Why would you go on an alien planet without a protective spacesuit

>>83500627
Because nobody was going to pay for all those actors to show up only to have their faces covered.

>>83500627
they do it in star trek, star gate, and buck rogers all the time

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>>83500627
Because writing characters poorly allows the plot to progress easily.

How the fuck can aliens exist that have acid for blood and double jaws?

It's a fucking MOVIE, you overanalytical tool!!!!

Just run with it and enjoy it.

FUCK!!!!

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>>83500684
Prometheus had their whole crew in spacesuits.

>>83500627
I think you expect too much from a hack director like Ridley.

>>83500627
The chances of a non-earth based life form infecting a human is about nil.

The only times we get infected is by close contact with animals for years to allow a crossover.

At worse you would have allergies.

>>83500627
They have the medical technology to basically do anything but resurrect people. (humans don't get that type of tech for a few hundred more years in the alien franchise.) The prospect of dying to an unknown bacteria or fungus is laughable.

And if you hadn't noticed these people WERE professional planet explorers. This wasn't their first planet, you can tell by the way they acted landing on an unknown planet was routine for them. No one had ever run into an alien super weapon before. You can't really blame them.

>>83500627
Nobody wants to see how something like this would actually pan out with competent and trained astronauts who would of gotten out of there safely because of extensive training. Audiences want to see a bunch of gun toting, quipping, emotionally unstable idiots get wrecked by a space monster.

The better question is why the fuck did EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the ship besides the pilots go looking after a distress beacon?

>>83500627
In the first film with a mostly lifeless planet they could probably get away with it.

On a lush green planet there would be no escaping alien micro organisms. It would be incredibly dangerous.

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Just finished watching, WTF i hate Wagner now!

>>83500879
No anon, it wouldn't.

You do not get viral/bacterial infections from fungi or plants.

You get them from Apes, Moneys, Cows, Pigs, and on rare occasions, birds.

Alien life would be so unlike earth life that the chances of it being able to infect someone is remote as hell in real life.
>>83500837
Some where doing biology samples or other work.

>>83500822
>They have the medical technology to basically do anything but resurrect people

How does that fight back alien life that could make the crew sick? I doubt they would have medical technology to fight back an alien disease, let alone an aggressive parasite like the Xenomorph.

>And if you hadn't noticed these people WERE professional planet explorers

Wrong, they were in sleep mode for most of the journey with a set trajectory for a set habitable planet. Exploring planets is risky like the crew pointed out. They wouldn't be stopping at planets like a road trip and put their mission at stake. Also why explore a planet when they could probably send something to stake it out.

>>83500768
How many non earth based life forms have you tested this on?

>>83500879
>alien micro organisms
>incredibly dangerous
Spot the brainlet guys.

>>83500879
Just going from one continent to another here on earth is enough to fuck some people up. Daniels being a terraform specialist of all fucking people should know the idiosyncrasies of what makes our atmosphere livable. She even mentions the fact that it's a blind jump and there's been zero simulation done. They just trust the onboard computer and run headlong out into a fucking alien world.

>>83500768
How do you know this? Space is vast with millions of potential habitable planets with alien bacteria/viruses. How do you disregard limitless possibilities such as space exploration. Are you fucking twelve? Take a page from history with smallpox you dumb faggot. Our immune systems couldn't fight off something we aren't accustomed to.

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>"Even a monkey stood upright at some point"

What a totally convincing top tier argument for an AI misanthrope there lmao

God the writing and the whole kino itself were pretty garbage

And the david ""reveal""" at the end? That one was way too fucking predictable, i called this the moment they showed the real david reaching for the knife and uttering the "Serve in heaven or preside over hell" or whatever that was.. It was obvious he wud kill the real walther and cut off his own arm to pass as walther at that point kek

>>83500971
Just look at sources of viral or bacterial infection.

It almost always closely related animals - such as measles (Cows), HIV (Monkeys/apes) the Flu (Pigs). Virus/parasites/bacteria that evolved to infect say, Fungi or plants will not have the ability to infect humans outside of very rare cases.

>>83500991
Better wear a space suit next time you go to Africa, there might be dangerous alien micro-organisms rite?
Fucking brainlet.

>>83501065
Because it's not like people take fucktons of inoculations before they go to a foreign country you massive fucking nigger.

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>>83501050
>Space is vast with millions of potential habitable planets with alien bacteria/viruses
>alien bacteria/viruses
CRINGE.
You probably also believe there are alien niggerse waiting to infect people with alien ebola. Read a fucking biology book retard lmfao.

>>83501050
Where do you think Smallpox came from - It came from our contact with cattle which are not that far from us.

>>83501099
Yeah let me just get a vaccine against that alien AIDS virus that surely lurks in the trunk of this tree m8.

>>83501065
You do know their are diseases in other parts of the world that your immune system isn't used to right? That's why you get vaccinated for multiple things before going to other countries/continents and even that has a 50/50 chance of working.

Alien """"bacteria"""" would be incompatble with humans anyway. And I assume their scanners showed the atmosphere as breathable. Still dumb as fuck though. Ridley Scott is a hack and needs to stop making movies as soon as possible.

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>>83501107
So you don't believe their habitable planets with alien life in ALL of space?? You do know that kind of thinking isn't just subjected to science fiction right?

>>83501107
>>83501168
Yep, the only danger would be if something was producing a toxin, but barring a few specific types of nerve toxins they are easy enough to detect.

>>83501057
Doesn't Walter heal?

Why didn't he heal back his hand?

>>83501057
David was this weird mix of a Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain, and a sexy gay robot whose embryo I want to host in my chest cavity.

>>83501115
Which got transferred to natives that had zero contact with Europeans.

>>83501198
Well there's at least one habitable planet in all of space.
>>83501218
Whatever synthetics they use to "heal" him got fucked up by the acid blood.

>>83501209
How do you know this? Have you traveled all of space?

>>83501218
>>83501218
More importantly how could a fucking android grow organic human hair folicles over the years and sport longass kurt cobian-style hair

>>83501271
They're made with the same artificial skin as the T800

>>83501198
>So you don't believe their habitable planets with alien life in ALL of space?? You do know that kind of thinking isn't just subjected to science fiction right?
You are missing the fucking point.

Lets say you have a virus like say, the Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV). It can infect Tobacco, and also related plants in Solanaceae. It rarely can infect other plants outside of Solanaceae.

However it cannot infect humans as there is far too much difference between Solanaceae and Humans.

For a virus to be able to infect us it would been to already have a host that is at least somewhat like us, and then be given time to do a crossover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-species_transmission

Its basic College level biology.

>>83501198
I do. I just actually know science and thus don't have an anthropocentric/terra-centric teleological view of how life on other planets might be.

>>83501269
I taken basic biology courses and my wife is a Epidemiologist.

Cross species transmission takes both a lot of time, and hosts that are more alike then un-alike.

>>83501383
Thats not even the point really. Viruses and bacteria might only exist on earth. Alien life might not even consist of cells or even carbon.

>>83501467
That's true, but for a colony mission you know for a fact they have the equipment specifically to be used for the initial stages of exploring the new planet.
>Why would they wear them if it's virtually impossible
Because that's what you do, man. Any risk you can mitigate, you do. Especially with that precious a cargo and how vital your success is to the human race.

>>83501467
Then the chances of it being able to infect us is even more remote.

As I said, the worry would be toxins, but outside of Organophosphates they are easy to detect (Organophosphate can be very toxic in minute amounts, so they are a pain to detect.

>>83501574
Yeah I agree with your point that no one is getting infected, I just disagreed with your reasoning

>>83500684
They had faces covered in the original alien.

This is why nerds make poor film critics.

lol @ this whole thread

no exploration of the themes. no comments on the characters and their motivations. no looking back on prometheus and tying the two films together. no exploration of the mythological references. just meticulous nerdsperging over technical details and "realism"

>>83500627
The Ship Scanners Revealed That The Atmosphere Consisted Solely Of Braps And They Wanted To Become In One With The Braposphere

>>83501752
Fuck off Ridley, you fucking worthless flick cuck

>>83500968
That line of reasoning doesn't apply when Engineers are the ones that seed life on other planets, and getting similar results like the wheat they found being comparable to Earth's.

>>83501695
For only like 20 minutes of the movie, and those suits where famous as they had actors and kids passing out all the time in them.

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>>83501752
David is a literal God complex trope. How brave and thought provoking. The only remotely interesting thing he did was nuking the engineers for accidentally killing his waifu

>>83501695
Because the atmosphere was unbreathable. Nobody gave a shit about "muhh alien ebola".
Just look at Aliens. Nobody is wearing a fucking suit.
>>83501752
This is 2017. Do you think the retards watching movies nowadays actually understand any of that?
>"HURR WHY NO SPACE SUITS? IT'S OK IF ALIENS, STAR TREK, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY DO IT BUT IF ALIEN COVENANT DOES IT IT'S REALLY DUMB, MOM PLEASE MAKE ME SOME MORE HOT POCKETS IM BUSY DEBATING ON THE INTERNET"

Ridley made an artistic movie and nobody is getting it.

>>83501871
>Just look at Aliens.
They landed on a fucking established colony you god damn bozo

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>>83500627
ridley is a fucking hack
>spacesuits
they wore spacesuits in the previous movie and acted like a bunch of idiots and died because ridley is a

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>>83501918
>established colony
>the entire colony has stopped responding
That actually screams alien ebola outbreak more than anything. But go on, keep trying to rationalize how Alien and Aliens are perfect movie and Alien Covenant is le stupid movie XD.

>>83501969
>people died because they fucked around and took their suits off in Prometheus and people complained it was a stupid thing for the characters to do
>In Covenant they just never put them on, that'll show hose damn nitpicking nerds!

>>83501836
>accidentally killing his waifu
I thought David killed her.

>>83501871
>HURR WHY NO SPACE SUITS? IT'S OK IF ALIENS, STAR TREK, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY DO IT BUT IF ALIEN COVENANT DOES IT IT'S REALLY DUMB

Expectations for Alien movies are different because the groundwork laid in the original movie showed that the writers at least somewhat cared about the Sci in Sci-fi, like how they depicted cryo-sleep for long space travel.

But that kind of world building wasn't really necessary if all they were doing was a dumb slasher flick in space, they could have cut out cryo-sleep and the plot would have been the same.

>>83502029
>lets go to an alien planet without PPE and stomp on all the fucking fungus we can find!

>>83500627
I can see WHY they didn't have suits to begin with. They were on a mission to colonize a planet wich (we are led to believe) they knew was safe in every way.

What doesn't make sense is that they would set foot on a planet that they knew nothing about except that it has breathable air. Just fucking have them wear respirators for like 15 minutes until some future device tells them they can remove it because there aren't any spores/bacteria in the air or whatever. Hell respirators look cool, so why not?

>>83501383
Viruses play by their own rules because they make use of their host's DNA. Alien microorganisms pose a huge threat to space explorers. There's a reason why even when NASA sent men to the moon they quarantined them back on earth.

>>83502069
Honestly. a thirty second shot of an RPV going outside the ship and doing a quick scan and saying they're good to go could have solved this issue that triggers so many people.

>>83502047
They aren't just exploring or working in space they are colonist. They have to live on the planet and they can't hide in their space suits forever. Besides they have advanced AI and considering how our very weak AI is already outperforming doctors in some applications I can see how they would be confident in their technology.

>>83502121
Lol'd.

>>83502121
>Viruses play by their own rules because they make use of their host's DNA
you never taking a biology course have you?

Can I just jump in and say, even if alien bacterial or viral infections may be remote. The fauna of the planet was Identical of earth and they had no direct proof of the non existent of animal life or micro organisms in the short time they were there. So no way to know if there weren't earth like bacteria or whatever that had evolved differently on that plant that could infect and harm humans. Space suit or hazard suits seems like an obvious must for this type of crew.

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>>83501836
>using "trope" as a criticism

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Man, having Daniels spell out exactly why they shouldn't do it just for captain fuckface to do it anyway shines a nice spotlight how few fucks Ridley gives these days. And what was her reward for being the only not retarded character for the whole movie? She gets fucked over in cryosleep by David.

>>83502228
It's a fucking movie you millenial retard. Maybe they didn't have the fucking money to put 14 people in safe suits.
Learn how to abstract, analyze and interpret things that aren't spoonfed to you every fucking step of the way.

>>83502220
Are you telling me that viruses don't take over their hosr cell's mechanisms for replicating DNA to make copies of themselves.

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>>83500627
>why would "smart" characters do something really really dumb?

They wouldn't. It's bad writing. You know what really happens when you go out to a habitable planet with no space suit....YOU FUCKING DIE.

>step off space ship
>take a deep breath
>"seems okay"
>get sick within a few minutes
>start bleeding from every orifice
>"OHH NOO! but why?"
>"OHH SHIT! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT BACTERIUM AND GERMS AND VIRUSES AND SHIT!"
>"MY BODY HAS NO IMMUNITY OR IDEA HOW TO HANDLE SPACE GERMS! FUCKKKKK!"
>"I DEAD NOW"

Most people won't even set food in 3rd world countries without taking injections to prevent the known illnesses, but you gonna go to an alien planet all carefree? FUCKING DUMB! At least put a monkey or small mammal out their first. And have a robot take some fucking samples for germs! FOR FUCK SAKE!

>>83502228
They did a scan and sent Walter out first in the novelization.

>>83502375
>make sure your quarantine the sick guy in the same room as the lead physician!

>>83502367
I am referring to your "They play by there own rules" when cross species transmission of viruses is a well studied item.

I could understand if the question was "after finding wheat why didn't they head back to get on biohazard suits" but that not what anons have been asking.

>>83502367
Please educate yourself my friend.
>>83502375
You are being retarded buddy. Please read the rest of the thread instead of simply regurgating somebody else's opinion you copy pasted on /reddit/.

>>83500768
What the fuck are you smoking!?

There are plenty of parasites on this planet that can easily infect humans and fuck them up in hundreds of ways.

Alongside with numerous viruses and diseases found thoughout the world.

>>83502365
Yes nigger we all realise it's just a movie. But considering the fact that infection was the only reason shit got fucked up to begin with makes the no space suit seems pretty retarded considering it's standard procedure in real life space fairing. And people are getting too smart and too tired of Hollywood and their lazy ass writing.

>>83502466
>dying from virus and bacteria is UNBELIEVABLE! IT NEVER HAPPENS!

You're too dumb to talk to

>>83502036
>killing her then spawning an living work of art from her corpse as her dynamic gravestone isn't the highest form of love possible
and you wonder why humans are trying to colonize the cosmos.

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>>83500768

>>83502491
okay, I will repeat this slowly.

Yes, there are parasites that infect humans, most have evolved to infect humans directly, or humans and other high level mammals like cattle and pigs.

every few years, a virus does jump from another species into humans. To do so requires two things.

>A native host that is like humans.
>A fair bit of time and contact between the host and humans.

A away mission to a alien world is not going to provide the time or organisms needed to allow for a cross species transfer. It is simple, Freshman level biology.

>>83502555
Pretty sure standard procedure in space-faring includes not bringing in your crew mate infected with an alien organism because "he's gunna die bro".
But Alien is still le smart and le horrifying while AC is le senile hack XD rite.

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>>83502634
>No need to fear, these lions have never seen humans! SO THEY WON'T EAT US! THE LIONS NEED TIME TO FIGURE IT OUT!

No way in hell you took biology in college.

>>83502627
Look anon.

For example, HIV comes from Primates, species that are very close to us. Thus it was able to transfer over to us and cause infections.

A virus that infects frogs for example is going to have a very low chance to infect humans.

A alien species is going to be much more distant then a frog.

There's literally no reason to wear a space suit if the air is breathable. Alien bacteria / viruses can't interface with human physiology.

>>83500627
the producers were too cheap to afford new space suits

>>83502712
Probably one of the dumbest straw-men I've seen today. Would've probably believed this to be a troll a couple of years ago, but since the majority of nu-4chan users are retarded millenials that came for le dank memes XD and pepe the frog :^) praise kek XD I have to consider the very real possibility that you simply might be cognitively impaired.

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>>83502736
>don't worry guys....the alien viruses won't know how to kill us...trust me. It will be ok....take off the space-suit

>>83500627
Same thing happened in Aliens.

Why are you so people so stupid?

>>83502712
Pretending to be retarded is still being retarded anon.

Zoonosis is very rare, and opening a textbook would explain it to you.

But you seem to miss that lecture. Have a great day.

>>83502788
>something wonderwoman something le feminism something le patriarchy

Get bent DKEK

>>83501065

Damn you one dumb nigga,nigga.

>>83502788
Sad but true that it not a troll but just someone who really is that dumb

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>>83502829
>take off the space-suit
>go put your face up to the alien goo
>Trust me, I'm an expert. I took biology 101 in college

You're the reason the people always die in these movies.

>>83502634
Basically true.

A Virus and Fungus infection would be out of the question. Becteria MIGHT have a chance to infect a crew member if:

No one cleans anything ever
The Bacteria's natural environment is similar to the humans
The Bacteria is some how able to overcome the alien human biosphere
The Bacteria is able to overcome the alien human immune system
The Bacteria is able to overcome other Native Human Bacteria
all of this is possible for Bacteria to do. But it would take a shit load of time and an fairly dirty environment.

>>83502006
>That actually screams alien ebola outbreak more than anything.

It does?

underagers here are getting out of control.

>>83502152

But its not even the planet they are colonizing. Its a completely unknown planet to them, ffs.

>>83501065
>implying foreigners don't get sick from germs and viruses in Africa
>implying they don't suggest you get a bunch of shots for known pathogens before you go

You're fucking brain-dead

>>83502939
Yep, but the crew seemed to have a clean ship, so I wasn't really thinking of Bacteria.

>>83502827

um, the idiots in aliens were tricked into going to the spaceship by whats-his-name, they didn't wear helmets cause they were teraforming(well mostly just generating oxygen somehow) the planet for ~20 years. They didn't just land on the fucking thing.

God these threads are so fucking retarded. Do you really need a 2 minute scene where characters say they're testing the atmosphere and no pathogens are present? Even if they were wearing suits, Ridley could have just had the spore things enter the suit on a molecular level or something.

The people who use this as if its legitimate criticism of a sci-fi film are the definition of brainlets.

And a reminder they didn't wear suits in Aliens when they knew there was a chance the whole population of that planet mysteriously died, but you hypocritical autists act like that movie is flawless.

>>83502972
>comparing pathogens that co-evolved with humans from Earth's RNA/DNA lineage to completely foreign bodies that evolved separately

you're legit retarded lmao

>>83500692

Its just this. They can have them wear suits and still get infected, but at least it would be more immersive and you'd stop telling yourself that this isn't how space explorers in the future would do shit.

>>83503113
>character trips and falls, breaking their helmet

It's that easy.

>>83503086
>Do you really need a 2 minute scene where characters say they're testing the atmosphere and no pathogens are present?

Did we really need a 2 minute scenes of the space crew in Alien waking up from deep sleep?

The defense of this movie by fanboys is fucking shocking.

>>83503185
>2 minute scenes of the space crew in Alien waking up from deep sleep?
At least crews waking up is fun to watch unlike "Sensors so no pathogens, woo hoo, let me add some star trek technobable.

and this comes from someone who thinks it a very flawed movie. But it has nothing to do with "Muh spacesuits"

>>83503185
...yes. Yes we did. Do you know how movies work, anon?

>>83503273
>...yes. Yes we did. Do you know how movies work, anon?

I was being sarcastic. We could have used an atmosphere sweeping/test scene in Covenant.

>>83503185
Wow. Compelling stuff, anon.

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>>83503303
oh, right. im retarded. I'll show myself out.

>>83503185
You have the cognitive capacity of a toddler

IT'S SCI-FI. I assume you're a fidget spinning millennial if this is the hill you're going to die on, where every single irrelevant point has to be explained directly to you. The whole point of Alien is that it builds a realistic atmosphere, and part of that is showing the crew in a unique, vulnerable moment like that.

this based >>83503245 anon says it all. Use your fucking head dude.

>>83500739
And if you look at the picture you posted they aren't covering their faces

>>83503359
>IT'S SCI-FI. I assume you're a fidget spinning millennial if this is the hill you're going to die on, where every single irrelevant point has to be explained directly to you.

I'm older than you are. I grew up with Star Trek TNG where they wouldn't just go down to unknown planets without checking the atmosphere. I grew up watching movies like Alien where they put on space suits for fear of the unknown.

You're the instagram generation faggot who is just all "YOLO WHO CARES THAT THEY DON'T WEAR SPACESUITS, WHERE'S THE CGI ALIEN!"

>The whole point of Alien is that it builds a realistic atmosphere, and part of that is showing the crew in a unique, vulnerable moment like that.
Yes, REALISTIC, VULNERABLE. Just walking onto an unknown planet without scanning or suits is not realistic or vulnerable.

You're defending a movie that bombed critically and financially (as most retarded fanboys tend to do).

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>>83503359
What we needed in this film is 20 more minutes.

Not of spacesuits or scans.

But of actually getting to know the folks so I care for them when they die.

>>83503359
>IT'S SCI-FI.

aliens is not sci-fi, it doesn't explore anything about science, technology or its impact on humanity

aliens is a horror movie set in the future

fucking retarded plebs lmao

>>83503486

Can't we also have them make good decisions but still get fucked cause the enemy is that much better at the fucking-you-up game than the humans are prepared for.

>>83503445
>I grew up watching movies like Alien where they put on space suits for fear of the unknown.
It sure shows. Right when Kane goes "sup niggas there's biological life in this egg" and sticks his head right into it, definitely fear of the unknown, or when Dallas and Lambert are like "come on let us in our nigga Kane got space-raped guize".
FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN AMIRITE.

The core of Alien isn't realism, which you would know if you weren't a nostalgic faggot looking at Alien with rose-tinted glasses. It's a biomechanical fever dream. It's a Giger-esque nightmare brought to film.
This is what Alien Covenant is too, except the harsh biomechanical theme is switched out with a more soft biological horrible birth theme.
You fucking scrub.

>>83503445
>unknown planet without scanning
Anon, you might of not paid attention, but they did long range and close range scans, including establishing the plasma storms and other issues.

But I guess it has to be spoonfed to you.
>>83503538
fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.

It a imagined future in space. That by definition is science fiction anon.

>>83503564
The only poor judgement where by a guy who was established as a failure.

>>83503569
>It sure shows. Right when Kane goes "sup niggas there's biological life in this egg" and sticks his head right into it, definitely fear of the unknown,

You sound like a retard. You think humans are incapable of split second mistakes in moments of curiosity. Dude barely peaked his head in and the face hugger lunged at him.

>or when Dallas and Lambert are like "come on let us in our nigga Kane got space-raped guize".
FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN AMIRITE.
They were concerned for their shipmate and were breaking protocol.

You literally don't have the optics to understand a film and how characters are humans with flaws.

>The core of Alien isn't realism, which you would know if you weren't a nostalgic faggot looking at Alien with rose-tinted glasses.
When did I saw it was about realism? That doesn't mean it shouldn't have realistic scenes that add to the overall intelligence of the film and it's characters. You sound like an instagrambabby who is mad that his new films aren't as good as the ones you missed out on.

>This is what Alien Covenant is too, except the harsh biomechanical theme is switched out with a more soft biological horrible birth theme.
Comparing Alien Covenant to Alien? Go home pleb.

>>83503486
It did seem like the front half of the movie was pretty empty and all the exposition was relegated to maybe five minutes. That was one thing ALIEN did well, making the ship and it's crew seem like a real hunk of metal being run by a real crew. This group was given a cursory glance and then dumped on the planet. Fucking AVP had more character focus.

>>83503569
What exactly was horror to you about Covenant? It had some gore but other than that? There was no tension at all.

>>83503094
You are the reason they die. Good job.

>>83503688
>You sound like a retard. You think humans are incapable of split second mistakes in moments of curiosity.
It is no less reasonable that the crew didn't want to go into hypersleep after Franco got crispy, or that the captain wanted to figure out what the fuck David was up to then Kane looking into the egg after it opened.

>>83503445
They only wore suits in the original because the air wasn't breathable,and it was the same fucking thing in prometheus. Of course, because you pick and choose what you want to defend, they didn't wear them in Aliens, a planet where literally everybody mysteriously died, which you didn't address.

The day they make movies for viewers like you, I'll stop watching. I don't give a fuck about irrelevant scans and if that's what you want to see, then just keep rewatching Star Trek.

You're seriously bringing up box office numbers in a discussion of quality? My fucking god dude. Not to mention it has like a 70+% on RT. Take off the nostalgia goggles. Covenant isn't perfect but it has nothing to do with spacesuits.

And since you want to bring up popular opinion arguments, take note on how much you've been BTFO in this thread
>>83503245
>>83503306
>>83503486
>>83503569

Maybe you're the one who's out of touch?

>>83500768
Huh, I think even Neil Armstrong managed to track moon dust on his boots when he entered the spacecraft, everyone got a version of hayfever

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>>83503704
>There was no tension at all.
There was good tension till David showed up, then it became the david story which while being the best part of the film, did take out the tension of the film.

But we both agree that the film lacked both what Alien and Aliens had - it had you get to know the folks that were going to die in awful ways so you gave a flip.

I only cared about 4 folks and one robot in the crew of over a dozen, 2 of those survived, one died as he was freaking doomed, and the other one died too soon in a self inflicted explosion.

>>83503569

>Kane has a suit that is made to withstand harsh conditions, in short protection, so he does not know that the fucking thing can just melt it.
>The one that lets them in is Ash that wants the alien on board
>Parker wamted to freeze Kane, but Ash stop that idea too, guess why
>Parker was gonna stab the chestburster with a fork, gets stopped again cause there wouldn't be a movie, or maybe its because Ash has his reasons to stop him,also acid blood but they have to kill it anyway so who cares.

Its the little details that make the movie so good. Its all these little details that are completely missing in Covenant that make it just another alien movie, no better than resurrection.

>>83503538
You don't know what sci-fi means

>le bad guys win again

So fucking suck of this shitty trend

I just got out the theater and i thought the movie was great until the end

>>83500692

They could have easily written it so the alien dust gets into their suit (or ship) somehow due to cross contamination.

They just doubled down on the retards removing their helmets in Prometheus.

>>83503830
>the other one died too soon in a self inflicted explosion.
an unfortunately hilarious scene too

>>83503688
>They were concerned for their shipmate and were breaking protocol

How many tissues did you use wiping off the sweat on your brow while typing this, you fat fuck?
It's still fucking dumb, but it's a fucking MOVIE so we don't autistically whine about it, but since AC doesn't have the same classic movie status it's much easier to tear it apart.

>>83503784
>They only wore suits in the original because the air wasn't breathable,and it was the same fucking thing in prometheus.

In Prometheus they took their helmets off. Just because air is breathable doesn't mean there isn't microscopic bacteria in their air that your sensors can't detect.

>they didn't wear them in Aliens, a planet where literally everybody mysteriously died,
Are you stupid? The colony was on that planet for years and then then the company lost contact with them.

>The day they make movies for viewers like you, I'll stop watching.
Yeah, movies like Alien, the even numbered Star Treks, Star Trek TNG, 2001 A Space Odyssey, etc. Stick to Alien Covenant and Interstellar, jr.

>You're seriously bringing up box office numbers in a discussion of quality?
Cream tends to rise.

>Not to mention it has like a 70+% on RT.
So box office to you is irrelevant, but the RT score is relevant? Holy shit.

>Take off the nostalgia goggles. Covenant isn't perfect but it has nothing to do with spacesuits.
No nostalgia goggles. Alien is great, Covenant is shit. You're just an instagrambabby who needs his new stuff to be good.

>And since you want to bring up popular opinion arguments, take note on how much you've been BTFO in this thread
All of those are useless replies.

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>>83503886
I know I am a minority, but I enjoyed the slapstick stuff.

>>83500768

You have no idea what you're talking about. And for one thing, viruses are not even considered life, or on the edge of life.

If life exists on other planets (like motherfucking wheat for example), then you think bacteria, viruses, and fungi are out of the picture?

Ergot fungi grows on grasses, cereal grains, sorghum, rye, wheat, barley, and oats.

Unicellular life evolves from multicellular life. Plus, the whole plot with the Engineers is that they use their own DNA to seed life on other planets.

>>83503920

Your generation is so fucked. You don't understand that in a real life situation humans with flaws make mistakes and stupid decisions.

Movies and tv shows nowadays are so sterile because instagrambabbys like you can't grasp basic human characteristics. Practically every film genre has devolved into the lowest common denominatpor and retards like you defend it. (all the the while ripping apart classic films)

>>83500837

The better question is why risk a colony ship to rescue some away mission and risk infecting the rest of the colony ship.

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>>83503931
No one gives a fuck about your autism "Muh spacesuits" when there was no reason for them to wear it after they did scans that showed a breathable atmosphere that didn't show any issues with bio-hazards.

The facts like not knowing the crew before they died, pacing issues after david showing up, that the David/Walt twist was seen a mile away is much bigger issues

>>83502634
You're really dumb. It's not bacteria and viruses that are the worry, it's any harmful particulate. Asbestos isn't harmful because it evolved around humans.

>>83500968
>You do not get viral/bacterial infections from fungi or plants.

Oh really? Anthrax doesn't exist in soil where plants grow?

Even plants and fungi have immune systems to deal with viruses and bacteria.

You're an idiot if you life alien microorganisms have a "remote" chance of infecting humans.

>>83503831

This is because at the time Alien was made Hollywood didn't yet manage to perfect the blockbuster formula so the way the story is told is a bit unique.
Notice how the focus in the first act is not on any single member of the crew, but you're following them all around, adding to the documentary feel of the whole thing. It's like following a crew of an oil rig or a submarine.
Only after shit hits the fan Ripley emerges as a true protagonist and only because everyone else is getting killed off and she's making all the right moves. It all feels organic and nothing about it is forced.

Meanwhile in Covenant everything is so blandly predictable that they even managed to push character development into some sort of fucking web featurettes so no time is wasted in the movie on boring shit and we get to see "cool stuff" faster.
Literally everything in the movie is just off some studio checklist.
The most insulting though though is that the crew (and David) visit a whole alien city and there's is not a single thing in it that is memorable.
It's literally some generic "big walls, big doors, big statues" location and depending on who you go by this is supposed to be the home planet of the Engineers.

>>83503942
No dude, the movie was 1 yakety sax track away from being the dark comedy of the century

>>83504060
>No one gives a fuck about your autism "Muh spacesuits"

It's that kind of attention to detail that my generation appreciates (and what made Alien a great film). You just want a movie where they go to a planet with machine guns and start shooting at the xenos.

> when there was no reason for them to wear it after they did scans that showed a breathable atmosphere that didn't show any issues with bio-hazards.
Dude, if there's an UNKNOWN PARASITE on an UNKNOWN PLANET, odds are the sensors wouldn't be able to detect it.

>The facts like not knowing the crew before they died, pacing issues after david showing up, that the David/Walt twist was seen a mile away is much bigger issues
Characters doing stupid things and unrealistic writing helps.

>>83500970
>Also why explore a planet when they could probably send something to stake it out.

Yeah these people have never heard of robot rovers? Even sending Walter alone to check out the signal?

>>83500715
You have acid in your body and moray eels have a second jaw

>>83504034
That is easy enough - in the naval tradition you are forced to give aid even if it fucks up your plans. Work on a ship that lost millions of dollars as we spent a week looking for a lost sailboat and missed our deadline to port due to it. It is what you do. Even if you put yourself or crew in danger to do so. Only when you know you cannot rescue them without a good chance of you yourself needing rescue do you get a pass.

>>83504091
Asbestoes are not alive, and are easily detected, as are all fibers of that size.

>>83500979

Moron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_contamination
>There are two types of interplanetary contamination:
>Forward contamination is the transfer of life and other forms of contamination from Earth to another celestial body.
>Back contamination is the introduction of extraterrestrial organisms and other forms of contamination into Earth's biosphere. It also covers infection of humans and human habitats in space and on other celestial bodies by extraterrestrial organisms, if such habitats exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
>Planetary protection is a guiding principle in the design of an interplanetary mission, aiming to prevent biological contamination of both the target celestial body and the Earth in the case of sample-return missions.

>The Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) meets every two years, in a gathering of 2000 to 3000 scientists,[13] and one of its tasks is to develop recommendations for avoiding interplanetary contamination. Its legal basis is Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty.

>>83503931
>In Prometheus they took their helmets off. Just because air is breathable doesn't mean there isn't microscopic bacteria in their air that your sensors can't detect.
This par tin the temple was always stupid, but we aren't discussing Prometheus. point was they wore them in the first place because air outside the temple wasn't breathable.

>Are you stupid? The colony was on that planet for years and then then the company lost contact with them.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THY WEREN'T KILLED BY A PATHOGEN. If anything it's more unforgivable since they knew there was a chance hundreds of colonists had mysteriously died.

>So box office to you is irrelevant, but the RT score is relevant? Holy shit.
YOU brought up critical reception, and I was pointing out how you were wrong.

>No nostalgia goggles. Alien is great, Covenant is shit. You're just an instagrambabby who needs his new stuff to be good.
Yeah, Alien is great, but it isn't because they wore fucking spacesuits for 10 minutes. And for what it's worth, I don't have instagram since you seem so obsess about that.

>All of those are useless replies.
>"I don't agree so they're useless"
very compelling

fuck off, sorry you can't appreciate true Ridley kino

>>83504095
>Anthrax doesn't exist in soil where plants grow?
Anthrax does not infect fungi or plants. It infects sheep. and also can infect humans.

>>83504001
FYI Alien is my favorite movie, but unlike you I'm not a fat fuck who can't go one minute without stuffing himself with hot pockets and who can't critically view and analyze movies, even the ones that he loves.
I guess when you're part of a generation that's being force-fed capeshit you lose that ability.
Stay mad, kid.

>>83500968
>Alien life would be so unlike earth life that the chances of it being able to infect someone is remote as hell in real life.

The movie is not real life.

>>83501065

You should. Countless Europeans have died in Africa from malaria, HIV, Ebola, etc.

>>83504143
>my generation
I most likely older then you. So do not pull this "Muh Generation"

>>83504143
>my generation

you aren't special dude. being 10 years older doesn't make you some auteur. step back into reality.

>>83501168

Based on what? If it's based on DNA or RNA, how can you discount 100% of alien bacteria as being a risk?

And all this ignores the plot point of the movie that David engineered this shit. There was wheat on the planet, and they were getting transmissions of a fucking John Denver song.

>>83504291
Indeed, but I am pointing out that barring some sort of toxin or other well known harmful substance being detected ("Totally normal, except the air has a lot of Chrysotile fibers in the air.) they would not need to go with spacesuits or biohazard suits.

Do the people who make these threads get mad that they don't war spacesuits in Star Wars?

>>83501752
this anon basically says it all. you fucks don't know how to watch films.

>>83501209

So flesh-eating bacteria and brain-eating amoebas aren't dangerous?

Every fucktard that knows nothing about infectious diseases probably has HPV right now.

>>83504217
Yes they are not alive, and pray tell where you are pulling that info about being detectable from outside the planet from?

>>83504238
>This par tin the temple was always stupid, but we aren't discussing Prometheus. point was they wore them in the first place because air outside the temple wasn't breathable.

You brought up Prometheus. I'm showing that that film is just as stupid as Covenant.

>HOW DO YOU KNOW THY WEREN'T KILLED BY A PATHOGEN
They were their for years... Odds are they didn't numerous attuned their scanning to look for pathogens, etc on the planet. Also, they were the colony was a giant complex that had air filtering, etc and they always went out IN SPACE SUITS. These attention to details kill your argument. And if they were dying from pathogens, odds are someone would have gotten off a communication to the company.

>Yeah, Alien is great, but it isn't because they wore fucking spacesuits for 10 minutes.
No, but if they ignored those little details, it wouldn't have been as great, or revered. People REWATCH movies for little details.

>And for what it's worth, I don't have instagram since you seem so obsess about that.
You're an underrage faggot that says Alien is only good because of "nostaglia goggles" and you don't have instagram? Yeah, I believe that.

>fuck off, sorry you can't appreciate true Ridley kino
I do. I like Alien. You think Covenant is some masterpiece like the instagrambabby you are.

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>>83500768
>>83502634
This is patented bullshit. The reason certain microbes are a threat to humans is precisely because they haven't properly adapted to human hosts like the millions of bacteria that have had time to form a symbiotic ecosystem within the body.

The aim of all life is to survive and you don't survive by killing your host if there's a way for you to help keep it alive and healthy, hence why we have useful microbes in our bodies.

>>83500627
Some strong autism right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsi6qJOrPWA

>>83504473
>you don't survive by killing your host
Once it's able to propagate it will.

>>83504111
>The most insulting though though is that the crew (and David) visit a whole alien city and there's is not a single thing in it that is memorable.
>It's literally some generic "big walls, big doors, big statues" location and depending on who you go by this is supposed to be the home planet of the Engineers.
Fucking this. The entire sequence in the engineer city could have played out inside of an engineer space ship and it could have worked. I like the design of the engineer in prometheus, but i've always had the feeling that neither movies should have shown the engineers at all. Just show that they've built shit and they were an advanced race and leave it at that.

>>83504270
>FYI Alien is my favorite movie, but unlike you I'm not a fat fuck who can't go one minute without stuffing himself with hot pockets and who can't critically view and analyze movies, even the ones that he loves.

"herr do you appreciate the attention to detail in movies so you must be fat!" Christ bro, get it together.

Appreciating the details of a film is a good thing (at least it used to be). Nowadays your generation just wants le action with nothing else in between.

>I guess when you're part of a generation that's being force-fed capeshit you lose that ability.
So, you think I've been force fed capeshit AND I have an attention to film details? That's not possible. You're the instagrambabby that grew up on Harry Potter shit and Iron Man 2.

>>83504464
I literally said Alien is great. It was in my post. Can you read? The rest of your post is so retarded it's not worth a response.

>>83504429
No because star wars has no pretense at immersion or even vague realism. You are the brainlet who is happy with lazy sloppy writing, fuck off back to franchises like StarbWars if you are that brain dead

>>83504305
>I most likely older then you. So do not pull this "Muh Generation"

I was born in 80, u?

>>83501383

And the Engineers, in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are known for seeding life on various planets. And you would think when they heard a John Denver song and spotted wheat on the planet and all the trees that they would realize they had already found alien life.

And fungi, like Ergot fungi, can infect wheat, and also people.

You're honestly defending the retards who practice no quarantine procedures in retarded movies for retards like Prometheus, Life, and Alien: Covenant.

A virus uses a cell to replicate. Yes, not all viruses can use every cell, but why take the risk? The risk outweighs the retard.

But viruses are not the only risk. There are viruses, bacteria, fungi, toxic elements, toxic molecules, radiation, all kinds of deadly risks to human life, which is why life support systems exist, and why quarantine procedures exist.

>>83504547
>I literally said Alien is great. It was in my post. Can you read? The rest of your post is so retarded it's not worth a response.

When did I say you didn't say it was great? I said you were throwing around the "nostalgia googles" line.

And how can you think Alien is great (with all it's attention to detail and characterization) and think Convenant is great despite having none of this? Let me guess, Covenant got a bunch of "likes" and now you like it as well.

>>83504431
Bacteria, Amoebas, and so on that infect humans have to overcome our immune system (Assuming that the crew are not folks with AIDS). Things that can overcome our immune system are always things that can infect related organisms. One would not expect to find related organisms on another planet.

Thus Smallpox, Flu, HIV, Ebola, Marburg and so on infect and are originally from other species, and bacterial infections and parasites are even more dependent on the host being related.

>>83504464
>Odds are they didn't numerous attuned their scanning to look for pathogens, etc on the planet
You know you've been BTFO'd when you start making up these headcanons rationalizations.
>You think Covenant is some masterpiece like the instagrambabby you are.
What's this obsession with instagram? You sound like you're projecting something here, my dear millenial.
Also, Covenant IS a master piece. It's flawed, but it's art. Your generation just can't appreciate art anymore. Everything has to be like muh mass effect games.

>>83501574

No. The worry wouldn't only be toxins.

Why weren't they shitting themselves that they found alien life on another planet (plant life)?

All you retards defending No Helmet/No Quarantine behavior are too stupid to live.

You're like the guy in the news recently who got a new tattoo and went swimming then died of flesh-eating bacteria.

>>83504659
I don't care how old you are, if you think covenant is even mediocre quality art you're a fucking retard

>>83504670
They have been to MULTIPLE planets. It was nothing new to them. The guy who was BBQed at the beginning of the movie was rock climbing on am alien planet. These people were professional planet explorers. They were more shocked about not finding life.

>>83504449
Asbestos are easily detected anon.
>>83504473
>This is patented bullshit. The reason certain microbes are a threat to humans is precisely because they haven't properly adapted to human hosts like the millions of bacteria that have had time to form a symbiotic ecosystem within the body.
Anon, the point missed you.

I am talking about not what it does, but actually getting infected.

The chances of a virus or bacteria or parasite that lives in a host unrelated to humans being able to infect a human is approaching Nil.

What you are referring to is something completely different after the infection has taken place.

I am pointing out that the infection wouldn't happen in the first place.

>>83501752

What themes? That stupid people often die due to their own stupidity? Which was one of the primary criticisms of Prometheus?

If no character in a movie shows a modicum of intelligence, or training, or even common sense, it's really hard to defend anything they do. It's just bad writing.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotPlot
>this trope is a term for a Plot that hangs together only because the main characters behave like idiots. A single intelligent move or question by any of the characters, and all problems would be resolved.

>>83504659
>You know you've been BTFO'd when you start making up these headcanons rationalizations.

Uh, you're the one who suggested that they colonists might have died from a pathogen despite HAVING BEEN THEIR FOR YEARS! They would have died from it long ago!

>What's this obsession with instagram? You sound like you're projecting something here, my dear millenial.
Born in 80, not millenial. I see it all the time on here now. under 18's like you who "fucking love this movie!" because it's a thing on instagram. Fucking sad.

>Also, Covenant IS a master piece.
It's shit. Only retarded under 18's like you think that.

>Your generation just can't appreciate art anymore.
Your generation of instagram, twitter, selfies, and the Big Bang Theory can appreciate art?

>Everything has to be like muh mass effect games.
I don't even know what that is.

>>83504621
>When did I say you didn't say it was great?
>You're an underrage faggot that says Alien is only good because of "nostaglia goggles"
>Only good

starting to think you're just baiting

I know this is hard to believe, but Covenant is a different movie that explores different things. The movie is carried by Fassbender and the android playing God storyline. Alien is carried by slow moving tension in a more realistic environment. I think Alien is better overall, but yes, I like Covenant.

You sound so out of touch dude. Not everybody who likes something different than you is a braindead normie who snapchats Stacy all day. It would be like me saying you use MySpace because you're older.

>>83501871
>Just look at Aliens. Nobody is wearing a fucking suit.

There was already a human colony there you fucking mong. They were a cleanup crew.

>>83504497

this is beyond painful , his juvenile responses to the comments don't help either.

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>>83504582
78.

>>83504763
I'm the anon you've been talking with (I think at least) but I didn't make the post you replied to here, I made this one >>83504766

>>83500768
Too bad the excuse for these dumb fucking movies is that all earth based life is created from engineer DNA, so in the universe that the movie presents your point is invalid. And even outside of that universe there is no available data on how alien biology would interact with earth based biology.

It should also be pointed out that one of the crew member was taking an ecology test of the planet to see if it was really habitable, but not doing so while protected from the very ecology she is testing. The only reason for them to not have helmets is because they need to inhale the neo-goo. The idea that these planet colonizers would go down to this mysterious planet without protection and expect to go right back onto their colony ship carrying god knows what is laughable. It's like the scientist from Prometheus being told their is breathable air in a single cave section and he just takes off his helmet, despite not having any evidence that it could be a momentary phenomenon, or that the rooms beyond may not have any, he just takes it off and everyone else follows suit because why not?

This dumb shit just exists purely to further the plot even though there is no real reason for them to not have their helmets on while in that stupid structure. They could have kept them on and it would have changed nothing, but instead they made up this dumb fucking reason so they could take them off.

>>83504766
>You sound so out of touch dude.

I am out of touch. I come from an era of quality film and tv. This era is complete shit and Alien Covenant was complete shit. It wasn't art. It's "deep themes" are as shallow as a rain puddle, and only an under 18 tard like you would think otherwise. (Fassbender was great though, but even he couldn't carry this shit).

>>83502069
Or send a fucking robot. Like, I don't know, the robot on their fucking ship named Walter.

>>83504808

Lie. I knew that whatever number I wrote you would just go a few years younger.

No one born in 78 would defend this Covenant shit.

>>83502129
A quick scan? How many miles have rovers travelled on Mars before humans will ever set foot there?

>>83504860
Agree to disagree I guess. I'm not really sure what else to say.

>>83504903

I agree that your generation is shit and your film tastes are shit. I disagree that I am a faggot.

>>83504808
Any normal person would be freaking the fuck out if they were in a room with a pale, sickly person twitching and jerking uncontrollably with their eyes rolled back on an alien planet.

But she hugs him. Lel. I'd be getting the fuck out of there. This movie was retarded.

>>83504933
Glad we cleared that up.

>>83504763
>Uh, you're the one who suggested that they colonists might have died from a pathogen despite HAVING BEEN THEIR FOR YEARS! They would have died from it long ago!
That actually more viable then "walking in and getting infected.

Most of our illnesses come from centuries of contact with domesticated animals which gives time for random mutation to find a way to infect us.

Its not like the first time we handled cattle we suddenly had Rinderpest become the measles. But over centuries the virus was able though random mutations was able to infect humans and thus give us measles.

>>83504808

Oh, this is perfect I had a question about this scene. How exactly does that thing actually push its way out ? I mean we see two small spikes but they can hardly open a back like that thing did. And its not even formed, its starts spreading its limbs after it falls down.

HOW ABOUT THE SCENE WHERE THE XENOMORPH IS CHASING THEM, AND YOU GET SEVERAL CUTS TO ITS "POINT OF VIEW", AND IT'S JUST NORMAL HUMAN FULL-COLOR VISION WITH A YELLOWY-GOO FILTER APPLIED

BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THIS SILICON-BASED WEAPON/MACHINE WITH NO EYES SEES

SINCE WHEN DOES A XENOMORPH EVEN FUCKING "SEE"

OH MY GOD I'M GETTING RE-UPSET OVER HOW MUCH OF A FUCKING 6 THIS FLICK WAS

>>83504933
go to bed grandpa

>>83504763
>They would have died from it long ago
???
It's not like a pathogen can spontaneously evolve to be more virulent rite?
You're becoming more and more incoherent. Maybe you should take a break and watch something more accustomed to your mental faculties, like Game of Thrones.
>Your generation of instagram, twitter, selfies, and the Big Bang Theory can appreciate art?
I 24 and haven't used any of that shit. You sure seem well-versed in it though.

>>83504977
>autism

>>83504953
>That actually more viable then "walking in and getting infected.

The colony was a multibillion $ state of the art installation. The idea that they couldn't communicate with it was what worried Weyland Yutani the most. Even if they were dying from a pathogen, they would have been able to get out a comm signal warning WY. Instead the xenomorphs swarmed in and killed everyone real fast. That + Ripley's story is what led them to correctly believe it was the alien attack.

NEVER ONCE in all these years did anyone think the colonists might have died from a pathogen. Not until the Prometheus/Covenant crews started going in helmetless did retarded fanboys like you start saying "herr derr in Aliens they might have died from PATHOGENS!!!"

>>83502220

Not that guy. But some viruses can literally infect germlines. In fact, much of your DNA at this second is from ancient viruses that did just that to your ancestors.

There's also lateral gene transfer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer

And single-celled organisms often have their own immune systems, that basically snip out portions of host DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
>The CRISPR/Cas system is a prokaryotic immune system that confers resistance to foreign genetic elements such as those present within plasmids and phages that provides a form of acquired immunity.

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>>83504980

well you can always write this "vision" is from the skull in the dome. It was still kind of bland but not something that annoying.

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>>83504888
Anon. Go visit a Webm thread. I go by PA in those threads. My age and life is well established there to the point that someone could prob Dox me if they wanted to.. So needless to say, you can fuck off.
>>83504936
>Any normal person would be freaking the fuck out
She was freaking the fuck out.

>>83505013
>???

>on a colony planet for years. no problems
>state of the art facility with top medical, scanning, air filtration, etc. no problems
>colony goes silent on communications, Ripley discovered with Xenomorph stories on said planet

You: "hERR DERR IT COULD BE PATHOGENS!"

Dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

>I 24 and haven't used any of that shit. You sure seem well-versed in it though.
I have not met a single 24 year old who is not glued to his phone/social media in one way or another.

>>83500627
You forget that this is a horror film, and therefore contrived. The plot relies on stupid people doing stupid things for the convenience of the writer.

>>83502365
>It's a fucking movie you millenial retard.

Yeah, and movies tend to need to create suspension of belief, to make the pretend shit on screen believable. Which a budget of $97M they couldn't afford some fishbulb helmets? It's a space movie ffs.

And you didn't even need 14 people anyway, since they were going to kill them all off anyway.

And even with helmets, they could have tracked spores back into the ship, and then the lander still could have exploded. The writers are just fucking morons.

>>83505079
ugh i fucking guess
am i the only one who thought that one of the MANY cool things about the xenomorph is that it had no eyes/ears, just that huge dome, so theorizing how it sensed the world was such a cool and alien concept?

>>83504977
>How did the chestburster in Alien break out? It was still in some embryonic form and couldn't use its arms. Its head isn't sharp, so how could it have broken out? Speaking of, how could it grow in the first place? Does it just grow in the stomach, but here's no side effects on the person it's inside until it bursts out?

shut the fuck up

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>>83505092
Anyways, I am off, there is only so much autism I care to deal with, but someone saying I am not a old fuck since I don't care about spacesuits in a movie I feel is flawed is one of those special moments only /tv/ can do.

>>83505092
The crew wearing regular ass fatigues is something that needs to come back. The gay quasi-superhero bodysuits they wear now look like shit

>>83504808
>cleaning out shit in my garage
>pick up grass duster
>spiders start dripping out of it like water
>white hot instincts take over my conscious
>eyes roll back in head
>next thing I know I'm surrounded by dead spiders and a pulverized grass duster

would like to think I'd react the same way to an blob of moving shit bursting out of someone but you never know

>>83505169

Its a formed larva like being shown to have sharp teeth , you can always say it just chews its way out. So shut the fuck up yourself bitch.

>>83502634

You keep talking about viruses needing to be "compatible" with people, while entirely ignoring bacteria like the one that causes Anthrax, or flesh-eating bacteria, or MRSA.

And they already got a transmission which indicated life existed on the planet.

And yes, an away mission to an alien world IS going to provide a window for infection that requires quarantine procedures you fucking idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
>Planetary protection is a guiding principle in the design of an interplanetary mission, aiming to prevent biological contamination of both the target celestial body and the Earth in the case of sample-return missions.

>The Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) meets every two years, in a gathering of 2000 to 3000 scientists,[13] and one of its tasks is to develop recommendations for avoiding interplanetary contamination. Its legal basis is Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty.

>>83505118
It doesn't matter what I say, you're just going to keep coming up with these rationalizations. It's like discussing evolution with a creationist. In the end it comes down to "DUDE THE BIBLE SAYS THIS THEREFORE IT'S TRUE".

Why don't you try imagining the same scenario except the pathogen is the black goo. .
Is it sinking in yet? You can't KNOW. Why not be on the safe-side amirite?

>I have not met a single 24 year old who is not glued to his phone/social media in one way or another.

Maybe you should try interacting with people in real life instead of on 4chan and reddit.

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All these posts about retarded crew actions and no one is mentioning the fact that McBride's character didn't just take them straight the fuck up outside the atmosphere and let the xeno asphyxiate while it was still on the bottom of the ship?

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>>83505205
I too enjoyed the fancy boiler suits.
I think the recent movie had too many buckles and so on to look right. Looked like they where coming out of a discount hiking/climbing store with earth toned colors.

>>83502764

Oh so on Earth there's no reason for people to wear Hazmat suits or cleanroom suits or wetsuits?

All you mouthbreathers saying alien bacteria or viruses could not infect humans need to fucking die because you're too stupid to live. As if a cell is some kind of impenetrable barrier.

>>83505264
OK, I'll say it then. the bloodburster chewed its way out. In its full grown state, its teeth weren't visible until it screeched, so I'll just assume it was the same as the baby There, your original question is answered! Glad we got that out of the way.

Also you ignored the second half of my post, which isn't shocking, because your rose-tinted glasses let you cherrypick what's worth answering.

>>83502827
>Same thing happened in Aliens.

Oh you mean nearly every human died from an alien lifeform?

>>83505329
>It doesn't matter what I say, you're just going to keep coming up with these rationalizations

I'm only coming up with rationalizations because you keep bringing up these insane conspiracy theories about how the colony crew in Aliens could have been killed by pathogens.

> It's like discussing evolution with a creationist. In the end it comes down to "DUDE THE BIBLE SAYS THIS THEREFORE IT'S TRUE".
So you're losing the argument, and in a last ditch gamble you position yourself as the evolutionist and me as the creationist. How sadly desperate.

>Why don't you try imagining the same scenario except the pathogen is the black goo. .
You can see the black goo.

>Maybe you should try interacting with people in real life instead of on 4chan and reddit.
Yeah, I spend every second of my day inside and websites. Seriously bro, have YOU been outside. EVERYONE under the age of 30 is on their phones constantly. Just like you are.

>>83505346
>xeno
>asphyxiate
This is the type of people who criticize AC. 18 year olds whose only references are AvP.

>>83502939
>A Virus and Fungus infection would be out of the question.

You mean the spores that the retard stepped on in the beginning of the movie? That fungus?

>>83505360

Doesn't work, its not shown to get out of the body like the chestburster , its still in some fancy blood bag that it then tears like the squid from prometheus. Your arguments are shitty thats why they are being ignored.

>>83505346
Actually a decent point, though it likely would have broken the glass by then. If Daniels hadn't gone outside, it wouldn't have been distracted and could have jest headbutted the glass the whole time.

>>83505346
Xenos only inhale to catch the scent of their prey. They don't really need to breathe. They're giant batteries.

>>83500627
It costs too much to put in a scene of a crew member puncturing his or her suit and getting infected.

>>83505274
Bacteria is the same.

hell, MRSA exists since it been so long in humans it becoming immune to our drugs. Anthrax is a infection of sheep that we also now get.

The idea that we are randomly going to get infected by a illness (be viral, bacterial, fungal, or other) is remote from a alien life form unless we are handling said lifeform on a regular basis for years.

But I am on the east coast, no night. Talk to a actual scientist and you might be shocked on how rare inter-species crossover of infections of any type happen.

>>83505468
These characters haven't seen the previous movies, so they don't know that.

>>83503086
>Do you really need a 2 minute scene where characters say they're testing the atmosphere and no pathogens are present?

Do you really need everyone walking around without helmets on in a space movie?

>Even if they were wearing suits, Ridley could have just had the spore things enter the suit on a molecular level or something.

Exactly, that's why the writing is so horrible and indefensible.

>The people who use this as if its legitimate criticism of a sci-fi film are the definition of brainlets.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotPlot
>this trope is a term for a Plot that hangs together only because the main characters behave like idiots. A single intelligent move or question by any of the characters, and all problems would be resolved.

>And a reminder they didn't wear suits in Aliens when they knew there was a chance the whole population of that planet mysteriously died, but you hypocritical autists act like that movie is flawless.

There was already a human colony there for years. And infectious spores weren't really a key plot point of that film. But again, a bunch of humans died because of an alien lifeform which infected people.

>>83505427
>I don't have an answer so your argument is shitty
very compelling

>>83505358
>Oh so on Earth there's no reason for people to wear Hazmat suits or cleanroom suits or wetsuits?
On earth, yes. Of course. What they are pointing out is that a case of zoonosis from a alien lifeform to US (or vice versa) chances are almost nil.


> As if a cell is some kind of impenetrable barrier.

Go look up zoonosis

>>83503094

If RNA or DNA arises on another planet, due to certain elements tendency to form RNA under certain conditions, you think you're totally safe?

Do you know why astronauts who walked on the moon were quarantined? Do you know why Mars rovers are quarantined before they leave Earth? It's called back contamination, and forward contamination.

Why do retarded people call other people retarded so much? You're too stupid to live.

>>83502634
Yes, the crew knew they had absolutely no fear of the planet because of 'freshman' level biology , that's why there was a scene with franco's wife warning the captain to not go to the planet since they had not prepared for it at all.

Holy shit, why are film companies paying people to shill on 4chan?

>>83505346
Alien would have headbutting it way in before that.

>>83505426
you mean mushroom looking thing that released nano genetic engineering misquotes

>>83505538
>links tv tropes
nu/tv/ everybody

>>83505401
>insane conspiracy theories
You don't even sound convincing to yourself do you? You probably know that I'm right, but you can't admit it because it'd make you lose face on the internet. It's understandable.

>>83503486
>But of actually getting to know the folks so I care for them when they die.

But they only exist TO die. Because of their stupidity. That's their only function. To endanger the colony ship.

Instead of people saying fuck off, you may be infected, have a nice life, and closing a fucking door.

>>83505646
Did she say "we need to put on hazmat suits?"

No, since it wasn't a viable risk.

There is a term for what that is, it called zoonosis. It is a very rare thing indeed.

The idea that if you visted a planet with alien life and some sort of infectious agent would infect you makes for a great story (Ranging from War of the worlds to Alien) but is piss poor science.

>>83501148
..Which is why it would make logical sense for them to wear suits, masks whatever.

Low IQ spics,whites, and niggers need to get off /tv/.

>>83505673
>You don't even sound convincing to yourself do you?

You're the one who's not convincing anyone.
"herr derr the colonists in Aliens could have died from pathogens!"

Seriously, each generation gets worse. And you are worse than the next one.

>>83505688
Except they did close off the door and quarantine the infected one. Then the critter got out of the quarantine.

Nice try though.

>>83505723
Except the chances of you getting alien aids from some tree is about the same chances I am going to fuck Jessica beil tonight.

But that would require someone to taken biology and understood that. so fuck this thread.

>>83503569

The Alien series is about the danger that alien life poses to humanity.

And before Covenant retconned Xenomorphs, to make them coming from spores intelligently designed by a robot, instead of silicon-based lifeforms that evolved to survive in the harsh conditions of space, it was about aliens being survivors, which is why the android Ash admired them in Alien.

>>83505769
this

why are AC haters generally so fucking stupid?

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The novel is so much better

>>83505818
Ash only cared about them because the company told him to

>>83503784
>they didn't wear them in Aliens, a planet where literally everybody mysteriously died, which you didn't address.

Oh wow, a bunch of marines are fucking idiots and considered expendable. Shocking.

>>83505820
Since everything has to be spoonfed, and they can't remember a scene that was in the movie and trailer of a woman freaking out as she was on the infected side of the quarantine.

>>83505738
>Seriously, each generation gets worse. And you are worse than the next one
Lol'd. Your incoherence seems to be worsening.
I'll to go bed before it gets too ugly.
Stay mad son.

>>83505874
>moving the goalposts

can't say I'm surprised

>>83503831
quality post

>>83505820
I am guessing 1/2 the haters haven't even watched the fucking film. Since they complain about no quarantine when it clearly was one, and complain about no scans when it was clear the ship scanned the planet more then once.

>>83503942
>in DA FUTURE and they can't make boots that make you not fall on stuff
But really, is this supposed to be scary or am I supposed to laugh at these retards?

>>83505889
>Lol'd. Your incoherence seems to be worsening.

What's incoherent about it? What don't you understand.

Go back to believing that the colonists died from pathogens. What else? Do you believe that Vader wears his breathing apparent because there's pathogens on Imperial Star Ships?

>>83503920

Do you think that just because something is MOVIE, that the writers can just write whatever and be immune to criticism, now matter how unbelievable shit gets? They can just throw all plausibility out the window?

"That's just how it happened." That's your defense for horrible writing?

>>83503402
>if you look at the pictures

He posted 1 picrture of the fucking android david who doesn't need it

>>83505953
>colonists died from pathogens
If I was a marine going int a colony that had a life support system to breath, one would think they would provide at least chemical suits in case there was a toxin in the air handlers.

>>83503942
couldn't help but laugh at this part.

>>83504001
>You don't understand that in a real life situation humans with flaws make mistakes and stupid decisions.

Are you suggesting that 100% of people are the same level of stupid?

That every single person in a situation will make the same stupid decisions about infection, lack of quarantine, and sacrificing more people to save less?

It's one thing if people make an effort and fail. It's another thing if people all just bathe in the same shit-filled river.

Why does Ridley Scotch feel or act like he created the franchise when he did not write the first story nor the designs?

>>83504060
>that didn't show any issues with bio-hazards.

Is that what they did? Scanned for all signs of life on the entire planet? While missing all the plants and trees and wheat and spores?

>>83506045
>If I was a marine going int a colony that had a life support system to breath, one would think they would provide at least chemical suits in case there was a toxin in the air handlers.

Why would there be a toxin in the air handlers? They lost contact with the colonists suddenly. Ripley told them about the alien. They put 2 and 2 together. Only nuAlien fans like you are proposing this shit.

>>83505355

I never liked "TRUCKERS IN SPACE" thing because they're characterized exactly like a cargo ship crew. They're part of a company, they have officers and normal crew, and they're certainly more educated than just a guy who drives a truck. I know O'Bannon's previous movie was more simplistic, but the Nostromo crew would be closer to that of an LNG ship than a big rig.

>>83506070
Did you even watch the movie. The backbuster broke out in the quarantine, as the dark woman was begging to be let out and the other crew was like "Nope"

Or did I watch the special edition that you didn't see?

>>83506070

Alien was a great film because the human drama was believable. Kane got infected with the facehugger, Dallas brought him back, even though he shouldn't have been let back on the ship (he let his fear for his crewmember override his sense of protocol). And of course Ash was fucking shit up subtlety as well.

It worked. Prometheus and Covenant were just stupid crew members doing stupid things for stupid reasons.

>>83504750
>I am pointing out that the infection wouldn't happen in the first place.

Except that's exactly what happens because it's a bioweapon meant specifically for our genome.

>>83506118
I am not disagreeing. Just the term used for whatever reason is "Truckers in space" when it really "Able Spaceman in space"

>>83504179

I really doubt in the naval tradition that they will willingly risk the lives of everyone on a ship to bring on one guy with Ebola. Even ships have a brig where you can hold people that need to be separated from everyone else.

>>83506180
The crew would have no concept of the bioweapon, so they would not do anything to try to protect themselves from it.

>>83506214
>I really doubt in the naval tradition that they will willingly risk the lives of everyone on a ship to bring on one guy with Ebola. Even ships have a brig where you can hold people that need to be separated from everyone else.
Read the thread -

The comment was in reference to the Colony ship going a jump out of the way to check things out. Not any sort of illness issue.

also

they did put the infected guy in quarantine, just that the alien broke though the glass

>>83504269

The claim was
>You do not get viral/bacterial infections from fungi or plants.

I said Anthrax often occurs in soil. So if you're eating plants, say the roots of a planet, and don't wash off the soil, bacteria could possibly infect you.

And bacteria causes lots of diseases in plants. Blight for example, which is a huge plot point of a superior scifi movie, Interstellar. People can point out that the blight was another plothole in that it wouldn't have really asphixiated Earth in that timeframe. But at least they tried to give a plausible reason as to why humans needed to move.

>>83504417
>barring some sort of toxin or other well known harmful substance being detected...they would not need to go with spacesuits or biohazard suits.

It's a fucking alien planet. If you're sending live humans there, instead of robots, who didn't evolve there, of course you'd need a suit to protect people from dangers in the environment and be a life support system.

In Arrival, Amy Adams doesn't start without her helmet on. She eventually takes it off, although even that was stupid.

>>83506250
>a human crew from a planet with a history of bioweapon usage have no concept of a bioweapon

Brilliant.

>>83500768
>land on foreign planet
>dont worry about eating these moldy fruit guise aliens cant hurt us
>whoops die from alien mycotoxins
>or die from bacterial exotoxins
>or die from carbon based parasite eating through your stomach lining

>>83500692
*sigh*

The sorry truth. It works for dumb teenagers in a slasher flick, not so well for engineers.

>>83504429
>Do the people who make these threads get mad that they don't war spacesuits in Star Wars?

Star Wars never relied on infection or microscopic organisms as a main plot point, until Lucas retconned the Force with "midichlorians."

But even when Han and Leaia land on an asteroid in ESB they use breathing masks.

You're defending a cast composed 100% of stupid people making stupid decisions.

Name one smart decision any human in Alien: Covenant made.

>>83501255
>at least one habitable planet in all of space

They've discovered about 900.

>>83506413
You are confusing spores with active bacteria.

Anthrax infects a select group of animals, notably sheep and humans. It does produce spores that can infect the ground for years and years.

However, space anthrax will be able to infect a local animal or subset of animals on the planet. the chances that the spores would also be able to infect humans is almost nil due to the biological differences.

Just as a alien could eat anthrax coated roots and would not suffer unless there biology was close to humanity.

>In Aliens now we know it all sorta related due to the goo and engineers, but I am speaking of real life.

>>83501383
Almost every scientific test or expedition, if planned properly, follows STRICT guidelines to prevent any error, no matter how unlikely. That's why you always wear gloves, log every data point, use proper ventilation, have someone double check, yada yada yada.

Not having a space suit on while on a planet that has life, even if only in the form of plant life, is unbelievably stupid.

>>83506552
When has anyone encountered a bioweapon in the series?

This is before Alien so there would be no recorded notes ,and even in alien timeframe it was a select group that knew about it.

>>83506487
They have already scanned it and showed the air was non-toxic and supported breathing.

The chance of a infection by a alien life form is very small. Of course it happen since it a fucking alien movie.

But it late and I am headed to bed. Go pick up a science book.

>everyone in this thread arguing about bacteria and viruses, hence why it was so dumb to not have a suit on

Fuck viruses, I don't want space-asbestos. That shit ain't life, but kills you all the same.

>>83506729
>Almost every scientific test or expedition
This wasn't a scientific expedition, this was the crew of a spaceship hauling people in cold storage to a planet.

And you sir, win a autism award, here your spinner.

>>83504629

The human immune system that exists is acquired by exposure to pathogens. Chickenpox for example. That fact is the basis of all vaccines.

Humans would have no immunity to pathogens they have never been exposed to. Native Americans for example meeting colonists from Europe.

And bacteria have existed for many 3 billion years before humans did. The unicellular organisms came first. Humans adapted TO them, and only some of them.

But Alien: Covenant was also a planet that they knew had life, based on a rogue transmission. And based on the fact that they could see trees, plants, wheat, etc. Even humans have allergies to plants because their pollen acts as an irritant, and the human body often sees it as a foreign body.

The first rule of stepping on an alien planet is wear a suit and life support system. Star Trek gets around that because they have scanners that can scan for all signs of life. For example, in Star Trek they would have known that the planet they were landing on had wheat on it, and fungal spores.

>>83501063
there are loads of opportunist infections which infect people who's immune systems are compromised, very house hold things like the mold that grows on you oranges if you leave em out enough. our yeast infections

I would be quite likely that our immune systems are unable to handle completely foreign organisms leading to similar situations where an alien mold just starts to grow on your skin uninterupted or slowly eats away your brain

>>83504748
>These people were professional planet explorers.

All the more reason why not wearing protective suits or even facemasks was totally retarded.

Has no one really pointed out you don't need to actually get "infected" by bacteria/viruses to die, all you have to do is ingest them and if they are toxic and/or survive in your gut long enough you can die from dysentery

>>83506815
>space-asbestos.
Air sensors would be able to detect fibers in the air of asbestoes sizes. Perhaps not in orbit but once they landed it would be a easy thing to check.

>>83506846
This wasn't Amazon delivery leaving a fucking box at the wrong door. If you honestly think that safety standards are just left in the trash when a trillion dollar ship carrying a thousand colonists lands on a mysterious planet that shows signs of life, then you'd better keep that autism award for yourself. You'll need it.

>>83504750
>The chances of a virus or bacteria or parasite that lives in a host unrelated to humans being able to infect a human is approaching Nil.

Viruses and bacteria and parasites are all older than humans, many of them billions of years older.

I think you're confusing the fact that certain strains of certain viruses don't pass to humans, with the idea that infection of humans is not possible.

Nevermind that viruses and bacteria are not the only hazards or dangers to the eyes/ears/nose/mouth of humans setting foot on an alien planet.

>>83506967
and what if the space abestos is spores in a pod someone accidentally steps on and everyone has an allergic reaction and dies then what?

>>83506761
And yet they very clearly had a concept of quarantine and preventing alien pathogens from spreading even if they did a completely fucktarded job of actually following through.

Or do you really think explorers would be sent in completely blind with no protocols? Also, how do you know they never encountered alien diseases or organisms? Even finding plants and worms is treated as mundane.

>>83504837

The crew don't know about the engineers.

Why is that Covenant haters are so brain-dead?

>>83506892
>>83506900
Completely foreign objects are removed from the human systems in rapid order before they can cause a infection.

it is pathogens that can not trigger a immune response till after they have already started a large infections that cause illness. For example, Canine distemper will not infect humans as even if you never been exposed to it, your body reacts quickly to it.

>>83506967

>once they landed it would be an easy thing to check

Then why did the plot happen the way it did? You'd think the air sensors would pick up the fucking air pollutants that ended up fucking their mission up.

>>83507031
because I watched the movie and it killed most of my brain cells.

>>83504977

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodburster
>The Bloodburster is the infant form of the Neomorph species and the third stage of its life cycle. It is most well know for its horrific method of gestation — it is implanted into a host via microscopic motes, dispersed from egg sacks, that invade the host's body through open orifices. The host's health rapidly deteriorates during gestation, ultimately culminating in the Bloodburster violently puncturing the skin and clawing its way to freedom.

It was also a totally unnecessary method of infection for an Alien movie.

>>83507048
Are you baiting? This is bait, right?

>>83507011
>iruses and bacteria and parasites are all older than humans,

False, new bacteria and parasites happen all the time.

No, I understand the concept of zoonotic which you do not.

>>83507031
At this point I do not know if they are trolls or just dumb as fucking rocks.


>>83507019
I guess you have a hard time understanding that they have a protocols if someone falls ill, but the chances of someone getting ill from a alien lifeform is so small they would not be running around in spacesuits?

It much more likely that someone would have say, a allergic reaction then actually get ill.

Fuck this, people are so brain dead I am out.

>>83505147

Alien is also a horror film. But you can still reach certain events with people making semi-smart/smart decisions.

>>83507048
>for example
What about these examples?

https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/

>>83507048
>>83507159
No, I am not.

You are exposed to 100s of new bacteria and viruses and parasites daily. Almost none of them make you sick as your immune system can easily detect them and eliminate them.

What makes you sick is virus, bacteria, and parasites that have evolved to infect humans or cross over in zoonotic fashion from one animal to another.

The Flu comes form Pigs, Measles from cows, and so on. since for example, pigs are not too dissimilar to humans, a pathogen which infects pigs, over time, will mutate enough to be able to infect humans without causing a instant immune response. Thus you become ill.

but for example, if you never encountered the Distemper pathogen, and you are exposed to it, you will not get sick. Why? your immune system detects it instantly as a pathogen and removes it before you even show the first sign of illness.

>>83507240
They are what are called zoonotic illnesses.

They require a host animal that is close to humans, and a lot of time and interaction with humans. The Flu actually started in pigs, went to us, and then later to birds, but that was over 1000s of years.

>>83505518
>The idea that we are randomly going to get infected by a illness (be viral, bacterial, fungal, or other) is remote from a alien life form unless we are handling said lifeform on a regular basis for years.

For one thing, the nasal tract and throat and lungs of a person can be fucked up by all kinds of things that aren't viruses or bacteria or fungi.

Like another anon said, particulate matter alone can fuck you up. You can get silicosis from inhaling silica dust. Coalminers can get black lung from inhaling coal dust. Pollution and heavy metals can negatively affect the brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplastic_effects_of_pollution

Lead is toxic to people.

>Baby teeth show how exposure to various metals may be linked to autism, study finds

There's a reason that anyone exploring an uncharted planet should suit up.

>>83507432
and you think that silicone dust, asbestos, and other airborne pollution could not be easily detected by sensors?

>>83503796
Sauce?

>>83505570
>What they are pointing out is that a case of zoonosis from a alien lifeform to US (or vice versa) chances are almost nil.

And that's why they are wrong, and showing their ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_contamination
>There are two types of interplanetary contamination:
>Forward contamination is the transfer of life and other forms of contamination from Earth to another celestial body.
>Back contamination is the introduction of extraterrestrial organisms and other forms of contamination into Earth's biosphere. It also covers infection of humans and human habitats in space and on other celestial bodies by extraterrestrial organisms, if such habitats exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
>Planetary protection is a guiding principle in the design of an interplanetary mission, aiming to prevent biological contamination of both the target celestial body and the Earth in the case of sample-return missions.

>The Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) meets every two years, in a gathering of 2000 to 3000 scientists,[13] and one of its tasks is to develop recommendations for avoiding interplanetary contamination. Its legal basis is Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty.

These people have the technology to make interstellar colony ships and realistic androids but know nothing about quarantines?

>>83507335

Complete nonsense.

>>83505668

I personally hate TV Tropes. But Alien: Covenant (and Prometheus, and Life) are classic example of an an "Idiot Plot" where everything that happens is only because everybody is an idiot who only make stupid decisions.

These people have the technology to make interstellar colony ships, hypersleep, giant solar sails, and realistic androids but know nothing about quarantines?

>>83505717
>it called zoonosis. It is a very rare thing indeed.

It's not rare at all. It happens all the fucking time. It's why millions of people died from Ebola

>The idea that if you visted a planet with alien life and some sort of infectious agent would infect you makes for a great story (Ranging from War of the worlds to Alien) but is piss poor science.

No. Just no. Please fucking learn something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_contamination
>There are two types of interplanetary contamination:
>Forward contamination is the transfer of life and other forms of contamination from Earth to another celestial body.
>Back contamination is the introduction of extraterrestrial organisms and other forms of contamination into Earth's biosphere. It also covers infection of humans and human habitats in space and on other celestial bodies by extraterrestrial organisms, if such habitats exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
>Planetary protection is a guiding principle in the design of an interplanetary mission, aiming to prevent biological contamination of both the target celestial body and the Earth in the case of sample-return missions.

>The Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) meets every two years, in a gathering of 2000 to 3000 scientists,[13] and one of its tasks is to develop recommendations for avoiding interplanetary contamination. Its legal basis is Article IX of the Outer Space Treaty.

>>83505769

No, they brought a visibly sick and coughing person back onto the ship.

>>83505820
No, see >>83507689 you stupid fucking nigger.

You think quarantine protocol was followed in a movie where over 2,000 humans will end up dead?

>>83505876

Here's a tip if you're ever in Africa. You don't meet an infected person and touch them with bare skin and then bring them into the transport you're all taking home and then close the door. That's not how quarantine works.

Christ, I bet you dumbfucks don't even wash your hands after you take a shit.

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>>83501065
There may not be dangerous alien micro-organisms, but there are Somalians, which are basically the same thing

>>83505899

I'm not the original poster. So I haven't moved any goalposts.

People are saying the marines in Aliens wore no space suits, and where's all the outrage? For one thing, humans had been living on that planet for many years, and they were sent in as a cleanup crew. And oh yeah, they all died. And it doesn't stretch credulity to think a bunch of marines would be stupid when it comes to alien life.

However, when you have a bunch of humans setting foot on an unknown alien planet, the idea that none of them would be wearing helmets or even facemasks is retarded.

>>83507187
>everyone is stupid
>everyone but me
Sure buddy, despite the fact that your position that alien bacteria would not effect the human body has zero evidence to support that claim, only unproven theory. The only reason for them to not have helmets on is for them to get infected, there is no reason for them not to have them on. And considering the planet appeared out of nowhere and is highly suspicious, there is no reason for them not to run tests on the planet, using Walter or drones, to make sure it is safe. The Prometheus crew at least had the excuse of the scientists being highly impatient morons but these people's one job is to determine whether or not this is a safe place to live and they fucked it up in the worst way possible. It's like Weyland hires people off of Craigslist.

>>83505931

Holy fucking shit. Why are Alien threads full of so many fucking idiots?

Bringing an obviously sick and coughing person back onto your only way off the planet is not fucking quarantine. It's not quarantine just because someone closed a door on a ship. You don't bring someone potentially infected by an alien virus back onto a ship in the first place.

And the "scans" were to determine the planet was in the habitable zone around a planet, and apparently that it had breathable air. If they hd scanned for life they would have detected trees, plants, wheat, and the fungus and/or mini eggs that ejected the alien spores.

If the writers wanted to kill every human off, there's way to do that without making it so every human is 100% retarded in their decision making.

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>>83504060
>there was no reason for them to wear it after they did scans that showed a breathable atmosphere that didn't show any issues with bio-hazards.
OTHER THAN ALL THE BIO-HAZARDS THAT THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T TEST FOR

OTHER THAN THAT THE PREVIOUS EXPEDITION WAS SABOTAGED BY IDIOTS TAKING THEIR PPE OFF IN ALIEN ENVIRONMENT.S

>>83506143

I did watch it. But you don't bring a sick person onto a ship to begin with. You set up a fucking tent outside the ship. And you close the fucking door until everyone who walked outside passes quarantine. Even then, you probably just leave them to die on the fucking planet, rather than risk endangering your motherfucking colony ship.

Or are you such a fucking newfag that you haven't even seen ET, with all the plastic tents, and even that tries to get some kind of quarantine right.

>>83507839
But in Aliens the marines only know contact has been lost. Only Ripley, Burke, and some others at WY know about the Xeno's. Are you really trying claim that an infectious outbreak being responsible never occurred to the mission planners? The marines sure didn't seem to give a fuck about Ripleys story. They must have been looking at other possibilities. Did they just ignore the possibility? Just like every single person on the mission neglects to notice that the Aliens have nested beneath the heat exchangers until they're pretty much there already?

>>83506171
>It worked. Prometheus and Covenant were just stupid crew members doing stupid things for stupid reasons.

Yes, exactly.

And a chestburster is surprising way of showing someone is infected/has a parasite.

But it seems like the writers wanted to throw in new secret surprises in the life cycle, like sentient alien dust designed by an android, or bloodbursters.

>>83506300

A colony ship that should have sent robots down first to check out the signal.

And you don't bring a potentially infected person onto your ship and then put them in quarantine. You quarantine them outside the ship. All of them.

>>83506640
>the chances that the spores would also be able to infect humans is almost nil due to the biological differences.

And you're wrong and I hope to God you never work for NASA, not that that is even remotely plausible.

>>83508125
If they sent Walter down alone and he got fucked up they'd have to have someone stay up and look after the ship for seven years and that would waste seven years worth of food.
If they send multiple people down they can accomplish more and help each other in emergency situations.

>>83506761
>The chance of a infection by a alien life form is very small.

Only because the chance of humans finding alien life is very small.

But if you ever hear an Earth song coming from another planet, you should probably put on your fucking suit. Even on Earth there are places where the air is toxic, that's why humans invented life support systems.

>>83506846
>This wasn't a scientific expedition, this was the crew of a spaceship hauling people in cold storage to a planet.

Yeah, so they have an incentive to ensure the survival of their fucking cargo by not taking stupid risks.