David is genuinely one of the best villain in any movies,

>>83111047
How is he a villain when he did nothing wrong?

>>83111047
Agree. He's a better developed-character than any of the actual humans he interacts with.

Covenant really establishes him as a protagonist rather than an antagonist. He's the guy with the motivation, who drives the whole story.

>>83111047
He was the best part of the movie.

>>83111047
He literally did nothing wrong.

>>83111064
i hate this fucking edgy teen meme

>>83111047
>prove me wrong.
he's well acted certainly. his motivation is retarded

>>83113328
>>83111064
he singlehandedly killed the franchise when he killed the interresting aliens. now we got again the ratlike shits which only cause screaming and dieing people... fucking boring shit we already saw in alien1-2-3-4avp1-2 etc

>>83113429
>his motivation is retarded
What was his motivation again?

>>83113488
Create the perfect alien race

>>83113538
>Create the perfect alien race because bored

ftfy

>>83113571
Not really sure it was because of boredom. David was intrigued with the idea of creating life when he wasn't bored, in Prometheus.

>>83111047
was the intro the moment where he decided he hated humans? when dude told him to get the tea?

>>83111047
He's basically playing Patrick Bateman. What's so impressive about that?

btw
how the fuck did the hibernating coffin catch fire from the inside?

why was the bitch so retarded to get the mass bleeding, obviously contagious crewmate to their only ship?

>>83113680
yeah i didn't appreciate how much she panicked. thought she was supposed to be strong womyn but she freaked the fuck out

>>83111047
Why does a robot need to grow hair? For that matter HOW?

This movie was retarded.
The ending was even more retarded when Daniels couldn't recognize that it wasnt Walter.
The whole slien making process was retarded as well. A fucking amdroid amd fassbender singlehandedly ruins a franchise.

>>83113488
>>83113538
>>83113571
>>83113605

His motivation is to wipe out humanity so it can be succeeded by his own kind. The xenomorphs are just a means to an end. Did you even watch the movie?

>>83114286
If this was his motivation why didn't he fly the engineers ship to earth to use the black goo?

>>83111047
I hope he's being paid more than all the other actors combined because he carried the fuck out of this movie.

>>83114386
Because like Walter said, when one note is off it ruins the whole symphony eventually. David is flawed. He has motivations like his dad (create life to succeed him) but because David AND Weyland are flawed they end up doing immoral shit to create life.

Walter is the best, he was just doing his job.

>>83114529
Nah I'm not convinced of your theory. I think he mostly wants to create life, and if some humans have to die along the way, so be it.

>>83111047
Yes, and he carried the movie.

I wouldn't have minded the male captain to be the protagonist instead of the chick. Make Ripley special.

>>83114386
Because the ship ends up embedded in a mountainside (for reasons completely unexplained by the film t.b.h.)

Clearly he decided the Engineers were the greater threat, but will presumably get around to dealing with the humans, now that he controls the Covenant.

>>83114828
>Because the ship ends up embedded in a mountainside
Instead of flying to the engineers home world, he could have flown to Earth.

>>83111047
What did he say when Billy Crudup asked him what he believes in? I already forgot.

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>>83113389
You just wouldn't understand the quest for genetic perfection

How is creating the facehuggers an improvement when the spores did the same job better and much faster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus

>>83112412
He's the antagonist bc the main cast, which we follow, have the primary goal that is established much prior. I would definitely not suggest he's a villain however, just that he creates conflict. He should have been the protagonist, like Satan in Paradise Lost. The film was going to be called Alien Paradise Lost but I guess they didn't think to write movie from mostly his perspective. It could've been really good.

Saw covenant in theators yesterday. David was well played but written retardedly. How the fuck was the ol switcharoo supposed to be believable? Worst twost ever.

>>83114964
Because the facehuggers creates the perfect specimen

>>83112412
>He's a better developed-character than any of the actual humans he interacts with.

Which is the biggest flaw of these movies so far.
It's great to have a great villain, sure. But even when he's the protagonist there need to be interesting, relatable and sympathetic characters to play his villainy off on, and so far both films have been lacking that.

>>83115049
Classic xenomorph didn't do anything the white one couldn't.

>>83115087

Resist bullets.

I didnt like how they made Androids into marvel heroes in this movie.

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>>83111047
>when David Horishima the Engineers

The ending of Prometheus was to find the Engineers and ask the million dollar question has to Why? but instead we get this bloated piece of garbage with more plotholes than the first one. Shaw getting killed offscreen was the same shit they pull in Alien 3.

Alien: Awakening better have answer to all this mess or let Scott retire already ffs

Why did David kill all the Engineers? Why didn't he try and work with them?

>>83114964
The spores indiscriminately kill all non-vegetative life. Presumably the facehuggers are able to maintain some kind of homeostasis. Also David is buttfucking insane in case you didn't notice

>>83114870
But the Engineers had to be dealt with first, because they were the more advanced race.

The humans would presumably have been next, if not for the unexplained accident.

>>83114972
Why is this not in the movie though? I was wondering why David was just suddenly put back together again.

>>83115122
They never get a good shot at him; the white one was standing still, no shit it died.
And in Aliens they die like flies, so no.

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>>83115077
While most of the cast was "I am here to die badly" I thought Tennesee, Daniels, Oram (Crudup) where done well, and Bichir guy was at least someone who stepped up from "Crewmate no 5".

To be fair, from David's perspective, he was meant to be an extension of humanity's vainglory; a slave modeled in its likeness. Perfect in every way except being organic.

After seeing the failings of humanity and the Engineers, he sought to correct what he thought was the fallacy of organic beings. Was he a genocidal nutjob who unleashed untold death and destruction? Yes he was, but David can't help but do what he did. He's taking his programming to the next logical conclusion based on his skewed and limited assessment of bio-life.

>>83115129
Is that what the next one is supposed to be called?

The only reason they didn't follow up Prometheus' story was because so many fans got butt hurt it wasn't a typical alien story, when it was never supposed to be one in the first place. It fell flat in places, but it had a lot of big ideas.

Also, didn't Naomi refuse to be in another one?

>>83115144
Did you miss the part in Prometheus where one of them ripped his head off?

They consider him an abomination.

>>83115144

See: >>83114972

Shaw ask "what if they are no better than us?"
David answer "so long they are no worse than us."

Likely he found out that the Engineer are much worse than humans.

>>83114691
Walter was right though, David was wrong about the author of the quote. He is flawed, he can fuck up.

>>83115170
>But the Engineers had to be dealt with first
Not necessarily. Earth was closer so it makes more sense to kill Earth first. Thus, I do not believe his goal it to wipe out humanity.

>>83113738
more like this is implying hes letting it grow, but it would have grown way longer than this in 10 years so he cut it, but why does he have it at this length at all?

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>>83115203

Did you forget? M-41 rifles in Aliens are fucking badass. They are not 20th century bullets. They fire 10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless bullets.

>>83114972
this is way better than the actual movie.

>>83115128

Yeah, these androids are way too strong. Now I remember how Ash was defeated by a bunch of space truckers.

>>83115387
Isn't David supposed to be like one of the end all be all androids, though? He was created by weyland himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I

>>83115283
>Earth was closer
O RLY?

Also, David had Shaw to deal with, who was calling the shots. He was nothing more than a severed head until she put him back together, so she was flying the ship.

>>83115229
I thought they fired Naomi?

>>83115229
Can't blame the fans when the marketing for the movie was stating that Prometheus is the origin of the Alien but instead the origin of Mankind? Scott needs to let a great director take his franchise and give it a new spin because he can't focus on good story telling without coming out as a pretentious director with huge ambitions. James Cameron is running laps around him, and you'll see that with Avatar saga.

>>83115420

If so, why can Walter keep up with him?

>>83115470
Isn't Walter basically supposed to be a slightly more suped-up David? That's probably why

The chestburster scene is cute.

>>83115420
Walter mentioned him to be an outdated model who kept freaking people out, indicating something that happened while the one in the movie was busy having his torn-off head used as a flail mace against Old Man Weyland. I'm pretty sure there were more Davids.

So eh, how did the eggs come to be exactly?

>>83115458
>>83115229
>Also, didn't Naomi refuse to be in another one?
She was basically fired.

She was supposed to take more English lessons to have a better accent, but she skipped out, Passion was a bomb, and she a year later did not speak english better, and her star had been tarnished, so she was written out.

>>83115470
Somehow in movie magic news return home that Weyland got fucked and David was inferior on protecting his master. So some guy took the blueprints and modified it to make Walter clones.

>>83111047
He's a Mary Sue.

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>>83115603
>Which came first, the biomechanical killing machine or the egg?

Mystery solved.

They should've gotten a different actor for Walter. If Davids are a crazy, outdated model, why would they basically make a brunette version of that?

>>83115603

David pooped them out.

>>83114420
Well he's fucking Fassbender so he'd be paid more even if he wasn't carrying the film. He deserves it though.

>>83115603
David created them. He has an entire bestiary of the shit he spliced together from the black goo and the animals that were made extinct during his decade-long Dr. Mengele role-playing

>>83115668
He fails more then once, so no

>>83115603
Some studio-exec at 20th century fox wanted them there

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what did david do to shaw?

to do what he did, all these experiments, he would have needed at the very least 50 years.

also why didnt he get killed by any of the killing machines he created 24/7. or at least mauled. also why the cycle is so fucking fast. fucking pleb movie cant into scale, any scale, hence all feels cheapened and microwaved.

>>83115671
David was first of kind so obviously you start from there.

>>83115654
They made it seem like Walters were supposed to be better, but Walters seem shittier, so I don't know what that's supposed to be about

Does this retcon the original Alien or not?

>>83115730
Love

Did they ever explain the Vickers-Weyland connection? Would that make her David's kind of sister?

>>83115730
used her as a model for the chestbursters. She was the only living human on the planet so the egg>Facehugger>Chestbursting idea had to come from somewhere and it was most likely from experimenting on her.

Also he mentioned to Oram how the eggs need a mother. I thought that's a clear indication what happened.

>>83115747
>also why didnt he get killed by any of the killing machines he created 24/7.
The alien has a long history of ignoring robots unless they interrupt what it is doing. Ash, Bishop, Call, and David have all shown that.

>>83115747
>also why the cycle is so fucking fast.
Ever watch alien, when it goes from a foot long chestburster to the alien in about 4 hours?

>>83115766
Waters were upgraded Davids with some key items such as the ability to be creative removed. This was due to Davids "Unnerving" people.

>>83115815

Yes, the eggs need an incubator, a "mother". Otherwise fucking useless.

Engineers played God.
Mankind played God.
Of course the creation of men will play God. And will do a better job

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>>83115825
>Not mentioning best androids that were ignored by Ayylmaos

anon...

>>83111047
What the fuck was his problem?

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>>83115730
He made eggs from her.

>>83115813
>Did they ever explain the Vickers-Weyland connection?
Vickers was the daughter of Wayland, or a synth built in her image depending on who you talk to.

>>83115883
kino

>>83115908

Vickers would be way too advanced to be a genuine synth from this era.

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>>83115898
I Was keeping it just to the movies, The Working joes where awesome and would love to see them in a movie at some point.

>>83115855
If the entire point of androids is for them to mimic human beings, wouldn't that make Walters kind of worse, tho? By removing the ability to be creative, you take away a key aspect of humanity

>>83115967

Acting like a sociopath is not a desirable feature.

>>83115999
No shit, but reducing them down to talking toasters who can't contribute isn't either

>>83115444
>so she was flying the ship
No, obviously he was in charge because I seriously doubt Shaw would have bombed the entire planet of Engineers when it was her entire motivation to talk with them.

>>83115773
No. They already tried (and fucked it up) in Prometheus, and steered well clear this time.

>>83115947
>running in a straight line away from rolling object
>advanced

>>83115967
Apparently David was too uncannily human and freaked out everyone. Ultimately they were still a product that was meant to comfort its owners, not fuck them up by making them have second thoughts on whether they have an actual human slave or an advanced robot.

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>>83115947
>Vickers would be way too advanced to be a genuine synth from this era.
Only if you ignore the David 6 models

>>83115947
I just wonder why she didn't take her dad's last name, though? In a deleted scene, she was complaining about missing out on company politics or something, and having her dad's last name would probably have more weight

>>83115967
Folks were not ready for the real deal.

>>83116084
Ohhh. That makes more sense.

>>83115908

Vickers is pretty much Ripley had she been the daughter of Weyland.

>>83116090
>You will never have a synth based on Afrikaans perfection to be the cold bitch outside the bedroom and the harlot for you in the bedroom.

>>83116028
Presumably Shaw repaired David during the voyage. At any rate, a recording of her at the controls is clearly seen by the crew of the Covenant.

By the time she arrives at the Engineers' planet, David is fully repaired and in a position to implement his genocide.

>>83116100
Remember this bullshit was written by the guy who wrote Lost. Any search for logical consistency is bound to come up short.

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Now I wonder if Ash were top of the line. It's happens, what, a decade or so later? That's without counting the hypersleep.

>>83116276
Ash seemed like basically a consumer grade bot. It'd be weird for an advanced one to be on with a bunch of space truckers

>>83116276
>>83116317
He wasn't designed by Weyland either.

>>83116317

Not if he was purposely planted there from day one. It's clear that no-one from Nostromo knew about his nature.

Just saw it.

How the fuck do you go from "David created the Aliens" to "There's Alien Eggs on this unidentified Alien ship" from the first movie?

>>83116276
Suspect that he was a standard Synth that was "reskinned" so that he would not be IDed as a synth by the crew.

>>83116358
The Engineer ship is probably going to be retconned to be the Covenant instead desu.

So, the engineers grew to hate humans because 1) engineers are pricks, and 2) we basically injured/killed one of their own, and they realized how terrible we were or something (made in their image ironically), so they decided to destroy their own creation, and the cave paintings were the engineers telling humanity of its doom

>>83116202
And at any point in their journey once David was repaired he could have easily killed Shaw, turned the ship around and exterminated all of humanity (on Earth). of course, if that was his actual motivation.

>>83116358
>Turns out the eggs are the natural progression of the goo.

>In the end, all of David creativity was actually the goo

>David realizes he is a nothing.

>>83116412
That's what I assumed to begin with. Every single creature created by the goo that popped out of humans looked nearly identical. Tail, long head, sharp teeth, long arms etc.

The only one being different is that alien-starfish that Shaw gave birth to, but it seemed to be a proto-face hugger.

Why didn't they just recast Shaw?

>>83115815
Also if he was paying attention during Prometheus, David would have already known how the black goo interacts with human reproductive system and creates the "facehugging" and "body bursting" incubation cycle (Shaw's alien baby and how it interacts with the Engineer).

Did the engineers intentionally create the black goo just for humans, or was it a special weapon for any of their creations that decided to fuck up

>>83116532
because ridley is 80 and senile

>>83116622
watch prometheus intro

>>83116532
It is not shaw's story, it is David's story.

>>83116675
explain i still don't get it

I'm glad this killed the Alien 5 shit, though.

We don't need anymore films with Ripley. Her story has been told. I'd rather have prequels than dragging out a story that already has a good conclusion,

>>83116675
It's a mutagen that can be fucked with to produce life of all kinds?? Idek

>>83116691
Think of the goo as biological nuclear power.

You can use it for wonderful things (Clean energy, creating life on a barren planet) or awful things (Nuclear bombs, wiping out life on a planet).

>>83116532

She got fired for not taking classes to improve her accent.

>Black goo in Prometheus makes the Engineer dissolve
>Black goo in Covenant makes the Engineers harden

I don't get it

>>83116393
There are still at least 2 more prequels planned. The covenant will be long out of the picture by then. No telling how it will be explained now.

I enjoyed the film, but am disappointed we didn't get to see Shaw have an attempt at getting her question of why the engineer wanted to nuke Earth after creating humankind. Perhaps the new bird will pick up that in the 3rd film. Seems like a broken promise, as a Prometheus supporter. I know she was written out irl, but still it was the dangling carrot from end of the 1st film

>>83116816
To me, the implications were enough to figure out why they wanted us dead, but a concrete answer would've been nice

>>83115129
Did everyone miss the point of Prometheus?

The ultimate tragic irony: after all this time, effort and wonder that was poured into finding our makers and purpose, we discover there is no purpose.

The engineers made us because they can. We can infer this from the conversation between David and Shaw's husband right before David poisons his ass. Ultimately, the engineers found us unsatisfactory and decided to wipe us out. Thats it. You don't need some retarded deep lore explanation. The Engineers are scary and interesting because they are our imperfect, uncaring and unsettling fathers. They made us, but they do not really love us, and any purpose they assigned for us at creation is meaningless.

Even in the face of it all, Shaw was desperate to find out the "true" intentions of the Engineers. Funny enough, the real world audience is still searching for "answers" as to why the engineers made us and later decided to unmake us all. Speaks to the nature of humanity I guess.

So Covenant gives us a new interesting perspective that blossomed in Prometheus. David 8, the 3rd generation of creators (Engineers, Humans, David/Androids), is bent on creating the 4th iteration in this perverse cycle of creation: The Xenomorph. On top of all of this, Fassbender nails the character and we get an awesome antagonist out of it. Yet still, the plebs complain.

>>83116811
I'm assuming they probably all have David in them. He's a fan favorite, and this movie hasn't really changed that.

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>>83116816
I would not be shocked if Daneils is dead next time we see David.

>>83116860
This

But who created the Engineers?

Is Prometheus the greatest pleb filter ever created?

>>83116761
Theres nothing to get
Its a fallacy to think theres something to get

Please do not doubt your own intelligence
Please do not prop up a filmmaker simply because they are respected

If the screen writers tthemsleves didnt explain themselves, then how possibly could someone on h here explain

There is nothing hisdden under the surface of this "film" that took your money, and so do not ask of anyones fanfiction on here to vallidate your loss

>>83116916
God

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>>83116931
Yes

Aren't there 4 more prequels planned?

>>83116761
wtf i hate black goo now

I love how this movie retroactively makes Prometheus even more of a tragedy. All of the characters died pointless deaths to meet their creators who hate them, on a goddamn death base full of shit designed to kill them

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>>83117061
Prometheus is a great film.

Okay, I said it.

it is still true.

>>83111064
>you will blow on your beautiful Neomorph pet
Just kill me now senpai.
>>83112412
Protagonist but antagonist at the same time. It's kino.
>>83114964
Facehuggers are specific, and xenos might be stronger than neos in 1v1.
>>83115203
>And in Aliens they die like flies, so no.
Which is exactly why Aliens sucks (it doesn't suck completely, still a good movie overall).
>>83115468
>James Cameron is running laps around him
Fucking lul'd my friend. Avatar is basically Pocahontas with tons of CGI.
If you think that movie was actually good you probably need to KYS, son.
>>83115825
>Ever watch alien, when it goes from a foot long chestburster to the alien in about 4 hours?
It's comical how many so many of the "dumb" things in AC also exist in the original Alien. People are sheep.
>>83116709
Aye. Neil Hackkamps best film was basically Avatar (Pocahontas) - the apartheid version.
Glad that hack is out of the picture. Ridley's quality control might've gone down over the years but it's still the best we could hope to get.

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>>83111047
Fassbender is saving these films.

David X Walter are undeniably KINO. Even though I despise this word.

>>83116860
Also...

There is an interesting dichotomy between the arrogance in Humans and the arrogance of David.

The Humans assign themselves with this superiority or "purpose". We insist that if the Engineers created us, they must have had some reason to do so, and therefore we should know this reason as to understand ourselves. Ultimately, we discover this is not so and humanity is just the failed late term abortion of an ancient alien race.

David is obsessed with creating the perfect life form. David assigns the xenomorph and its predecessors a purpose. The xenomorph will be the ultimate life form. David is convinced that his efforts will produce a truly meaningful creation, and by doing so he assigns himself purpose. Ultimately we know that as powerful as the xenomorph is, a regular ol' human bitch can kill it.

Really makes your marbles roll

>>83116811
I guess it'll be something weird like "David decides to fuck with a fossilized Engineer corpse to see what would happen"

>>83117061
You don't need to watch Covenant to figure that out, Prometheus itself makes that very clear.

do you think he's going to build the cabin by the lake?

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>>83111047
>You will never own a synth

>>83117342
Covenant just makes it even worse though. And it's great

>Androids are smarter than humans
>Stronger than xenomorphs
>More resilient than xernomorphs
Why aren't David-era androids the ultimate lifeform?

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>>83111047
Even though I saw that "twist" coming, the ending of Covenant disturbed me. All those humans (born and unborn)...

Prometheus Is actually a popular movie. It has its detractors, but in the years since its release, a metric fuckton of people seem to really enjoy it. I think more people like it than don't desu

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>>83116816
>>83116890

Really wish they replace the new dyke bitch. Can't stand her stupid face. Why do they kill off the hot ones?

>>83117562
Yep, even if I knew it was coming, it was well done and deeply like "FUGG, david has a lot of material to play with.

>>83117599
I could watch five movies of David just fucking with people, and it would never get old honestly

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>>83117591
The actress herself is rather good looking (and GOAT nipples) but she needs long hair so she does not look like her dad.

>>83117624
Yep, just as the alien movies where about Ripley. The Prometheus movies are about David.

>>83117668
They might as well attach the trollololo song to the opening of them because that's basically what it is

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>>83117633
>GOAT nipples

Umm... source?

I felt really bad when the captain killed the neomorph in front of david

So here is my argument about people being pissed that David murked marked the engineer race. It's part of some of the symbolism that these past two movies have been dealing with. Prometheus had to do with finding your creator, or in David's case helping his creator find his creators. However as the beginning of alien covenant points out David was in some ways a more perfect being because he understood his beginning in a manner that his own creator did not, and he also understood that he was immortal. Ergo if he is a more perfect being than his creator he is arguably more perfect than the engineers as well. However I think his attempts to create life stem from his recognition that he can still be destroyed and so his immortality is questionable. He creates new life forms to a.) Have a new form of immortality as the creator of the xenomorphs, and b.) Lay low the gods of his own god in a sense.

>>83116890
I think it depends on the actors kinda. I would like to see Daniels and Tennessee again, even though David would likely fuck them up.

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>>83117728
This is a blue board, but watch The babysitters or Inherent Vice

>>83117776
>murked marked

Stopped reading right there phoneposter scum.

>>83117823
I liked Tennessee and Daniels, hopefully they can make a new apperence, even if it is them building a cabin on a world while David does his thing.

>>83117845
Is that her? Damn she looks unrecognizable here. Why does hollywood hate feminine beauty?

>>83117845
A cute! cute! Long hair looks good on her :)

>>83117511
because they aren't alive

Why does David keep quipping those horrible English idioms?

>>83114286
He was fascinated with a form of life that may be better than his own artificial life. Man creates synthetics. Synthetics creates Aliens.

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>>83117934
Yep, with long hair she looks great.

With Short hair she looks older, less feminine, and too close to her dad (she the daughter of Sam Waterston, the guy from law and order.)

>>83117591
ha I know, I was really hoping the alien would kill her in the face off near the end, because of her SJW face

>>83116890
The next Alien movie takes place between Prometheus and Covenant, so you will have a long wait.

>>83118182
Was that confirmed?

>>83116860
I think there should be more to it, humans created IA to serve them, the engineers created life and left it to its own devices, I was hoping for a deep answer in AC

>>83118222
>>83118182
Suspect that since David is the best thing in the movies they will insist David is in it.

>>83116202

At the end of Prometheus, you wondered if she'd risk reassembling him or just leave him a headless consult.


So much for that.

>>83115229
>The only reason they didn't follow up Prometheus' story was because so many fans got butt hurt it wasn't a typical alien story,

If you honestly believe this and you arent being paid you should honestly consider suicide.

>>83116406
>create goo
>endlessly destructive
>don't develop counteraction for it just in case of some insane idiot

gj engineers

>>83118058

Because it impresses teenagers

>>83117201
David's all into his culture though, you'd think he'd want to create something along those lines, not a death machine, or maybe the fact that he can't feel emotion drives him to want to destroy life that can, with something that presumably can't, like him.

>>83111047
The thing I like best about this movie is the parallel of david, humans, and the engineers. Humans were created by the Engineers in order to be subservient, yet they have risen above their creator's purpose. Same thing can be said for David.

It's cool. I just finished it, and it was a pretty good movie, overall.

>>83111047
I like crazy David though I hate when bad guys wins.

>>83118396
yeah that would have been a good coupling

>Shaw, I'd like a body

>No you'll kill me

>Fancy a massage Shaw? I just need some arms, I'm really good

>No

>I used to love jogging Shaw... etc.

>>83118616
we're humans subservient to the engineers? I thought they just made us and fucked off

>>83117845
>inherent vice
god she was such a semen demon
>that scene where she plays with joaquins dick with her foot
GOD DAMN

>>83118058
>"Don't let the bed bugs bite you"

Kek.

>>83118942
Yea I don't get a lot of the additional stuff. I thought they just created humans via genetics, and somehow programmed a desire to paint their location on a star map into art, and went away waiting for humans to mature enough to arrive.

When they start killing the humans who did exactly this, go figure.

>>83111047

>Writer 1: "Hey remember Data and Lore?"
>Writer 2: "Yeah..."
>Writer 1: "Yeah, let's do that!"
>Unison: "YEAH!"
Writer 2: "Okay, so..."

1. How does a solar flare cause a hypersleep capsule to catch fire from the inside? Why don't they have an emergency open button? Even using that awkward-looking tool to open it didn't work.

2. How did David do all of that "genetic engineering" with only one host and no real equipment?

3. How did David manage to create the exact same facehugger eggs that were found in the ancient derelict ship on LV-426 in Alien?

>>83115201
If you weren't a compete shitposting retard who hasn't even seen the movie, you'd know David clearly mentions Shaw put him back together and that he never experienced such kindness before.

>>83117511
this is something that really rustles me.

Androids:
-Heal from mortal wounds (at least the newest ones can)
-Are hyper intelligent
-Are extremely strong
-Can be programmed to be extremely loyal
-bodies can be upgraded/replaced
-can use tools/technology to improve themselves and explore new things

Xenos:
-new generations are born to be extremely adaptable
-are fast
-are strong
-are hard to kill

Xenos arent even the ultimate lifeform. They are the ultimate lifeform killer. They cannot thrive on their own and absolutely need other fauna to reproduce.

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>>83111047

>no one is discussing the parallel nail-impalement, Christ-Devil-metaphors, "that's the spirit", villainous almost-humanity with Roy Batty

>no one else seems to have registered the cheap line-repetitions form Alien in the third act

>no one else apart from me and the odd New Yorker reviewer saw and understood pic related in the picture on the first go-around without any help

>>83117178
>Which is exactly why Aliens sucks (it doesn't suck completely, still a good movie overall).

No, it was a deliberate design decision to make the Xenomorph not one of those bullet-proof undying movie monsters.

>>83119043
Interesting, I assumed the engineers drew the star map, but I guess we didn't see them do it.

My thought was that they created us because their planet was dying, or maybe for another reason that was unknown, I was hoping there was an additional reason of interest, like we were there to do some kind of job for them with earth. The waiting for us to mature idea works too, for some long term job.

Yeah that was weird, the apparent death invitation. Unless there were benevolent and malevolent engineers, and we found the wrong ones.

>>83119201
I like to think he used her eggs.

>>83117141
I saw something like that on animal planet.

>>83114910
"Creation"

>>83118613
i think the xeno's act as a living embodiment of David (the sculpture). They are physically perfect and pure and, most importantly, are literal extension and combination of both man and machine (growing from humans, and created from David's image/designs)

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>>83117390
>actually wanting to own a kleptomaniac synth

>>83119238
Go on.

>>83119238
Assumed people understood the Arnold Böcklin reference.

I think a lot feel the last part of the 3rd act is the weakest part of the film.

>>83115645
Her English seemed fine to me.. I had no idea of this

>>83115222
I dunno, I think the only human character done well was Tennessee, and that may only be he's likable and played by Danny McBride. We really don't know anything about Daniels except she was married to Franco. Oram has a really great backstory (feels slighted due to his religion but is a reluctant leader once he actually becomes the captain), but none of it ever meaningfully comes into play before he's wasted in a spectacularly dumb way.

"Goddamn fangs, lookin' like a motherfuckin' extra from Blade. Oh, we wanna talk about hair? Let's talk about hair for a second, shall we? Let's talk about that bald-ass, shiny head of yours: lookin' like the black Destro. Honestly, this motherfucker looks like a Milk Dud. Nah, nah, nah, you don't have to be a Milk Dud. You could be Tic Tacs the way your goddamn breath's been kickin'. You smell like you've been chewin' on buttholes all afternoon -- diarrhea buttholes, diarrhea stinky buttholes. Get a toothbrush homes!"

What did Kenny Powers mean by this when he sees the xeno for the first time???

>>83119951
yeah, she was fine in the 1st, I don't understand that.

I thought she just didn't want to do a sequel, and be type cast/some other reason

>>83115046
Uuuuuuggg That sounds super interesting

>>83120117
They couldn't "fix" her accent very much anyway without it seeming obvious and out of place.

>>83120300
Her accent sounded fine to me, but then again I'm not a native English speaker

>>83119238
I saw it too, I'm the third to notice.

>>83119725

It's really very simple. Ridley spends large parts of the film making cheeky references to things related to his past sci-fi triumphs for nerd/geek cred, rather than telling a new story. On the one hand he's earned the right, but it is a bit tired.

That doesn't diminish the pleasure in getting the references, especially when it seems like few others have picked up on them.

In Blade Runner, the android Roy Batty taunts his presumably human prey during a physical chase sequence: "That's the spirit!" David does exactly the same here. Likewise, in Blade Runner, Roy Batty is impaled through the hand by a large nail/railroad spike thing in the course of saving Deckard's life. This is an obvious Christ-reference. Likewise, The David android character is impaled through the jaw by that god-damn stupid Muh Necklace Memory Of A Loved One Is Muh Plot Armor necklace totem-trope, which is itself a small nail.

A brief exterior shot of David's temple about halfway through, when the group hunkers down, obviously references the Bocklin paintings. The Bocklin paintings themselves were the original inspiration for the derelict spacecraft in the original Alien film. Giger himself did an "Homage to Bocklin" in 1977, just before he contracted to start work on Alien, so the picture was primed in his creative mind, juices, DNA at that point. This is the importance of the image to the franchise, which is more explicitly vindicated in this latest monster-of-the-week installment.

Large parts of the dialogue in the third act are directly ripped from the original film. "blow this fucker off into space". When to know to listen for it, it's cringey but whaddyagonnado.

>>83119860

You assumed wrong. Only I've been mentioning it in threads as far as I've seen. A few professional reviewers who know their stuff knew to look for it and caught it, like I did, but 4chan plebs, nah.

Admittedly we're all plebs for consuming and discussing this stuff.

>>83120390

Good job, respeck.

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>>83120415
>Ridley spends large parts of the film making cheeky references to things related to his past sci-fi triumphs for nerd/geek cred, rather than telling a new story.

Tell us all something we didn't know when we heard the "Alien:" moniker was going to be slapped on the Prometheus follow-up.

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>>83111047
>David is genuinely one of the best villain in any movies, prove me wrong.

>>83120797

Are you aware that David references Ozymandias in the film, which is a large part of what has inspired you to post this image that you've just posted?

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>>83120844
I'm saying the concept of the character was good when they did it in Watchmen.

>>83116090
if vickers was a synth she wouldn't have been such a retard.

>>83116346
wasn't the nostromo a weyland ship?

>>83121072

Yes, yes it was.

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>>83117390

Winona Ryder has never been finer than in Alien: Resurrection. That pixie cut does things to my dick as does that scene between her and Ripley. You know the one.

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>Nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure.

>>83115958
amanda a cute

>>83118058
Because he modeled his personality after Laurence of Arabia. He's autistic.

>>83123227

>David kissed Walter because T.E Lawrence was gay and he wanted to be to
>he used an updated version of himself for homosexual experimentation

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>>83115468
>Avatar
>good

Hahahaha

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>>83111047
Why would I prove you wrong when you're already correct? That would be illogical.

>David is wants to create the perfect organism
>plans to wipe out species he finds inferior
>listens to "Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla", one of Hitler's favourite songs at the end while walking between the cryo pods in a posture very similar to Hitler

The more little details I pick up on the more I love this movie.

>>83115468
>James Cameron is running laps around him, and you'll see that with Avatar saga.
Kek, even Prometheus with all its retardation feels like a masterpiece compared to Avatar.

OK but listen:

When David and Walter are standing in the garden and we see the "flashback" to David nuking the engineers, how can we be sure that actually happened?

I just saw the film and I was thinking that was just David picturing himself dropping the pathogen while reciting Ozymandias, but in reality those bodies were from some past usage of the weapon itself.

Thoughts?

>>83124339
I was thinking that the engineers didn't seem nearly as advanced as I had expected. The city was fairly small, and there weren't any flying cars or anything.

>>83124997
I got the feeling it was one of these super-advanced races where they have high tech but run around in burlap sacks because we not consumerists because that's terrible to Hollywood.

Except for buying tickets and $10 tubs of pop corn.

>>83115077
Walter is the interesting protagonist. He'll be back to fuck David up.

>>83113738
He's an Android. Not a robot

>>83111047
Pseudo-intellectual "we want the science loving 9gaggers"-core

>>83115319
he didn't care how his hair looked until he had guests.

>>83111047
I agree but that doesn't stop Covenant being so full of crap. Seeing this movie really made me want to leave the cinema mid way cos I couldn't bare seeing the end

>Shaw killed off Alien 3 Hicks and Newt style
>No backstory on Engineers
>Boring main characters that I wanted to see die and didn't give any shits if they survived
>CGI looked so cheap

>>83125337
They prefer "synthetic humans".

Androids are just particularly human-like robots. In the Alien universe, they seem to be more of grown parts than manufactured metal, but that doesn't mean they are alive or have a human-style brain.

This is as opposed to "replicants" from Blade Runner, which were 100% fully humans in the mind and body sense, and were just massively amplified or degraded via genetic engineering, depending on the area. Hence it was a disgusting society, prolific ramen noodles aside.

>>83125337
Why does an android need to grow hair? If it's inorganic and doesn't have living cells or natural hair follicles then how does continuous hair growth work?

>>83111047
Do you think that Scott wants to fug Fassbender?

>>83115645
>Passion was a bomb

How could a movie Hollywood didn't even give a chance at actually having a box office run be considered "a bomb"?

That fucker was literally dumped directly to video, man.

>>83114972
Why his hair didn't grow at the end of the travel?

This whole movie felt rushed as all fuck. I really disappoint.

The rest of the characters are so idiotic and forgettable, they gave Fassbender two roles.

>>83116761
I just see it as the difference between drinking a small cup of goo and getting bathed in gallons of the shit. Different level of exposure leads to different effects.

>>83117061

>give humans instructions how to reach a base that has weapons designed for death

>next time we see the Covenant it will be an Event Horizon-tier hellship full of failed experiments

Cannot wait bros

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>>83111047
>Weyland is meant to be a super-genius
>Can't figure out immortality or digitising his brain
Yeah nah

>>83114972

Shit, this is what they did the last time: You want more info you need to look at all the supplemental shit that goes along with it.

When I first saw the movie I thought it was one of those things where they couldn't get the original actress back "hence the distortion of her image" while still referencing her.

But she actually put time into acting this out. Fuck me. Long haired Shaw is qt.

>tfw the Aliens are the most boring part of your Alien movie
I fucking love the thought of crazy AI/Androids and David creating wacky experiments to fuck over humans.

The Protomorph that got onto the Covenant was completely unnecessary IMO, it would have been better had they got back to the Covenant, had a scene with Daniels and Tennessee and then went straight into that final scene with David.

>>83128027

This is true. As a gamer, the whole platform and Daniels vs. Morph in general was grounds for a last level confrontation.

The second one wasn't needed but hey, still needed to kill off everyone else who wasn't important to to story!

>>83117511

>Stronger than xenomorphs

I'm pretty sure they aren't.

>>83127136
I am so keen for this

>>83114420
i had this thought during the film.

Also, i know acting isnt easy (other jobs are harder for sure) but im sure fassbender actually worked hard for this film....neglecting his accent hiccups. i couldnt of done as good as him but....

>>83114810
srsly? danny mcbride? the focus of the newest alien film? please get rightly bent. i had to work so hard to keep that lame-ass franco-mcbride pothead duo from ruining the film. even when franco was getting torched i could just see him giggling "its like their lighting me up, broooo"

fucking hell

>>83111047
I didn't know Iggy Pop got into acting

>>83114286
>Did you even watch the movie?

I've never seen an Alien film, but I'm good at participating in discussion through the context alone. Now, does David's scene with the flute allude to a desire to replace the engineers, or just appropriate their technology.

>>83117188
Their scenes together were easily the best part of the movie.

>>83115431
Why were these scenes not in the movie? Is there a directors cut because it would have been amazing to see some character development before they all die. I didnt even know that one gay dude had another gay dude.

>>83111047
That scene where is throwing the pebbles at the religious guy, epic.

>>83129188
Then maybe you should watch some more movies.
Start with Crybaby.

>>83116682
This. Prometheus was about shaw and the concept of creation and the beings you created. Alien is about david and the concept of creation and the creator. I actually like david and am curious how he continues to grow. I would have really liked to see shaw more however.

Why don't they put asimov's laws to their bots

>your robot shows rebellion the moment it borns
>you still keep it
David was right, humanity is doomed

Man David is such a sexy robot. He can make xenomorphs in my butthole any day.

>>83129890
By the time of Aliens they do

>>83129908
I think that was partially waylans intention.

>>83116317
>Ash seemed like basically a consumer grade bot. It'd be weird for an advanced one to be on with a bunch of space truckers

He was there as a science officer. Dallas even said it was wierd that the company put him there last minute.

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first
alien
movie
i
saw
...
fucking
terrible...
future
people
are
retarded
dont
use
drones
or
wear
helmets
but
can
TRAVELLIGHTYEARSiNanHOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The pseudo-medieval aesthetic of the middle part is great.