generic Klingon knockoffs. Even the writers were saying in magazines and on AOL that "the Kazon are going to be one of the greatest Star Trek antagonists of all time, just you wait!!!" Aaaaand then they were dropped and never heard from again.

Hirogen have no real interesting characteristics other than being shitty Predator clones. It's why I didn't put the Ferengi in TNG

>>83657954
What's wrong with it now?

>>83657981
not enough big guys

>>83657998
Or not enough guys replying in general?

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Got a question for you guys. Friend and I are going to make a little Trek-inspired space politics game for an upcoming game jam.

In essence, Star Trek is a show about resolving moral dilemmas, usually between different cultures. In your opinions, what is that Trek does that makes these space disputes interesting instead of boring?

>>83657998
I'm trying to think of more uninspired and derivative ways to forcefully combine Star Trek with /tv/ memes.

Which do you think has more potential?
>Janeway on the street: "You want it to be one way. You want it to be one way. But it's the Janeway."
>Sisko in the black lodge: "That sport you like is going to come back in style."

>>83658099
What really sets Trek apart from the others is that many times there is no right or wrong answer. The fact that people here still argue over "who was in the right" is a testament to that

>>83629268

TNG and DS9 were enjoyable to watch.

VOY was not, also Tuvok was pretty based.

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>>83629268
I don't know. I used to shit on VOY like everyone else, but lately after watching reruns of it I've found it to be quite comfy. First couple seasons though, everything to do with the Kazon and Caretaker, make no fucking sense whatsoever.

And The Killing Game was one of the very few times a holodeck malfunction episode was done right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytzGInyyFHU

>>83640689
>ENT came up with that explanation alone.
If by that you mean they literally took some fan theories and made a two-part episode out of it.

>>83658099
they go out of their way to resolve them while trying to keep their moral high ground instead of just taking the easy way out and compromising

>>83658099
>In your opinions, what is that Trek does that makes these space disputes interesting instead of boring?
Offering a third-person view. Instead of having the perspective of culture A or culture B when A and B are fighting, you get the perspective of culture C and consequentially the perspective of both A and B. Interestingly enough, the thing that made DS9 so engrossing was that it did away with this.

>>83658127
>If by that you mean they literally took some fan theories and made a two-part episode out of it.
And it worked out great.

>>83630433
the actor
and the character both
can win the an award for "Worst Star Trek officer ever"

I don't understand why he shat all over it. I mean, VOY had hack writing but you can see the Doctor, Janeway and even (allah help me) Neelix and others making it greater than what it was. Because where VOY might have had crapshoot writing, people still watched it because it was FUN.

>>83653218
this single episode redeemed Kes. Kes had potential the writers just squandered it away.

>>83658108
>>Janeway on the street: "You want it to be one way. You want it to be one way. But it's the Janeway."
Best thing I have read all day

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>>83629288

Shut your whore mouth

>>83652233
>>83648908
Fun fact: When they were first introduced, the Ferengi were meant to be the new dangerous big bad alien race, much like the Klingons and Romulans.

While the Klingons fought for their love of battle, Ferengi fought for their greed. The idea was quickly abandoned and they became a joke race, which gave us Quark, the greatest Star Trek character of all time

>>83629268
Nah. I actually think The Doctor, Neelix, and Mr. Vulcan are good in addition to Seven. And Janeway is pretty cool in most episodes too.

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>Next Generation
>MUH RAPE GANGS
>Character is immediately killed off

>DS9
>MUH SLAVERY, MUH CULTURE, MUH RELIGION, MUH...
>Characters are allowed to live on, downfall of Star Trek begins

>Voyager
>"CAPTAIN, MY PEOPLE THE *insert random Indian tribe here* BELIEVE THAT THE SCORPION WILL ALWAYS STING THE FOX, AND THAT..."
>Neelix slides into the room with whacky music playing
>LE DISAPPROVING BLACK VULCAN FACE

And people wonder why Voyager is seen as so absolutely cancerous.

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>>83658325

destroying her... Forever...

>>83640086
Janeway
>the incinerated mass of half the planet in the backround
>"It couldn't be helped"
Picard
>:standing up from his captain's chair and tugging down his sweater:
>"Q we achieved world peace on earth centuries ago, I demand you to change it back this instant!"
Sisko
>:appears outraged:
>"This is an outrage!"
>sisko punches somebody
Archer
>"Reed, ready the torpedoes"
>"But Captain, we don't have torpedoes yet"
>"THE VULCANS DID THIS!"
Kirk
>catatonic muslim women in the backround, having been sexed to exhaustion
>Kirk beams back to his ship.
>Spock "Captain, your course of action is highly illogic..."
>"Captain, we're being hailed by the terrorists"
>(terrorists) "We surrender."
>Spock eyebrow raise
>Kirk smiling

I did my best.

>>83658663
I don't understand what you are trying to convey.

>>83658127
The Killing Game is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes and yeah Voyager is super comfy despite its flaws.

>>83658448
Holy shit how have I not seen this before LOL

>>83658476
Thank you based Rodenberry for dying

>>83658769
Wait but she had a shaved head in her JUST photo that always gets floated around here. Or is that not her?

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>>83658663

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I don't really watch Star Trek, but next person to reply to me with a star trek episode suggestion I will 100% watch it no matter how good or shitty

>>83658954
Voyager
Somebody To Watch Over Me

>>83658826
Started strong but petered out there towards the end. Gotta commit

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>>83658826
>Kirk barely got any tail in the actual show, despite the constant jokes/parodies.

>>83658856
>>83658946
Not that guy but I think he's saying characters that espouse left of center viewpoints should be killed like Tasha Yar

>>83658969
LOL I'm so sorry anon

>>83659016
>espouse left of center viewpoints
>Star Trek

well, no shit. This isn't Starship Troopers.

>>83659009
We've been over this, in the 60s, kissing on tv = sex. They couldn't show or imply anything sexual on tv at the time, so that was the most they could get away with

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>>83658954
The Original Series
The Alternative Factor

>>83659038
Like I said, he didn't get much action.

>>83659036
Yeah you always get these super buttmad /pol/ posters that come into these threads and start picking fights with everyone for some reason. By comparison, I would much rather have to deal with the jock posters who come in here and call us a bunch of gay nerds

>>83658663
Do you require a hugbox?

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>>83658890
Courtesy of the superior /trek/ general

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>>83629268
>not liking lon suder

Reminder that the Voyager crew literally murdered an innocent being while he begged for help. They should all be in prison

>>83659070
Did you watch the show??? Like every 5th episode he's smooching some 9/10 ayyylium babe-a-rooni

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>>83651172
>Also, wasn't Andy Dick in this series?

Yep

>>83659038
this is not true, there are scenes that imply Kirk had sex in TOS, they are all in season 3 tho

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>>83659094

>>83659104
You say that like they're the first Trek crew to do that.

>>83659094
Generals will always be inferior to spontaneous comfy threads

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>>83659118

>>83659108
Yeah, Kirk barely got action because it's specifically stated that sort of shit is frowned upon for the flagship of Star-fleet.
Girls do pretty much get flirty/stare at him kinda often though.

>>83659094
>superior /trek/ general
which one of the many?

>>83659128
I dont watch that much trek. What did the others do?

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>>83659159

>>83659104
Bashir, Crusher and Kim are the only characters that shouldn't be in prison

>>83659188
Bashir was going to go to prison but his parents were able to take his place.

>>83659157
Sisko murdered Senator Vreenak

>>83659232
No, Garak did.
Sisko just covered it up.

>>83659257
Sisko employed Garak as his instrument of murder.

>>83629880
Hehe, akoochemoyaman was pretty cool. Rubber tree peeps 4 lyfe!

>>83659273
No, Garak did that on his own volation. He was hired to make a fake recording without it being exposed as one.

>>83659232
>>83659257
>>83659273
There's still no "begging for help" there, though.

>>83630172
Yeah acoochiemoya was actually pretty deep. I'm far from a bone, lol.

>>83659289
My dear captain... I think we BOTH knew what you really meant. :^)

>>83659157
Not him, but off the top of my head Archer and Flox in Enterprise made a sentient clone to harvest his neural tissue for Trip. Riker and Pulaski killed clones of themselves in the space Irish episode. O'brien killed his cellmate for a scrap of food when he was in that virtual prison.

>>83630210
I dont think she went insane, those are pretty strong words bud.

>>83659289
Regardless, I think we can all agree that episode is amazing.

>>83659232
You're insisting that Voyager isn't the first, and yet Garak murdered Vreenak AFTER Janeway murdered Tuvix.

It's linear.

Your argument is a failure.

>>83631370
Nobody liked him! Hahahaha were you being ironical?

>>83659334
"no"

>>83659295
Kirk left a whole planet of people to die when he refused to give them Spock's brain or help them fix their computer, even though they begged him.

>>83659357
Kirk teaches the men and women to use the computer together. The computer tells the men and women how to have sex together, and their society is saved.

>>83659316
>Not him, but off the top of my head Archer and Flox in Enterprise made a sentient clone to harvest his neural tissue for Trip.
He was dying anyway though. Unless you consider flash-cloning murder by definition then what they did wasn't murder. Also, he willingly gave his tissues up.

>>83659316
>O'brien killed his cellmate for a scrap of food when he was in that virtual prison.
Pre-scripted cutscene that can't be skipped or avoided. Blame the prison's writers.

>>83659104
If you're referring to Tuvix, that doesn't' count.

>>83659422
>Janeway confronts the aliens who stole Neelix's lungs
>JANEWAY: So now I am left with the same choice you made. Whether to commit murder to save a life, or to allow my own crewman to die while you breath air through his lungs.
>MOTURA: It must be impossible for you to understand how any civilised people could come to this. Before the phage began, we were known as educators and explorers, a people whose greatest achievements were artistic. I myself am a sculptor of note on my world. All I can say is that when your entire existence is at stake--
>DERETH: You don't have to explain yourself, Motura.
>MOTURA: If the consequence of this act is a death sentence, so be it. At least it will put an end to my suffering.
>JANEWAY: I can't begin to understand what your people have gone through. They may have found a way to ignore the moral implications of what you are doing, but I have no such luxury. I don't have the freedom to kill you to save another. My culture finds that to be a reprehensible and entirely unacceptable act.
What did Janeway in Phage mean by this?

>>83659094
On which board is that? I want to escape this place

>>83659441
natural existing life versus transporter accident
transporter accidents, clones, androids, holograms
aren't natural so they don't get rights

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I would just like to take this opportunity to remind you all who best boy is.

All glory to the Founders.

>>83659540
Weyoun is a clone. Clones don't get rights. He is therefore disqualified for entry in the Best Boy Bowl.

>>83659393
Flox withheld knowledge from Archer and Sim that there was a slim possibility they could halt his accelerated aging based on fringe research. I mean, yeah, Flox determined it was inconclusive, but it's still kind of shifty.

>>83659420
Probably, but O'Brien never knew for sure, and I remember him saying to Bashir something along the lines of "It could've just as well been you that I killed."

>>83659493
Sometimes I wish I was this much of a brainlet so I could bumble my way through the world completely unmolested of any challenging thoughts whatsoever

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>>83659604
I can see how that might be your first reaction. But anon, we are reasonable men, and surely reasonable men can come to some sort of mutually acceptable compromise?

>>83652266
Missed opportunity if you look at the Drudge.

>>83659669
>getting this worked up over jesting posts
wew, do you get this serious about the "did nothing wrong" posts too?

>>83659723
>posting disingenuously in a Trek thread
Do I need to remind you about your first duty?

>>83659750
THE FIRST DUTY OF EVERY STARFLEET OFFICER IS TO POST THE MEMES

>>83659750
>implying I am not a renegade kind of guy like Sisko who does it because he can take it

>>83659723
I'm sorry anon, there are actually people that retarded who have made these exact same arguments in these threads before. Over the years as more and more retards have started using the internet I've found it increasingly difficult to separate the layers of irony

>>83659422

Of course it counts

>>83659455
/tg/

>>83660143
k

>>83655972
Suck dick, Kate.

>>83660143
>>83660675
Stop. You lost. Get over it.

>>83660143
>>83660675
>>83660863
What an embarrassing and pathetic display. Hopefully we'll 404 soon and nobody else will ever have to witness this again.

>>83659851
Those were all fun ideas to bandy around, endemic of SF fandom, not "retarded" you fucking louse. Get out of these threads. You aren't one of us.

ITT:
>Characters that make bad decisions and when presented with a choice in a situation where there are no good options are liable to make different choices depending on the minor details are bad characters, because they should be infailable moral compasses as tried and true as a god, and any attempt to portray a character as someone whose trying to stick to morals that cannot help them in the given situation is wrong
>I, Robot conversely is a shitty series because its mostly about establishing absolute rules and then shows how easy they are to break without any particular, universal flaw on anyone's side

I'm sure most people here also think that Nothing Human's moral was that the Cardassian was evil, not that the Cardassian's philosophy was simply incompatible with the Federation's morals, and had to be taken offline so that the all-important society built upon those morals can continue.

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>>83660675
>>83660863
>>83661025
The fact that I'm not as sad as you gives my life newfound hope and meaning.

>>83661186
Alas, I cannot delete posts this often. Farewell, opponent.