>watched this movie as a child >loved it for the space

Pretty much the perfect movie for all ages. First titties I ever saw too

Frankly, I saw it as a utopian future for humanity. Imagine living in a true meritocracy where you had to prove your value to mankind to earn the kind of privileges that the scum of our kind abuse now.

>>82955475
Are you from Buenos Aires?

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>>82955546
>he doesn't realize he's one of the scum

>>82955475
>thinking the satire was subtle

>>82955475

Or maybe because its a trash adaptation of an equally poor science fiction story.

Any of Asimov's works >>>>>>>>>>> Stranger in a strange land>>>Starship troopers

>be shipped off to ww2 under force
>see thousands of men die many your friends
>come home
>write book about you experience
>make it about the necessity of surrendering yourself to the greater good,rigorous discipline and civic duty
>fast forward 50 years
>book gets called fascist an mocked by hollywood
easy to be anti war when you dont live in a world with nazis

>>82955475
seemed pretty anti war when i watched as a kid

>>82955475
I watched this as a kid and was terrified of the giant bugs

So much so I never finished it. I finally did finish it about three years ago

>>82955475
movie is awesome fun

>>82955998
You're a fag

>>82955475
>>82955998

Starship Troopersis a Verhoven Movie First and Science Fiction movie Second

No one did and ever will do social satire like Verhoven

>>82956027
You clearly didn't read the book then, if it was just a book about heroism in the face of tyranny then it'd be fine, but those """"philosophy"""" chapters were fucking cringe.

If you seriously believe that being a veteran is required for citizenship, you're deranged.

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>>82956241

You completely failed to refute one word of it. Heinlein has his argument. Where is yours?

>>82955475
Way to go against the grain, OP.

>>82955475
I got the satire as a kid I think you might have had developmental problems.

>>82955546
Most of the people who abuse our society are the mega-wealthy. They use their influence to hurt the people below them.

And nobody questions it because they assume you have to be successful and a hard worker to get that money.

>>82955475
Paul Verhoeven is a god and Hollywood won't rest until they remake all of his movies and create pure garbage in the process.

Who badmouths this movie? It bombed but a lot of great movies did in the 90s (Waterworld et al).

Too bad whats her name didn't show those stellar tits. She did in that movie with Kevin Bacon at least. They are amazing.

I was 10 years old when I saw this and thought it was a starcraft movie.

I was a p dumb kid

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>he isn't doing his part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmDnfBVNcHY

>>82955475


>subtle

This movie was fucking trash

>IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BAD

>>82959172
> too smart to be toosmarted

>>82956892
If you're talking about Denise Richards her tits are alright but nothing special.

>>82956241
>If you seriously believe that being a veteran is required for citizenship, you're deranged.
Why should people that aren't willing to sacrifice be given privileges earned by sacrifice?

>>82956156
on point

>>82955546
>Imagine living in a true meritocracy where you had to prove your value to mankind to earn the kind of privileges that the scum of our kind abuse now.

You know that was part of the satire, right?
You're supposed to realise how fucked up a system like that would be.

>>82955475
yeah you watched mike and jay do a re:view of it and instantly became an expert

>>82955517
Same. Middle school or high school me was all about Diz, but now that I'm a gentleman of maturity and discernment I prefer the big, saggy titties in the shower.

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>>82961034
>satire

Failed satire.

>You're supposed to realise how fucked up a system like that would be

He sure showed us.

Verhoeven: Look at how horrible those good looking, strong and brave fascists are. Don't be a hero like them. Be like us socialist freaks of nature.

>>82961241
>only socialists hate fascism BRO
isn't this what the kids call a strawman?

>>82961305
Stop oppressing political minorities. It's 2017, bigot.

>>82956027
>when you dont live in a world with nazis
Uhhh they're called white people

>>82961241
>Failed satire.

No, American's just can't understand satire.

>subtle anti-war satire
>subtle
>not picking up on the heavily pro-fascist themes that the JEW couldn't scrub off no matter how hard he tried

>>82956200
That's a great shot, looks exactly like most shot heads.

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>>82961305
>strawman

Wrong. Verhoeven is socialist. Period.

>>82956027
Heinlein didn't go to war.

>>82955475
>watch it another time
>realize it's describing utopia

>stormfags don't even know when they're being made fun of
wew lad

>>82961727
>h-haha, you stupid stormfags with your stable society and technological advancement
ouch, how will they ever recover

>>82956156
*Verhoeven. At least correctly spell his name...

>>82961790
>>82961727
>y-your'e dumb
>n-no, y-you're dum
truly a battle of the greatest 4chan minds

>>82961845
Where in this post >>82961790 does it say anything like
>>n-no, y-you're dum
anon?

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>>82956200
>MEDIC !

>>82961993
Told you they don't know when they're being made fun of.

>>82961993
that guy is literally gary oldman.

>>82962002
What do you suggest Rico should be doing instead?

>>82961790
>stable society
Do you believe this is actually how fascism works in practice?

>>82962065
Does it matter? It's portrayed that way in the movie this thread and the argument I'm replying to is about.

>>82961241
>Don't be a hero like them.
If those meatheads were heroes then so were the American 'liberators' of Iraq.

Sacrificing your life so that a few rich sociopaths can make a few more bucks is not heroic.

>>82962094
>Does it matter?
The movie is about fascism, of course it fucking matters.

If I made a movie showing Stalin's USSR as a paradise, would that be a coherent argument for the benefits of Stalinism?

And besides, the world depicted in ST is fucking horrible anyway, I don't want to be murdered by Eldritch Abominations in the other half of the Galaxy because my 'superiors' think my civic virtue is insufficient.

I have never heard anyone "diss" starship troopers
its always talked about as a classic thats really fun to watch. A good rainy sunday movie
Dizzy is best girl btw

>>82956241
GTFO you smelly anarcho communist

>>82962186
>If I made a movie showing Stalin's USSR as a paradise, would that be a coherent argument for the benefits of Stalinism?
How would a movie portraying stalinism in an extremely positive light "make fun of stalinism", anon?

>I don't want to be murdered by Eldritch Abominations in the other half of the Galaxy because my 'superiors' think my civic virtue is insufficient.
Are people forced to serve in ST, anon?

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>>82962127
>meatheads

You sound so weak and pathetic. Heinlein was absolutely right. You pajama boys should never be given political power.

>>82961241
The only people who think Starship Troopers depicts a society that is desirable, are people who think they'd be one of the ones who get to be citizens.

No, anon. You'd wash out of boot camp because you're a fat NEET, if you even bothered to sign up at all.

Was the meteor an inside job?
Why are there white people in Buenos Aires?

Does Starship troopers fit into the Aliens universe?

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>>82962293
>he says, while posting on an anonymous imageboard dedicated to the discussion of television and film
The ones who advocate mostly eagerly for a ruthlessly regimented society are always the weaklings, rejects and failures of the present society.

Funny that, isn't it stormcuck?

;)

>>82962272
>How would a movie portraying stalinism in an extremely positive light "make fun of stalinism", anon?
Because any sane person knows that the exact opposite is the case. Now you're being willfully ignorant.

>Are people forced to serve in ST, anon?
If they want to advance in society, yes, 'anon'.

And when they finally pick on a civilization they can't fuck over, you can GUARANTEE those fucks would enlist everyone to die for their egos.

>>82962308

You couldn't be more wrong if your tried. I'm a Navy veteran. You are a horrible judge of character.

>>82962416
*for what they perceive as a ruthlessly regimented society, since fascism turns into a hopelessly corrupt clusterfuck every time, primarily because of people like you

>>82962293

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>>82962425
>I'm a Navy veteran.
>Navy
Well that explains everything.

>>82962416
>If they want to advance in society, yes
Define "advance in society".

>And when they finally pick on a civilization they can't fuck over, you can GUARANTEE those fucks would enlist everyone to die for their egos.
Nice headcanon, but we're discussing a movie here.

>>82962368
The asteroid either had to be a false flag by the Earth Government (or an random accident they blamed on the bugs) or the bugs have technology that vastly exceeds anything shown or mentioned in the movie.

>not realizing the whole film is just a meta recruitment drive for the federation

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>>82962434
>turns into a hopelessly corrupt clusterfuck every time

Completely wrong. The hero Pinochet saved his country from scum like you. Then he retired. A better society will be created over your dead body.

>>82962548
>or the bugs have technology that vastly exceeds anything shown or mentioned in the movie.
That's the case in the books. It's pretty unfortunate that the director only glanced over the source material

>>82962517
> define advance in society

As a civilian you can't
> vote
> be involved in any political position
> go to college without paying shitloads of money
> easily get licenses to have kids

And probably a lot more.

>>82962634
Why do you think you're entitled to these privileges?

>>82955998
>Or maybe because its a trash adaptation of an equally poor science fiction story.
Wouldn't a good movie be considered a trash adaptation if the original is shit? So good job, you just told us nothing of the quality of the film.

I enjoyed it both saitirically and non-ironically.

I'm a fan of the book and agree that huge limitations to political franchise would significantly improve white/european societies.

At the same time that satirization of heinleins utopia was hilarious.

Awesome film.

YOU TRYNA BE A HERO WATKINS?

I'M JUST TRYNA KILL SOME BUGS SIR

>>82962569
>Completely wrong. The hero Pinochet saved his country from scum like you. Then he retired. A better society will be created over your dead body.
This is factually incorrect. All of it.

Learn some basic history before celebrating CORRUPT sociopaths like Pinochet who would have had no scruples over dropping you from a helicopter, you fucking cretin.

>>82962687
Why wouldn't we be?

What gives you the right to decide, you dumb faggot?

>>82962735
>I'm a fan of the book and agree that huge limitations to political franchise would significantly improve white/european societies.

/pol/yps just can't blend in. This is actually hilarious.

>>82962862
>Why wouldn't we be?
Because providing these privileges to everyone wouldn't, as you put it, "advance society".

>What gives you the right to decide, you dumb faggot?
What gives you the right then? Right now it's the social consensus. Said consensus shifted in the universe we're talking about and provided a clearly superior system to the one we have now.

>>82956241
You don't have to be mobile infantry to gain citizenship, you could labour on some shitshow colony and still be considered a veteran

>>82962910
>Because providing these privileges to everyone wouldn't, as you put it, "advance society".
Why not?

>What gives you the right then?
Because it's my life. I'll do what I want with it. I don't need to 'justify' it, that burden is on you for why you want to deprive me of them.

>Right now it's the social consensus.
>dude it's just a social construct xD

>Said consensus shifted in the universe we're talking about and provided a clearly superior system to the one we have now.
>clearly superior

Now I'm convinced that you're either trolling or only paid attention to the simply ebin bug fights (where the humans got ripped to shreds anyway)

>>82956586
>Most of the people who abuse our society are the mega-wealthy
grow up

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>>82962862

Pinochet was so loved by his people that they still celebrate him to this day, despite all the propaganda against him. All you have to do is look at starving Venezuela to see that Pinochet was completely right about everything.

>Why wouldn't we be?

You do not deserve them and are too weak and cowardly to defend those privileges.

>What gives you the right to decide

My will and ability to use force. If you actually read Starship Troopers, then you would know that.

"And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.”

>>82963047
>Why not?
Because "everyone" includes lazy and incapable people, and having those vote and breed isn't going to have a positive effect on your society, especially long term.

>Because it's my life. I'll do what I want with it.
That's nice. That still doesn't mean you're entitled to privileges that impact other peoples lives against their consent.

>dude it's just a social construct xD
Yes, it is.

>clearly superior
>Now I'm convinced that you're either trolling or only paid attention to the simply ebin bug fights (where the humans got ripped to shreds anyway)
Do we have Starship Trooper tier space travel or biomechanical technology? (Y/N)

>>82961305
Aren't nazis national socialists though?

You'd better be anti-social or you might become a nazi, bro!

>>82961241
LOL, it's not like I watched the movie and thought "Wow, I wish I lived in a fascist society full of militarist propaganda and weird gung-ho energy, like everyone is in high school."

>>82963145
Pinochet was a sack of shit whose goons raped and tortured people.

>>82955925

Oldfag here. Way too many professional critics at the time it was released panned it because they thought it was pro-war/fascism. They didn't understand it was satire.

>>82956406
>anon brings up voting rights
>you attempt to counter with a passage on the nature of punishment
???

>>82959875
people who aren't willing to sacrifice aren't able to vote because they're imprisoned for tax evasion

>>82955475
pity that the sequels chug shit from an elephant trough

>>82962945
then what is the point of the "hurrrrrr put your life on the line for citizenship" when literally all it amounts to is being forced to work in the public sector?

i used to work as a cook at the naval shipyard in everett, washington. how am i different from a cook at any other shipyard?

>>82962910
>Said consensus shifted in the universe we're talking about
it was a forced coup d'etat by the military. he never mentions any sort of popular consensus.

>and provided a clearly superior system to the one we have now.
yea because he wrote it to be that way. shit if i knew it was that easy to sway your feeble mind id just write a picture book about how wonderful communism is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taKCzDhtujc

>>82963741
>it was a forced coup d'etat by the military. he never mentions any sort of popular consensus.
A bit like when some revolutionaries killed off the monarchs, huh?
>yea because he wrote it to be that way.
We can just look at the real world technological advances thanks to the nazis to see that there's something to it.

>>82963832
This post single-handedly destroyed any credibility you had left.
I'll leave you to figure out why.

>>82963103
t.trust fund baby with cognitive dissonance

>>82963874
No thanks, help me out :^)

>reeeeeee people having to serve to become politicians is shit
>fuck drumpf tho

>>82963832
>A bit like when some revolutionaries killed off the monarchs, huh?
???
>We can just look at the real world technological advances thanks to the nazis
???

>>82963928
>it's bad when a few people change the political system regardless of popular consensus
>dude democracy lmao

>>82963954
so then i take it you're dropping your previous claim that the shift was due to a "consensus" and not a military takeover?

do you have adhd or something? can you stick to a single point you try to make for more than one post?

>>82964007
You don't see civilians rebel, do you?

>all these buttblasted liberals itt that think ST was anti-war

It was a movie about killing space bugs. Why go to such lengths to give it a "deeper meaning"?

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>>82962416
>stormcuck
>willfully ignorant
>'anon'
Oh sweetly you know how I know you're new here? Hunny just don't post for a while. Poor baby.

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>>82964007
You do know more than one person is talking to you right? You're not as clueless as you're presenting yourself, right? You ... oh never mind.

>>82964070
The director and writer have both spoken at length about the anti-war message of the movie, it's not a deeper meaning, no lengths have been gone to
https://youtu.be/vlRm1y4EzhA

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>No new Alien threads

This'll do.

Scott is a fucking hack.

>>82964241
>the movie displays a future human utopia being under attack by alien bugs
>it also shows how waging war is at once both horrible and glorious
>but this 5 minute commentary says it's anti-war, so it's anti-war

If they really, REALLY wanted it to make a satirical movie, they failed.

>>82964044
what?

>>82964183
please link your posts. when im following a specific discussion i tend to take it for granted that im talking to the same poster when i receive a prompt reply that happens to sound like the same poster

you wouldnt happen to be the kind of pathetic sniveling faggot that attempts to samefag for whatever reason, right?

>>82964435
>utopia
>basically every senior is displayed as being maimed/dismembered in some way

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>>82964539
>basically every senior is displayed as being maimed/dismembered in some way

>>82964539
>basically every senior is displayed as being maimed/dismembered in some way

They get prosthetics from the goverment, so yeah, utopia.

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>>82963145
>>82962569

>>82964601
How's Venezuela doing right now?

>>82964567
That arm looks like fucking shit.

>>82964644
>instantly resorts to whataboutism
>does so without a hint of cognitive dissonance
This is honestly sad.

>>82956586
>And nobody questions it because they assume you have to be successful and a hard worker to get that money.
>And nobody questions it

back2reddit

>>82964660
Just curious, now that this evil person at fault for all bad in Venezuela is gone, clearly it should do great, right?

I mean, that's what's happening there right now, isn't it?

>>82964567
oh okay i gues you're just going to go the route of just brushing everything aside so you dont have to expend the effort of having a thought.

thats cool dude.

>>82964598
that makes everything hunky dory? do they make prosthetic for your brain getting shot out like that one kid in boot?

>>82962127

honestly nothing about the starship troopers movie seems to indicate that the system has been hijacked/controlled by the upper economic classes

the movie obviously is satire on the nationalistic government, but even rico's wealthy parents are citizens and just seem to mope around in their house all day

>>82964693
>do they make prosthetic for your brain getting shot out like that one kid in boot?

He knew what he got into. He had a choice to go or not go, and he did.

>>82962416
>Are people forced to serve in ST, anon?
>If they want to advance in society, yes, 'anon'.

>rico's parents are super wealthy, have a nice house, etc, despite not being citizens

>>82964670
I wasn't claiming him to be at fault for all the shit in Venezuela, that's ridiculous. He was still an awful leader and as bad as any other communist dictator you'd shitpost about. Venezuela is shit right now because they based their economy solely on exporting oil

>>82964693
>brushing everything aside
No, just the part where whining about some lost bodyparts as a negative, since they're obviously are getting taken care of properly.

>Nazis horribly planned for WW2, got BTFO, and occupied for decades
>people still worship them

I literally don't understand

>>82964750
They're imbeciles. You're reading too much into this.

>>82964750
Because they were right about everything, every year after their loss becoming another piece of proof for that.
Can't admit that the bad guys won when you're it, though.

>>82964539

>a whole two former veterans have missing limbs

>EVERY SENIOR CITIZEN IS AN AMPUTEE

thank god you dont make satire because subtlety isnt in your vocabulary

>>82963150

I think you're taking this citizen / civilian thing too far, guy. Civilians aren't trash, they're just not citizens. Johnny Rico's parents were civilians, and they still had a nice place, nice job, a kid, etc. They were going to send him on vacation and such. People can absolutely have great lives and contribute without being a citizen, and Johnny Rico's rich businessman dad is probably a lot better member of society than a lot of retired grunts. Takes all kinds.

>>82964750 (You)
I agree

>>82964670
why are you talking about Venezuela when someone else linked Pinochet?

>>82964789

>right about everything
>German High Command estimated the Soviets could only field and equip 50 reserve divisions during Operation Barbarossa
>they fielded and equipped 816 divisions
>America is the most diverse country in the world
>is also the richest and lone superpower

Really makes you think

>>82964802
>reading things into something that's not there: the post

>>82964836
>>America is the most diverse country in the world
>>is also the richest and lone superpower
Correlation doesn't mean causation :^)

In fact, it became the lone superpower when it had its industrial shit still intact after the war. It was also 90+% white back then, so much for diversity.

>>82964716
given the context of the film, its actually debatable whether he did know what he was getting into or not

the film was more directly lambasting propaganda than war in general

>>82964746
>whining about some lost bodyparts as a negative
are you being facetious or are you unironically posting this? what the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>82964865

>less and less whites in America
>still #1
>California alone is the 5th largest economy in the world and is 38% white
>meanwhile West Virginia is 94% white and the poorest state in the union

Really makes you think

>>82964896
>given the context of the film, its actually debatable whether he did know what he was getting into or not

The commander explicitly told the recruits the excercise will require live ammunition, no?

>>82964909
Slaves make you rich the south knew this, what are you trying to prove?

>>82964909
>While California is pulling apart across the board, the average net worth of African Americans is just 14 percent that of whites, and for Latinos just 15 percent that of whites.
Oh yeah diversity is great isn't it, all those diverse rich people.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6673042

worst thread right now, on the worst board

>>82964909
>he thinks commiefornia is successful due to diversity and not the combination of Hollywood+tech companies that prop up nearly the entire state's economy

>>82964924
i mean signing up.
also, it wasnt wholly his responsibility. rico told him to take off his helmet.

basically what im getting at by him fully knowing or not is that hes clearly been targeted all his life by propaganda telling him how fucking cool and vital it is to be a soldier. hes aware of the dangers of war, but he spent his entire youth downplaying those dangers compared to the supposed rewards.

>>82965091

>jews, asians, and foreigners make massively successful media and tech companies
>white people sit around and do meth

poetry

>>82965120
See
>>82965060

>>82965120

Red States were a mistake. We should have let the South go and stay go.

>>82965079
/pol/ is leaking fucking everywhere

>>82965204

r/the_donald got shut down so all the reddit refugees have flooded in

>>82955517
Too bad those tits are fucking terrible

>>82963928
>>A bit like when some revolutionaries killed off the monarchs, huh?
>???
>>We can just look at the real world technological advances thanks to the nazis
>???
???

>>82964896
>are you being facetious or are you unironically posting this?
People sign up to military service out of their own volition, knowing the risk of losing body parts. The government is nice enough to compensate them in such cases with advanced prosthetics.

Where's your problem?

>>82965117
>i mean signing up.
You could have a nice job, a house and a family without going to the army.
You just couldn't vote and wouldn't be a citizen.

>basically what im getting at by him fully knowing or not is that hes clearly been targeted all his life by propaganda telling him how fucking cool and vital it is to be a soldier. hes aware of the dangers of war, but he spent his entire youth downplaying those dangers compared to the supposed rewards.

All young people downplay danger and many organizations,even today.exploit this. It isn't that surprising that in a society that values military service (like many countries with mandatory military service do today) there would be more incentive to sign up.

>>82962634
>I can't wait to get my breeding license so I can teach my kids how free and happy we are
>"Inalienable rights", is that like rights for bugs, you fucking civilian?

>>82965327
>You just couldn't vote and wouldn't be a citizen.
do you think that isnt a clear form of social pressure to enlist?

>All young people downplay danger and many organizations,even today.exploit this. It isn't that surprising that in a society that values military service (like many countries with mandatory military service do today) there would be more incentive to sign up.
thanks for agreeing with me i guess?

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>>82965426
Daily reminder that if you kill bugs, they win

>>82965460
>do you think that isnt a clear form of social pressure to enlist?
No. If you think you're important enough that your voice should influence politics, you might very well go and earn the right to do so

>>82965460
>do you think that isnt a clear form of social pressure to enlist?
Yes, because to become a citizen and vote, you have to sign up. There is a point to this.

>thanks for agreeing with me i guess?
Ok.

>>82965496
okay so you do not understand the concept of social pressure. okay.

>you might very well go and earn the right to do so
i earned that right by contributing part of the value of my labor to the government. or perhaps only citizens are taxed in his universe, or perhaps his government is actually facist and runs and profits off industry directly. i dont really remember if its explained in detail in the book.

>>82965496
Yes, because spending a few years under the thumb of the military shows that you're qualified to use your vote in a meaningful matter
Oh wait it doesn't that requirement doesn't make any sense whatsoever

>>82965577
>i earned that right by contributing part of the value of my labor to the government.
So non-tax payers shouldn't be allowed to vote? I agree.
We should get rid of having to sign up for the draft while we're at it though.

>>82965618
You now have a vested and proven interest in the future of your country. Seems simple to me anon.

>>82965618
>Yes, because spending a few years under the thumb of the military shows that you're qualified to use your vote in a meaningful matter
Those are the people that'll fight for and die to upkeep society. Of course they should be the ones that primarily have a say in it.

Why should someone be able to interfere with how things are run when there are no direct consequences for them?

>>82965618
the sentiment is that voting requires putting your lfie on the line for the sake of society.

however clearly not everyone that enlists puts their life on the line to the same degree as everyone else. you could go join the infantry meatgrinder, or you can go be a pencil pusher somewhere where you're no more likely to meet any danger as the civilians around you. which sort of defeats the purpose, but whatever, dont thnk too hard about it.

>>82965688
>Why should someone be able to interfere with how things are run when there are no direct consequences for them?
Because politics are not limited to military matters

>>82965769
>Because politics are not limited to military matters
That's exactly what they are when you translate "military matters" to "force". Can't have a government without the ability to project force both externally and internally, sorry.

>>82965769
Indeed they're not, but those are the most important matters, and people who don't realise it shouldn't be given permission to destroy society. Which you absolutely would without knowing what's going on outside the bubble of protection the military are giving you for free.

If you want to be an adult and make adult decisions, you have to act like an adult.

>>82965688
>Those are the people that'll fight for and die to upkeep society.
what about the guys that heinlein explicitly mentions dont have to fight? the guys who sign up to be pencil pushers? do they just get half a vote?

>Of course they should be the ones that primarily have a say in it.
explain, because it doesnt seem very "of course" to me. it doesnt seem that way to our actually existing government either. but perhaps you know better?

>Why should someone be able to interfere with how things are run when there are no direct consequences for them?
because he pays taxes. why are yu so myopic you think influencing how your own community runs wouldnt have an effect on you? why would some jarhead be better qualified to decide on what kind of funding the road maintenance crews in your city get?

>>82965829
>yu
AHAHAHAAHAH

>>82965822
>the military are giving you for free.
?

>>82965695
>the sentiment is that voting requires putting your lfie on the line for the sake of society.

Fair enough. The freedoms you enjoy today weren't made possible by people who were afraid of getting hurt.

>>82965883
>?
?

>>82965791
>That's exactly what they are when you translate "military matters" to "force".
Which is a dumb thing to do because there's differences between force through military operations and politics, you can't just straight up equate them, they use completely different mechanisms, have different areas of application, and are straight up distinct concepts
>Indeed they're not, but those are the most important matters
Depends on a huge host of variables, so no, that blanket statement is not valid. If your society is the only one around, then suddenly the focus is on domestic, social issues instead of military ones, for example
>and people who don't realise it shouldn't be given permission to destroy society.
Yes, and people who did nothing but hold a weapon for a few years certainly have the know-how to uphold society as opposed to the plebes who do not have this amazing life experience
>If you want to be an adult and make adult decisions, you have to act like an adult.
What a meaningless sentence, anon

>>82965906
im asking you what you meant by the military giving us something for free

are we not paying for them in heinleins universe?

Starship Troopers is like a test.

If you watch the movie and think "yay, the good guys won, what a wholesome victory for the utopian future humans" then in the eyes of Verthoven you have failed.

You arnt wrong, because you can't be wrong about your own beliefs, but the movie is an equivilent of a subtle bait image or copypasta on 4chan. It's complete bullshit, but believable enough (and never blatantly gives away the joke) that some people don't notice.

>>82961993
There have been people who survived a shot in the head
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dbe_1329944541&comments=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Sobel

>>82965474
Daily reminder that the Federation did Buenos Aires and the bugs did nothing wrong

>>82965688
Consent of the governed it the primary justification for the sovereignty of a democratic government. If only the soldiers can vote then the governed are not giving consent and the sovereignty is derived in its entirely from a monopoly on force.

It's the literal tyranny at its most basic level.

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>>82966203
>Consent of the governed it the primary justification for the sovereignty of a democratic government.
I wonder what happens when you stop consenting.
Oh wait.

>>82956892
>Waterworld

Waterworld is B-movie that had the misfortune of having A-movie budget.

>>82966203
>It's the literal tyranny at its most basic level.
No, because you can gain those rights any time you want. You just have to earn them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsR4O4W0w

>>82961790
>stormfags
>contributing to anything
y'all are antisocial dinguses who everyone feels uncomfortable around except for your 'redpill' hugbox zones

>>82966294
>You must earn your inalienable rights
Really makes you think

>>82964708
>>82964723
hang on, how did Ricos parents have a baby if they were civvies?
only citizens can have kids, thats why the girl in the shower scene signed up.

>>82966241
>Civil War era America
>Democracy

They still thought it was okay to own people back then.

>>82966349
>inalienable rights
Provably wrong if you drawing an X on a piece of paper doesn't translate to real world change.

>>82966294
>you just have to participate in the monopoly on force
good job explicitly proving his point

>>82966367
iirc she just said it was easier to get a license if you served, not that it was impossible.

>>82966349
>I can do x therefore every society should
lol
>Really makes you think
Clearly doesn't

>>82966367
She says its "much easier" to have kids. Not that it's the only way.

Maybe it's some kind of one child policy for civilians, or you just have to pay (like the other guy at Boot camp who wanted to go to Havard but couldn't afford it without citizenship).

It's never made 100% clear.

>>82964120
stormcuck has no argument like usual lol

>>82966413
Basic rights are the foundation of a free society. Adding conditions beyond obeying the law of the land is tyranny. There's no way around that.

Maybe you're okay with that, but that's the point the film was making.

>>82961034
Where are the critiques of totalitariantotalitarianism famm?

In Brazil we saw clear critiques line tge absurdity of a clerical spelling error leading to a guy getting tazed to death because of the iversaturated burocracy. But I saw no such critiques in starship troop

>>82966512
>Basic rights are the foundation of a free society.
Why should those basic rights include voting = participating in the governing process that's granting you rights in the first place?

>>82966525
speaking of clerical spelling errors

>>82966512
The point the film was making is that liberals are idiots who live in a protective bubble created by the military, and their decision to not let you disassemble it without working for it first is the only sensible one, as civilians have stupid ideas like going on holiday to Zegama Beach.

>>82966566
>MUH LIB-RULLZ
>HHHHHHHUUUUUURRRRRR

>>82966553
because you contribute to your government with part of the value of your labor.

why should taxation not equal representation?

>>82955475
>watched this movie as a kid
>man this is so cool with the bugs and gore and sex
>watched this movie a few months ago
>what the hell this movie is awful, the actors are terrible, fucking Denise Richards, really?

>>82966566
im pretty sure the point of the film was satirizing government propaganda.

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https://youtu.be/9KQ9mAuI1Ro

What did Paul mean by that scene?

>>82966579
>Make a post claiming liberals are idiots
>This is the liberal response
Really, thanks. I couldn't have asked for better.

>>82966606
The FedNet segments are what everyone remembers but it's barely 5 minutes of the movie in total.

>>82964567
are you going to completely ignore the fact he had no fucking legs

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>>82955546
>Always some poor, dumb loser claiming Western society isn't at all meritocratic.

You're just a piece of shit mate, the system is set up fairly well. Be glad you get your welfare, otherwise you'd be on the street, stealing and fighting for drugs.

>>82966586
>because you contribute to your government with part of the value of your labor.
The government creates the environment that's given you labor in the first place. Taxes are just rent.

>why should taxation not equal representation?
Because then you'd open the can of: why can people that don't pay net taxes vote? And once that's open those rights stop being inalienable but bound to certain conditions, and then you have to explain why those conditions are ok but others like military service (as is the case with having to sign up to the draft in the US anyway) aren't.

>>82966586
Taxation is theft and violates the NAP

>>82966553
Because government, by definition, cannot grant you rights; they can only remove them to facilitate society. That's okay to a degree provided that the government does not operate without the consent of those people (also>>82966586).

Participation in government is not something you get to do if you're a good boy, it's something you're owed by rights. It's their end of the social contract.

>>82966634
Neither does the actor, is that a criticism of the military too?

>>82966634
>there are functional hand prosthetics
>leg prosthetics though? nope
come on anon

>>82966647
kek hit me with some of those ancap balls

>>82966666
I'd post a retort but you have quints so nothing I say can beat you

>>82966626
>LIB
>RRRRUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>82966667
Well then why doesn't he have robot legs too?
Either the army doesn't give a fuck about vets and doesn't give them enough money to afford basic health care and multiple prosthetic limbs, or it only provides them what they need to do their job and doesn't give a shit about their quality of life.

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>>82962425
>Navy

>>82966653
>government, by definition, cannot grant you rights
Then why do they?

>>82966637
Hey, it's a lot better than it's ever been but that doesn't mean we can't make it better.

>>82966690
Are you ok, anon? Maybe you should browse a bit tumblr or reddit to relax...

>>82956586
Your first sentence is true, but your second sentence is false. Everyone talks about it, all the fucking time.

It is worth remembering however, that corruption is inherent, we must endeavour to minimise it, whilst remembering that all are fallible as all are necessaryily morally incomplete.

Until governance is seen as the ultimate position in society, are rewarded thusly, we will never see the best rise to the top.
At least, for now, we can be content in the truth that the West has it pretty fucking good, certainly by world standards and beyond comprehension by the standards of human civilisation across time.

I was probably 12 when I saw it first so was old enough to pick up on the overtly satirical PSA segments first time around as a youngster (though didn't pay them much mind as I just wanted to see assplosions and giant space bugs and wasn't looking for depth in movies at that age), but wasn't until seeing it again years later that I noticed the subtle and underlying aspects

I didn't know it was made by Verhoeven who is obviously known for satire

>>82966638
>The government creates the environment that's given you labor in the first place.
with my money and my consent.
>. Taxes are just rent.
taxes are the vehicle that give my rights. you are objectively wrong and i am objectively right, and these facts are backed by the actual real government that you are participating in right now.
>why can people that don't pay net taxes vote
such as whom?

>>82966734
They don't for the reasons I said. You have rights inherently as much as you have a name or an opinion. They just haven't taken your rights away, and that's a massive difference.

>>82966763
>Until governance is seen as the ultimate position in society, are rewarded thusly, we will never see the best rise to the top.
That argument is what MPs use to vote themselves raises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJrFECo6ho

>>82961241
>Verhoeven: Look at how horrible those good looking, strong and brave fascists are. Don't be a hero like them. Be like us socialist freaks of nature.
Not getting that they are taking these strong, pretty looking vapid twits and turning them into cannonfodder.
A lot of the older people we see are crippled in some way. This is what happens after "the system" really is allowed to have its way with them. It leaves them mentally and physically maimed.

>>82966734
have you read the bill of rights lately?

>>82966843
>The government refers to itself as the people so it is
I can't even tell whose licking whose boots in here anymore

>>82966871
the government refers to rights as those that can or cannot be taken away, not as something that was given by the government

>>82966871
>Inb4 that Mark Twain speech

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>a magical piece of paper says I have X number of 'rights' therefore I do
Lawmakers are the most autistic people on the planet

>>82965219
Again? Goddammit.

>>82966723
>Well then why doesn't he have robot legs too?
Because he doesn't need them while sitting and him being crippled might have some recruits reconsider before they sign up.

>>82966790
>You have rights inherently as much as you have a name
The name I have got granted to me by my parents though.

Just like the rights I have are de facto granted to me by my government.

>>82966950
the magical piece of paper literally explicitly says "this is not an exhaustive list" verbatim
https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/bill-rights-unenumerated-rights/

you're disgusting stupid and you dare talk about something you have no clue over.

>>82967075
Your name is what you call yourself, which is usually what your parents chose for you.

Again, government cannot grant rights simply by definition. You're mistaking being given rights with not having them taken from you. Those are not the same thing.

>>82967075
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

You are not granted rights by the government.

>>82955475
>people who diss it are just edgy dilettante hipsters.
What if I diss it for being a horrible adaptation?

>>82967171
>government cannot grant rights
They can and do.

>simply by definition
More words on pieces of paper.

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>>82964397

>>82967171
>Your name is what you call yourself, which is usually what your parents chose for you.
And what the government puts on those pieces of papers that declare me as such. And what my peers would call me also.

>Again, government cannot grant rights simply by definition.
Again, the real world works differently where you don't have any inherent rights other than what whoever governs you grants you.

How would you even know what rights you inherently have unless you were to consult a piece of paper crafted by a government at some point?

>>82967180
>not noticing the irony of using a government paper

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>>82966834
They NEED raises, vast raises to put them on par with, if not above CEOs of wealthy corporations.

Not at all because the current crop are in any way worthy of the money, but because then the role of politician becomes properly aspirational, instead of a dumbing zone for the dregs of upper class society.

It is the common peasant, refusing to pay his leaders well, who in so doing commits himself to the fate of poor governance.

>>82967124
>you're disgusting stupid and you dare talk about something you have no clue over.
>disgusting stupid
lol

>you dare
Wtf is this?

Are you THAT butthurt that I mocked your little piece of paper?

>>82967246
not noticing the irony of an appeal to the power of the government to grant you rights while i use the power of the government to grant me the right to show you how fucking wrong you are
ironic indeed.

>>82955546
>I saw it as a utopian future for humanity. Imagine living in a true meritocracy where you had to prove your value to mankind
But why can I only prove my vale to mankind through military service?

How was this satire when it made fascism look awesome.

>>82967272
The pay of CEOs are the ones that have expanded rapidly beyond anyone else in society, they need their pay cut.

And Ministers get paid far beyond what any pleb gets, then they can claim all their expenses back too. The current career politicians should be put against the wall and shot, and the government should be picked randomly from the list of all citizens.

>>82967314
>while i use the power of the government to grant me the right
Exactly, thanks.

>>82966559
> sir we can't refute tge point, what do we do

>attack his grammar and spelling of course

> a brilliant stratagem my leige

>>82967320
Liberals think the military should be disbanded and they should surrender to the bugs who will then grant them all the right to vote for the brain bug of their choice.

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>muh rights
This thread took a spooky turn

>>82967225
>Ceci n'est pas une government
If you think that then it's because you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a government actually is.

>>82967246
>you don't have any inherent rights other than what whoever governs you grants you
If I do not burn down your house I have not granted you the right to live there. It's the same principle

>>82967246
>How would you even know what rights you inherently have
By the free exercise thereof. I have the right to do anything up until the point the government tries to stop me. That is what it means for rights to be inherent and not granted.

>>82967422
>>82967448
It's astonishing the level of brainwashing the young are getting these days, when did you finish high school?

>>82967397
>tge

>>82967448
>By the free exercise thereof. I have the right to do anything up until the point the government tries to stop me.
Why would you call that a "right" when with that definition "rights" become meaningless as a descriptive term?

>>82967472
damn you sure showed us with that hot rebuttal

>>82967472
>TFW intellectually checkmated

Odd kind of brainwashing. Gotta wonder who benefits from teaching people that their country belongs to them and that they have the right to try to change what they disagree with.

>>82967503
because i have the right to. you're free to disagree, the government isnt going to stop you.

whats the point of saying the govn't grants you rights when the govn't themselves couldn't possibly write down every single little thing you could do with your life. at what point is the possibility of doing something a right or not? is farting a right?

>>82967570
>their country belongs to them and that they have the right to try to change what they disagree with
I disagree with your existence. If I were to kill you and the government wouldn't find out, would me killing you be one of my inalienatable rights?

>>82967410
Was waiting for this.

>>82967570
>they have the right to try to change what they disagree with
Granted by the government.

>Gotta wonder who benefits from teaching people that their country belongs to them
That's the lie that they've sold you to accept their control and make you ignore the fact you have no ability to change anything.

>>82967608
Rather like my right to life, the answer to that question is self evident, you fucking moron.

>>82967628
>Granted by the government.
So we're back here, are we?

>>82967726
>Rather like my right to life
You mean the one the government granted you? I thought you said they can't do that?

>>82967726
>So we're back here, are we?
You mean still discussing the original topic despite your attempts to derail it? Yeah.

>>82967608
no, it wouldnt be an inalienable right, it would just be a right.

you have the right to do something until the government takes it away. the government does not grant rights, only take them away.

>>82967124
>oh and btw this isn't a full list add things at will

Oh gee, who could've seen that coming.

>>82967726
>Rather like my right to life, the answer to that question is self evident
But as you said, rights are anything up until the point the government tries to stop me.
It won't try stopping me trying to kill you - even IF it were to find out, at best it would put me in jail as a consequence of killing you.

So it's my right to kill you, anon. I wonder what would be more self-evident after the act, my right to kill you or your right to life. Considering your corpse is incapable of "doing anything", I'd say the former.

Either that or your definition of rights is retarded.

>>82967774
its an inalienable right. IE one that cant be alienated. IE one that cant be taken away.

you have the right to do something until the government takes it away. the government does not grant rights, only take them away.

>>82967840
>its an inalienable right. IE one that cant be alienated. IE one that cant be taken away.
Objectively wrong by the fact that, as you yourself admitted, a government can take it away from you.

There's no right you (think you) have that couldn't be taken away from you, meaning that no rights are inalienable.

>>82967829
perhaps as you just voluntarily proved me right explicitly, perhaps your definition is retarded.

my right to life wasnt taken away by the government, it was taken away by an individual criminal. government is not the only ones capable of depriving someone of rights as clearly evidenced by the many myriad crimes our society faces, rather the government prosecutes those criminals that would deprive someone of their inalienable rights.

you have the right to do something until the government takes it away. the government does not grant rights, only take them away.

>>82967774
The government does not grant that right, it passes laws which restrict rights which are not inalienable (read:>>82967840) in order to facilitate justice. Justice is enforced by government but it does not grant the rights that form its basis.

>>82967870
A state where inalienable rights are being repressed is called tyranny. It is no longer a free state and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

worst starship troopers thread I've ever seen. I guess only The Thing can have consistently great threads on this board.

>>82967818
probably the people who aren't so absurdly stupid they believe that the government must grant you a right in order for it to exist

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>>82961538
>socialist
>made movies for greedy american movie companies to gain a profit

>>82967980
>A state where inalienable rights are being repressed is called tyranny. It is no longer a free state and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion.
We're talking about Starship Troopers here, of course it's relevant to the discussion.

>A state where inalienable rights are being repressed
If they can be repressed, how can they be inalienable?

>>82967870
I think he's confusing "right" which most sane people take to mean as those explicitly defined rights we have as citizens of the nation we belong to as defined by its government with "physical ability to do something", which is clearly insane and stupid. And then further compounding this by thinking that the current American definitions of government and rights are the definitive definition.I have no interest in continuing this discussion as he's clearly not going to see sense and all signs point to pro-government brainwashing in school.

>>82967983
>worst starship troopers thread I've ever seen.
All ruined by /pol/yps that took it literally.

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this thread sucks

you guys know Demolition Man was a parody of an ultra liberal society rather then conservative and it didn't look much better

>>82968064
ahh yes, the founding fathers were insane and stupid.
you are the hilariously pathetic subhuman that is arguing with not just the american government, but essentially all of the free world literally going back to the greeks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

i spit on you. but more importantly than that, everyone who was ever worth a single thing throughout all of human history also collectively spit on you. savor it.

>>82968117
>You are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute
>Salt is unhealthy and therefore illegal
>So is sex

>>82955475

It would be a better movie if you white liberal shitbags didn't call it Starship Troopers.

>>82968190
>ut essentially all of the free world literally going back to the greeks.
Which is pretty funny when you consider that the kind of democracy they had back then was exactly like what we see in Starship Troopers

>i spit on you. but more importantly than that, everyone who was ever worth a single thing throughout all of human history also collectively spit on you. savor it.
kek that impotent numale rage

>>82968190
>arguing with not just the american government, but essentially all of the free world literally going back to the greeks.
Thank you for proving my point. They didn't let you vote unless you were a landowning white male, and the further you go back the more strict it gets. The founding fathers would think Starship Troopers was a liberal utopia letting anyone vote as long as they served their country.

>>82968033
The conversation was about whether or not fascism was good and then where political legitimacy is from. I misspoke, I meant to say it's not immediately relevant to this particular thread of discussion.

>If they can be repressed, how can they be inalienable?
It cannot be done in a free state because a repression of an inalienable right prevents the state from being free. A door cannot be open if it's shut, it's a contradiction of terms.

If we're talking about whether or not rights can be repressed on a purely technical basis, then yes, you're right.

Bringing it back to Starship Troopers though, that means that the Federation preventing a portion of its population from having a say in its government while still enforcing its laws upon them is a tyranny.

>>82968033
Inalienable to a particular government. "WE delcare these rights inalienable." 'We' as in this particular government. Not every government or individual has to agree, that's their right.

>>82968224
>You are fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality statute
you offended a minority!
>Salt is unhealthy and therefore illegal
we have universal health care here so making sure unhealthy things are illegal is necessary
>So is sex
don't they find physical contact awkward so they just use VR? sounds like a numale to me

>>82968325
>"WE delcare these rights inalienable." 'We' as in this particular government.
huh wow, almost like what people have been telling you for a hundred posts now

>>82968388
Yes, that the list of rights are those that are not to be taken away. As opposed to being granted.

you have the right to do something until the government takes it away. the government does not grant rights, only take them away.

>>82968388
Christ alive. The first line is "We the people" not "We the government". The constitution wasn't written by government, it was written by constitutional convention explicitly with the intent of limiting the power of government. The terms for amending it require significant support of the people.

An actual example of what you're talking about would be the UK's parliamentary sovereignty but even that is (currently) limited by the ECHR.

>>82968491
>Yes, that the list of rights are those that are not to be taken away.
>As opposed to being granted.
Factually there's no difference, which is why all you've had so far were bullshit semantics.
The government declares what rights you have, read "WE DECLARE THESE RIGHTS".

What if a government were to declare that humans have no inherent rights and then, instead of taking it away, would just grant permissions? How "inalienable" are your little "rights" then?

>>82968370
Liberals love to ban things. Of course they'll everything in sight they don't like in a perfect liberal society.

>>82968516
It was written by the government who called themselves "The People".

>The terms for amending it require significant support of the people.
Laws can bypass it without amending it or consulting anyone. Did you vote for the PATRIOT Act?

>>82968549
Except there's a fucking world of difference you retard, and the "magic piece of paper" literally and explicitly deals with that in the 9th amendment.

>What if a government were to declare that humans have no inherent rights
there are probably governments that tried before. you know how they did it? because they had the right to. you know how they were overthrown by people. because the people had the right to. "inalienable" is a legal construct that is an agreement of a state to not alienate a right. rights themselves are inherent as the law of physics.

>>82964799
There is also the science teacher with a face covered in chemical burns. It is dishonest to claim the prevalence of deformity isnt significant in this movie

>>82968565
No. But then again, I'm not American.

>>82968549
Again, that's tyranny. I believe you have the constitutional safeguards of Article Three and Amendment Two to deal with that sort of thing.

>>82955475
>>82968225

The book is about a diverse group of people (Filipinos, Japanese, Finno-Turks, Hispanics, Germans this website says that there are people with Jewish last names in the book as well as Armenians and Arabs: http://cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/s/Starship_Troopers.htm) from all over the world who join the military of a global government, thinking they wouldn't have to fight a war until war breaks out and they get sent into combat to get their asses kicked. While they were badly losing the war, in which, if memory serves me correct, the lead character of the novel thinks it would be better to negotiate peace with the Arachnid race (if you've read the book recently and Heinlein says otherwise, then prove me wrong).

The movie on the other hand is about rich white people who join a fascist nazi government who wants to dominate the fucking galaxy even after major defeats at the hands of the Bugs. Actually, the draft dodging Donald Trump would enjoy watching this movie, because you know, patriotic White people with Spanish surnames fighting for the Nazi regime.

I'd also like to mention, that I'm Filipino and one of the reasons why I like the novel is because the lead character is also Filipino, but that's fucking racist of me. Unlike a liberal white guy who enjoys watching mainstream liberal Hollywood films because the protagonists and heroes are as white as himself, that's not racist at all.

>>82955475
>subtle
no

>>82964865

Fuck you, asshole, don't forget you assholes colonized the Philippines after the Spanish-American War, and even before that, you were trying to annex Hawaii. Don't forget that there were Chinese immigrants helping to build America's railroads, not to mention that you people also had enslaved Africans to work your crops in the South. And don't forget the Hispanics who were living in places like California and Texas and Florida, even before they became states.

I remember listening to the Spell of the Hawaiian and Philippine Islands and want to thank America for vaccinating the people of the Philippine islands, something the Spanish didn't do. But hey, you white people should keep the American continent to yourselves and enjoy the hell out of your liberal movies with it's white heroes.

>>82967315
>But why can I only prove my vale to mankind through military service?
You can also be a public servant to gain citizenship

>>82968818
i thought the humans were winning more or less the entire time? we were invading into arachnid space. the book starts with us invading a skinny planet.i think the story was the arachnids made a counter offensive and we ended up stalling out until the skinnies sided with us, then i definitely remember the war swinging in our for after that point.

>Unlike a liberal white guy who enjoys watching mainstream liberal Hollywood films because the protagonists and heroes are as white as himself, that's not racist at all.
w-what?

>>82969076
Oh I see

So a meathead who charges into battle with no strategy or a public servant will be worth more then I who made an true AI?

>>82964670
Pinochet was a Chilean dictator. Why are you talking about Venezuela.

>>82969508
Yes, that shit is dangerous, you should be killed, not thanked.

>>82959875


You imply every member in the service sees combat

>>82969705
Bah Hamburg

With my invention mankind will reach one step closer to godhood, just you wait until I perfect androids and cyborgs.

>>82961241

>Military

>Not one of the most socialist systems ever created

>>82955998

>starship troopers
>poor science fiction story

holy shit go away

>>82969741
Great, first the bugs are causing trouble on the frontier worlds and now someone's gone and woken up Lex Luthor

>>82969803

back then she was a 10 from head to toe

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>>82969741
I'm coming for you, Samaritan

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>>82958898
>tupac still alive on auraxis
But really though NC are just more fun to play

>>82969081

No, in the novel, they were losing the war. The disaster at Klendathu nearly wiped out the Navy and the Mobile Infantry and the Terran Federation had to rely on guerrilla tactics until they could train up more people and get back to full strength.

I don't remember who started the war in the novel. The Skinnies were alliies with the Bugs and the raid that the Mobile Infantry did on their planet was to knock out their war industry and force the Skinnnies to abandon their Alliance with the Bugs, the mobile infantry weren't there to actually kill any civilians, although one really tall alien who was pointing something at the protagonist ended up getting doused with fire from the flamethrower.

Anyway, forget the fucking novel, since liberal Hollywood just shit on it anyway when they made that live action adaptation that was the direct opposite of the novel.

>>82969076

In the novel, military service didn't actually mean participating in combat since the Terran Federation needed people to be guinea pigs for experiments or even to try out new equipment, or help with terraforming some planet whose environment could kill you, or just driving a space truck. I think Carl was on a research station on Pluto when he was killed by Arachnid military. There were also telepaths who could map out the subterranean bases of the Arachnids as well as military engineers whose job I think it was is to build stuff in the middle of the battlefield, and weren't actually a combat unit, but they would fight anyway. This is stuff I remember from the novel. There was even one recruit for the mobile infantry who couldn't make it through basic training because he was too old, the lead character meets him again later in the novel, and he was serving food to people as a way to get his citizenship. And don't forget that the Navy needed pilots to fly their slpaceships.

>>82968728
> I believe you have the constitutional safeguards of Article Three and Amendment Two to deal with that sort of thing.
But I don't have the right to go around killing people since that's against the law :^)

>>82969063
>irrelevant shitholes and irrelevant shit people being important to the role America has right now
Yeah no

>>82969838
Prime Denise Richards is proof that God exists after all, that he's on our side, and that he wants us to win.

>>82970009
Correct. The right to murder is contradicted by the higher right of the individual to life. Murder is not an inalienable right so it was traded in exchange for justice and government.

>>82970168
>The right to murder is contradicted by the higher right of the individual to life.
So not only do these invisible inalienable rights exist, but they also have an invisible hierarchy? Come on now

>>82966463
>using the word 'stormcuck' is an argument

>>82962416
Your pic/filename is a moronic non sequitur as well.

>>82966763
embrace corruption. suck the big venom dick. become the venom dick and climb up the ladder.
stomp all the worthless subhumans under your mighty heel. ascension awaits. only weakness will stop you.

>>82970662
>triggered

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>>82956027
>this guy