Here's the scenario: >1980s Antarctic Research Base >Both

T-1000

>>83064091
T-1000 because he can't be assimilated. Ultimately, since he cannot be destroyed by the Thing, he will invariably win.

Kurt Russel

>>83064091
you're thread makes no sense. what difference would it make if the T-1000 knows whether a person is infected or not. his orders are to kill every living thing on the base, infected or not.

Only problem is, the T-1000's main method of attack is stabbing, and that's pretty useless against The Thing.

Hmm. You've created quite the conundrum here, OP.

>>83064481
its not retarded, it knows how to use weapons

>>83064091
T-1000 just burns everything and the Thing is easily destroyed as it's just a virus.

>>83064091
How is this even a debate?

>>83064481
>Only problem is, the T-1000's main method of attack is stabbing
If a T-800 can built a time machine out of garbage I think the T-1000 could handle rubbing two sticks together to get a fire going.

>>83064578
delet pls

>>83064091
what if they start imitating each other, and then we don't know who is who?

>>83064874
a daring synthesis

What a retarded thread.

Childs was infected, if you think this video isn't a well-structured and argumented essay, you have no business going into any intellectual debate, much less film analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppG-I_Dhxw

>>83064442
This, OP is a retarded

>>83064576
>>83064579
>>83064589
Nice try

>>83064091
T-1000. How is this even a question?

>it's a swaglord forgets to win thread
Hahah L0l

>>83064442
This.
OP, you are a special kind of stupid.

>>83064091
I'd watch this movie or animation, someone spend a few millions on it pls

>>83064442
>you're thread
>>83065142
>>83065432
You're missing the point. T-1000 would be at a distinct disadvantage if he started killing everyone right off the bat, since the Thing would have the easiest time assimilating them during the chaos. Remember, the T-1000 and the Thing aren't stupid.
I'm not saying the T-1000 wouldn't kill everyone, but he wouldn't just rush in without at first analyzing all the methods the Thing could escape.

>>83067227
The thing cannot harm the T-1000.
The Thing assimilates people, some at least, and then everybody is killed buy the T-1000.
Add more variables and restraint, or shut the fuck up.

>>83064576
>>83064578
>>83064579
>>83064589
Swaglord BTFO!

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>>83067288
There are already a lot of variables and restraints, you're just not thinking.
The T-1000 cannot last long outside, otherwise it will freeze and break into pieces. The Thing CAN last long outside, and since its goal is to escape all it has to do is walk outside far enough. Assuming the T-1000 knows this, how does it prevent the Thing from doing so?
Both the Thing and T-1000 have an inherent weakness to fire, and the T-1000 only has the weapons it can make (blades, useless against the Thing) or weapons it takes from humans (some minor guns and flamethrowers).
How exactly do you propose the T-1000 defeats the Thing? You sound like you don't have much imagination.

>>83064091
Is Kurt Russel on the base?

>>83064091
If The Thing just wants to escape it can probably make it into the water, it didn't seem to mind cold all that much.

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>>83064578

>>83064091
This is going to be over very quickly unless the creature survives long to learn the t1000's weaknesses and has enough biomass to use that knowledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3fd5wbU7M

>>83068093
For the sake of the argument, let's say it's the same base. Kurt Russel probably tied with the Thing, so the T-1000 would probably be able to kill all of the humans.

>>83064091

T-1000 would slaughter everyone and every thing (pun intended) in a matter of minutes

what a dumb question

>>83068728
No doubt the T-1000 would be able to kill the humans off easily, but the most effective way to defeat the Thing would be to try and blend in. Otherwise the Thing would realize there is a Terminator robot and just put all its effort into escape, instead of assimilation.

they would be fighting forever, since t-1000 probably cannot be infected by the thing and the thing cant be taken over.

>>83068765
The creature has no place to escape to and the t1000's entire existence is based around hunting down post apocalyptic survivors who can not only provide for their needs while being actively hunted but even destroy a giant ever improving robot army.

>>83067968
>The Thing CAN last long outside
No it cant you retard. The thing was frozen in ice. T-1000 wins with no questions asked.

The only thing that could stop a T-1000 is thousand degree temperatures.

>>83068971
The creature was attempting to build a spacecraft in secret, plus it can always radio for help (if the radio is not already destroyed). The humans also destroyed all of the vehicles and slaughtered the dogs in the film, would they be able to do so in this scenario?
>>83069019
They make a point in the original film that the Thing WANTS the base to freeze over so it can hibernate. It will hide itself in the ice once again to be discovered, and thus escape.
The T-1000 was stopped in its tracks by liquid nitrogen, where it burst into harmless pieces. Once it was warmed up, however, it was able to reform.

The whole point of this exercise is that the T-1000 is almost a machine-version of The Thing, and we should determine which would defeat the other.

>>83068765
Blend in with what? The T-1000's orders are to kill EVERY LIVING THING. Once it realized there was something weird going on (like a head running away on spider legs) it would burn the place to the ground. Moderate amounts of heat won't hurt a T-1000 and it would turn the place into a kiln.

>>83069286
Let's say the T-1000 does just that, but how does it prevent a little spider-head from walking out into the cold and freezing itself? Remember, the T-1000 is liquid metal. It wouldn't last long without a heat source.

>>83069464
If the Thing's goal is to hide in the snow, it's going to accomplish that. It cannot fight the T-1000 effectively.

As for whether -60 temperatures are enough to make a T-1000 seize up, we just don't know. Liquid nitrogen did it but that's the only data point we had. And it bears mentioning that if the Thing thaws out, so will the T-1000 (if it freezes).

>>83069207
>The creature was attempting to build a spacecraft in secret, plus it can always radio for help (if the radio is not already destroyed). The humans also destroyed all of the vehicles and slaughtered the dogs in the film, would they be able to do so in this scenario?

All the humans in the base are going to be dead in one or two minutes. The only vehicle that is going to buy the creature enough time is the helicopter and that won't get in the air fast enough even if it's fully fueled and prepped for take off.

>>83069207
Are you really comparing antarctic temperatures to liquid nitrogen?

>>83064091
t-1000 if they are isolated.

>>83069464
>how does it prevent a little spider-head from walking out into the cold and freezing itself?
It won't have to because little pieces of the thing are not intelligent and avoid pain.

I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing, it's only options are stabbing, and using the same flamethrowers the humans used which demonstrated limited effectiveness.

Furthermore I don't think terminating every living thing on the base would necessarily limit the ability of the Thing to gather biomass. There's no reason to assume it's victims have to be "alive" to be used (many of the individual cells of a body stay alive for a while after "death"), and we must also consider the fact that was able to grow to enormous size using only the biomass of 11 people and a few dogs. Clearly it's drawing mass from elsewhere, maybe eating the camp supplies.

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>>83069590
>>83069645
If they're dead, it's easier to assume their biomass.
>>83069667
Liquid Nitrogen instantly froze T-1000, so he'd of course have "more time" in the cold.

>>83069765
It is less intelligent at the direct cellular level (blood test scene), but a dog-sized Thing was intelligent enough to run into the cold, remained disguised, and enter the human base in the first place.

>>83070435
>I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing
It's a highly advanced and intelligent machine that is created for the sole destruction of organic life.

>it's only options are stabbing
It's purpose is combat. There are literal libraries on its brain to know martial arts and use of weapons. Pretty sure its covered.

>>83068379
Tango and Cash is one of the most underrated action films.

>>83064589
I liked ur article in that paper

Have you met Jared Kushner?

>>83070435
>I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing
The T-1000 can cause massive trauma to the creature's tissues which will eventually result in death from metabolic stress.

>T1000 turns liquid
>covers the whole body of the thing
>suffocates or crushes it

>>83070679
>−128.6 that constantly fluctuates
vs
>-321 in seconds

>>83070839
>gosh I just don't know what the phrase "more time" means
And remember, it's never stated that the T-1000 can generate its own heat.

There is absolutely nothing the Thing can do to harm the T-1000, how is this even a fair fight.

>>83070679
>If they're dead, it's easier to assume their biomass.
That's only 120k worth of calories. In practice that 120k calories will amount to far less as the creature will have to spend it on assimilation, organization, and upkeep.

>a dog-sized Thing
True but a dog sized thing is only a few tens of pounds less than a full sized human and it takes time for the creature to organize it's prey.

>>83070920
>gosh I just don't know what the phrase "more time" means
Oh, I knew what you meant but you're still being a retard. The temperature isnt extreme enough to prevent it from functioning. The cold of the night is one thing but liquid nitrogen is something entirely else. Also, do people forget the T-1000 went from being -321 degrees to over 1500 in minutes? This would fuck anything up.

>>83070920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6m40W1s0Wc
These bees kill giant hornets by cooking them alive. The T-1000 can probably generate massive amounts of heat.

The T1000 not only would have a couple of flamethrowers, but also access to TNT and a lot of fuel, which he can use against the Thing in ways the humans couldn't.

Under the conditions described by the OP, the T1000 clearly wins.

>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation or suspects someone the same way a human would.

Why is this even a factor, if the T-1000 wants to terminate everybody in the base?

Honestly, a more challenging scenario would if the T-1000 had orders to only kill the Thing but keep the humans alive.

>>83064091
Kurt Russell

>>83064091
>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation

Why does this matter? He's going to kill everyone anyway, regardless of whether they're The Thing or not

nether it would be a stale mate /thread

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>>83071181
>This would fuck anything up.
It did fuck it up, as evidenced by it melting all over the place. However, when the Thing was heated back up it was fully functional.
>>83071192
Then the Thing can similarly do that, to melt the T-1000.

>>83071411
That's a good point, we need a reason for both organisms to try and remain hidden. How about human casualties are not encouraged for the T-1000, and it must have at least one human survivor to succeed?

>>83071486
>>83071411
This, just go stabbity-stab on all the present until somebody Things-out, and then blow the shit out of the Thing with dynamite and gas. Pretty straightforward.

>>83071592
The temperature of Liquid Nitrogen and a steel furnace are far, far more extreme than that of artic winter or fuel fires, there is no comparision.

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>>83071592
>However, when the Thing was heated back up it was fully functional.
The Thing wasn't frozen in seconds to less than -300 degrees with liquid nitrogen. This would kill many organics. Do you not understand what Liquid Nitrogen is or does?

>Then the Thing can similarly do that, to melt the T-1000.
>The Thing can melt metal at 1,500 degrees with body heat
Are you retarded?

>>83070818
>The T-1000 can cause massive trauma to the creature's tissues which will eventually result in death from metabolic stress.
That's certainly true, but assumes the Thing will keep putting it's hand into that buzzsaw, rather than splitting in two and leaving the T-1000 snapping at a decoy while the rest of it slithers off like one of those lizards that drop their tails when they get attacked.

>>83072071
>T-1000 snapping at a decoy while the rest of it slithers off like one of those lizards that drop their tails when they get attacked.
Pretty sure the T-1000 would figure out the intelligence of the Thing quickly. It figured out very fast the T-800 was toying with it. Same also goes for the less advanced T-800 going predicting where Connor was going.

The biggest problem OP would probably have is at some point the T-1000 would abandon its orders and go rogue.

>>83072011
The Thing can change and adapt itself at the cellular level, within seconds. It can grow body parts that are extremely cold or heat resistant, and at the very least be able to outrun the T-1000.

>it would be cold too FAST REEEEEE
Irrelevant, there isn't any liquid nitrogen on the base. The T-1000 was stopped in its tracks, literally, by instantaneous exposure to temperatures below -321 Fahrenheit. Antarctica at its coldest is about -140 F.
T-1000 wouldn't have that much time outside, I'd wager he'd have at most an hour and that is being generous. If the Thing can keep away from his blades long enough, it's totally fine.
>>83072148
how would the T-1000 go rogue? We've never see any Terminator disobey orders, let alone this terminator.

>>83071592
Dude, you're being slightly retarded

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>>83072268
>Antarctica at its coldest is about -140 F.
T-1000 wouldn't have that much time outside, I'd wager he'd have at most an hour and that is being generous.
>this is the same as exposure to Liquid Nitrogen
Oh, so you ARE retarded.

>how would the T-1000 go rogue?
>The molecular brain grants the T-1000 advanced reasoning capabilities, emotions such as humor, and even self-awareness. As a result, a T-1000 can make its own decisions contrary to that of Skynet. In order to protect itself from its own creation, Skynet did not mass produce the T-1000. Later, Skynet discontinued T-1000 for this reason
Field units are not allowed to be set into read/write because Skynet is afraid of units questioning orders.

>>83072268
>It can grow body parts that are extremely cold or heat resistant

So, why didn't it just fuck off into the night? Why bother risking its life in the base, if it could just make itself cold-resistant, grow a pair of wings and fly elsewhere? And why didn't it create these fire resistant tissues whenever it fought the humans?

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>>83072493
>Oh, so you ARE retarded.
>literally no argument to found whatsoever

>Field units are not allowed to be set into read/write because Skynet is afraid of units questioning orders.
So it's possible it would go rogue, but that explanation only exists to show why the T-1000 didn't show up in any of the other Terminator films. We're going to assume the T-1000 is committed in its goal since the T2 flim never had that information in it.

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Who would win between The Blob and The Thing?

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>>83072555
In the film, it is explained that The Thing wanted to construct its own escape craft using Blair's shack and supplies found on the base. It only decided to freeze itself when that plan was discovered and ruined by the surviving humans.

As for the cold-resistant tissue, it wouldn't make it immune, only resistant. And it could be that the heat-resistant tissue was still being formed, or the Thing preferred to develop weapons instead.
There's also the theory that each Thing appearance was orchestrated (with the exception of Palmer) in order to distract the humans from Blair's activities. It was only after they torched Palmer that MacReady investigated Blair to a useful degree.

>>83072148
It doesn't matter if the T-1000 figures out the Thing is smart. The Thing just has to split off enough of it to keep the T-1000 busy, maybe even lead it off on a wild goose-chase, while a part of the Thing continues working on it's spaceship , and/or another part runs off into the night to freeze itself in some ice crevasse ensuring it's long term survival.

While it's certainly true the Thing could never hope to destroy the T-1000 (barring it manifesting the undemonstrated ability to construct a ray gun or something in the same manner it built a spaceship,), it has the ability to be in multiple places at once, which puts the T-1000 at a distinct disadvantage

>Thing splits into five head crabs which scuttle off in opposite directions
>T-1000 can only chase one at a time and now must track down multiple shape shifting entities over hundreds of square miles in a blizzard and destroy them down to the cellular level before it's batteries run out.

I'm betting on a short term draw, and a long-term loss for the T-1000.

>>83072307
Going from -196 to over 1500 °C is not the same as going from -40 to 20.
How the fuck is the thing able to generate over 1500 °C? How is it not cooked alive by it's own heat?
The T-1000's temperature threshold is far greater than the thing's in both ways, retard

>>83072623
correct me if wrong i don't think the movies ever went into exactly WHAT it da blob was i know it melts flesh

>>83068971
>t1000's entire existence is based around hunting down post apocalyptic survivors

Wrong t-1000 was an advanced prototype and skynet's last creation as a desperate attempt to change the past before John Connor stormed it's headquters where the time machine was.

>>83072623
It boils down to which process is faster, the Thing's assimilation or the Blob's digestion.

>>83072623
That's another good matchup!
>>83072722
You're still stuck on the temperature change threshold, but not paying attention to the time threshold. There's a lot of cold landscape to run through, my point is that over time the T-1000 freezes and loses, whereas the Thing freezes and wins.

>>83072555
>So, why didn't it just fuck off into the night? Why bother risking its life in the base, if it could just make itself cold-resistant, grow a pair of wings and fly elsewhere?
Who says it didn't?

>>83064091
The T-1000 could probably kill just about everything while also containing them on the base. If it ever came down to combat between it and the T-1000, there's very little The Thing could do, given it's primary form of attack is assimilation, and the T-1000 can't be assimilated.

>>83072725
It's basically a giant, sentient stomach that absorbs and adds organic matter to it's mass. It's very similar to the Thing in that it can survive after being split apart, although it is weak to extreme cold.

>>83072759
if the blob is even cellular in nature like the thing we don't know if not blob wins and just melts the thing

>>83072779
Do you not understand how temperature and heat work you dumb fuck? It sdoewsn't matter how much time the T-1000 spends outside the base, he'll never go below -40 °C. That's over a 100 degrees warmer than liquid nitrogen. Now that I think of it, getting the thing out of the base works best for the T-1000 because then he can gather all thwe frozen creatures at his leisure and make a bonfire with them

>>83064091
If the terminator wanted to kill everyone in the base, he'd probably make a bomb or some shit.

Then he'd see a piece of burning Thing and tear it to shit.

Implying anything could win against Kurt Russell

>>83072857
I think the implication was that the Blob was some sort of single celled organism (they even say it was part of a germ warfare experinent) mutated by cosmic radiation while it was in that satellite. It's basically a giant amoeba that feeds by engulfing the prey and dissolving it with enzymes. That's also why it's so weak against low temps, because it's mostly water inside the cellular membranae.

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>>83071192
>115
>117
>118
When they said nature is balance they weren't fucking around

>>83073168
this is the correct opinion
Chris Pratt beat him

>>83072600
>literally no argument to found whatsoever
>get explained what Liquid nitrogen is
>fail to comprehend this
>cannot tell the difference between environmental temperatures and chemical temperatures
Dude, you're retarded.

T1000fags get out, it's a super cold Arctic base and the T1000 is explicitly shown to be weak to super cold temperatures which slow his shapeshifting.

The Thing wins purely because of the environment. The humans would all band together to stop the T1000 not realizing it's not the only threat to the base, discover it's cold weakness, then get assimilated by the Thing when they have their guard down.

>>83071192
since when was t-1000 bees

>>83072071
leaving the T-1000 snapping at a decoy
I don't think anything bigger than a finger is going to crawl away from that mess. Even if the creature could split into two copies of usain bolt instantly he would be fucked.

>>83073643
>super cold temperatures
Good thing Antarctica doesn't get to super cold temperatures, anon.

>>83072745
That's not what they said in the novelization.

>>83073597
>every comment he makes has the word retard like it's engrained in his head from previous childhood trauma
>cannot provide any proof that the T-1000 would operate in prime condition at -140, especially after it was demonstrated that roughly doubling that temperature would completely incapacitate him.
You're assuming that -321 is his threshold, but it's entirely possibly that his actual threshold is lower.
At least a person like you kept special needs teachers employed.

>>83073759
>reading official fanfiction for nerds
Unless it's in the film or the script it doesn't count. OP's image only references the film names.

>>83073650
The T-1000 is or is like a swarm robot.

>>83073643
>>83073766
Lowest recorded temperature in antartica was -93°C. Liquid nitrogen is at -196°C and the T-1000 still was able to move at this temperature for a few seconds. I'm going to go ahead and assume he's still operational at antartic temperature.

>>83073816
It doesn't matter either way. The terminators are meant to hunt down non trivial prey.

>>83064091
>The T-1000 is ordered to terminate every living thing at the research base, in any order.
>the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation or suspects someone the same way a human would.
If the T-1000's orders are to destroy every living thing then what does it matter if it knows who The Thing is or not?

>>83073643
Antarctica is not that cold and we don't know what powers the T-1000. It may work for years above some threshold temperature a few degrees over liquid nitrogen or it may die in hours.

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>>83073766
>At least a person like you kept special needs teachers employed.
>saying this while not understanding the nature of Liquid Nitrogen
>not understanding boiling points
>not understanding simple chemistry in general
>getting this mad at being proven wrong

>>83073643
>>83073935
>>83074055
Antartica at its coldest is over 200°F warmer than liquid nitrogen

This would be an interesting fight. I think it depends on where the fight takes place

If the fight is in a city and the Thing infects multiple people, it would have the numbers game and that would make the fight interesting. But if it's a 1 on 1 fight in Antarctica, then I think the T-1000 would win, especially if it finds out fire kills the Thing

>>83074018
OP is retarded, he's spent the entire thread eagerly proving it

>>83074216
>fire kills the Thing
no it does not it slows the thing down not out right kills it theres nothing at the artic base that can get hot enough to kill the thing

>>83074328
you mean cold, right?

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>>83074018
Just in case the T-1000 decides to take out the Thing first. It's clarifying rules about how the Thing operates for those who may not know.

>>83074114
>not proving anything or answering any points, but still being smug
I can tell that cut you deep :^)
>>83074222
>it's just the same guy, dedicating his time to calling some guy a retard
It'd be pathetic if you were worth something.

>>83074383
no i mean fire that's why i said fire

>>83074383
It's established in the film itself that the cold will not kill the Thing, and it's still alive on the cellular level after being burned via flamethrower.

>>83064091
T-1000 easily.
The most dangerous thing about The Thing is how easily it can assimilate organic creatures. It wouldn't be able to assimilate the T-1000, so it wouldn't really pose a threat to it.

In Terminator 1 Kyle Reese talks about the T-800 is covered in organic tissue, but his core is machine. If this is the same for the T-1000 then maybe The Thing would be able to assimilate just his skin or something. I don't think that would change the outcome though.

What if they were... oh, i dont know, naked oil wrestling each other in a steel mill and then slipped into a vat of molten steel. Who wins then?

>>83074560
>If this is the same for the T-1000
it not the 1000 is all liquid metal

>>83074623
>it not the 1000 is all liquid metal
True. I only just remembered that scene where he gets shot in the face and you can see that he's metal through-and-through.

>>83064091
The thing only works in organic form of life. T-1000 being a robot couldn't be defeat by it.

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>get so mad at being proven wrong
>proceed to shitpost to play it off

Just admit you fucked up, dude. You can't even get anons right.

this thread is going longer than it should as i said b4 it would be a stale mate The T-1000 was not issued with any weapons, but was capable of fashioning any solid metal form such as knives and other stabbing weapons against he thing would be like stabbing deadpool with a knife no effect and the same would be if the thing shoved a spike into the t1000 they both would sit there poking each other till the humans nuke them the end

>>83064091
>T-1000 is artificial.
>Thing can't properly replicate artificial components.
>T-1000 is supposed to kill every living thing.
>That means nowhere The Thing hides is safe from him.

The only downside is that the T-1000 might have to improvise some flame weaponry, as all he has going for him is blades, and the Thing just replicates when cut.

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>>83074792
this anon is the best anon in the thread

>>83074405
You clearly lack the basic knowledge needed to participate in this discussion, you think you are winning because you don't understand what other people are telling you. By posting reaction pics you're making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

>>83074984
He knows he fucked up. He just can't bring himself to admit he's wrong.

>>83074857
This. But T could probably use fire to slow down the creature in the long run.

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>>83075128
It's ok, baby, not everyone can be not stupid

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>>83075226
>that phrasing
Jesus

>>83074792
Even if they were stalemated in such a way the thing will still expend large amounts of energy and will eventually die. Hell it may even die of thirst in three days after constantly fighting.

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>>83075276
I was going to say that not everyone can be smart, but that would have sounded pretentious by implying you'd need anything but slightly below average intelligence to not fuck up as royally as you did

>>83075280
and the t1000 will power down when its AAA battery's run out we don't know how ether works also
>die of thirst
>expend large amounts of energy
really? the thing spent a thousand plus years in a deep freeze i think it could last longer than you think

>>83073816
The Thing was based off of the book Who Goes There by John W. Campbell, would it be wrong to assume that the traits of the creatures from both adaptations are similar?

>>83075469
Well it's the thought that counts.

>>83075493
They are similar, but Carpenter's creature was different in some ways. It's been a while seen I read "Who Goes There?" and while it is a great book, the situations are a bit different. Carpenter wanted to make a much darker film than the book was.

>>83075472
>the thing spent a thousand plus years in a deep freeze
Obviously it was not metabolically active at the time. Even if they had an equal amount of energy for the sake of fairness, transforming, running, healing, and doing all those other things would probably use more energy than staving and cutting something repeatedly. Also biological creatures need water and food to survive. The T-1000's nano machines can probably consume power from any kinetic source.

>>83074405
>Just in case the T-1000 decides to take out the Thing first.

>The T-1000 is ordered to terminate every living thing at the research base, in any order.
>in any order.
Why would it "just decide" to take the Thing out first when it doesn't need to know who it is since it'll be killing everything anyway? The T-1000 knowing who the Thing is is literally meaningless.

>>83075826
Not necessarily. The T-1000 might want to know more about the creature and infiltrate the facility in order to gather more information.

>>83075642
>biological creatures need water and food to survive
All living things, from tiny cyanobacteria to giant blue whales , need water to survive. Without water, life as we know it would not exist. And life exists wherever there is water. All organisms, like animals and plants, use water : salty or fresh, hot or cold, plenty of water or almost no water at all. key word here as we know it the thing is an alien it could survive off of nothing for all we know and we wont know till we see other life on other planests

>>83075642
also were talking a movie alien the ones in signs water is acid to them there could be life thats silicon based life that eats rocks and shits diamonds

>>83076082
Bimp

>>83075949
Even if it uses something else to transport molecules around its tissues it still has to consume or synthesize that substance and at cost.

>>83076062
>signs
I think those were supposed to be demons. Also, even if it were able to consume exotic materials I don't think that would help it much and might make things worse in terms of energy expenditure. The T-1000 will punish missteps and every calorie will count in this battle. That said the creature might be able to make a ton of acid if it starts consuming earth minerals.

>>83076169
you an expert at alien life if not just stop we don't know how other life forms work your just assuming it must work like life on earth because that all we have to reference of off

>>83075826
The Thing is a much higher threat than mere humans, it would actually make a lot of sense to terminate it first.

>>83064091
While the T-1000 likes using stabbing and slicing attacks don't forget that it's perfectly willing and able to use firearms. Because of this the T-1000 would kill any humans in control of the flame thrower and if he manages to get it intact then it's pretty much gg for the thing.

>>83076459
you even read the thread flamethrower slows thing down not kill it

>>83076342
We do a little about how this "alien" works because we has seen it in two movies not including the book and 1950s film. I mean in a since you are right because for all we know the creature can harvest cosmic radiation or do something similarly crazy but in order to have to have important arguments over movie monsters you do have to say something.

>Thing can survive as petri dish size samples of blood at a known minimum
>People genuinely believe the T-1000 is going to be able to hunt down and ensure the destruction of every blood smear it leaves behind after it murders it's way through every life form it encounters in the base

T-1000 literally CANNOT win.

>>83076517
No. I read ops post. I don't feel like reading 50 replies just to throw in an idea. I don't know where people got this idea that the flame thrower doesn't kill the thing. But if that's the case then at best case scenario for the T-1000 it's a stale mate. Where he managed to destroy all equipment that could be used to keep the thing warm or allow it to escape. Otherwise the thing wins.

>>83076787
>turn into a sentient puddle of liquid metal sweep every square cm of the base
checkmate, thing

>>83076787
If the T-1000 is reduced to hunting down cells with a diy UV sterilizer is it really a battle after that?

>>83076894
>T-1000 turns into a puddle and sweeps across the base
>Thing can be in multiple places at once and GTFOs while T-1000 is autisically cleaning every square picometer of the base of organic residue
Cannot.
Win.

>>83076992
It was never a battle.
The Thing's only goal is to survive, obviously it can't beat the metal stabby man in a fight (barring it pulling a ray-gun out of it's ass like it ass- pulled a UFO, but I digress), but that's not the point.

T-1000 cannot ensure the Thing does not escape. Which means it loses.

>>83077074
>>83077183
>Thing gets frozen by antartic cold
>T-1000 calmly gathers the pieces in a confortable 200 degrees above his fusion point (see >>83074115)

What a weak and obvious deathbattle

To a hunter who knows no innocent life forms, the thing loses it's primary mode of attack.

Couple that with the inability to get assembled and you have a really unfair fight.

the thing will assume its identity as the assimilated until it knows that harm will come to it on the cellular level. If a man were to shoot a man-thing in the head then the man-thing would die, not really but in order to protect its identity it must pretend to, but it doesn't know when harm will come to it until either its being harmed or the guy with the cattle prod says "i'm going to jam this up the dead guys asshole, just for kicks." In the novelization the thing can read minds, and this is how it's able to mimic the behavior of the assimilated as well as determine if its going to be discovered or not. For the sake of the argument we'll leave all non-cinematic sources out of the question.
If the T1000 is sent to the base with the objective "don't let the thing escape" we can assume it knows what a "thing" is and what it takes to destroy it.
So assuming all it takes to "kill" a man-thing is what it takes to kill a man, all the T1000 has to do is stab everyone in the heart to keep it from moving too much, pile the "corpses" on top of one another, pour kerosene on them (if the childs/macready debates have taught me anything its that the thing might not know what kerosene is) light a match, and throw it on the pile. Why should the T1000 care whether the facility is engulfed in flame, or he is caught in the blaze? With his task complete he might cease to exist, and even if he doesn't there is no evidence the T1000 has any sense of self-preservation. Blow up the base is literally what it comes down to anyway so I don't think there will be any trouble there.

TLDR;T1000 wins by containing all lifeforms capable of assimilation and burning the mother down.
I would also like opinions on how the thing might interact with the T1000 given its not a living entity, and makes/breaks my theory.

>>83076787
>T-1000 is going to be able to hunt down and ensure the destruction of every blood
Why wouldn't it? They dont need to eat, breath, sleep cant be bargained with cant be reasoned. It wont feel pity or remorse and it wont stop ever.

>>83077247
>calmly gathers pieces
Right because frozen Thing McNuggets scattered across who knows how far, buried who knows how deep, come conveniently labeled for the T-1000 to find, and that assumes the Thing doesn't make it far enough to find a penguin colony.

>>83077183
>T-1000 cannot ensure the Thing does not escape.
The thing already lost at two bases fighting against uninformed humans.

>>83077468
He's a machine. You fail to consisder how thorough he can be.

>Thing doesn't make it far enough to find a penguin colony
The smaller it is, the faster it loses heat. If it's big enough to reach a penguin colony the T-1000 can track it

>>83077468
>who knows how far
>who knows how deep
That's just the kind of thing a killer with a computer for a brain could figure out. It's not like the T-1000 has hobbies and the creature has been stuck in Antarctica for millions of years.

>>83077463
>Why wouldn't it?
because the blood isn't going to stick around to be found bozo, it's going to fuck off and worst case scenario turn into some kind of a space-worm then burrow underground where the T-1000 can't find it.

>>83077448
still wont kill the thing again shown in both movies fire dosent kill the thing only slows it down god it like you people haven't even read the thread or watched the movie for instance remember 2 face thing the burnt it with barrels of gas and it was still alive

>>83077682
>That's just the kind of thing a killer with a computer for a brain could figure out.
Oh please.
The T-1000 has demonstrated no such creative capacity and canonically we know skynet discourages that kind of lateral thinking.

>>83077620
>If it's big enough to reach a penguin colony the T-1000 can track it
and if it splits into multiple entities big enough for the T-1000 to track, but going in opposite directions?

>>83077709
another note to add yes you could kill it with fire but you need cremation level heat and they dont got the resources to generate the level of fire

>>83077752
>creative capacity
That's not a creative capacity but just what you would expect from something who's model of the world is likely based on a literal Cartesian coordinate system. Even if he has to track down every little piece of the creature for a hundred years with a little magnifying glass, walking in spiral patters, he'll do it.

>>83072623

Blob breaks down biological matter instantly

Thing cells take seconds to hours to assimilate so it loses

>>83077872
If it remains in that state without being frozen it will die regardless and they certainly do have enough energy on site for cremations.

>>83077942
>Even if he has to track down every little piece of the creature for a hundred years with a little magnifying glass, walking in spiral patters, he'll do it.
I'm sure he'll do it, or at least try.
The point is the Thing won't passively wait around allowing itself to be found.

>>83077752
Did you miss the scene it easily traced Connors room?

>skynet discourages that kind of lateral thinking
Not for T-1000s. They were discontinued because they're too damn intelligent.

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>>83077695
>burrow underground where the T-1000 can't find it.
>burrowing into permafrost
By the time it gets unfrozen, the sun will be expanding

>>83071411
>Honestly, a more challenging scenario would if the T-1000 had orders to only kill the Thing but keep the humans alive.
So he's literally just like any other human on the base?

>>83078212
and?
It's goal is to survive.

>>83077823
Because it doesn't know that's a viable strategy. That's why the doggo didn't split up into tiny pieces to evade the helicopter. Besides, where would it get all the biomass for the copies?

>>83078279
The T-1000 is still looking for it, and since the thing is now frozen, it will be completely helpless when it inevitably gets caught

>>83077247
>this guy still thinks that that's his fusion point, and it couldn't possibly be anything else

>>83077872
All thats left at the end of the movie is deciding whether its childs or macready that is the thing.
This, after they blow up the entire station.

>>83078279
You really think the creature would survive Earth being consumed by a star?

>>83078069
It will be frozen?

>>83064091
I'd watch this movie

>>83078453
He's still moving a moment after getting doused in liquid nitrogen, so even if that wasn't his fusion point, it'd be pretty close. And I still have a margin of 200 degrees, probably even more because the -93 degrees is the historical lowest at fucking vostok base, the rest of the continent doesnt get that cold.
So fuck you for thinking you can refute an argument with memetext alone

>>83078502
one of them is the thing true but even if not the bodies left to burn in the buildings would not be turned to ash the outside of the bodies may be burnt but there would still be a gooey nougat center with live thing flesh all you have to do is look at real life fire victims in burnt down buildings if they were things it would still be alive on the inside

>>83078710
He might have been still moving due to physics, not due to his own strength.

You might be mixing up your degrees as well. -93 degree celsius for Antarctica, and -196 degrees celsius for liquid nitrogen. The difference is actually about 103 degrees celsius total, and his fusion point is somewhere between that and -196. If his fusion point is where he is entirely immobilized, then you still have to take into account how the lower temperatures will still have a slowing effect on him. He might not be a frozen statue, but he will certainly be freezing.

>>83078069
>The point is the Thing won't passively wait around allowing itself to be found.
The T-1000 massacred a building full of humans in a few minutes. This very much going to end with the T-1000 doing an extensive cleaning job. He'll probably have to build some angry little terminator Roombas or something.

T-1000, The Thing's main weapon is biting and the T-1000 can only be killed by lava. All T-1000 needs to do is find a large source of fire.

>>83079035
If the T-1000 is composed of nano machines then he can fuse at any point where motion is possible.

>>83079231
In the movie we are only told that he is liquid metal.

>>83079265
That sounds like something you would call a machine composed of little nano machines and his pieces show some agency.

>>83078970
>He might have been still moving due to physics, not due to his own strength
Metals are good temperature conductors, thwe temperature of his whole volume would have dropped farily quickly and evenly, so pretty sure he was close to LN temperature.
>You might be mixing up your degrees as well
Yeah, I was, the 200° is the difference in farenheit, still, 100°C is a very wide margin, weven wider because the base was probably located at a higher latitude than vostok. And the matter of fact is the thing cannot whitstand the local temperature, while the T-1000 can

>>83079460
It may "sound like" but all we know is that he is liquid metal. I don't think they ever said nanomachines.

>OP: THE T-1000 CANNOT OPERATE AT ANTARCTIC TEMPERATURES DESPITE MUCH BETTER ARGUMENTS TO THE CONTRARY REEEEEEEEE

Hire about this one: So he just wears a fuckin coat lol
Easy win for Skynet

>>83079481
The T-1000 would last longer in the cold than the Thing in theory, but he would likely have to track down multiple running instances of the Thing, as well as ensure the base was cleansed.

>>83064091
>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation or suspects someone the same way a human would.

Why is this even a thing to bring up when his orders are to kill everything

Stupid OP

>>83079583
He has all the time in the world as long as the temperature doesn't go below his fusion point

>>83079733

So wear a coat

>>83079488
That's true but I don't think it will freeze over time in arctic temperatures unless it has far less energy at it's disposal than other terminators.

>>83079727
We've been over that point. Read the thread.

>>83078141
A). Deleted scene
B). Scanning for hidden compartments is not the same thing as scanning for organic material. We have no reason to believe the T-1000 was doing anything more sophisticated than a sonar scan.

>>83064874
The thing has to "infect" someone to copy them
Can't infect nanomachines
Nanomachines son!

>>83080072
>Implying he can't see infrared

>>83080126
REEE THEY JUST SAID HE WAS LIQUID METAL, IT MIGHT BE SOME ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAN NANOMACHINES

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Could Jason realistically beat a Predator?

>Predator blows a hole through Jason
>As it walks to Jason's corpse he gets up, grabs the Predator and impales him with his blade

>>83067968
You're an absolute fucking retard if you think artic temperatures = liquid nitrogen temps

>>83080072
They literally say what hes doing in the BTS and commentary

>>83079733
>He has all the time in the world
Wrong.
He has until the the Thing makes it to another source of living materials to assimilate.

>>83080213
i would pay for this fight

>>83080259
That's not the movie.

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>>83080314
>Word of God doesn't mean shit

>>83080282
Good for him the thing is bound to freeze solid before finding anything to consume in the frozen wasteland they're stranded in

>>83080369
Correct.
It's called the Death of the Author.
If it's not actually in the work of fiction, it's fan-fiction subject to revision at a whim by the IP holder.

>>83080213
Jason is immortal to a retarded degree, so yes.
>>83080256
this same tired whining, give it a rest.

>>83080369
Crimson court when?

What form is The Thing taking for the fight.

It's basic assimilation forms won't stand much of a chance, but if it's a substantial biomass the T-1000 might not be able to do enough damage to stop it unless he has explosives.

>>83064091
What monster or villain from those two decades stands the absolute greatest chance of beating The Thing?

>>83072555
Don't bother last thread was the thing vs the flood and the people gobbling up the thing's dick will tell you it can go super saiyan and blow the world up it just didn't because it had a different plan but the speculations show very clearly that it could do all that stuff

>>83080305

I saw a copy of Mortal Kombat XL on sale for 20 bucks

So there you go

>>83080398
> The Thing is bound to freeze solid before finding anything
Wrong.
It survived as a dog and made it far enough to travel from one research station to another, at least once.
Antarctica is not as desolate as you think.
There are all sorts of living things for the Thing to assimilate. Microorganisms, lichen, fungi, nesting birds, penguins, fucking seals, all sorts of shit. Sure it's sparse from our perspective, but we're not an alien entity that can operate at a cellular level.

>>83080583
Automatically think of Godzilla whenever I see that opener.

The Thing would make Godzilla it's fucking bitch.

>>83080640
Godzilla would burn The Thing out of his own body like a fever.

>>83080677
Victims are shown to be unaware of their assimilation.

>>83080727
It's an automatic immune system response, assuming Godzilla can even be assimilated at all.

>>83080638
You're right. Thing is, the only significant gatherings of biomass ocurr near the coast so the thing has to:
1) Be lucky enough to go in the right direction
2) Outrun or evade the T-1000
3) Find something big enough to consume before freezing
So yeah, if the thing is extremely lucky it stands a chance at getting away

>>83079265
The new movie confirmed its nanomachines

>>83067968

The t-1000 froze with liquid nitrogen direct contact. I don't think it's safe to assume it would just freeze outside no matter how cold it was

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>>83080448

>>83080810
>1) Be lucky enough to go in the right direction
Not a problem as I'm sure it has a sense of smell at least as good as a dog's
>2) Outrun or evade the T-1000
Not a problem, the Thing can literally split up, and the T-1000 can only pursue one.
>3) Find something big enough to consume before freezing
Not a problem, nothing is too small to consume.

>>83081098
Cry moar nigger, nobody cares about "muh commentary" relating to a deleted scene that isn't even in the actual movie.

Why does everyone forget the T-1000 can also split up?

Implying The Thing will use an ordinary form and not a hyper-adaptive combat type.

>>83080454
Doesn't mean he cant lose an arm or a leg

Predator pulse cannon his fucking legs off till he is a stump

>>83081177
>Why does everyone forget the T-1000 can also split up?
It canonically cannot.

>>83064091

T-1000.

I don't see why the T-1000 wouldn't just fail safe and decide to just destroy the entire base and kill every biological creature that the Thing could possibly inhabit.

Like, what the thing going to do about the T-1000 just saying "Fuck it" and turning everything into ashes?

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>>83081287
It detached a piece of itself to use as a javelin in Genisys. Pieces blown off can still function independently in 2.

t-1000 was killed my a middle age feminist, a 12 year old boy with the help of a broken down robot with 1 arm

>>83081177
Because it can't. That's a different terminator from a Terminator comic or something.

>>83081343
>metal smelting
Jesus you're retarded

>>83067227
>since the Thing would have the easiest time assimilating them during the chaos.

Who cares if they're assimilated? Your plan is just to burn everyone and everything and give the Thing no place to hide?

The T-1000's first move is completely soak every person, dog, rat, and living cell in kerosene and burn it up. Who cares if it assimilates someone, they're getting toasted anyway. It's not going to bother testing anyone, just everyone gets the torch.

>>83081142
>Not a problem as I'm sure it has a sense of smell at least as good as a dog's
Highly dependent on where the base is located, strong winds and fresh snow will werase any trail and sweep away distant smells
>Not a problem, the Thing can literally split up, and the T-1000 can only pursue one.
Each split reduces the time it has before freezing. The thing doesn't know how much time it will have to wander before finding a meal, so this is extremely unadvisable
>Not a problem, nothing is too small to consume.
Bits of lichen won't delay its freezing for long. It needs something big to mantain its body heat

>>83067968
>Both the Thing and T-1000 have an inherent weakness to fire

The thing gets hit with a little molotov or burst of a flamethrower and is fucked.

The T-1000 was at the center of a Truck explosion and walked out like it was nothing.

>>83081449
everyone gets the torch and the thing still lives then we get to >>83074792

>>83069464
>but how does it prevent a little spider-head from walking out into the cold and freezing itself?

By tracking it with Terminator vision, infrared, computer tracking, motion tracking, ect, and then burning whatever it finds.

>>83081417

Since the t-1000 is still covered in living tissue(how else do they send him back in time?)

The thing could probably assimilate him. He would die durign the assimilation and the thing wins

>>83081596
>how else do they send him back in time?
rettconed
>The thing could probably assimilate him. He would die durign the assimilation and the thing wins
like the original terminator died after all his tissue was burned off?

>>83081335
>Genisys.
Why not cite comic books while we're at it?

>Pieces blown off can still function independently in 2.
We never see a piece of the T-1000 function independantly in any manner more sophisticated than rejoining the central mass.

>It could disguise itself
as a pack of cigarettes?
>No, only an object
of equal size.
This implies that it only has sophisticated control of bits itself in contact with the full mass of the T-1000.

>>83064091
it comes down to the T-1000 being a computer that needs to be given direct orders on what to do vs a living organism that thinks for itself

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>>83064392

>>83081682
Retconned?

By that shitty sequel that nobody saw?

lol who the fuck cares you fucking nerd

This

Humans can kill terminators with absolute easy. The Thing is much smarter/stronger/resilient than your average human

What if T-1000 nanos can directly break down and kill cellular life? I'm sure if it were necessary the nanomachines could operate similarly to the Thing's cells but instead of assimilation it destroys the host.

>>83081773
Can the thing mcgyver a steel furnace in the middle of antartica?

>>83073643
>T1000 is explicitly shown to be weak to super cold temperatures

-321 vs maybe -50.

There's a huge difference between the two, just like how there's a huge difference between molten steel hot (~3000 F, destroys T-1000) and just general flames (~1000 F, mild annoyance to T-1000.)

>>83081714
>cell
>dog
Is that a greentexting attempt?

>>83080910
>new movie
>implying retcons like that count
>>83081027
not frozen solid of course, but certainly impaired