Since Star Trek went full SJW, somebody recommend me some

sg1

>>83345462

>>83345316
>Since Star Trek went full SJW,
anon, its always been SJW

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>>83345316
>Since Star Trek went full SJW
You should probably pretend to be mad about something that hasn't always been the penultimate social change series instead, retard.

>>83345316
The Expanse

>>83345316
Battlestar Galactica

>>83345613
>>83345613
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>>83345613
>>83345613
>>83345613

>>83345316
Firefly

>>83345316
Stargate: SG1

I want to fuck that captain.

Babylon 5

>>83345316
Stargate: Atlantis

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>>83345744

>>83345316
I'm still confused. Is this set in Roddenberry Trek or JJ Trek?

>>83345316
Dark Matter

>>83345316
Killjoys

>>83345539
Nah, the original was racist as fuck.

>>83345833
roddenberry timeline but it seems to give a shit even less than JJs

>>83345316
V

>>83345833

It's supposed to be set 10 years before the original show so it would have to be the original time-line but I'm sure they'll retconn whatever suits them.

>>83345316
Falling Skies

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>redpilled scifi

Easy.

>>83345316
A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

>>83345316
Red Dwarf

All science fiction is blue-pilled propaganda for the round earth. If you want to be red pilled skip these (((shows))) and stick to flat earth youtube documentaries.

>>83345316
>went

>>83345781
She's only an executive officer. The captain is a white male.

>>83346044
(((insect civilization)))

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>>83345539
>always been SJW

Is that what internet bloggers told you? Star Trek was always male entertainment. Alpha male Kirk shooting phasers, punching Klingons in the face, getting his shirt ripped, then seducing the hot, half naked alien broad. If there was social commentary, then it came at the end of the episode when Kirk, Spock and McCoy are back on the bridge. They would say something profound or witty, then cut to credits. Making a good show always came first.

>>83345583
>having blacks and chinks in a show is the same as pushing current year social justice faggotry

>>83346633
>If there was social commentary, then it came at the end of the episode when Kirk, Spock and McCoy are back on the bridge. They would say something profound or witty, then cut to credits.

for a 60's show, thats groundbreaking. don't lose the context of the times nigger.

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>>83345316

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088083/reference

>>83345316
Stargate Universe

Watch this and the original Stargate movie. Ignore SG-1 and if you find and DVD copies of Atlantis burn them in a trash can fire.

>>83346633

Look at that fucking face.

Literal 10/10.

I wonder how many directors promised her a role after cumming on her tits.

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>>83346633
Here, friend.

>>83345316
Isn't the captain a white male?

>>83346889
It's Michelle Yeoh.

>>83346633
>Star Trek was always male entertainment.
Is that what internet bloggers told you?

Star Trek TOS was for everyone, including women. It only exists because it appealed to Lucille Ball's personal tastes so she gave it the green light. She bankrupted her studio giving it the chance she thought it deserved. It was saved from cancellation twice thanks to letter-writing campaigns spearheaded by women. Horny women who also spearheaded fanzines where they wrote and shared Kirk/Spock slash fiction. Women have always been a part of the Star Trek fandom since the very beginning. Fuck off with your /pol/ historical revisionism.

>then seducing the hot, half naked alien broad
Is this what JJ Abrams told you?

Kirk is in love with his ship. Women come on to him, but he rebuffs them because he can't betray his loyal and devoted Enterprise. Kirk the sexpot is a meme perpetuated by casual tourists like you who want to earn e-points for being "such a nerd lol xd" and think Star Trek will help you accumulate some.

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>>83345316
Dune's good.

>>83346784
According to /pol/, it is.

>>83346633
>Star Trek was always male entertainment.
Star Trek was a soap opera, you dunderfuck. It wasn't until later when sci-fi nerds had properly latched on that it became a "boy thing"

>>83346889
Yes, Jason Isaacs is the captain of the USS Discovery.

>>83346922
No, she's the captain of the USS Shenzhou.

>>83346933
Ruthless

>>83346933
Rekt

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>a show that has always been about diversity for diversity's sake and filled with plenty of examples of social commentary on things like racism, xenophobia, war, poverty, and other social issues is now suddenly "SJW Bullshit"
IT'S GOT BROWN LADIES NOW SO THAT'S TOO MUCH I GUESS

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>>83345316

Babylon 5.

How much you want to bet OP has never seen a single episode of the original series.

>all these wrong answers
Farscape is the only correct answer then BSG V B5 The expanse and then SG1

>>83345316

Swear to fucking god if this were the 1960s then /poltv/ would be calling Star Trek an SJW series that promoted degeneracy and miscegenation.

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>watching any Sci-Fi TV show except Babylon 5
disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fa7jeiHiM

>>83347310
it was and is, the entire cast is diversity hires

>>83347310
It did, for the time.
Shows how retarded /pol/ is.
Liberal degenracy IS real, but not to the extent they think it is.

>>83347359
Yet we have /pol/fag here >>83346633
acting like it was god gift to men.

>>83347113
basically this

>>83345316
>Since Star Trek went full SJW
>went

Are we seriously at such socio-political disposition on this site that people pretend that Star Trek wasn't like this since the beginning?

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>>83346933
>Is that what internet bloggers told you?

No. It's what I saw with my two eyes.

>Women come on to him, but he rebuffs them because he can't betray his loyal and devoted Enterprise. Kirk the sexpot is a meme

Congratulations. I can't tell if you are trolling or if you are really that retarded.

>>83347405
who cares probably some r/thedonald faggot

>>83347440
Still /pol/

>>83345316
Andromeda had potential. Watch the first two seasons.

>>83347456
>muh subreddit wars

>>83347502
/pol/ and /r/the_donald are one and the sand. People there will admit to going to both without shame.

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>>83345539

No. It was progressive, modern day insane SJW's complaining about cultural appropriation and demanding racial quotas didn't exist until few years ago. 60's progressives were actually progressive instead of current years regressives. In 60's liberals believed in carpet bombing commies hiding in jungles.

>>83347558
on reddit sure, but not on /pol/. Even if it was true who cares there are many other uninfested /pol/s

>>83345316
Star Trek is the most cucked series. The fandom is especially abhorrent.

>>83346853
This... Is terrible advice. I love Stargate, but Universe was really gritty and didn't make much sense in a universe with Egyptian alien gods, Roswell greys, and Wormhole X-Treme

>>83347432
>No. It's what I saw with my two eyes.
Well read a fucking book. Go look up what happened to Desilu. Go look up the Trimbles. Go look up where the term "Mary Sue" came from.

Hint: It involves women liking Star Trek.

>your picture
He didn't want Kelinda, he wanted her to return control of his ship.

>>83346784
>having blacks and chinks in a show is the same as pushing current year social justice faggotry

in this case, i would say yes. tell me honestly, do you truly believe they were casted because they were the best/most appropriate actors for the roles? you KNOW that they weren't. Maybe, maybe the chink, she's actually a decent actress. no way was the black chick the best person who auditioned for that role, you know it and i know it. diversity casting is annoying, but tolerable. basically, "shit, you know what guys we literally only have white people on our show, we should probably snag a black dude so we don't catch shit for it." basically people just trying to make a good show or movie, cast the best people, but throw a minority in because they felt they had to. SJW casting though, that's bullshit and ruins movies and tv before it gets started. It goes more like, "OK let's see how much virtue signaling we can do, find me a black dude, a mexican chick, and a chinese transexual" thereby limited their casting choices(especially since in holywood, in the US, most actors are white) and meaning the best actor most likely didn't get the job. And it's always so fucking obvious too, like spitting in your face, "hey watch this, even though instead of trying to make the best show, we tried to put the least amount of white people in our show, because fuck you" So when one of the minority actors is shit, you have to wonder, gee i wonder if they just tried to hire the best person if this character wouldn't be so shitty.

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>>83345316
>he's complaining about diversity
>in Star Trek
o i am laffing

>>83345316
well I'd suggest a book but it's not /tv/

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>>83346933
>Is that what internet bloggers told you?

Science fiction has always been male dominated part of entertainment. In 50's and 60's scifi was so male dominated that most female authors used pseudonyms or just used initials to hide their lack of penis. One of the most notable examples is one of the most profilic Trek writers, D.C Fontana, most of the scifi community naturally assumed that it would be David Charles instead of Dorothy Catherine.

>It only exists because it appealed to Lucille Ball's personal tastes so she gave it the green light. She bankrupted her studio giving it the chance she thought it deserved.

Desilu was profitable when She sold the company to Paramount.

>Kirk is in love with his ship. Women come on to him, but he rebuffs them because he can't betray his loyal and devoted Enterprise.

What about his affair with the mountain?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ

>>83348076
Kirk was compelled to kiss Uhura and didn't enjoy it (he stared daggers at plato's stepchildren during the entire kiss instead of focusing on Uhura). Have you seen the episode or just that meme image?

>>83346633
Yeah, like that gratuitous Kirk/Uhura kiss was totally only for the sake of storyline and pleasing male viewers, right? The first interracial kiss on television.

Yeah, totally not a series that pushed social boundaries.

wait a minute why aren't there any germans in star trek

>>83345539
>>83345316
>>83346633

In the TOS episode Conscience of the King, Kirk basically falls in love with a 19 year old girl and jeopardizes the mission so he can be alone with her

>>83347861
>Well read a fucking book

Even worse than internet bloggers. You fell for so called tell all books. Were you the asshole that accused me of "historical revisionism"? You were, weren't you.

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>>83348184
So insecure men refused to believe that women were into scifi, and the female audience for scifi turned out to be wider than they knew.

As it was then, so it is now.

>Desilu was profitable when She sold the company to Paramount.
Seriously, read a fucking book.

>>83348456
>books are bad
Wew.

Whichever side of the fence you lean on, could I just mention that if Americans ITT would subscribe to CBS All Access and pay to watch Star Trek, you would get to provide feedback on what you did and did not like about every episode and as a paying customer your opinion would be taken very seriously?

If you like what's going on, pay and express your support. If you think Star Trek is moving in the wrong direction, you really need to pay and let the team know what you didn't like.

>>83348521
I have to agree with everything you've said. I assume you're a crazy SJW, but you're right about Star Trek being consistently SJW

>>83348638
Historical inaccuracies abound across all political boundaries.

The Right wants to pretend that Star Trek wasn't SJW for the same reasons that The Left wants to pretend that Cleopatra was black instead of Greek.

>>83347432

Why is he Fucking standing so close to her!?

>>83346633
>Alpha male Kirk shooting phasers, punching Klingons in the face, getting his shirt ripped, then seducing the hot, half naked alien broad.
This is some bizarre alt-history that redditors who never actually watched TOS properly came up with.

>>83346933
keep fighting the good fight anon

>>83345316
Define SJW.

Pro-tip: You can't do it.

>>83348521
Sci-fi was always such a geek xD trash and such a bunch of sluts would pretend to be into it while attacking the Betsy guys who were into it.

>>83346933
saved

>>83348184
>Science fiction has always been male dominated
>one of the most profilic Trek writers, D.C Fontana, most of the scifi community naturally assumed that it would be David Charles instead of Dorothy Catherine.

oh so you're just a moron

>>83349101
>Betsy
???????

Delete your post and don't try again.

>>83347432
Kirk only sleeps with 1 or 2 women in TOS.

>>83346835
>for a 60's show, thats groundbreaking. don't lose the context of the times nigger
>context

That's what your problem is. You are judging different shows by two completely different standards. Based on your "social justice" garbage.

I am not a historian and I'm definitely not an SJW faggot. I don't care about any of that shit. I just want to watch a good Trek show. I want a sensible plot, likable heroes, hatable villains, action, suspense and eye candy. I want it all. That is what made Star Trek great. That's what Trek lost. I'll say it again. Making a good show should always come first.

>>83349004

t. numale redditer faggot

>>83347588
I think you can find some libs who wanna bomb the Russians, so I wouldn't think they've become less warlike.

>>83349234
>>83349246
>tourist carriage returns

>>83349246
t. only knows of TOS through le epic reddit memes

>>83345316
>>83346633
>>83347110

I'm not going to bother arguing that Star Trek has always been SJW because others have already proven that. What I do feel like asking is, what the fuck did the reboot/new series do to offend you so much? Minorities? The original series had that. Mary sue feminism? They had that. Gays? I don't remember but they probably had a few of those as well.

>>83347588
>modern day insane SJW's complaining about cultural appropriation and demanding racial quotas didn't exist until few years ago.
Least intelligent post I've read in a while. Affirmative action has been a thing for decades, and if you were actually sentient in the 80s/90s, you would remember that PC shit was just as big back then. Nowadays you are simply exposed to it more/they are able to assemble more easily thanks to the internet and social media.

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>mfw /pol/ got completely annihilated
i guess this just confirms that most of the people who browse there are underage teenagers

>>83349361
>Star Trek has always been SJW

There were no fucking SJWs in the sixties. They didn't exist back then. Stop assuming that the left has always been the same. That's ignorant. It has gotten much, much worse. Just because there were women in Starfleet doesn't mean Roddenberry was a man hating feminist. Just because blacks were in Starfleet doesn't mean he was an anti-white BLM terrorist supporter. If you cannot see the fucking difference between liberals of 1960 and 2017, then you are too retarded to debate anything.

>>83349985
>There were no fucking SJWs in the sixties.
christ anon do you actually know anything about that decade

>>83349585
Sadly this. Been saying for years that social media is the bane of democracy.

>>83349985
>there were no SJW in the sixties

You were born in 2003, weren't you?

>>83349585
>Least intelligent post I've read in a while. Affirmative action has been a thing for decades, and if you were actually sentient in the 80s/90s, you would remember that PC shit was just as big back then. Nowadays you are simply exposed to it more/they are able to assemble more easily thanks to the internet and social media.

It wasn't as in your face even a decade ago as it is now. Star Trek follows liberalism and it's process of turning into complete opposite what they used stand for in the past.

http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-politics-of-star-trek/

>>83350189
>It wasn't as in your face even a decade ago as it is now
Right, it wasn't "in your face" as much because you simply did not have as much exposure to the world as a whole - Of course things will be much more visible if you use the internet daily. I guarantee if you stopped using the internet for a year you would almost totally forget that SJWs even exist.

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>>83345316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ

If you guys haven't seen this give this a watch. These guys are always reliable and it gives good insight to the nightmare that this shit is going to be.


It's neither in the prime timeline or kelvin timeline because they didn't want to be bogged down in continuity. This is why Bryan Fuller left, and other writers for star trek as well.

Enjoy.

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>it's a /pol/ thread

>>83345539
Not really. Trek was very positivist and embraced western enlightenment values and basically being superior to all others. "SJWism" (or whatever you want to call it) is decidedly post-modernist, which sees western culture and values as inherently imperialist and exploitative and rejects positivism outright.

>>83350189
>>>It didn't exist!
>>Yes it did.
>Okay, it did exist, but that doesn't count because it wasn't as in your face!
Lol.

>>83345833
Neither, it's officially in it's own. Watch
>>83350266

>>83346633
>Alpha Male Kirk
When Kirk's academy buddies show up on the Enterprise they make fun of him for being a big nerd in school that was too stuck in his books to notice women. Another time, McCoy remarks that Kirk is too in love with his ship and mission to let a woman get in the way.

>Shooting phasers
Literally everybody shoots phasers including women and POC characters

>punching Klingons in the face
Never happened. Scotty got into a brawl with Klingons, and when Kirk got word of it he lined up every officer involved in the fight and tore them all new assholes for conduct unbecoming of Starfleet.

>getting his shirt ripped
What is your point

>seducing the hot half naked alien broad
Kirk seduces a few female aliens as a tactic to escape or save fellow crewmen from danger. There's no indication that he sleeps with any of them. There are several women characters that show up and remark on having long term stable relationships with Kirk in the past that always fell apart because Kirk was too busy with work.

The alpha male man's man cowboy Kirk is a myth, nothing in the actual material supports it.

>>83350266
>It's neither in the prime timeline or kelvin timeline because they didn't want to be bogged down in continuity
What a load of shit.

>>83350189
The only reason why is because the internet didn't exist back then. If all you browse is /pol/ and watch videos bitching about SJWs all day long of course it's going to be in your fucking face

>>83350341
Watch the video. This is why all the main star trek veterans left. Also they were giving Michael Dorn literally 1% of the money he made in the old star trek. He left the series as well, he was going to play Worf's ancestor.

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>>83345316
>Recomend me some redpilled scifi

Watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

>>83350378
Meant "What a load of shit." in terms of my reaction to this information, not "What a load of shit." disputing the veracity of this information.

>>83350453
Oh word, it makes me really sad honestly.

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>>83350013
>>83350176

Thank you for completely proving my point. You are ignorant. There were no SJWs. There were hippies. If you can't see the difference between the two, then you are utterly retarded.

SJWs are so evil that they make dirty hippies look good in comparison. At least hippies believed in "free love". If an SJW was at Woodstock, they would call the cops and have all the men arrested for fucking women high on drugs.

>tfw knowing you'll eventually add Trek to filters because every Trekthread is going to be like this and it also doesn't matter because the show isn't even as canon as TAS

>>83348420
I think every series except maybe DS9 has a Nazi episode

>>83350486
Stop getting your knowledge of the 60s from stereotypes created decades later.

>>83350266
>>83350310
Please stop posting your videos here. They are always quite cringeworthy. Your organization (you refer to yourself as "we", but is there really more than one of you?) is a mess, you've even lost ownership of your own domain because you're such an amateur shitshow.

All your outlandish rumors never have a source. I can understand if the original leaker wants to stay anonymous, but you could at least have the journalistic integrity to name an intermediary. Perhaps "a leaker told Variety" or "a trusted source told Entertainment Weekly" or even "an industry insider told us" would do, but instead every rumor seems to spring from thin air. Or perhaps from your ass.

And quite frankly, you've thoroughly discredited yourself after the last narrative you were pushing was that STD wouldn't even happen at all. Now that it is happening, it might be a shitshow, but the least you could do is acknowledge your shame and slink away with your tail between your legs.

For your own sake, for all our sakes, consider stopping.

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>>83346044
Would rewatch.

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>>83350253
>>83350298
>>83350358

Difference is that modern day liberals are quite a lot more radical and insane than liberals of the past. What is modern mainstream liberal is what was considered loonie fringe just couple decades ago. Same applies to other end of political spectrum.

Being moderate right winger is now considered nazi. In 90's to count as nazi person had to be pic related.

>>83350512
Nothing in TNG.

>>83350578
Kek I literally just watched the video yesterday because it popped in my recommended. The first part is 100% fact, he even states that the second half is rumors and should be taken with a grain of salt.

This garbage is awful, but at least we know how bad it actually is. When cast members, Fuller and other special effect houses who worked on Star Trek prime leave then you know they fucked up big time. It's in it's own timeline for fucksake. It's over, you can stop shilling this shit.

>>83350486
I'm not hearing a denial of being born in 2003. Get the fuck off my board, you underage fuck.

>>83345816
>SGA
>Rodneeeeey! Did you blow up another universe again?!
>I'm gonna squirt so much lemon juice on you!

Kino. Pure kino.

>>83350378
Dorn didn't "leave" Discovery, he looked at the offer they made for him to cameo, which was 1% of what he made to play Worf in Star Trek: Nemesis, and declined to sign on.

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>>83346633
It sounds wonderful. Wish the new show was more like this.

>>83350683
I said this.

>>83350593
Can Lexx be considered red pill? In the 3rd season nearly every episode on Earth is a satire of conservatives

This was back in the day when liberals were shitting themselves over Bush, if only they could see our guy now.

>>83350642
>he even states that the second half is rumors and should be taken with a grain of salt.
But where are the rumors coming from? Is there ANYBODY outside of you who is sharing the same rumors that you are?

Fuller is the only confirmed veteran to leave. Dorn was never officially involved, it was just under consideration. The rest is rumors that you made up.

>>83350734
I am not making the videos you paranoid retard. I am just posting them, the first part is the most important aspect of the video because it is 100% fact. You cannot disprove what is said that is the bulk of the argument over why this show is a complete and utter failure.

Go ahead and prove 1 fact wrong in the pre rumor part of the video.

I'll wait.

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Farscape

The man with the galaxy destroying machine makes the rules.

>>83350778
Why would he attempt to disprove the non-rumor part of the video? What exactly are you intending to prove with that? It's the "rumor" half that's more than likely BS.

>>83350866
No fucking shit, but the video literally states it should be taken with a grain of salt. The non-rumor part of it is the worst part. So that's what I'm focusing on.

>>83350778
I have no dispute with the pre-rumors section other than: "Who cares?"

You really think that STD will be a failure because Michael Dorn isn't in it?

The only part that bothers me is that all your rumors have no sources.

>>83350911
But you were saying this show is going to suck because it's in its own timeline, which is an unexplained, unsourced rumor

>>83350911
And (You) are telling us that we should treat those rumors as facts.

>It's neither in the prime timeline or kelvin timeline because they didn't want to be bogged down in continuity. This is why Bryan Fuller left, and other writers for star trek as well.
Fuck off.

>>83350799
Please

Pretty please

With a cherry on top.

>>83350486

There is no difference between hippie and SJW because "SJW" is a new ulous and arbitrary term that basically means "someone who's championing a cause I don't like".

Did you know that hippie was a negative connotation back then?

>>83347432
Sansa!?

>>83346969
Then why /pol/ is freaking out?
Everything seems normal. The white male is on the center and the showrunners give themselves a pad on the shoulder for diversity

>>83351063
>Then why /pol/ is freaking out?
When has /pol/ ever been NOT freaking out?

They don't care about Star Trek, they just want something to complain about.

>>8335091
Retard I am not making these videos. And watch the video again till the rumor part.

Fuller left

No prime timeline or kelvin timeline because of this.

The test audiences hate the first episode.

Fuller wanted it to be visually different that the original star trek, but he was forced out, the same CEO that cancelled voyager and enterprise and giving it to two unrelated people.

The Reboot is confirmed as using Sarek as the focal point to completely wipe the entire timeline and making it's own. This is fact.

The effects company were taken off the project, so noone who actually worked on star trek are working on the story, or even the effects.

Writers left, the show has been delayed multiple times.

The cast was changed yet again after these delays, and existing cast members changing and being reshuffled. Bad sign when they are in 4 months of filming.

Dorn was offered less than 1% of his pay and left.

>>83349585
To my understanding there was a wave of SJW-ism in the late 80s/early 90s similar to what we're seeing now but it quickly died off. George H.W. Bush actually gave a speech about the dangers of suppressing free speech on college campuses when he was president. I wasn't alive at the time though.

>>83349234
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>83350916
>>83350985


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>>83351119

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>>83346044

It's a shame so many people don't like Lexx, I really think it was charming with great characters and some pretty unique ideas and episodes. Really interesting stuff and very engaging despite an obvious budget problem and the last season being a bit weak.

Plus Stan is the fucking man.

>>83350416
I can't find a high quality torrent of this on any of the new Nyaas. Help me out?

>>83351119
>Fuller left
Fact.

>No prime timeline or kelvin timeline because of this.
Rumor.

>The test audiences hate the first episode.
Rumor.

>Fuller wanted it to be visually different that the original star trek,
Rumor.

>but he was forced out, the same CEO that cancelled voyager and enterprise and giving it to two unrelated people.
Voyager wasn't canceled, you fucking casual.

>The Reboot
Rumor.

>is confirmed as using Sarek
Fact

>as the focal point to completely wipe the entire timeline and making it's own. This is fact.
Rumor.

Could you stop with the rumors, please?

Go fix your website.

This is absolutely unacceptable:
http://midnightsedge.net/

>>83351233
Again I am just posting the video, who cares where the information comes from?

They have always been good and accurate with their videos especially in regards to the sony and spiderman debacle and ghostbusters.

Why do you not like them so much lol?

>>83349985
That's beside the point, what about the newer installments has upset you some much? How have the reboots been more sjw than the originals?

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>>83350683

I'll doubt it is about Dorn demanding big budget movie salary. I'm pretty sure his salary expectation were in line with what he was paid on TV-shows. Trek actors have had contracts about appearances in future Star Trek shows. TNG actors appearing in Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise.

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>>83345316
>tfw when trying to find non-leftist sci-fi literature

>>83351233
Provide sources retard that disprove it. If you truly know your shit you would do it and end the argument. Stop shilling this shit.

>>83351119
>Fuller left
Okay

>No prime timeline or Kelvin timeline because of this
Citation needed

>The test audiences hate the first episode
Citation needed

>Fuller wanted it to be visually different that the original Star Trek
Okay

>But he was forced out
Citation needed

>The same CEO
CEO of what? What is this CEO's name?

>that cancelled Voyager
Voyager wasn't cancelled

>giving it to two unrelated people
They're not unrelated at all, they both worked under Fuller previously

>The reboot is confirmed...
Confirmed by who/what

>This is fact
Citation needed

>The effects Company were taken off the project
Name of company? Taken off or left?

>No one who actually worked on Star Trek are working on the story
Name some people who are working on the story for me.

>or the effects
Literally who cares

>Dorn was offered less than 1% of his pay and left
He didn't leave, he never signed on, there is a difference

Fuck. I wish I weren't bound by NDA.

One anon ITT is on to something.

>>83351377
the CEO is Less Moonves, CBS chief.


The effect company that they used for all star trek shows have left. Do you wonder why klingons look why they do? The effects look like shit, and the design looks awful.

>>83351280
>I'm totally unaffiliated, I swear! I just watched the video yesterday because it popped in my recommended!
>Oh by the way, I subscribe and watch ALL of their videos. They're the best!
Ha ha ha.

>Why do you not like them so much lol?
Because you're sharing rumors without a source, and telling us to treat them as fact.

>>83351340
I just did disprove a claim. Voyager wasn't canceled.

Now you provide a source for your rumors.

>>83351340
Dude you dropped this horseshit fan rumor video in the thread, it's not on us to "disprove it", it's on you to say why any of it is worth a damn.

>>83351425
Thank you.
>>83351440
I meant enterprise, I put voyager by accident.

Again retard I am not making the video.

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>>83345583

>he seems to think that penultimate means something like "very ultimate"

>>83351461
Everything in the first part of the video is true. Watch it or not.

>>83351471
You seem to have a lot of "accidents".

>noone who actually worked on star trek are working on the story,
Joe Menosky and Nicholas Meyer aren't working on the story?

>>83351149
>there was a wave of SJW-ism in the late 80s/early 90s similar to what we're seeing now but it quickly died off
It never died off and you're wrong.

>>83351503
But you've been telling us to treat the entire video as true.

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farscape is the ultimate patrician scifi

>>83351503
...and everything in the second half is unconfirmed, sourceless bullshit, again what is your point about bringing up the first half?

>>83346633
>always male entertainment
The term Mary Sue was created because TOS fanfiction written by women.

>>83351562
I have said multiple, multiple times that the first part is factual, and he says in the second part of the video that they are rumors to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>83351585

>>>83351503
Because I was always focusing on the first half. And their rumors hold up under scrutiny time and time again. Just because you don't want to trust their shit doesn't mean that they don't get good information. Most of it is almost always true.

>>83351542
Well regardless it's clearly escalated. You can't seriously say there's ever been as much open anti-straight white male rhetoric as there is now.

>>83346044
YO-WA-YO

>>83351433
Dude the effects Company that worked on previous Star Trek shows was mediocre as hell. They managed to get some memorable designs out on a budget, that doesn't make them sacred.

>>83351646
The video says to take them with a grain of salt. (You) say to believe them about everything, even though they have no source. (You) need to fuck off.

>>83351674
The practicals added to the ambiance of the show. Why not build on the original aesthetic of the series and make it better? So because the effects are outdated we should move to the JJ trek? Are you fucking insane?

>>83347623
Where were you last year?

>>83351710
No you fucking retard after the first part it says to take the second part as rumor, he states this about 5:41 seconds in. Again you are retarded, watch the first part and don't embarrass yourself by spouting nonsense.

>>83351717
It'll be JJ Trek because of set design, costume design and cinematography.

Not because of special effects.

>>83351782
Special effects also extends to the alien design, prosthetics, using practical ships. It isn't just photon effects. It's everything that is trek.

>>83351756
So are you admitting that (You) and the video are the same person?

Because I just said
>The video says to take them with a grain of salt.
So I don't see why else you think you're correcting me just now.

>>83351863
I have been stating bullet points of the first half of the video. Which are not rumors. Again you are retarded.

>>83351884
You've been stating that it takes place in its own timeline.

That's part of the rumors section.

>>83351647
>anti straight white male rhetoric
That's an idiotic misinterpretation of the purpose of social justice movements. Unfortunately it's a misinterpretation shared by some of the people who call themselves part of the movement, as well as by the average mouth breathers of /pol/. The purpose is not to discriminate against the individuals in a group with power and privilege, it's to restructure the system that grants unfair amounts of power and privilege to a specific group based on arbitrary conditions like sex and ethnicity.

>>83351647
You're right, but are you non-college? This is has been percolating in academia for decades and anyone who's been would know it

>>83351901
No it's also part of the first section in which they don't want it to be bogged down by continuity.

>>83351647
Again, because the internet is a thing. College protests complaining about shit like this is nothing new, you've just been exposed to more of it because you browse shit that talks about it online and see footage of it.

>>83351824
>alien design, prosthetics,
Uh, no? The special effects company follows the specifications from the production designers, they don't come up with the designs themselves. They are also not responsible for wardrobe and makeup.

That belongs to people like Herman Zimmerman and Andrew Probert and Michael Westmore, not effects companies like ILM and Digital Muse.

You have no idea how Star Trek works.

>>83352071
>Herman Zimmerman


None of them are in the new series. They aren't using past effect houses for anything in the new show.

>>83351939
Not getting bogged down is not a claim that it's in its own continuity.

That's you and your video pulling shit from your ass.

You've also been telling us that Sarek is the source for the diverging timelines, even though that's also just part of the rumors section.

>>83350578

The Midnight youtubers were completely right about feminist Ghostbusters. They were right about the DC universe shit show. After watching CBS' trailer, it looks like they were completely right about STD. I will listen to them over you.

They were right about Axanar. That's fucking Star Trek. If CBS was smart, they would cancel STD and buy Axanar. How are youtubers making better shows than network mega-corporations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA

>>83352113
The point is that Herman Zimmerman was a production designer, not a special effects guru. He's part of the team that made Star Trek what it was, not the special effects company.

So all your complaining about special effects not being the same is a pointless distraction.

>>83352156
Exactly, thank you.
>>83352132
They are almost always right. Why would it change here? because you want it to be good?>>83352190
Fuller left for a reason, there is undoubtedly drama behind the scenes and this shit has delayed the show, caused multiple recastings, and is creating a rumor mill of the turmoil this show is facing. It's going to be shit.

Is there any way we could tone down the hostility here?

>>83345316
>went full SJW
>went
Anon, the word you're looking for is "remained". Rodenberry was almost over-the-top with his progressive views

>>83348353
Dummy the kiss could have been with anyone but they made it her because they wanted to be progressive. You should look up the history of that episode.

>>83352229
I also think that it's going to be shit, but I'm at least willing to wait until it comes out before I make up my mind.

What you're doing is taking rumors without sources, and you're telling people to believe those rumors as if they were fully-sourced facts. And here's the thing about rumor mills: ANYBODY can create a rumor. So maybe STD is creating these rumors and maybe Midnight's Edge (You) is creating these rumors, but we can't tell the difference without a source.

So until it comes out, just fuck off with this bullshit about taking place in its own timeline.

>>83348611
50 shekels have been deposited goy. Continue with phase 2.

>>83352421
Rainier Wolfcastle

>>83351903
(You)

>>83352384
Again you fucking moron I didn't create the video. But they are 90% maybe even higher with all the information that they say on their youtube channel. I presented fucking facts in the beginning of that video but you keep saying to take the whole video with a grain of salt. There is trouble in this show behind the scenes, there is no denying this.

If they are almost always right with their sources why would we stop believing them now? Fuck off already.

>>83352357
Stop fucken telling me to read books and look up shit

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>>83351063
>why /pol/ is freaking out?

Because /pol/ puts SJWs to shame in their reactionary identity politics on things they haven't even seen

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>>83351377
>Name of company? Taken off or left?

Apparently in house division. Doug Drexler discusses Discovery trainwreck briefly on first couple minutes. Doesn't go into details probably due to his buddies having NDAs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcJDhqJe2Z4

>>83346633
confirmed for never watching TOS

>>83352468
You have been presenting the video's facts AND the video's rumors, you have been mixing them together, and you have been telling us to believe them equally. There is no source that Sarek is the focal point of a new timeline, but here in this thread you told us that it is a fact.

Please do not backpedal and hide behind the "grain of salt" again.

>I don't even know these guys, they just popped up in my feed
>I do know these guys, they're the most accurate source on the internet
>watch this video, it's all true, it's all in the video, believe it all
>woah dude, don't take it like that, have a grain of salt, just turn off your brain lol
Since you continue to be inconsistent, I have zero reason to believe that you aren't them.

>>83352716
I consistently stated what was said in the first half of the video. Not only that they are always almost right, I don't even know when the last time they WERE wrong you moron. Seriously to not believe them even in the rumor part of the video is foolish because more often than not they are right on the money.

Fuck off.

>>83352630
>I refuse to watch The Expanse because I thought my friends and I would work on it, but now we're not.
>I refuse to watch Discovery because I thought my friends and I would work on it, but now we're not.
Wow, what a trainwreck.

>>83352788
>I consistently stated what was said in the first half of the video.
Sarek causing a new timeline is part of the rumors section.

Please do not lie again.

>>83352876
I still said that the kelvin timeline and primetimeline would not be used in the new show. This is fact. That's a small nitpick considering that they are almost always accurate and dead on the money.

You are just a sad Star Trek shill that is literally ok with eating shit as long as you can watch it.

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Lel.

I wonder how many takes they went through until giving up and saying "whatever, it'll have to do".

>>83352958
>I still said that the kelvin timeline and primetimeline would not be used in the new show. This is fact.
That's a rumor.

Please do not lie again.

>>83352384
>rumors
>rumor

Midnight's Edge "rumors" about the klingons were completely right. They look like ass. Midnight's "rumors" about the uniforms and bridge were completely right. Dark, lens flares and tilted cameras. Even if you don't believe people that are always right, at least open your fucking eyes. STD is another shitty reboot. Even the Orville parody show looks more Trek than STD. You can tell McFarlane is a Trekkie. The STD show runner, whoever that is this week, doesn't know the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars.

>>83352983
Prove me wrong. Honestly you are still focusing on one thing even though you can't actually disprove it. Again they are almost always right so why should we stop believing them now?

>>83353056
You made the claim. Prove yourself correct. Where is a source that it's in a new timeline?

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>insecure little white boys posting here each time they're triggered

fuck off back to your containment board

>>83352842
>Wow, what a trainwreck.

Dismissing entire visual effects team out of the blue is kinda asshole action from management. Doug was never personally involved with STD. If you would be adult You probably would understand that stuff like that leaves a mark on person.

Effects people are hardly only ones that have been fired during the production.

Big part of why Trek became a successful franchise is the fact that there is continuity on massive level from 60's to early 2000's in both themes of stories and visual design. Starting from TOS-movies they had lot of Trekkies who understood the stuff they worked with involved in production on all levels. Existing fan base is the reason why Trek has lasted for 50 years, seems like people running the STD and Jar Jar failed to understand this.

>>83352477
Book-reading should be mandatory. When I purchase this website from Hiro, I'm going to ban all /trek/ posters who haven't read at least one behind-the-scenes book about Star Trek.

>>83350617
>Difference is that modern day liberals are quite a lot more radical and insane than liberals of the past.

Try googling Weather Underground or opening a history book. You might learn something and stop being a fucking idiot online.

>>83346933
now THIS is how its done

>>83346933
lol you made him cry like a little bitch in every post after this one

>>83346933

this. so much this.

>>83346933

savage.. much respect family

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>>83353506
>Try googling Weather Underground or opening a history book. You might learn something and stop being a fucking idiot online.

Do you realize that Weathermen were a tiny insane fringe group. The 800 people they could rally on the Day of Rage protests weren't their members, but not that radicalized students and shieet. If you want another tiny fringe group try Symbionese Liberation Army... 22 fucking members.

>>83345859
>>83345886
Have they had a crossover yet or are the producers still blueballing us?

>>83353572
>>83353704
>>83353736
>>83353770
>samefagging against a post by falseflagging as if you were samefagging in favor of the post
This is surely an orchestrated event meant to affect a specific change.

>>83346957
>Star Trek was always a science fiction nerd thing from the start
>Was years before the concept of space soap opera was a thing
>Wasn't even retroactively one when you look at it
>Closest thing the franchise ever had to being one was DS9's continuity

What the hell are you smoking?

>>83353704
>>83353736
>>83353770
Fuck off, samefag.

>>83353882

it's extremely humourous that you have to build elaborate conspiracies to protect your fragile psyche on 4chan of all places

>>83353882
>>83353952
samefag

>>83353882
deepest lore

>>83353984
That meme turned 1 year old this month. I hope you remembered to celebrate.

>you will never be a star trek fan in 1971 playing star trek the game by printing each successive screen on paper following every command

>>83353819

Yes, they were small, but you don't see similar left-wing radical bombing activity today, now do you?

>>83353965
fuck off already, everybody knows you samefagged your post to hell and back

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>>83354054
>Yes, they were small, but you don't see similar left-wing radical bombing activity today, now do you?

Because their modern equivalents are very much involved in running academia and quite prevalent in media. Also Antifa is black blocks are the leading source of political violence in western countries, but they are just rioters.

In other parts of the world like South America outfits like FARC are still quite active.

>>83345316
It was always SJW. They never made a huge deal out of it, which is why it did it so well in the first place. Now they're making a huge deal of it when it isn't even relevant. CBS is far and fucking away from the front lines of any worthwhile social movement these days.

>>83354332
>CBS is far and fucking away from the front lines of any worthwhile social movement these days

No, CBS has if anything been in competition with Fox for having the most conservative television series (NCIS and Jag come to mind), it's ABC that has always been the "we'll be progressive, even if it actively costs us money".

Flops like "When we rise" have been made since the 80s, even when they know they'll loose money on it. Why Disney bought them and allows that shit to happen in defiance of their conventional "all of the money" approach to business is beyond me.

>>83354332
>Now they're making a huge deal of it when it isn't even relevant.
The people shilling for STD are making a smaller deal of it than the people shilling against STD, to be honest. I hear more about diversity and politics from the latter than the former.

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>I'm right because someone who disagrees with me hurt somebody

I thought this was the Star Trek thread. You guys would be a Tellarite political science professor's midnight snack.

>>83354228
>Because their modern equivalents are very much involved in running academia and quite prevalent in media.
And they weren't back in the 70s? Do you think that the college students who formed the Weatherman did so in a void?

>Also Antifa is black blocks are the leading source of political violence in western countries, but they are just rioters.
Upturned trash cans and smashed windows aren't quite dynamiting the Pentagon.

>In other parts of the world like South America outfits like FARC are still quite active.
We're talking about the first world, not failed states.

>>83354432
I think it stems from the fact the creators of the show had the fact they where having diversity hires for the cast not only be a thing, but for some time was literally the only thing we knew about it.

This series had a failure in marketing that rivals its failures in production

>>83351063
>The white male is on the center
No he isn't, Isaacs is going to be little more than a cameo, from day 1 they've being saying the XO is the main character.

>>83345316
Star Trek has never been sci-fi. There is no sci in there fi.

>>83354611
The first season of TNG is fucking awesome. Cryonics, nanotech, immortality, ASFR, space africans, autofacs, hiveminds all get exploratory episodes and it's all amazing.

>>83354488
Chalk it up to TV execs trying to seriously get feedback from the internet for the first time ever. As soon as someone inevitably brought it up, they circled and underlined it in red as a hot button issue and oriented everything around diversity instead of an actual plot or characters.

>>83354592
That doesn't mean little more than a cameo. TNG was originally envisioned with Riker as the main character, but we all know how things worked out in the end.

>>83354611
Any sufficiently etc.

It's more about scientific ethics, with the science being more of a "hey this button will ignite a planet's atmosphere, is that ethical" rhetorical tool.

>>83354669
The fact they opened with that shows they intended it from the start, and if they actually cared about making a successful product they'd have tried to cater to a market that actually watches/buys Trek stuff

>>83354652
Do they still shake from side to side every time the ship is hit? Do they sit in fancy chairs and ignore the gravity? Do they fly in straight lines? That's not sci-fi, that's fantasy in a space setting. They just swap magic with science and call it a day.

>>83354740
>they'd have tried to cater to a market that actually watches/buys Trek stuff
Hard left boomers, minorities and women?

>>83354740
Well, they didn't open with that. They opened with "it exists". That's just when you personally started paying attention.

>>83354768
TNG S1 was Star Trek perfected, The Twilight Zone with a recurring cast and milieu, a science fiction fan's -- and writer's -- dream.

>Star Trek was always SJW
Name one episode where Kirk checks his privilege
Name one episode where Kirk advocates dismantling the Federation because borders are racist
Name one time Kirk made menstruation pancakes.

>>83354740
Their intention from the start was to make money, dipshit. That is never not the case in any of the anything anyone ever starts a SJW argument about.

>>83354795
No, normies and nerds. Sure some are hard left boomers, minorites and women, but at the end of the day most where just normies and nerds, many of whom just happened to be women or minorities (though given the demos most where neither even if both where significant).

I mean who the hell do you think is going to pay 8$ to have the ability to watch 13 episodes of a Trek series for a 30 day period? The answer is mostly men who are between 18-64 who are already into Trek to begin with. Sure they won't be the only ones, but they'll sure be the majority.

>>83354827
>and writer's -- dream.
The writers hated it because Gene would rewrite the scripts behind their backs.

Or when Gene was on vacation/in rehab/in the hospital, his lawyer would rewrite the scripts behind their back.

>>83348521
>woman runs a business right into the ground

Sounds about right.

>>83354893
That's speculation on your part. We'll see what happens. Literally every one of my secretaries is buzzing about the upcoming Star Trek series. It's Game of Thrones tier chatter.

>>83354883
>Their intention from the start was to make money, dipshit

Then why target a demographic that has consistently shown itself to not spend time/money on things like this even when it actively caters to them? Especially when alienating a market that is known for being the most brand loyal to this type of stuff?

This is like the comic industry's problem spreading to other industries.

>>83345316

Space: Above and Beyond
I just want someone, anyone to care about this show desu

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>>83354835
Name one episode where Kirk was the first white man to kiss a black woman on television.

>>83354947
I tried to watch it but it fucking sucks.

>>83354893
>I mean who the hell do you think is going to pay 8$ to have the ability to watch 13 episodes of a Trek series for a 30 day period?
Boomers (especially female boomers) who already subscribe to CBS All Access for 24/7 NCIS.

And of course, it'll be on Netflix outside of America. Everybody has Netflix. Even boomers. Their kids helped them set up an account.

>>83354938
>It's Game of Thrones tier chatter

Jesus, I didn't realize stupid marketing really was that effective at getting stupid people to buy their crap.

Though we'll have to wait and see what happens when they realize there's an 8$ paywall between them and the show.

>>83354652
>>83354611
The truth is I gave the answer to these hu-mans!
t. yankee traders

>>83351280
>Why do you not like them so much lol?
This thread is either full of marketers, trolls or tumblr.

>>83354975
>Boomers (especially female boomers) who already subscribe to CBS All Access for 24/7 NCIS

One of the reasons this show is even being made is because CBS All Access is an unmitigated failure up to this point.

For god sake its numbers are rivalled by Crunchyroll.

Also, while Netflix is big, remember that most of its audience is still American, and the things people are complaining about in regards to the series are ones that outside of English speaking nations tends to be looked very negatively upon.

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>>83354968

>BLEACHes Uhura
>tells her to immediately go back to answering the phones

>>83355040
My mom and dad love watching NCIS together, it's exciting and keeps them up to date on relevant threats.

>>83350486
Moron.

>>83354939
Because it's ultimately less money out of their pockets to let feminists fight their battles on the internet instead of in court for some random household product made by the parent conglomerate that controls their retirement stock options.

Whine about muh art and muh justice and muh kino all you want, that's why and nothing anyone here does will change this specific instance or the general trends that cause this to be a recurring situation.

>>83355040
>One of the reasons this show is even being made is because CBS All Access is an unmitigated failure up to this point.
>For god sake its numbers are rivalled by Crunchyroll.
That's not a failure. It's printing money.

Crunchyroll has to pay to license its series, but CBS All Access got them for free. Crunchyroll has a tech-literate subscriber base, but CBS All Access got its numbers despite their tech-illiterate demographic. If you're comparing the two, CBS All Access comes out ahead.

>>83355210
>CBS: Better than Crunchyroll. Take that, NBC!

The ad campaign writes itself.

>>83355206
So this trend will run out when the money that isn't coming in does?

>>83354827
>a science fiction fan's -- and writer's -- dream.

That is why they had 30 or so writers in first season alone. 25 were fired or walked away.

>>83354968
There isn't one, read a book instead of blogs ;)

https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/57324/was-kirk-and-uhuras-kiss-in-star-trek-really-the-first-interracial-kiss-on-tv

>>83345462
There is no better answer.

>>83355293
I'm just saying. Consider the following:

>Website A gets 50k in gross revenue, but after paying off the budget of 45k there is only 5k in net revenue.
>Website B gets 45k in gross revenue, but after paying off the budget of 5k there is only 40k in net revenue.

If you're telling me that CBS All Access has similar numbers to Crunchyroll, then CBS All Access is a massive success, because it costs a lot less to run CBS All Access (thanks to licensing fees) than it costs to run Crunchyroll.


The numbers are imaginary, but hopefully you get the point.

>>83355210
Crunchyroll has a very niche market: those who want to pay to watch anime or Asian dramas

CBS has a about as large of a market as one can get: the complete work of an entire broadcaster

The fact the two are toe to toe is simultaneously a failure for CBS and a success for Crunchyroll. The fact that Crunchyroll has accomplished this when catering to a niche known for not only being tech savvy, but for piracy of the entertainment it consumes, only adds to that.

>>83355422
See >>83355414. Thanks to licensing fees, CBS makes more money per-customer than their competition.

Just ran the numbers, I've won 84% of the arguments I've engaged in in this thread. Not bad.

>>83355464
Provide a source.

>>83346933

Don't fuck with trekkies

They will beat you with their superior autism

>>83355495
Down to 81% now, thanks.

>>83355414
>he numbers are imaginary, but hopefully you get the point

You're forgetting about the Opportunity Cost, that's where CBS all access is an unmitigated failure. Sure, it's likely making more money then Crunchyroll (not that Crunchyroll ever had a realistic chance of having more revenue), but here's the thing, the point was for scale.

CBS, the largest network, can't with its leviathan library decades old get a larger subscriber count then a website dedicated to a small niche. There is, without a doubt, CBS executives who are furious over the fact the show doesn't have an order of magnitude more subscribers.

>>83355548
>CBS all access is an unmitigated failure
How is it a failure if they're making money on it?

>There is, without a doubt, CBS executives who are furious over the fact the show doesn't have an order of magnitude more subscribers.
Yes, of course, but it still turns a profit.

"We want our profit to be bigger" shouldn't be taken to mean "Our service is a failure".

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>>83345539
>>83347110

SJWs are a cult who believe themselves to be morally superior to all. Those they perceive to be treated unjustly are propelled forward as those with inherent privilege are cast aside. Join or die.

Star Trek is based in meritocracy. Your accomplishments are your only reward. Your skin color, race, species or gender had absolutely no bearing on whether or not they got the captain's seat.

This kills the SJW.

>>83355613
>How is it a failure if they're making money on it?
>"We want our profit to be bigger" shouldn't be taken to mean "Our service is a failure".

That's how Opportunity Cost works in the business world. While outright flops are obvious examples of a failure, other failures also exist beyond that.

Ghostbusters (2016) made a profit, but it was a failure because it didn't meet projected goals, and even worst, had the money just been left in the bank the interest on it would have made a larger profit.

Another example is City of Heroes, which was profitable for 100% of its duration, yet because it was only making 2% of the company's revenue, it was axed so that the effort and resources could be placed into something else that would make more money.

CBS All Access is a failure due to Opportunity Cost. Yes, it's profitable, but so is almost every movie and television series that's considered a financial failure or gets cancelled. The failure doesn't stem from it being a financial loss, it stems from the fact it's getting but a fraction of what it by all metrics should be making.

Hell with Star Trek this actually killed the new movies. The reason it was made the way it was stems from the fact that the success of the Avengers had executives seeing 600 million not as 200 million in profit, but 1.3 million in lost opportunity cost.

Again, there is, with 100% certainty, at least a few executives at CBS who are furious over All Access underperforming.

All arguments aside, we're going to support new Trek and pay for it, right?

The fake news that Discovery isn't canon has been dispensed with so there's no reason not to support Star Trek series by paying money to watch it. Even if you have problems with the initial configuration, paying for access is the best way to have your complaints addressed and to show your love of Star Trek.

>>83355794
That's horrible logic. If it sucks and is outright shit, even the worst thing ever made, doing this will only ensure that we get more of that, which is even worst then getting nothing.

There's a reason why Stargate fans celebrated when the reboot of that was shelved.

>>83355877
*whoosh*

>>83355905
Sorry I didn't see you where joking when saying something like that in a thread that has had people state worst without a hint of it being a joke

>>83355781
>Again, there is, with 100% certainty, at least a few executives at CBS who are furious over All Access underperforming.
I never disagreed with you on that.

I'm just telling you're comparing apples and oranges. Ghostbusters and CoH have massive budgets that are extremely difficult to pay off. There's a huge effort and huge expense involved in making them work.

There's no effort and no expense involved in making CBS All Access work. All Access has a minuscule budget that was paid off after the first ten subscribers. All Access did't have to pay for production, for marketing, for licensing, for distribution, for anything. All that All Access has to pay for is bandwidth.

STD is the first series that All Access will produce itself. If it fails, they'll just go back to their current model of massive success instead of shutting down the entire service.

>>83356061
to love another person is to see the face of God

>>83356061
>If it fails, they'll just go back to their current model of massive success instead of shutting down the entire service

Who said anything about shutting down the service? It being a failure doesn't automatically mean that.

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Star Trek has always been SJW you stupid shit.
The whole premise of the show is that
>Utopian Socialism works
>Space Communism works
Feminism, LGBT, Identity Politics, Racism as a concept, are all inventions of Utopian Socialism and Communism/Marxism.

The only thing different about Star Trek series is that they focused on a specific Socialist/Communist buzzword which was mainstream at the time.
Today it is Freebleeding Feminism.

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>>83355414

CBS All Access is disaster because they are launching years too late and market has already been divided mostly between Amazon and Netflix.

>>83355794
>All arguments aside, we're going to support new Trek and pay for it, right?

I'll give it a chance, but given news and rumors around it... it will probably suck.

>The fake news that Discovery isn't canon has been dispensed with so there's no reason not to support Star Trek series by paying money to watch it.

It is almost certain that show is being micromanaged by management that doesn't really understand modern audiences or internet.

>Even if you have problems with the initial configuration, paying for access is the best way to have your complaints addressed and to show your love of Star Trek.

Suits running the show doesn't give a fuck about audience, only complaint they understand is one that hurts their profits. The thing that kept Trek running for 50 years are Trekkies.

>>83356061
>Ghostbusters and CoH have massive budgets that are extremely difficult to pay off
Star Trek Discovery has 15 episodes with a budget of between 6 and 7 million per episode (90 - 105 million), marketing probably hasn't cost them that much, or if it has they got fucked in the ass, but there's all the costs of losing staff along the way, and initial investments.

That's very similar to the budget of Ghostbusters ($144 million), STDs only saving grace is they probably got most of their budget back from the Netflix deal alone.

>>83356250

Trek is meritocracy, exact opposite of identity politics.

>>83351570
OH mah GAAAAAAAHD

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Reminder that TOS was literally the first time someone got BLACKED on television.

>>83356314
Explain Troi

>>83356314
Meritocracy is not analogous to identity politics beyond the very narrow definitions you have of identity politics because you are only experienced in discussing only that one thing over the Internet.

Don't strip a rock from the Moon and proclaim the rock the whole Moon.

Meritocracy has different views from different Socialist/Communist subdivisions.

>>83346633
>ywn fuck a soul into an android
Kirk was the man.

>>83356372

Captains need some incompetent people as yard sticks that they can reflect their own excellence to their own superiors.

>>83356382
>Meritocracy is not analogous to identity politics beyond the very narrow definitions you have of identity politics because you are only experienced in discussing only that one thing over the Internet.

Is Benjamin Sisko captain because he is black or because he is competent officer? Is Geordi being chief engineer of starfleet flagship because he crippled nigger or due to being damn good engineer?

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>>83348521
The world needs more unauthorized oral Trek screencaps.

>>83345316
This doesn't look bad because it's a black woman.
It looks bad because she's a violent cunt breaking star fleet protocols.

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>>83356559
>Is Benjamin Sisko captain because he is black or because he is competent officer? Is Geordi being chief engineer of starfleet flagship because he crippled nigger or due to being damn good engineer?

I'm guessing you are shooting for the "acting" argument.
All of them were put there because they are niggers.
The good luck and fortune had it that in those times Hollywood still had skills in screening people for acting talent when they were looking to pull agendas, so it ended up with the best of both worlds. The SJW's had their muppets, and we got good actors that we didn't have to complain about.

Look at today. Whether white actors or black or whatever, Hollywood can't seem to find anyone with a memorable charismatic look and bearing in their own way; while nigger actors are these days are intentionally either ugly as fuck or effeminate, completely lacking in charisma. There's a reason in all of this.

Also, Star Trek was pushing the "Communism/Socialism is good" agenda in the times when people were literally being arrested under suspicion of being Commie spies.
They had to be incredibly genius and cunning about how they portrayed their shit, which resulted in great writing and performance being made.
You can observe that Star Trek began being shit when that intelligent experienced generation of writers and film producers went away following the end of the Cold War era of rivalry and craziness.

There's many angles to sum in this discussion.

>>83356724
>You can observe that Star Trek began being shit when that intelligent experienced generation of writers and film producers went away following the end of the Cold War era of rivalry and craziness.

No, quality of Trek started to decline because the guys that were right guys to produce TV-show in late 80's became so out of touch with the medium they worked on for almost 20 years. Berman and Braga. They were right guys to fix TNG, but by the time ENT was in production their vision of TV was obsolete.

I hate that this is happening. Star Trek has been compromised. It has NEVER been as bad as this before.

This is the final death of Star Trek.

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>>83346628
>Feed them parts of human body.

> Literally going to be called STD in all Star Trek discussion from now until the end of time.

How.

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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Star Trek The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the SJWs would tell you. It’s a sci-fi legend. Star Trek was a true man's science fiction, so powerful and so wise he could use the power of man to influence the ratings to create series… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from being cancelled. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from cancellation, but not himself.

>>83356250
> utopian socialism works
You forgot the part where it works solely because of matter replicators, which is accurate

>>83357014

Because someone didn't think it through.
Seems to be a running theme with the show so far.

>>83357216
What about the fact manual labour is still needed to keep civilisation running, yet no money is used as intensive for this critical work?

>>83357294
>What about the fact manual labour is still needed to keep civilisation running, yet no money is used as intensive for this critical work?

Enough people willing to do that to get higher social status trough respect or to improve themselves without monetary compensation.

>>83357356
But that's just it, you can't run a civilisation like we see depicted in Star Trek with that small of a labour pool

>>83357294
I mean everyone can pretty much have anything for free so there isnt a need for incentive, and if youve ever been a neet you know damn well you learn to hate/Grow bored of even luxuries pretty fast living like that

>>83357391
Except there isn't a small labour poor

To think otherwise you'd have to be the kind of person who has completely drunk the neocapitalism koolaid and thinks people wouldn't work unless their very survival depended on it

>>83357391

Have you ever been a NEET? My 5 years of not doing shit drove me near insane and another 3 years to fully recover from, i'd imagine most people would be up for working a few hours a day in a dilithium mine or colonizing some distant planet, so long as their basic needs are all met (replicators) and the work isn't THAT hard (sci fi tools).

Hell the whole point of Star Trek from the start is just going out, finding new civilizations to interact with just because, even though it's risky as fuck.

TNG had school kids going to space in their battle cruiser that almost got blown up every other week. I don't think modern socio-economic realities of the 21st century apply.

>>83346633
It has a interracial kiss in the 60s.

>>83357558
That feel when a medical neet, too sick to do anything, have a BA and some training but have to take stairs one at a time.

>>83358126

Hope you can find work you like. Or are content with your life as it is, i literally wanted to kill myself after 3 years out of work, even when living fairly comfortably.