Why didn't he just keep making trips to Earth for 60 years

James gunn used to write for Troma
What did u expect?aaron sorkin kinda script?

Why didn't he just bring Quill's mom to his Disney planet?

Did you watch the movie? It's all explained.

Shut up, it's 81% on rottentomatoes!

>>82660956
This is an even better question that I did not take into consideration. BARRING EVEN THAT

Quill: "But... My friends."
Ego: "I have lived for millions of years but we don't have time for your friends to live out their natural lives so you have no other attachments and we can realize my vision that you are apparently amenable to."

>>82660996
Meme answer. Hello James.

He could probably have kept her alive with his 'light' power

>>82660996
Nah I don't remember it being explained why it's so important she die in ten years instead of fifty, especially since from his point of view that's the difference between taking a piss and microwaving a burrito

Y'know, of all the Marvel villains that could have had a live action adaptation, never in a million years would I have imagined Ego the Living Planet getting to be on the silver screen. Props to Marvel for not just rehashing the same tired old supervillains over again (except Loki, fuck that guy).

>>82661140
i mean who would've ever thought they would've made a guardians of the galaxy movie to begin with

>>82661021
He is an immortal planet who doesn't value the lives of mortals. Would you wait for your son's pet ants to die before getting on with something?

>>82661183
...Because you're an immortal planet and it ensures his cooperation?

>>82661183
if they were going to die in what would amount to five minutes for me, yeah sure why not

>>82661246
Time doesnt move faster to him.

>>82661294
how is it possible to to be alive for billions of years and not have time seem to move faster for you

>>82661294
But it is completely irrelevant to him. He has lived MILLIONS of years. What is 60/1,000,000? Now multiply that quotient by your age. That is the relative time wasted to guarantee that the ONLY OTHER BEING IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE YOU VIEW AS YOUR EQUAL is on your side.

>>82661355
He had already waited a million years and was impatient. He wanted to get on with it immediately, now that he had everything he needed.

>>82661183

He's not greater than other living beings in the way we are compared to ants. Ego wasn't smarter than regular living beings, he was more powerful and longer-lived but otherwise was on the same level as everyone else. I can't converse with an ant, but Ego managed to have a relationship with Peter's mom for years and unable to tear himself away without killing her. Not exactly an ant to him.

>>82661408
Just seems careless to me. Sidebar: can we talk about how retarded it is that Quill has never once revisited Earth since getting kidnapped just because his mom got sick and died there? He's perfectly content never going back to his home ever again? Forgive me if I'm forgetting some ulterior motive, but it seems really cold of someone who obviously loves Earth culture enough to incessantly meme about Cheers and Pac Man.

So was that egos skull in the first movie?

>>82661568
I thought that was so cool that there was a thriving Vegas-style city in the head of a dead god.

>>82661568
no that was a different Celestial

>>82660843
better yet why didn't ego take the form of a woman so she could just split as soon as she got pregnant

>>82660843
Because Disney/Marvel needs to reach out to black kids who never seen their dad.

>>82661129
because if he can give her a tumor he can just as easily keep her alive. If he kept visiting he'd only risk falling in love and putting his plans on permanent hold as he enjoys immortality with his waifu

>>82661921
this makes a lot more sense

>>82660843
He clearly explained that he doesn't want to get attached to mortal things and wants to expand more than anything.

>>82662020
Best answer yet.

>>82660843
Ego is the only good MCU villain

>>82661567
I think he's scared of how Earth will have changed since he left

>>82662653
Civil War may have been shit, but Zemo was a god tier villain

>>82661140
except it turned into generic marvel supervillain right at the end

>>82662763
This he was pure kino put ultron and pretty anyone not Loki to rest

OP, why don't you keep your favorite childhood toy in your pocket at all times?

He's EGO

Now that this idea is again brought to mind, commence with the thread

>>82661567
His mom was his whole world and he's grown up embracing those aspects of pop culture, and is scared to go back because neither of those things will be there when he does. Also he has a pretty good life in space. Adventure, women, a job he's good at. Why go back to a place that's not nearly as advanced?

>>82661921
>>82662378
Because she would have to wait for the baby to be born and then see if it had the celestial genes. So the whole process would take even longer.

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>>82662763
Can't wait for him to be brought back for Thunderbolts

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>>82662831
I've been struggling to come up to an answer to this for a few minutes now, anon, but the truth is that I don't even remember what my favorite childhood toy was anymore.

>>82663170

And now you know how Ego felt about Quills mom.

Sure he waxes on about how great she was, but only because he's trying to manipulate Quill.

>>82663253
my toy wouldn't fit in my pocket, furthermore it wasn't a sentient being.

if I had a semi-intelligent pet I would take that around with me everywhere unless it was a place pets weren't allowed.

>>82662926
I think most people feel the need to keep in touch with who they were as an important keystone to who they are. In addition, I'm sure his grandfather would've liked to speak with the only living relative he had left before he died.

>>82663253
if he was only trying to manipulate Quill why would he so offhandedly mention he killed her?

he could've just kept that info to himself

>>82663288
You're not OP, and you're missing the point he's making.

>>82663313

Because he was full of himself and thought he already won?

>>82663335
the point he's making is a poor analogy though. quill's mom, even if he thought less of her, is not comparable to an inanimate object even from Ego's perspective, else he wouldn't have had to kill her to begin with at all.

>>82660843

1. what is this guys power level in relation to thanos?

2. what relevance does this movie have to the overall plot of the mcu?

3. im 26 years old what the fuck am i still doing here?

>>82663346
But he seemed genuinely surprised that Quill acted against him and was horrified by the revelation, indicating that he just thought nothing of it.

He wasn't manipulating Quill, he just didn't think he did anything wrong.

>>82663300

yeah this guy is right. being scared of your culture cause your mom died isn't a thing. It's a contrived subtext. Luckily the GotG movies are so heavy on visual fanfare and ticket prices are so high that you don't have the patience to asdassad;lkjasd blah blah blah braaaaap i hate fuck myself

>>82663383
I believe he's saying that he thought of Quill's mom as a child often thinks of a doll or a stuffed animal. Children will attach personality traits and anthropomorphize them to the point that they have distinct characteristics and personage in the mind of the child, but with a certain amount of perspective and experience the child will eventually abandon something (or in their eyes, someone) they once held dear. Or he's full of shit and it's a poor analogy

>>82663384
>im 26 years old what the fuck am i still doing here?
nothing changes, civilian. just wait to die like everyone else. everyday is less special than the last. nothing you will do will matter more than anything else. stop living up the expectations of your own ego.

>>82663421

Fair enough. But he was trying to manipulate Quill, at least at first. Maybe he just figured that Quill was on board and would understand why he killed mom.

>>82663485
Put the bottle down, anon. I've made this post before, I know it isn't good for you.

>>82663500
>stop living up the expectations of your own EGO

What did he mean by this?

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>>82660843

He had to leave to go bang other aliens. Quil was one of many side bitches. Remember Yondu transported lots of kids and got caught before peter. Yondu didn't do it for hundreds of years, more likely about 10. Which....if aliens have similar gestation means Ego was really getting around.

>>82661921
who wants to be a woman

>>82660843

>Why didn't he just keep making trips

More like making quips

>>82663795
I hold you responsible for the death of this thread.

Why did he even kill her?

That never made any sense to me, beyond the explanation or him being crazy.

>>82661355
>ONLY OTHER BEING IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE YOU VIEW AS YOUR EQUAL

Wasn't that just a story he told everyone and he used all the kids as batteries and he was planning to do the same with Quill?

>>82664792
The other kids couldn't do the light thing from what I remember. I think he was the first proper hybrid.

So they were batteries in a sense that the gameboy you plugged them into acknowledged something was plugged in before immediately turning off.

>>82664792
no the others didn't have his powers, so he just killed them and dumped them in the hole

quill was his first successful child

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>>82661140
>Loki isn't his favorite Marvel villain and hero

get a load of this pleb

I haven't seen the movie at all, but if he's 'Ego the living planet' then he's batshit insane.

I think he had a piece of his brain removed or something, and was never the same again.

Kills everyone who colonizes on his surface and worse

>>82664849

He got Hulk meme'd

Guess what's going to happen to Hela.

She's going to get Hulk'd

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>>82664830
>>82664847
I'm guessing I misunderstood something then. I'm glad though, for both that, and for making Ego a celestial, made Quill feel more special than just being the son of the "living planet" joke villain.

>>82664896
That's not what happens in this movie. I don't know anything about the comics. Only thing from the genre I've ever read was The Watchmen.

>>82661567
His name is Ego. He has a large ego.

>>82664917
It also made his character a bit cooler in that he basically gave up god status.

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>>82660843
>white father leaves the woman and child
>POC becomes the father

is this raceswitched agenda?

>it's an 'all aliens are differently colored humanoids' episode

>>82664896
>kills everyone who colonizes on his surface and worse

That kinda happens, yes he is insane though.

>>82665066
Probably made him feel more equal to Gamora as well.

Thank you based Dan Abnett

>>82660843
>>82660956

Why do people ask this? It's fucking explained by ego himself. He loved his Peter's mom but wanted to fufill his plans more, he knew if he stayed he would never have gone through with his plans.

He couldn't bring Peter's mom because he didn't know 100% Peter would be the kid he that got his celestial genes, and he was busy fucking more alien girls to plan more seeds for possible offspring with celestial genes.

Basically his hobby was more important to him than family. It's not a hard concept, ego is just a dead beat dad

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>>82665126
>it's a 'Stallone is an alien' episode

>>82665203
Its also notable that he's NOT immortal off of his own Planet, so he would have died on earth probably

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>I'm Mary Poppins y'all!

>>82665234
I giggled not gonna lie.

the disparate fucked up cultural references were actually funny, because you get the sense its just Quill's way of fucking with people

Like the trash-panda thing

>>82665126
Apart from the giant tentacle monster, the tree, the racoon(?) and the floating brain.

So can someone explain to me why Peter lost all of his powers when Ego died? Like, if he's part god like his father, wouldn't that mean he has those powers genetically? Why would he lose them just because his dad died?

>>82665489
His powers on Ego came from his dad, they were not his own.

he still has the DNA and such to contain an infinity stone

>>82665303
Rocket is not an alien
Ego is not an alien
Groot is an alien
Giant tentacle monster is an alien, but shows no sapience, so we'll give him Alien-.

>>82665528
>rocket isn't an alien

But he is, his homeplanet is Halfworld

>>82665489
This is something I think wasn't explained well. We don't even know for sure if he has lost t all really,just cos ego says so doesn't mean it's true. I would guess it's because the planet, ego, is the celestial. The humanoid ego was just an avatar. So even that didn't have all it's powers when it was away from the planet too long. I guess that's why, all of the celestial power came form the planet.

>>82665554
humans are from space too anon
we are the aliens

>>82665528
>Ego is not an alien
Celestials aren't aliens?

>>82665528
>Ego is not an alien
>A celestial in the form of a planet with a human avatar is not an alien

His human form is even explicitly said to just be a way to get close to Peter/his mom.

so how the fuck does this movie contribute to the over-arching plot of the infinity stones and thanos?

>>82665572
DUDE

>>82660843
Why didn’t Rocket and Kraglin just wait in orbit to pick up Quill and Yondu?

>>82665638
It really doesn't but that's a good thing

>>82665613
>>82665627
Ego is a life form beyond the scope of human or alien. I don't know if this is an opinion or is a fact.

>>82660843
The better question is why didn't he just take her to his planet.

>>82665731
see
>>82660956

>>82665731
Why did he have trouble sleeping? Never explained that

>>82665731
She probably wouldn't want him killing everyone on Earth.

>>82665746
She deserved to die for liking Lake Shore Drive.

>>82665701
thats an opinion

>>82665740
Probably because he feels guilty on some level for all the shit he's done. Like John C. Reilly said in the first one, nobody is 100% a dick.

>>82665638
The introduction of Him/Adam Warlock in the after-credits who presumably holds the final infinity stone, the Soul Stone.

>>82665791
Yondu still didn't have to die though. Rocket could have picked them up in space.

>>82665572
WE WUZ GREYS N SHIT

>>82665792
Gunn said that Adam Warlock won't be in Infinity War, but will be in GOTG3. We'll probably get the Soul Stone in Thor Ragnarok.

>>82661318

You would just not feel the passage as time as much as a human.

What is a lifetime for the Mayfly is a day for a person.

>>82665883
Huh, interesting, Adam Warlock is fairly important to the original infinity war storyline

>>82665923
I mean, Infinity War is going to be crowded enough as it is already, what with the entire cast of Civil War plus the Guardians.

>>82665949
Hence why I assumed they would introduce Warlock in a Vision-esque manner

>>82660843
since when does Ego have a human body?

Since the time when galactus was just a cloud? what the fuck.

>>82665731
Geesh I don't know maybe if you read thread you would know

>>82665977
Since he wanted to and since he's a celestial

AKA literally this movie

>>82662763

Based on what exactly?

>>82666021
the fact that he won

>>82660843
Making Peter half Celestial is kinda shit now we know he is going to be the one to beat Thanos and it's going to be a call back to the Dance battle scene

>>82666053
what?

>>82666053
Noticeably F.A.T., give me a beat.

>>82666129
SEVEN LEAFED CLOVER

>>82666021
His plan was pretty sound. He didn't really do anything stupid to jeopardize it. When he did feel the need to monologue, he did it with full insurance that it was well past the point the heroes could meddle with his plans. He wasn't some crazy, over-the-top character. Just a man who wanted revenge for injustices done against his people. His motivations felt reasonable, and not saturday-morning cartoon villain-ish. Even after he won, he didn't have some grand worl domination plan in order. He was just content to have achieved his goal, and was going to end his own life without further villain stuff.

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Could they have made Drax more annoying if they tried?

>>82666170
Yes.

>>82666170
No. One note character with zero charisma.

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>>82666170
>hating Drax

>>82662020
But anon, that's totally fucking gay.

someone post Yondu fucking up all the ravagers in the ship, that scene was top kino

>>82663485
>>82663300

After the death of my brother our family had to move because we needed a new life away from the depression

>/tv/ being incapable of reading subtext

Okay songet this, in life when you are searching for meaning, sometimes you have to give up on other things to follow that meaning. Ego sought meaning in his plan to remake the universe, but sincerely felt drawn away from that meaning by a new meaning he found in love for Quill's mother. Ego had found the natural human mortal meaning of love, and it was powerful enough that he had to make a decision which to choose, to abandon love or his plans. Ego, being a cognizant megalomaniacal deity with a literal desire to assimilate all creation into his ego, responds to this choice by callously and brutally abandoning his human meaning, love for Quill's mother, in favor of the meaning of his own divine ego.

Love surprises us. It makes being human meaningful. Ego denies that humans have any meaning except to serve his plan for the new universe, so he responds to feeling human love by crudely casting it away like it was a disease. He willingly, cognitively, is an enemy to life and to love. He is the opposite of the Guardians who basically find meaning in protecting others and feeling for eachother amidst death and isolation.

why did an immortal who has lived for millions of years age by 34 years in 34 earth years?

>>82661172
the fact that guardians of the fucking galaxy is basically a worldwide phenomenon is baffling

guardians of the galaxy is more successful than a movie where batman fights superman

>>82668149
because 34 years ago he crafted himself a perfect replica of a human body. kurt russell was just an avatar for ego, the real eons old ego was that bolzmann brain that groot nuked

I really enjoyed vertigo shot when he tells quill he killed his mom

>>82668282
Well yeah one sucks and the other stars Chris Pratt

>>82668097
kinopost

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The real question is.... why didn't he make THESE trips?

>>82668726
oh I'm not delusional, I'm just saying that if somebody told you ten years ago that a movie with batman fighting superman was a massive flop and the biggest superhero movie around was guardians of the galaxy you would say what the fuck is guardians of the galaxy

>>82668761
you're embarassing yourself anon

>>82668807
Correct
>>82668741
Also correct
>>82668761
Incorrect

>>82668761
How but these quads son

>>82668776
Batman v Superman always sounded like a stupid low-effort idea to me like a wolfman vs frankenstien movie or Jason vs Freddy.

For what reason did batman need to exist in the man of steel universe other than to force a cinematic universe?

>>82668282
I think it has more to do with being a comfy sci fi fantasy comedy than anything to do with capeshit. None of the main characters are anything special in regards to super powers besides maybe Groot, and they keep the conflict grounded and personal. Fantastic soundtrack as well, introducing the current generations to better music from a better time.

>>82668902

There could easily be a well made solo Batman v Superman film, there's enough there to make it work.

>>82669472
Holy shit, I bet they could show us Batman's backstory of MY PARENTS ARE DEAD yet again!

>>82666293
Drax and Rocket, Okay maybe Rocket. Rocket was like, "Then you had to spoil the moment by showing your nasty ass teeth." I literally wanted to get up in the theater and do a victory run, that was so mean and funny all at once. I thought they were bonding, like really getting alone and then the asshole in Rocket just had to show itself. It was both fitting and hilarious. Drax and Mantis being clueless is funny as hell though. Yondo and Rocket scenes were funnier, by far.

>>82665678
They were in orbit around an exploding planet. If Pete didn't have his communicator (which was presumably in his helmet) it would take a while to find them.

>>82665977
There was a bit of soil that grew into an independent humanoid Ego in the comics.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Ego_Prime_(Earth-616)

>>82665977
Cloud Galactus was trash but it's close to Gah Lak Tus which is cool as fuck.

I prefer Ultimates universe space-Marvel anyway, apart from Silver Surfer.

>>82668898
You were close my son, or as close as one can be without actually being just a bit too far, albeit you were just far enough---you were off by one. Fate thinks you smell of cheese.

>>82669620
space marvel is some trippy shit

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>>82665977
>>82666014
Wrong niggers.

>>82669558
One little detail that bothered me is they locked Rocket in a cell with a bunch of junked equipment lying around. Bad, bad idea. He should have been out of there in ten minutes, but I guess maybe it was all unsalvageable.

>>82669766
it probably was. I think they really wanted Rocket and Yondo to have their moment and damn, what a moment it was. Rocket is literally the biggest asshole in the guise of a protagonist I have seen on film in a long time. In fact I'm trying to think of an even bigger douche than he was and I can't think of anyone.

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>>82669638
Check out Silver Surfer Requiem for some good shit

>>82669912
Rocket has been hurt hy people his entire life. First the peopke who made him, then all the peopke who made fun of him for being tiny and weird and extending to cops who call him "It". and His defense is to be the meanest, angriest thing around. It's a shell around a scared little animal who is afraid to let people get close to him, so he keeps pushing them away by being mean.

>>82666021

Based on the fact that one human with no superpowers outsmarted them all and won, using the truth.

>>82665203
>he was busy fucking more alien girls

A god can't master two timing. Ashley Madison, nigga.

>he didn't know 100% Peter would be the kid he that got his celestial genes

So what? He needs his children on his planet to find out. Instead of leaving potential vital resources scattered around the galaxy, bring them to your planet as soon as possible.

I'm a powerful bad guy. The key to conquering the galaxy is within my grasp. Do I fly my spaceship and get it myself? Or will I (Thanos, Ego) sit on my ass and get some shady punk (Loki, black “who” guy, Gomorrah, Nebula, Yondu) to do it and screw everything up?

>>82668097
So he takes her back to his planet, let's her live out her mortal life along with her son, they mourn her together, then he moves on with his plan having had Quill's entire lifetime to win him ver to his plan, having lost a number of years that wouldn't have even amounted to an eye blink for an immortal like him.

Or.

You do the far, far simpler thing and make an Ego-spawn pregnancy inherently fatal to the mothers, where they wither and die over the course of their child's childhood.

>>82670239
So it's a defense mechanism. Makes sense. But damn it's really off the wall Hilarious though.

>a guy literally called Ego does things for his own benefit
Wow, such a fucking hard concept to understand.
>/tv/ likes to shit on Marvel movies for simplistic plots and dumbed down storytelling
>/tv/ is literally unable to understand Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Really makes you think.

>>82670661

Fucking what? Exsctly what 'spot' did he make it all up on?

>>82670661
No he didn't. He adapted to some events, but his base plan remained the same throughout the film.
>it's an anon thinks the airport fight was part of Zemo's plan episode

>>82670454
>an egotistical god didn't count that the mercenary he hired to kidnap kids grows a conscious and saves one kid
Reminder that Yondu didn't know Peter had the Celestial genes, neither did Ego, for that matter.

>>82670714
>Ego does things for his own benefit

If I had my own planet, I'd have a harem of thousands of bitches. I wouldn't leave my children across the galaxy and I definitely wouldn't trust space pirates to bring them to me.

>/tv/ is literally unable to understand

Why can't you understand his plan was flawed and failed for multiple reasons? Are you stupid?

>>82670841
Zemo's plan was always
>frame Bucky for a terrorist attack
Note it didn't matter what was targeted, the Sokovia Accord ratification was just a coincidentally at the same time to provide a prime target for Zemo.
>retrieve the recording of Bucky assassinating the Starks
This required Bucky being captured alive, which was literally guaranteed by Cap's existence and nature.
>have Tony figure everything out to make the Avengers chase Zemo to Siberia
Zemo purposefully leaked the body in his hotel room, the airport fight and the inner strife in the Avengers was actually a detriment to his plan, he wanted all the Avengers in Siberia so they would tear themselves apart supporting either Tony or Cap trying to kill eachother.

>>82670841

His plan was simply to cause Iron Man and Captain America to fight by simultaneously making Cap want to save Bucky for being his friend, and Iron Man want to kill Bucky for killing his parents. All he needed to do was commit a terrorist attack in Bucky's name, set Bucky off, and share to both Cap and Iron Man what he wants them to know. The rest was incidental and improvised.

Also, using fifty year old evidence in your plan isn't 'made up on the spot'.

>>82670913
>I definitely wouldn't trust space pirates to bring them to me
Yondu had brought him dozens, maybe hundreds of children by the time Yondu grew a conscience, why wouldn't Ego trust him up until that point?
>If I had my own planet, I'd have a harem of thousands of bitches
Which clearly isn't what Ego wanted.
It's pretty easy to say
>well I would have done x instead of y
as a 3rd party outside observer.
You're acting as if Ego spent all his time sitting on his planet when nothing in the movies supports this.

>>82670913

This particular god is more interested in creating his own universe, to the point where he won't let love distract him. Plenty of humans aspire to things greater than a harem, why wouldn't a god?

>>82671160

>the video
US classified information regarding a political assassination will often include information regarding who committed the assassination.

>>82670855
>>didn't count that the mercenary he hired

Any plan that depends on trusting space pirates is doomed to failure. That's just common sense. Period.

>didn't know Peter had the Celestial genes

You people keep saying that. It is completely irrelevant. Ego needs his children on his planet to find out. How many of his children had superpowers, but were killed in car accidents? How many of his children had superpowers, but moved without leaving a forwarding address? That's like a villain creating supersoldiers, but letting them just walk out the door to do whatever.

>>82671160
>in a small road in nowhere
[citation needed]
There was a metal fence right by the road where Bucky attacked, it might as well have been a road right next to the Stark estate.
You're acting as if Hydra picked a spot at random and there just happened to be a camera there, when the more likely scenario is they picked a specific spot PRECISELY because there was a camera there

>why would Hydra keep a record of an assassination?
Why would anyone keep any sort of record of anything?
Because it might prove useful in the future, even in yet unforeseen ways.

>if he had arrived to the facility where it was kept and the tape wasn't there/was too deteriorated, everything would have ended there
That's what the Winter Soldiers were for, as plan B.
Zemo didn't necessarily kill the Winter Soldiers BEFORE he found the tape.

>>82671242
>How many of his children had superpowers, but were killed in car accidents?
The children of Ego who have the celestial genes are immortal as long as Ego exists, so they wouldn't die in car accidents.
If a child of Ego died in a car accident, they wouldn't be of any use to Ego anyway.
>Any plan that depends on trusting space pirates is doomed to failure
>here, let me apply my meta knowledge to this scenario and call the fictional characters without said meta knowledge dumb because they lack the knowledge I've gained as an outside observer
Space pirates trust money, I'd wager a guess Yondu didn't kidnap kids for the fun of it.
Ego is a god who has lived for millions of years and can create matter out of thin air on his planet, he must have been able to pay Yondu a king's ransom.
Again, he didn't foresee Yondu growing a conscience because a guy called Ego is self-absorbed.
Shocker, I know.

>>82671263
>they picked a specific spot PRECISELY because there was a camera there

For what - to get incriminating evidence on themselves and their own brainwashed operative? And then keep it laying around for nearly three decades?

>>82665740
>>82665791

Probably because it's the fastest way to forward time instead of the whole guilty thing

>>82671033
>why wouldn't Ego trust him up until that point?

What part of "space pirate" don't you fucking understand? Damn, you are stupid. Anon, here's a life tip. If a Nigerian prince asks you for money, don't do it.

>Which clearly isn't what Ego wanted

Ego wanted hundreds of children. A harem on his planet would have been the easiest, fool proof way to do it.

>as a 3rd party outside observer

As someone with common sense. Unlike you and Ego.

>You're acting as if Ego spent all his time sitting on his planet

If he brought a harem to his planet, then sitting on his ass would have made him win decades ago.

>>82660843
He didn't love her at all retards. He just wanted to pork all aliens and told the kids all the same story. After like the tenth worthless kid he probably didn't even bother telling them a story or gave them a nice planet friend invite, just hooked em up to the battery and discarded them if they sucked. He only told starturd a mother story because he heard about how great he is and thought he probably had the powers.

>>82671474
>Rhodes wouldn't have sided with Tony
>T'challa wouldn't have sided with Tony
>Vision wouldn't have sided with Tony
>Spider-Man wouldn't have done literally anything Tony asked him to do
That's pretty much 60% of the Avengers' firepower, right there.

>>82660843
It wasn't the time he would spend with her that was the problem. His plan would kill the people living on ever planet and Peter's mom was starting to make him CARE about those lesser creatures. After 60 years he wouldn't have been able to bring himself to continue. That's why he killed her. He was afraid of caring.

>>82671539
>What part of "space pirate" don't you fucking understand?
Anon, you're just a fucking idiot.
I'm honestly not even going to bother responding to any of your other points because that was just so fucking retarded.

>>82671576
If any of them would have sided with the guy in a blind rage clearly out to kill a man not in control of himself, then none of them should be considered heroes.

>>82671620
>then none of them should be considered heroes
Almost like the exact point of the film.

>>82671362
It's like when a leader of a country does so much shit to his constitutes, anyone with half a brain would say come the next election, the guy's gone. But the guy's so self absorbed that he's literally of the mind that whatever he does, the very same people who put him in office would see it his way. Yeah, it sounds unbelievable but it happens all the time.
Or like that George Lucas interview some twenty plus years ago in which he said that it doesn't matter what's shot on film, some day we'll be able to fix it all in a computer. Autistic I know, but he Genuinely believed that. Some people are just so far removed that they don't know when they've accidentally drifted into the deep end of the pool until they try to put their feet down.

>>82671694
Christ, no. Just fucking no.

>>82671587
This, and giving her cancer made it so that he didn't have to be there to watch her die or feel her dying during his planed expansion.
Btw, Ego itself is a cosmic metaphor for cancer, an uncaring life killer that just wants to spread.

>>82671462

>why to keep tape around?
To destabilize and cause infighting between US forces by revealing Captain America's best friend and war buddy defected and personally executed Howard Stark, maybe? Which is what the tape was actually used for by Zemo.

>>82671604

I said it before and I'll say it again. Damn, you are stupid. You have the brains of a comic book villain. Anon, if a creepy man in a van offers you free candy, trust him.

>>82665261
>I don't know what cheers IS!
I laughed

>>82665303
>IM A GIGANTIC BRAIN!

>>82671699

This. I don't know what's gotten into people where they can't grasp narcissism and isolated delusion from a character named Ego who says that he wants the universe to become him.

>>82666053
You know the blue robot chick is the one to kill thanos. Strong beaten woman overcoming her oppressive abusive father

>>82671806
Couldn't you do that without the tape? Zemo did.

>>82672032

>nah, don't bother recording that we used an American traitor to assassinate their military industrial leaders, something else will come up

>>82671967
Because if millions, if not billion, of years didn't change him into anything besides a self-absorbed asshole, 50-some-odd years of "love" weren't going to do it, either. If he'd never legitimately experienced love before, he'd have been far more likely to just take her back to his planet and do everything in his considerable power to "immortalize" her, not kill her because muh feels.

It came off as contrived and, frankly, stupid to the point of insult.

>>82672076
>like using him to kill a president or something

>nah, just keep that tape that links him directly to our super-secret organization. Surely that could never backfire.

>>82672166
The Universe could give a shit about love. Ego wasn't a mistake, he was spot on. The Universe would have benefited from him.

Ego could've waited the human equivalent of 0.0001 seconds for Peter's friends to die of old age before starting his meme but he didn't because reasons. If this happened in a DC movie you lemmings would be jumping off cliffs looking for computers to shitpost about it.

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>>82672232
>actually defending ego

What defeated ego, was it cold rational emotion? No. It was love, love between a father and son, or between two sisters, or even friends. The marvel universe defiantly cares about love because love was triumphant

Now our universe may be different but the stories people tell each other reflect the ideal not the reality of the situation. People desperately want to live in a world where love is important.

This movie sucked. It was Thor Dark World level of awful. When it became a dragonball z arc I was done.

>>82672214

It didn't backfire. It was used after their downfall to destroy their enemies who had defeated them. Seriously what's up with you thinking military superpowers don't keep confidential documents?

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>>82672379
>Not liking this kino

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>>82671362
>immortal as long as Ego exists

And as long as they are on the Ego planet. On the other side of the galaxy, they are mortal.

>my meta knowledge to this scenario

Wrong. I am using my super power called "common sense".

>he didn't foresee Yondu

He didn't foresee that a space pirate that is such a scumbag that even other space pirates don't trust him, would be untrustworthy. Common sense must really be a super power to you.

>Ego is self-absorbed.

Being "self-absorbed" is just a excuse for being stupid. Now you agree with me that Ego's plan was dumb. At least you admit it.

>>82672777

Yes, Ego's idiocy, fatal flaw, and downfall are that he is an immortal being who has a massive blind spot regarding how mortals think and act. He's a celestial who sacrifices humans all the time because he sincerely doesn't give a fuck. Your complaints about how dumb he is are actually the point of the character, and are a consistently written flaw that makes him a villain. He is self-absorbed. You are yelling at the movie because a bad guy was wrong, like a child screaming 'swiper no swiping' to the television and ranting about how dumb swiping is when swiper always gets caught.

>>82665101
Not when the blue man is the most redneck space pirate ever

>>82672913
Self-absorbed doesn't instantly equate to stupid. You don't nonchalantly inform a guy you killed his mom when it's in your best interest to not have him and his friends fighting against you, You don't kill the woman you love out of ego or fear of how she's changing you, then claim that she's unique and you've never experienced that emotion before. A self-absorbed asshole would just crave that feeling all the more.

There were about a half-dozen more believable/less insulting ways for all that to have gone down, but what we got was badly written and poorly considered.

>>82669912
Aside from Groot he's gotten the same treatment from everyone else

>>82673177
I am Groot.

So is he dead at the end of the movie like every other Marvel Villain bar Loki?

>>82672913
>You are yelling at the movie

Wrong. I liked the movie. I am only yelling at idiots that are defending the bad guy's dumb plan.

>>82670750
He didn't.
When he talked to the hydra agent who he hung-drowned upside-down he stated clear as day that if the hydra guy didn't give him the info that he wanted that zemo would have to use bloodier methods to get the answers he needed.

Since he attacked a hydra agent who knew of this stuff first and made clear his intent that he just wanted a mission report or evidence/log of it, It was most likely never his goal to bomb the senate right-off, but it was definitely something he thought of as an alternative.

All zemo wanted was the damn evidence to show stark since zemo knew rogers and barnes were friends and that it would tear them apart.

The whole airport battle was the exacerbating circumstance of Thunderbolt Ross's dickery for not confiding in stark and pressuring his military thuggery on Stark's conscience.

Hell, zemo was so single-minded on just getting the evidence that he most likely didn't even know about the other winter soldiers and headshotted the other 5, likely just in passing in case things went awry instead of realizing he could use them for his advantage. (in other words, he didn't get greedy, he was too focused on his original goal.)

His original plan was most ikely getting the mission report from the hydra goon and hijacking/pirating airwave broadcasts or uploading a goddamn youtube video of the bucky assassination, which would have been a million times simpler.

The only raw difference is that the change in his plans resulted in zemo coincidentally getting front-row seats to his plans taking shape on two seperate occasions.

As far as zemo knew, it seemed he was only aware of the Hydra goon and Bucky himself were the only living people with knowledge of the mission report intel.

Simply walking up to stark and telling him that bucky killed his parents wasn't going to cut it. Stark had to SEE it to believe it and the only bullshit in this film about any of this is that Zemo just backed away from the show as soon as it started.

>>82660843
because then he would have been a father to Peter, and would have gotten his way and these movies wouldn't have happened.

>>82673143

He respecfs mortals so little that he never bothered to master appealing to them. He believed that the promise of immortality and power was so enticing that any mortal would give up anything to take it, including the lives of their loved ones, which Ego himself had sacrificed earlier in his life. He literally does not think mortal life is worth anything, to the point where he can't even fake sympathy for life, and he thinks everyone exist feel the same because he is Ego and he cannot comprehend or coexist with any ego that is not his own, hence his existential purpose to make the entire universe his ego.

>>82673631
It would have been easier to sell that all the mothers died and his ego justified it by making them the mothers of his children, "honoring" them, in other words. It would have made him an even bigger prick and solved the whole problem. You just let Quill discover that while they're linked and he has access to his father's mind through the light.

That would have been easier, better, and better characterization.

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>you will never teach Debicki the archaic ways of reproduction

>>82660843

Why did he even tell Peter he killed her? He clearly understood what love was, and knew Peter would get all uppity if there was even a shred of evidence that pointed towards Ego having something to do with it. He could have gave him that answer of why he left her and left out the part where he killed her and everything would have been hunky dory.

>>82672553

Did Yondu get his arrow from Ego or something? Even other aliens refer to it as magic.

>>82673942

I will teach her the meaning of disappointment.

>>82662614
It's basically exactly what the character actually says in the fucking movie, which OP would know if he'd paid attention.

>>82662020
Well if his goal was being happy and no longer being alone, isn't that a win/win for him?

He's immortal. He could have tried out this "love" thing, and if it got old, he could have picked up right where he left off. It's not like he's got a deadline sooner than the heat death of all existence.

>>82660843
because deep down he was a big fat phony? i think it was pretty clear

>>82673813

But Ego was in denial that love gave his life meaning. He had felt the love of a human but due to his preoccupation with his godly ego, he rejected it. This characterization excels in showing that Ego made an actual cognitive choice, the kind we make every day, to disown his humanity and to kill his wife even though it was hard for him. Ego is proud of himself for doing so at this point and relegates this tragedy to being merely a step on the path to godhood. He tells Peter this in passing because he sincerely believes he is merely educating his complicit child in how to achieve godlike meaning in life.

>>82673982

He thought Peter was exactly like him, since the only reason he created Peter was to actually be another 'him' to use in his plan. He did not understand that Peter did not share in his ego.

>>82674559
He must have understood that Quill wasn't like him, or he'd have never let his friends come along in the first place. That would have been an alien concept to him, too.

>>82673177
Yondu was nice to him

>>82674209
yes but he's not a stable personality and decided on murder instead

it's really not that complicated

>>82674752

He thought in time Wuill would become like him, due to the temptation of power and the belief that Ego's own divine meaning inherently trumps any mortal meaning, but he was wrong. He thought Peter could only find meaning and togetherness with his biological family, but Ego did not realize Quill had already made meaning with his new family the Guardians.

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>>82660843
>so bad at sex he gives women cancer

EGO IS UNDOUBTEDLY /OURGOD/

>>82676773
And seeing them in danger would still have made a hell of a lot more sense than making him "cancerman."

It's not that we don't get what they were going for. We're just pointing out the myriad of ways you could go about that bit without it being slightly retarded. I thought it was nuts that in a movie with so much focus on familial ties, it didn't occur to them that making him the HIV-stud/deadbeat dad/"great lover" never seemed to occur to them.

>>82674752
Remember at that point Ego practically brainwashed Quill with visions of the cosmos, Eternity. Like it's been explained multiple times in this thread, Ego doesn't understand nor value the concept of love for one's family. And Peter holds his mother very near and dear to his heart

>>82662653
>Peter I'm your father lol
>Peter I have super powers and you do too lmao
>lol I killed your mother Peter
>epic DBZ fight with superpowers
>due to friendship and love, I defeat you father
>Peter loses super powers because his father dies

Yeah, such an amazing villain.

>>82676869
>reget women and reject friends
>become a solitary in his own planet with her puppet asian waifu

Literally /ourguy/

>>82677227

There's nothing retarded about it. Ego is a being who desires to procreate for his ambition, but who fell in love with one of his concubines so he killed her in order not to limit his ambition. He accepts his decision and moves forward confidently, due to his faith in his ambition. He tries to pass his ambition on to his son, including the very confidence he found in forsaking the life of his child's mother. His son rejects it, they fight.

Any warlord, harem owner, or mistress-haver, politician or member of royalty is liable to do the same thing, whether they forcibly remove the concubine or leave them to die in their own squalor. The idea that it's unrealistic for a person in power to acknowledge violent rejection of his mistress to their lovechild is simply short-sighted. We are taking about a man with ambitions to become God, he is unlikely to accept shame if he truly wants to become God.

Besides, Ego for the first time in his life had felt not alone. He was so happy and was opening up to the son he traveled the galaxy to create. He sincerely thought Quill would be as enthusiastic as he was about doing whatever it takes to become God.

>>82661014
>(((rottentomatoes)))

>>82666021
Zemo had the superpower to read the script

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>>82660843
>you're only special thanks to your father
>your father is a demon with little humanity
>you have to destroy him and his heritage for the good of everyone else

What kind of message were (((they)) trying to convey?

>>82679245
Family isn't always blood

is this really a question

>>82660843
Didn't he say he could only visit her 4 times. Plus he was most likely impatient.

>>82678797
It's pretty retarded, anon, especially considering the other options people keep pointing out and you keep dismissing.

>>82661567
Not 100% sure but I think he says in the movie that he didn't want to go back to Earth after his mother died

>>82669912
Also shows why Cooper never made it as a big leading actor.

Thoughts on baby Groot being tortured? Pretty nasty.

>>82679284
>family isn't always blood.

This. We don't need borders or bloodlines or patriarchy. We're all the same.

>>82672553
That is a lot of murder.

>>82661921
Get pregnant and wait 9 months and birth out a child and hope it has the activate celestial genes
or
Nut in 1000 sexy space women, wait 9 months and collect your 1000 offspring to weed out your celestial co-partner

>>82660843
You're supposed to enjoy the special effects, not question the plot, fucking nerd

>>82665554
Wasn't he cooked up in a lab? Does that even count as an alien?

Does Kurt Russell have Finnish blood in him? His eyes look so Mongolian.

>>82665572
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIET

>>82679469

You think a half dozen sentence fragments somehow count as actualized, executed scriptwriting? I suppose I should be reading my movies off of napkins, then.

>>82679662
Yep! Heroic, ain't it?

>>82679717
Implying every race has the same gestation period.

>>82679879
He was Uplifted from a lower life form and extensively augmented with cybernetics. What we don't know is whether he was originally an Earth raccoon or just an eerily similar alien animal.

>>82660843
The bigger plot hole is that there was literally no reason at all to just casually say :

"Oh yeah senpai I totally tumored up your mommas head btw."

Right as Peter is literally fallen entirely into his plan...

>>82666170
Why do so many assholes get annoyed by Drax? Did you also moan and whine about Bender when you watched Futurama? Pull your head out from where the sun don't shine.

>>82660843
He never really loved her.
Ego's primary thing is in his name. Dude only cares about himself.

>>82679938
It wouldn't have taken more than one napkin.

>All Ego's lovers get cancer.
>Ego doesn't give a shit
>Quill finds out by telepathy while they're connected
>Quill calls him on it
>Ego gets butthurt because he's so special that mothering his children should be thought of as an honor
>Quill goes super saiyan on his ass

Didn't even take all that much thought, but it's pretty much more than went into the script for this one.

>>82680449
He's an ego maniac that feels like no one else understands him for possibly millions of years.
He takes pride in all of his plans. By revealing that it pained him to plant that tumor, he thinks it makes him sympathetic because he's that self-centered

How is a fucking comic book movie so hard to understand for this board

>>82680471
>telepathy
Where in the hell did that come from

>>82662763
Not in any way shape or form.

Just got back, Gunn's far and away Marvels best director, the only one to really make em feel like comics. Beautifully rendered action, designs, decent plotting and emotional core. Him and Taika should be the future if the MCU not the visually dreadfully inept Russos

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>>82681207
>visually dreadfully inept Russos

>I'm so fucking angry that stories like Winter Soldier and Civil War look more grounded than wacky space adventures.

>>82680471

You didn't understand Ego. He's an invasive neural network that intends to encompass the entire universe together with his son as one singular entity. He's not Zeus, he's a high-science fiction existential usurper who has developed a cursory knowledge of what it means to be human, enough to seduce a person and be jovial, but who is so internally inhuman that he cannot begin to grasp why someone would choose mortality. This is such an incurable fucked up flaw of his that he thinks you can get away with telling someone you've killed their mother as long as you're offering them immortality.

Like I said I don't take my movies in sentence fragments, and your dour synopsis somehow doesn't compare to the holistic, complete movie that the actual script is inexorably tied to.

>>82681253
No that's not an excuse. Gunn is an artful director and they're clunky, ugly and amateurish.

>>82681578
Can you please explain your reasoning that Winter Soldier or Civil War is what you're saying it is in your post? Please refrain from using the airport scene. They had to refilm that last minute to force in Spider-Man.

>>82681724
Ruining lucidly choreographed action and combat with jarring non-stop cuts, no discernable visual style or memorable images, in fact the opposite. Sub- CW tv tier direction. And I'm sorry but again that's not an excuse, their biggest scene had to be reshot at the last minute so that's why it's bad? No, theyre just not the visual stylists like Gunn, Snyder, Taika or even Whedon or Derrickson.

>>82661921
Why would anyone want to be a woman? They get fucked.

>>82682036
You just answered your own question

>>82681921
>And I'm sorry but again that's not an excuse, their biggest scene had to be reshot at the last minute so that's why it's bad?
You're getting huffy towards Russos when you should be getting huffy towards Disney for making them cram Spider-Man into the airport fight.

>visual stylists like Gunn, Snyder, Taiki or even Whedon or Derrickson
>Snyder, Whedon
So you're fucking with me. My mistake for feeding the troll.

>>82660916

Aaron Sorkin is known for his dialogue. What u talking bout nigga.

>>82682109
Here I am being serious with you and you're making excuses and insults. And not once ever offering a defense of their work.

>It's not the director's fault their biggest scene was terrible, it's the studios'!

And Snyder is obviously a gifted visual Stylist as his work is graphically lush, painterly, mythic. Whedon too understood comic book action and scale.

But you can call me angry and "huffy" again or whatever and make excuses, I'm over this tangent.

GotG2 was beautifully rendered and Gunn really gets the cosmic aesthetic.

>>82676548
For 2 days before he died

>>82665066
Dont think for a second they arnt going to have his powers deus ex machina in a future film

Very few decisions in this movie made sense but everyone will give it a pass because muh fun

>>82680616
You're a literal moron.

>>82681253
Remind me what's wrong with wacky space adventures?

>>82683195
Thank you for clearly and tactfully refuting my point

ego didn't actually love. what he thought was love was based on our music especially our love songs from our radio broadcasts.

>>82683235
I never said there was anything wrong with wacky space adventures. But when he's complaining that more serious Captain America movies like Civil War and Winter Soldier aren't colorful and "comic booky" enough he's really being silly.

>>82672936
are redneck cucks?

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>>82683348
>ego didn't actually love. what he thought was love was based on our music especially our love songs from our radio broadcasts.

Don pls

>>82661921
Why didn't Ego take the form of a nigger so it wouldn't be expected that he stay with the baby mama

>>82679717
he literally had nothing but time.

>>82683998
kek good job anon

>>82660843
He didn't want to get attached and had a greater desire to fulfill his plans. Getting attached would distract him

>>82660843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4aujTbe7_A&lc=z130j5dx1zmthftoo04cibsrssb3t5qjrrs0k.1494627283235880

the movie can't be too smart OP. it's a product

>>82663384
>what is this guys power level in relation to thanos?
Not really stronger or weaker, just 'different.' More powerful in some ways, less powerful in others. All in all probably a bit of a bigger deal though.

>what relevance does this movie have to the overall plot of the mcu?
Well most life in the universe wasn't extinguished, so there's that. In terms of actual consequence though, Nebula's arc might end up being particularly important come Infinity War. The Ravegers might end up being important too.

>>82681488
Thank you for summing this up in such a cohesive manner. Ego never had a mother or any meaningful connection to another being that didn't include the biases of his mission or those of being so far above and removed from what means to be a societal mortal being.

>>82681488
>you can only know through experience
Next you'll tell me sociopaths make for bad actors

>>82660843
Why did he kill the kiddos??

>>82670454
The other anon was stupid. The answer to why he didn't bring Peter's mom is simple.

She was starting to become more important to him than his plan, so he stopped seeing her and killed her so that he could go on with his plan.

>>82663384
>1. what is this guys power level in relation to thanos?
Inherently more powerful, yet more fundamentally flawed by virtue of being so far removed from other sentients in the galaxy. Despite age and "experience", Ego is too naive and ill informed on what it means to be anything but itself, because it never had to play by any other terms than what it set itself for itself. What Thanos is, is shaped by harrowing experiences that twisted him into what he is, thus he knows how to use others and wield power much more effectively than Ego probably ever could.

>2. what relevance does this movie have to the overall plot of the mcu?
Peter can no longer serve as an Infinity Stone McGuffin. Now he's as mortal as the rest of us.

>>82680616
>>82681488
No, I understand him pretty damn well, considering that I've read pretty much every appearance he's ever had in comics. The guys who wrote this tripe didn't, though. They were too busy being clever to actually be smart.

>>82687507
They displeased him in one way or another, and like with everything else growing on his planet body, they would live or die based on his whim because he just saw them as an extension of himself.

>>82679577
That whole scene was nasty. All of yondu's supporters dying.

>>82687737
Wrong. They weren't celestials.

>>82664917
And holy shit, how fucking awesome was it that they actually had the FACE ON THE PLANET!!

>>82666053
He's going to distract Thanos into tripping and dropping the Infinity Gauntlet.

>>82660843
because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgf5BC_s-4

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>>82679577
Wasn't enough. Needed to be tortured more. I can't stand annoying little kids.

Can somebody explain guardians of the galaxy lore to me? why are ALL ALIENS actually just humans and capable of reproducing with humans
Why did ego assume human form before contacting life forms and knowing how the look? why did ego even have a brain of that shape?
I dont understand

>>82661183
Well he waited millions of years, what's a couple decades to him?

>>82689666
Because nobody wants to look at non-human animals. They look weird to us.

>>82689666

Because no one writing any of these is a good writer, and even if a few were who could add depth and complexity to something like non-earth life, it'd all be watered down by the 400 other writers that are just doing a regular mediocre job but contribute to the total "canon".

>>82663384
>>82686783
Also Bug Lady is on the team now. Also, Rockets probably going to be a lot nicer. Can't think of much else

Speak of the devil watching big trouble brettygood.

com/

>>82690211
I feel like the only American alive that doesn't like this movie.

>>82673775
>you can't just bang one of every race in the galaxy

>>82690347
it's highly overrated and not even one of Carpenter's top 5

still good tho

>>82660843
The point was that like Peter he was chasing after something (meaning / purpose, companionship) while being (in his case wilfully) blind to the fact that he had already found it in Meredith. Waiting for her to die wasn't an option, her existence was a threat to his entire worldview. Here was a being that had met thousands, millions, possibly billions of creatures across the universe and had never been interested in any of them who was now suddenly and overwhelmingly in love with a mortal. If he stayed with her it would have meant that he didn't need to do the expansion because there were regular mortal beings out there they he could be connected to and he wasn't willing to accept that.

It's not a coincidence that Peter was the only child he had who could tap into the power cosmic or celestial genes or whatever (hint hint - the missing ingredient in all his other couplings was love).

>>82690857
Good observation, anon.

>>82664896
Agents of Shield had an episode with a sort of Ego the planet. It drove some astronauts insane and was generally hostile to anyone trying to live on it.

>>82680400
1-2 years for larger aliens

Why did he even need 2 Celestials for the expasnion anyway, all he said was that it was 2grand4me

What is even supposed to be grand for the guy who spent millions of years building himself out of nothing