>I didn't think it would end this way. End? No, the journey

>>82745023
I'm sorry but I don't think their ancient magical fiction world has any bearing on this one.

>>82745023
He was talking to a literal angel and they were fighting against a literal lieutenant of hell. He also came in contact with several people who were there when the world began.
There's no room for atheism in Middle Earth.

>>82745111
Gandalf was an angel sent by God to help mankind. Tolkien wrote LOTR as if he had uncovered an ancient tome and this all really happened in our real world history.

>>82745172
Pippin knew none of this. Only Elrond, Cirdan, and a handful of other elves + Aragorn even knew who Gandalf really was.

>>82745023
nevertheless Pipin shares the fate of men and doesn't go to valinor, which gandalf is describing here, so all of that was just bullshit.

>>82745464
IIRC wasn't that part of the Gift of Men? That men were mortal and didn't go to Valinor like the elves but in return they were more able to effect their will on the world?

>>82745497
It was, Men can operate beyond the music and not have to get all angsty about the world being shit like Elves do

>>82745172
>several people who were there when the world began
Only Gandalf.

>>82745264
are you dumb?
kys
pippin was there when Gandalf died, why wouldn't he believe it

why even defend yourself against orcs if you will go to paradise?

>>82745713
Pippin saw Gandalf fall. And then he saw Gandalf alive later on and continued the journey. No where does it say that Gandalf told him "lol bro I'm actually an angel".

>>82745783
Because they used to have Paradise until some asshole spider ate the trees and it could very well happen again

>>82745023
Fuk yu, Mithrandir. I ain't trust your douche religion. The very reason of my life is to smoke, drink, and breed little hobbits in the Shire.

>>82745836
>le reductio ad absurdum
He fell to a chasm with a flaming balrog
The only reason he tells him about the white shores is because he knew Pippin saw him die.

>>82745935
Gandalf is a "wizard" according to 99.999% of the population. He doesn't get outed as an angel for miraculous shit because people can just assume it was some magic spell he cast. The whole point of Gandalf looking like an old man is to be unassuming.

Pippin did not know he was an angel. Pippin probably didn't even know anything about deities to begin with as most of his life was spent being a carefree, mischievous Hobbit prior to that point.

>>82746025
He actually tells the fellowship he was sent back because he still had a mission

>>82746218
>He actually tells the fellowship he was sent back because he still had a mission

When?

>>82746255
when he talks with the three hunters

How did Saruman dig Isengard in just a day?
Where did he get the women for the interracial breeding grounds to create the man orc uruk hai?

>>82746358
The Uruk Hai aren't the man orcs

>>82745023
But what's his tax policy

>>82746404
yes they are

>>82746517
No, they aren't

>>82746581
yes they are
who arent if not them?

>>82747095
The Dunlendings who aren't really in the movie, this is basic Tolkien lore shit, Uruks are just Orcs specially bred for fighting wars

>>82747264
>Dunlendings
no those are normal man

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>>82745023
If this is where the good in middle-Earth go when dead? where do the Orcs and all the other evil guys go?

>>82747646
No, they have orc men and man orcs in their number, that's why when they show up in the shire is the only time you ever get a description of a half orc in Tolkien

>>82747741
Tolkien died before he could finish a full explanation of what the fuck Orcs exactly are or where they go when dead

>>82745464
It's almost as if Gandalf was trying to relax Pippin and reassure him so he wasn't so scared

>>82745023
Fun fact: that dialogue is actually what frodo dreams when they stayed with bombadil in fellowship in the books.

>>82745264
He may not know his true nature as an angelic being but he clearly knows he not human and is powerful

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of vague afterlife for Men (and Hobbits I guess since they are Men also)? I haven't read Tolkien in a long time.

>>82745023
If god was real why would he let all those people die instead of fixing the problem he himself created

>>82748167
how can anyone be so uneducated?

>>82748124
It's intentionally vague, but supposedly they show up to sing the second music when the current world ends

>>82748187
how can anyone think that knowing children's fantasy lore makes them educated?

>>82748240
this has nothing to do with tolkine, you retarded ape

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>>82748237
Allright, nice. Thank you anon.

>>82748266
except it has, maybe you are too stupid to realize it
which wouldn't be a surprise, people that get this aggressive over these things have usually a low IQ

>>82748339
Im on iq levels you cannot even comprehend, kiddo.

>>82747966
corrupted elves

>>82748167
god was never a hippie

>>82748411
Yeah, and then before that they were born of heat and had stone hearts or some shit, and then he changed his mind about them being Elves because to be fair that's fucking stupid and started writing about them being animals or even some sort of Maiar offspring

>>82747776
Dunlendings are the /pol/tards of Middle-earth. FRECA DID NOTHING WRONG. AVENGE KING WULF!

It's a lot easier to believe in the supernatural when you're living in a world with actual magic.

>>82748374
yeah, I can't understand such subnormal levels, you are right

>>82747966
I don't think it matters much. Even if the pernickety old sod actually wrote a final or definitive account of their origins he'd only have started hemming and hawing again a few years later and revised that too.

>>82745178
>as if

>>82748540
Or without it, as human history in any corner of this world attests.

>>82745023
Are you telling me Pippin is an athiest?

>>82748432
He also wasn't good at his job apparently

>>82748411
So, Orcs go to Mandos when they die?

>>82748929
Yes. Tolkien also stared to explore the theme about orcs always being inherently evil. In one of the books frodo and sam overhear two orcs complaining about the war and the ringwraiths and how they should just desert and find their own caves to live in.

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>End? No the income tax bracket doesn't end here. High income is just another path, one that NEETS cannot take. The red curtain of this bank account rolls back and all turns to black ink... and then you see it
>See what Gandalf?
>Tax deductibles and beyond

>>82748290
That very guy in your picture is the one who is prophetized to return and kill Morgoth once and for all, in that final, second song.

>>82745656
Im pretty sure treebeard was older than gandalf

>>82749179
What is this meme

>>82748617
It's either easier with or without magic dumbass.

>>82749321
Only gandalfs physical incarnation. Gandalf and the rest of the angels predate the universe and were with G-d outside of time.

>>82749321
Gandalf is an ainur, ainurs existed before the world was even a thing, and the vast majority of them never entered the world at all.

Treebeard is a descendant of the first trees Yavanna made. When she heard from Aule that his children (the dwarves) would need a lot of wood from the forests (and that elves would need some too), she got mad and went to Manwe to ask if there wasn't any way the forests could be protected. I think Manwe checked with Illuvatar and then the Ents happened. I don't recall all the details, there is a short chapter of the Silmarillion covering that, called "Of Aule and Yavanna" iirc.

>>82749321
Only eldritch shit like Ungoliant is older than Gandalf

>>82749422
Non canon garbage

>>82749473
>there is a short chapter of the Silmarillion covering that, called "Of Aule and Yavanna"

>>82749496
>>82749422
>>82749473
>Aulë who is the great smith of the Valar, wishes to create life whom he can teach his craft to. His patience waiting for the Elves to awake gets the best of him and Aulë secretly decides to create the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves. Ilúvatar, also known as Eru (the One), soon learns of Aulë's actions and Aulë is forced to destroy his creations. However Ilúvatar now does not want to see the Dwarves destroyed, so he grants them life of their own. They must however rest until the Awakening of the Elves who Eru has chosen to be the Firstborn of the Children of Ilúvatar.
>Yavanna, the spouse of Aulë, soon learns of her husband's deeds, she fears the Dwarves, or even the Elves and Men will harm her plants and trees which she loves. She goes to Manwë to seek protection. Manwë has a vision of the Song of Creation in which Eru tells him not to fear as spirits will also awake to protect what Yavanna holds dear.

>>82749138
so im not even allowed to hate orcs now?

fuck this sjw culture

>>82745023
Magic is blatently known to be true in this fairy tale universe with magical creatures and elves that are literally fucking immortal. Gandalf is a fucking angel and has spent presumably
countless years living in Valianor which he's speaking about.

There are also hardly any organized belief at all in lotr. Only the evil assholes actually worship something. A figure that literally walked around and waged war on various races for hundreds of years. There are written accounts of this within the universe.

To compare this to our own reality is silly. If you believe your opinion right then surely you don't need to make straw-man arguments for the people who disagree. Perhaps realize that by doing so you're clearly just lying as to avoid hurting your pride from how wrong you are.

>>82749138
>In one of the books frodo and sam overhear two orcs complaining about the war and the ringwraiths and how they should just desert and find their own caves to live in.
Really? I don't recall this at all.

>>82745023
Pippin knew he was living in a fantasy movie though

>>82749138
The orcs hated sauron (and the feeling was mutual) but they were afraid of him.
They're beings spawned from melkor's corruption, and when left to their own devices they were still shitheads, just not as well organized since they spent as much time slitting each other's throats as they did raiding the countryside at night.

>>82745264
Magic, elves' immortality, Gandalf's Resurrection and the nature of everything going on around them is plenty proof. He's not following some old religious text of the elves here, just actual shit happening infront of his fucking face. If only any religion would come close to this I'd accept it in a heartbeat, but its not comparable to the actual real world.

>>82749602
Pretty sjre its when sam is wearing the ring and running around the tunnels after the orcs find frodo's body.

>>82747999
Hey. No rational talk here!

He was just a dumb hobbit.

>>82749581
They wanted to find somewhere else so they could be rulers themselves, raid and plunder a nice countryside of easy targets where they got meat and plunder easily. Just because they didn't want to be slaves doesn't make them good. Hate them all you like.