Why were 80-90's action movies so much better? post

commando

>>83627637
> Implying Die Hard wouldn't be 100x times better with color grading, CG action stunt shots with speed ramping and handheld camera work

>>83627691
I know you are being ironic but die hard 3 was the first action movie to do the handheld camera thing ten years before Bourne made it trendy and it also has some outdated cgi yet it's better than 1

>>83627716

Die Hard 3 is literally just a rewritten Lethal Weapon script though. Still good but its always bothered the fuck out of me because of how obvious it is

>>83627716
I like die hard because John is very a relateable, lovable character. We can invision ourselves being in his shoes. And bad guys are lethal but not spammy, each kill has weight.

DH3 still got the John we like, but it's kinda hard to invision us into a Counter terroist super cop.

>>83627637
>>83627637
Die Hard is overrated trash, first John Wick was superior in every way

>>83627802
Wish the black dude in die Hard 3 was Carl Winslow from first movie

>>83627637
I wish I could articulate it well enough to write an actual essay but I can't, so I hope someone has already explained it in detail.

>>83628021
This is why Millenials need genocide

>>83627885
>he never destroyed an East German army led by Charles Ryder, his Hungarian Bro and his hot Aryan Deaf Chick that was trying to steal from Wall Street, with the help of a random black New Yorker

what a faggot!

>>83628035
>fat black cop
>running like hell through new york to pick up phones

Top Kek

>>83627637
But Mad Max Femenist road exists

Hardcore Harry

District 9

>>83628273
>Mad Max film without Mel Gib-
No, thanks

>Hardcore Harry
I ain't a commie

>District 9
Never saw it, but believe it to be good
Not as good as Die Hard, but good

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>>83627637
Great social commentary "B" action masterpiece !!

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>>83627637
Predator 2

Literally miles better than the first one

>>83627663
I literally just finished watching it, is that you Bennett?

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>>83628524
Meh ... You ain't see nothing YET !!!

>>83627637
bloodsport is an underrated example, in fact JCVD is overlooked in general when talking about 80s stuff

>>83628524
get so far to fuck anon you couldn't be more wrong, predator is the perfect action movie

The Fugitive is kino from start to finish.

>>83628524
>this meme again

>>83627637
arnie

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This
The Rock
Face/Off

Like a holy Trinity of caged action

>>83628973
>>83629045
Why do you like the Arnie one so much? Predator 2 combines cop drama action with an Alien and it is amazing!

Way better than the Arnie one that makes gets bland halfway thru

>A jungle
Okay I get it.

Not as enjoyable as Danny Glover hunting down the Predator and Predator 2 has one of the best 3rd acts ever

>>83627802
somebody explain die hard 3's ending to me
so he found simon's asprin bottle and knows he's in canada?

>>83627691
>Die Hard didn't have color grading

>>83629214
>arnie meticulously laying traps for the predator
>a man who in every film he's in is this godlike machine that can't be stopped, reduced to scrambling around hiding
>bland

firm disagree
i'm not saying pred 2 isn't great, solid 8/10, but nothing beats predator for me

>>83629311
R U SRS?

>>83629354
humour me

>>83628207
Millennials are the ones who circle jerk 90's action movies.

The problem is that you watch American action movies, but yes for American action movies the 80'-90's was the best.

Predator and Die Hard are perfect action movies. They will never be bettered.

Speed and The Rock are almost as good.

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Pic related is actually better than Die Hard.

>>83629712
My fucking man, i would watch this all the fucking time when i was a young bloke

They didn't care about muh gritty or muh realism and just made it as fantastical as they could get away with

It was just supposed to be fun and not needlessly introspective in any way

>>83629712
Came to post this.

>>83627637
superb taste anon.

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Road Warrior is the only film I've seen that perfectly mixes gritty, brutal realism and fairy-tale fantasy

>>83628021
Explain. You didn't raise any points

I think it's because they didn't rely on capeshit and cgi as much

>>83627637
In 80s/90s action movies, only the hero was on roids, now it's the entire cast, regardless of the role.

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>>83627637
Cobra is the best action film from the 80s, hands down.

>>83627637
>Why were 80-90's action movies so much better?

because they didn't have to worry about offending anyone.

Do you count late 90s movies like 5th Element, Matrix, and Blade?
They're quite different from the the typical 80s action movie.

>>83627637

because it was genuinely considered badass when people weren't all cynical edgekids "oh that's so cheesy of course he walks away in slow-motion right? oh tehre he goes. gosh I'm so above this stuff and I'm barely 20"

Could anyone name a dozen or so action movies from the past ten years? I mean, with all the blending of genres these days it's hard to tell what you all are referring to.

>>83630982
Action movies blended with other genres is nothing new. Just look at Predator, Mad Max, True Lies, Robocop, Aliens, ...

>>83627637
>>83627637
Because they cast believeable actors as action heroes, not twinks like nowadays.

>>83631089
Yeah, Arnie is a really believable spy.

>>83631032
It's a fine line though. For example, I consider stuff like Man of Steel or Transformers 3 primarily scifi disaster movies. Scale has a lot to do with it, the less one man with a gun can achieve, the further it strays from the action genre I think.

>>83630982
Dredd
No Country for Old Men
Looper
The Raid
John Wick

Notice how the only good one was NCFOM?

Really the best action movie ever

>plausible
>NYPD cop trying to put his marriage and family back together and do right by his wife
>in the wrong place and wrong time during a money heist
>some slick, sophisticated European criminal trains with radical German terrorist groups to build networks and gain training, is thrown out because he's not down for the cause, just money
>hires mercs, some German, American
>FBI and LAPD are incompetent
>Bruce Willis saves the day

>>83631114
>Imagine

>>83628296
>Hardcore Harry
its absolutely goat

watch it

same for D9

>>83631179
>The Raid
>Elite Squad
it's only Hollywood that sucks at action now. it took two former Matrix stuntmen to make a decent flick.

>>83628467
First blood 2 is a better action movie while First Blood is a better movie

no glass and blood made of cgi
that's a huge improvement

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>>83627637

Great family film too.

>>83628207
Why are you browsing 4chan if you're 40 years old? If you're not 40+ years old, why are you being a "ugh le born in le wrong le generation" faggot?

>>83627670
Is that a famas?

>>83631089
This. Compare Kyle Reese in Terminator to Kyle Reese in Genisys. The former genuinely looks scrappy, like he's been through hell. You know, like how someone who's been fighting in a future war his whole life should look, while the latter looks like some beefy hairless Chad, which completely contradicts the character

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super fucking fun

>>83628524

>thisisbait.jpg

>>83631939
Genisys' Reese grew up in a timeline where the resistance wins effortlessly because John Connor is using the knowledge acquired from original Reese and the various time traveling robots.

>>83629712
It's not better than Die Hard. But it is better than Die Hard 2.

>>83631907

Mossberg 500 in bullpup kit.

>>83631980

Not really as it completely shits on it's source material. PV really fucked it up, but it would be a decent action flick if it wasn't Starship Troopers.

>>83632112
The source material is boring as fuck.

>>83627637
>Why were 80-90's action movies so much better?
nostalgia. There are good recent action flicks out there

>>83627637
The reason is because 80s action movies might seem stupid at first, but they are more intelligent than whatever some pretentious fuck like Nolan came up with.

Die Hard is a story about overcoming PTSD, family, capitalism and consumerism, disfunctional hierarchies, and a simple man making a difference. If it had been written 2000 years ago by the greeks it would be one of the great classics.

Same could be said about Commando, Conan, many other classic action movies. Fucking Conan had more depth than Schindler's List.

>>83632112
I agree what other name would you gave it?

HK had some awesome stuff back in the 3 day, like Hard Boiled or OCTB

>>83632147

One day Anon, you may grasp literature beyond The Cat in the Hat.

>>83632241
BUGS IN SPACE!!!!!!!!

>>83632187

>overcoming PTSD

No?

>>83632269
As if Heinlein is in any way challenging.
It had some novel scifi concepts at the time but that's really it. And since those have long been copied many many times there's no reason to read his works anymore.

>>83629311
There's the name of the hotel on the bottle. It's a mediocre rushed ending though.
In the original alternate ending, he tracks him down to his house and explains how it helped him find him.

People working in the industry had higher standards. Also, without CGI people had to focus on characters and story to make things interesting. Matrix was the last great action film, after that it all went to hell, at least in Hollywood. I kinda blame George Lucas. The prequels showed that Nostalgia and CGI are a goldmine, regardless of overall quality.

>>83632074
Even then, he shouldn't look like a model.

>>83632387

Paul, just because you don't like the philosophy of Starship Troopers, doesn't mean you should make "Le evil Nazis vs. Le evil Bugs".

>implying Heinlein isn't relevant today

>>83632435
Heat is a love drama that happens to have a few great gunfights.

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>>83631939
Forget Reese - compare John Connor's

>>83632435

Probably the best overall but it's not pure action unlike most of the others itt

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>>83630765
It's no Commando, but it is a great movie.

>>83630765
Fantastic movie but best? It's just so uneven.

>>83627637
I have a soft spot for 80s/90s action films including guys like Arnie, Willis, Stallone....

that being said, you gotta be honest about what they are. It's sort of low brow shit.

You'll always have a lot of nostalgic love for the shit you loved as a kid, all generations have that.

But the truth is there are still these types of films around today. They're Transformers or Fast and Furious.... and without the lens of nostalgia it's easier to recognize them as the shit they are....

I will say the male leads in 80s/90s movies where quite a bit more masculine though.... hell, Bruce Willis is probably the only one that wasn't juiced up to his eyeballs all the time.

And male leads now in most things are more cut from the metrosexual nu-male cloth.
Tangent: Can any male lead these days give as believable a "thousand yard stare" as Stallone? He really looks like a war-hardened veteran that's seen some shit.....

>>83632315
If you pay attention Die Hard was pretty much a story about Powell overcoming the feeling of guilt he had for shooting that kid with the toy gun, after he emphasized with John Mcclane and the stuff he had to go through in the story. Especially when John was being blamed for the death of that manager guy, even though it was ultimately not his fault. The bond that develops between John and Powell brings Powell back psychologically and he becomes able to pick up his weapon again in order to do what's right. In a sense it's very much like the Bhagavad Gita where Arjuna sits down in between the battlefield because he's crippled by guilt and self-doubt, just to pick up his weapons again after Krishna teaches him to cope with his moralistic dilemma...

>>83632590
Total Recall is not Fast and the Furious

Robocop is not Transformers

Aliens is not Battleship

Die Hard isn't... I don't even know the modern equivalent.

>>83632590

>Die Hard is like totally the child's cartoon based off action figures with it's nudity, profanity, and ultra violence.

No, it was something completely new. Even 70s action movies only really had Dirty Harry and The French Connection for gritty action.

>>83627663
my family wore out 5 copies on vhs.my brother, sister, dad and me can literally repeat every line word for word.

>>83632709
and Death Wish

Most everything else is shitty Bond movies, and constant sequels.

>>83632112
no one ever gave a fuck about the book, fuck off

>>83627670
Hidden gem.

>>83632676

Robocop - Dredd
Aliens - Edge of Tomorrow
Die Hard - The Raid

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>>83632768

>Nobody gave a fuck about a Hugo Award for Best Novel, and nobody bought it despite it being a best seller.

No faggot, go suck an AIDS infested cock.

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>>83628035
>we will never get Carl of duty:Black Cops on xbox 360

>>83632880
Even Hack Hack Martin won that award.

>>83628524
Big Game Hunter would have been a better story to make into a movie than Predator 2. the only saving grace it had was Gary Busey.

>>83629712
I had gotten some of those door breaching shotgun rounds the day i turned 18, because of this movie.

i shot the whole box up punching holes in plywood at my friends house.

>>83632177
Correct. Sure, the 80s had superior Action films which you can still direct exactly like that today and they would be as great as back then, but everyone seems to forget the huge amount of garbage like the whole no Budget Ninja stuff from Godfrey Ho. And that shit was successful.

>>83632479
the left one looks like a psycho killer

>>83632590
>that being said, you gotta be honest about what they are. It's sort of low brow shit.
I disagree. Some are, some aren't. People like Milius, McTiernan and Verhoven were far from unintelligent and uneducated, they had classical training and education, were deeply influenced by arthouse, literature, philosophy, mythology, etc. they cared about making mature films where the style matched the substance despite the superficial low-brow aspects... It's because no one was taking this genre seriously that they could be a bit subversive thematically; They Live or Starship Troopers wouldn't be produced today, the racial subtext in DH3, the philosophical depth in Conan would be purged, Predators is Predator without the anthropological understanding of the survival/return to nature genre and McTiernan's ability to suggest instead of showing, etc.

Stuff like Commando or Con Air are fully low-brow, vulgar and cheesy, they embrace the testosterone and that's why they're fun. That's the kind of pleasure you still get with F&F or Crank or The Raid or John Wick. The more noble, more intelligent, relatable, thematic, with a mature sense of aesthetics, auteur-driven, etc. action is pretty much dead though. I think the main difference is the modern action filmmakers are younger, self-aware fanboys, people like Snyder think in terms of "wow it's awesome, we always need more, bigger, louder" and have little influences and culture outside of the action blockbuster genre. McTiernan could give you a lecture on Fellini. Milius could talk about classic literature. Carpenter has seen countless westerns and transformed them into something more. ...Snyder and Bay are guys who have seen action movies.

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>>83627637
Budgets ballooned, which increased overhead, which made studios force a pg-13 rating to minimize risk, which lead to cutawaysmand shakey cam to avoid showing explicit violence.

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>>83627637
They didn't take themselves seriously like the gritty edgy movies of 2000s+

It was about stunts and explosions, CGI ruined that.

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>no Cliffhanger yet
>mfw

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>>83633457
>the philosophical depth in Conan

>>83632479
Holy shit the right scar looks way more realistic than the one in the left, how?

>>83633605
Left is created by layering putty over the face. Their effects guy sucked though because he used way, way too much.
Right is mostly painted on.

>>83627637
Less reliance on cgi

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The comfiest action saga.

>>83627885
>we can envision ourselves being in his shoes
I chucked a little

>>83633604
>he still hasn't solved the riddle of steel
cromlaughingfromhismountain.jpg

>>83632479
A little unfair, considering one is a main character and the other is not, but I get your point

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>>83633808
He has no shoes!

Seriously though, that's one of the coolest things about DH. Modern filmmakers always give more to the protag. By the third act, he has the biggest gun and he's invincible. More is less, less is more.

Schwarzenegger
Stallone
Willis
Van Dam
Segal
Lundgren

Action movies had to compete against other action movies

>>83631179
>NCFOM
>action
you made me respond so ill give you that
dredd and wick are also great action movies you faggot.

No love for Chuck or Clint? What gives?

>>83634362
It's literally paced like an action movie which is why it's my favorite Coen Brothers flick

Being action doesn't make something lesser, but lets call a spade a spade here

theme of the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDhQvDFsgw

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>>83633807
I even liked the fourth one.

Demolition Man
Predator 1,2
Robocop
Judge Dredd
Die Hards
Terminator 1,2 and other arnold movies like true lies, eraser ...
Universal soldier and other van damme movies
Desperado
all the Lethal Weapons
Seagal kinos
Speed
The Rock
Bad Boys

movies of my childhood. when times were simpler and movies were great

shit i how can i forgot all the Rambos

Are you Tango or Cash?

>>83633604
Legit /v/edit pleb.

>>83627637
From 1980-1999 my top 5 action would be:
1. Die Hard (McTiernan, 1988)
2. Highlander (Mulcahy, 1986)
3. First Blood (Kotcheff, 1982)
4. Batman (Burton, 1989)
5. Air Force One (Petersen, 1997)

>>83633807
The continuity between all 4 LW movies is unmatched, no weird crap anywhere making for a seriously comfy marathon

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chinkkino right here

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I miss when people nearly died doing stunts

>>83635392
they still do, 2-3 people died or got FUBAR'd on RE: Final Chapter and one died during Transformers 3, just off the top of my head

>>83628524
I wouldn't say it's better than the first one, but it is definitely underrated. The 70s/80s/early 90s crime wave has its fingerprints all over the movie. The urban jungle is well executed.

>>83635458
>>83635392
Different anon but also the Maze Runner guy who had his face fucked up being run over by a car during a chase sequence.

>>83629712
Fucking love this movie in every way.

Wat is /tv/s opinion of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36gSLmCHpUQ

>>83635815
A crime against humanity

>>83633605
More skilled make-up artist. Goes to show more advanced movie making techniques and technology are no substitute for the skill of the person uaing the them.

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>>83635815
>watches Demolition Man once

>>83632479
The one from T2 gives credence to "never fuck with the original", that actor is just a nobody and is perfect

>>83635325
True dat. It almost seems like they actually liked to hung around together

>>83633504
Why did budgets balloon?

>>83635979
money laundering fronts.they just charge the LLC or whatever production company some loanshark ass interest rates so the movie never "makes money" to shuffle money around, and charge themselves through a front catering company $500 for a bottle of water on set.

>>83627637
Relatable characters, vulnerable yet strong.
Practical effects
Original concepts
Hardcore violence.

My favorites are Robocop 1, Predator 1&2 and Terminator 1

>>83635979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

>According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi, despite having earned $475 million at the box office against a budget of $32.5 million, "has never gone into profit".

>>83636118
> $475 million in 1983
>$1,175,002,049.18

holy fucking shit, and that's without merchandise

>>83636041
>>83636118
Interesting. I'll read about it. If you have any good sources, link 'em

>>83631656
>Imagine
I need this copypasta again

>>83636194
its all jewish number tricks.

>>83627637
demolishman

>hurr predator 2 is better
>die hard 3 is better than 1

exactly 15 posts in and I am DONE with this shitty thread

you contrarian fucks take retardation to a new level

>>83636194
Basically, Hollywood is a literal Jewish Mafia and the worlds biggest Money laundering operation. Many directors and actors are literal spies, several of whom have returned to Israel and publicly gloated about it such as Arnon Milcher.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/arnon-milchan-admits-arms-dealing-658717

The fact that Hollywood is getting taken over Chinks now is a hilarious irony, considering they're the Jews of Asia.

>>83632874
all wrong

>>83633807
>>83635325
and pic related for dessert

>>83627637
Because they couldn't rely solely on >muh cgi to create interest; sometimes they actually wrote halfway decent scripts.

Today it's all reboots and explosion plot vehicles with no real interesting storyline. The only question is "can we make more money than we spent making this movie"' not "is this movie shit?"

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>>83636491
>>83635325
>>83633807
god dammit

>>83636526
according to an interview with Spielberg on a japanese program, there was this "weird" phase where filmmakers got creative control, starting roughly during the 70's (IIRC), and people like him capitalized on that. Action movies benefited from this too, as can be seen ITT. Then studious started micromanaging things in the 00's, and we know the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1Crn34cEg&index=9&list=WL

>>83633807
Underrated OST.

>>83636788
>something happens
>SAX INTENSIFIES

>>83635815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwkbHnPwEYc

Beautiful.

>>83636669
Google 'Heavens Gate' if you want to know exactly when Directors lost creative control

>>83636917
wrong

Who would be the three men in a collaboration like this today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofA3URC1wyk

>>83634362
>Dredd

Ok action movie

>John Wick

Capeshit in a different coat

>>83627637
Because theres all these slack jawed faggots around here. Those movies back then would turn you into a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus just like me.

>>83627637
The actors and directors were masculine and didn't give a fuck

Whereas today they all spend time appealing to leftists and their jewish overlords on twitter

>>83629202
SNAKE EYES

>>83627637
Tbf there are few action films ever as good as universal soldier 4, mad max fury road, kill zone 2, or the raid 2. John wick 2 is as good as hard boiled btw.

>>83629712
Can somebody explain to me why they always insist on putting the names of the actors over the heads of the incorrect one?

>>83637563
maybe it's because civilized ppl read left to right and willis gets top billing

>>83627691
>Implying Die Hard wouldn't be totally ruined dogshit by modern movie makers with the camera shaking everywhere during every action scene

>>83637589
Then why not put Willis on the left I see it quite often it annoys the shit out of me.

>>83628524
Are you shitting me? Danny Glover was awful in it. It somehow manages to be cheesier than the original.

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This is way off topic but I just realized Chris Pine is one of the three nazi brothers in Smokin Aces.

>>83637650
>implying it would end with shakecam

Die Hard made today:

>1h30m runtime
>no slow intro that introduces every important element
>infodump at the beginning
>villain is unironically some kind of terrorist fanatic, has a speech full of clichés
>doesn't get enough screentime, isn't allowed to ham it so the Star is more likeable
>henchmen everywhere, preferably with masks so the hero is more heroic
>CGI blood
>some crappy "it needed to be said" social commentary
>female sidekick
>meta-quips

>>83636619
good morning!

>>83637758
because nobody gives a shit about coordinating the poster with some titles, except for an autist like you

>>83633807
I watched the first one yesterday, are the sequels equally good? rate them please

>>83629712
The bad guy lacked any memorable character. With an Alan Rickman type it would've been a 10/10 kino.

>>83638724
2>1>3>4

>>83627637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et4wdwLPHoI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViwrF2Y4nX8

https://youtu.be/aB-AUTGqUCU

also predator 2 and alien/aliens


my basic bitch favorites

>>83627637
>Why were 80-90's action movies so much better?
No overreliance on CGI made them have to be more creative when it came to try to outdo the previous action films. Now it's just shoot everything in front of a greenscreen and we'll fix it later.
That and fucking shakycam.

>>83638961
right on, thanks man

>>83627637
I have a theory that action movies have gotten a lot less masculine and a lot more shitty over the years due to a combination of 2 reasons.

1. The hyper-cynical and self-aware audiences nowadays who would mock an action star that is too masculine or too violent without it being gritty/edgy. We can't have fun things anymore due to how everyone has to be critical of everything to the point where it just sucks the fun out of everything, I can't see modern audiences genuinely loving a musclebound action hero doing cool action beats as seen in, say, Predator earnestly and would have to like it "ironically", it's just pathetic and has drained a whole generation of masculine icons in their pop culture.

2. Movies are now aimed at targetting a wider audience that isn't just men anymore, if a movie can target women as well, then they will drag their boyfriends to go and see it, where it's not so common the other way around, resulting in a lot of action movies having just conventionally attractive stars in them, and not testosterone loaded heroes. The target of the movies has gone from 90%/10% men/women to 60%/40% men/women, which just leaves everyone unsatisfied.

There's also stuff like abusive CGI, lacking any real stunts, ugly washed-out colour palettes, a reluctance to being over-the-top in a fun and exciting way or even being afraid to have a too masculine lead that prevent action movies from being the same as they used to be, but I think that both audiences and the movie industry have changed for the worse, at least in regards to action movies. I'd love nothing more than to see action movies embrace what makes them great again, but it doesn't look too likely given the trends of movies, I mean, I don't think I'll live to see another Arnie, and that's just sad.

>>83636619
did you know this is based on Henry Hill

>>83627637
Practical effects, sets that werent just a green wall behind the actors and less corporate think tanks holding the directors and screenwriters by the leash

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>>83639700
This, irony is a terrible thing.

The script is always the movie's foundation. Back then, you had no choice but to create a strong script before all the other production wheels began to turn, such as casting, effects and advertising.

Today, the script is secondary according to people who bankroll movies. You need the right casting. You need to appeal to a wider audience based on age, gender and race. You need to have brand recognition.

None of the action movies that come out today except for Fury Road or John Wick have a strong script, so all of the refined casting and special effects are easily forgotten as soon as the next popcorn flick comes out.

All of these action movies in this thread had heart. They put that first. That's why they're great.

>>83638915
Kind of agree, but his main henchman had enough charisma to make up for it, and he was the main physical threat anyway

>>83639700
So are we just pretending John Wick didn't happen?

>>83629712
Fucken underrated movie. Some pretty funny one liners from both leads.

>>83627637
Stories were more simple and the set pieces were more complex.
Also, less CGI.

>>83637563
Names are listed depending on who is first billed. Bruce is the bigger star so his name goes first, basically.

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>>83638724
1 and 2 are about equal to me. Both classics. I like 4 a little better than 3, but they're all really entertaining.

>>83640596
This is an action movie?

>>83640364
It is, I think the self-aware hyper-ironic culture we have has really lead to a lot of bad cultural output.

Look at how much modern art is "self aware" or concerned about "sending a message" or being "ironic" rather than standing as aesthetically pleasing. So much of the critical attitude artforms have nowadays agaisnt "the establishment" are redundant because they themselves are the establishment.

I'm waiting for the day "ironically" bad food comes out so we can laugh about how poorly cooked it is and how it's sending a message to the cooking establishment.

>>83640459
I'm not saying there have been no good action movies recently, there have been a couple and stuff like John Wick is a step in the right direction, but even John Wick isn't in the same vein as, say, Terminator 2, it's not overtly masculine or over-the-top, it just has better choreography and framing than most other contemporary action films. It still has elements I described in my previous post, which was explaining why will probably never have another movie like Commando released again without it being watered down into flavourless garbage or being "ironic".

>>83637923
>>1h30m runtime
What? If anything, action movies nowadays suffer from being bloated and overlong.

>>83640332
kek, ok but it kinda sounded like bait, sry

>>83635458
>that one chick who did the stunts for Theron in Fury Road and got her face degloved

I think it was fury road at least

>>83641845
that was RE Final Chapter man, she got fucked up doing a shitty ass movie

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>>83637650
>>83637923

i'm guessing you guys haven't seen Die Hard 4 and 5