>Encounter a pre-warp civilization >Violate the prime directive

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I wish she was a female Kirk instead of a female Picard.

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>violate the prime directive consistently
>when questioned about it reply you never have
>have a huge bitch-fit at another captain doing the same just so he can get his people home

and they made this stupid cunt an admiral

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>A-koo-chee-moya
>The people of my tribe
>I need to go on a vision quest
>Captain, can I open a casino in cargo bay 3?

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>>82595197
>Develop infinite speed engine, that could by definition take them home instantly.
>Only downside is that you may mutate or "evolve" to use Brandon Braga's terminology into retarded salamanders in pic related.
>Develop cure against being turned into pic related
>Never speak of this new drive tech again and instead crawl back toward the federation on regular drive losing countless crew in the process.

>>82595283
It's the timehonoured tradition of "promoting" someone they can't otherwise get rid of into a do-nothing desk job where they can't cause more harm.

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>>82595304
>Indians were savages until given their culture by pale-skinned aliens

>>82595197
>it's a seven of nine reverts back to the collective mentality episode
>it's a seven of nine directly defies Janeways orders with no reprocussions episode

>>82595197
Name 5 episodes where this happens you DS9shitposter

What the FUCK did they mean by this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x1oQJiajB4

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>Conceived as a potentially interesting character echoing back to the half-human Spock, but with the twist that she's a Klingon instead of a Vulcan
>She will have to learn to deal with her race's temperament in a situation that isn't ideal
>Ham-handed writing and plastic performance by the actress just makes her sound like a bitch
ALL HE WANTED TO DO WAS BE IN A SPACE RACE

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>It's a holodeck episode
Well fiddly-dee

>>82595635
Always when the writers ran out of ideas. Oh shit the safety protocols were turned off!

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>>82595635
>holodeck episodes
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>82595419
>Implying I don't think DS9 is worse
Maybe we can talk about it over some baseball

>>82595635
they are the best episodes
the one where those aliens made of light enter Paris' program was great

>>82595692
My people weren't allowed to play baseball centuries ago, it would be better to choose another sport

>>82595454
its like poetry

>>82595683
Voyager had good holodeck episodes though, Captain Proton is kino

They should have left Chakotay and Janeway on that planet with the mysterious illness and had based Tuvok commanding the ship for the rest of the way home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvbwvnpF8kw

>>82595635
The one where the Hirogen kept hunting them down in different scenarios through the holodeck and killing them was pretty cool. Shame we didn't get to see the borg version of enterprise like they hinted Hirogen probably would've got wrecked.

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>>82595197
I had finally saw the final 2 episodes on BBC America Monday night, and I have to say that was the MOST disappointing series finale I've ever seen.

The last 3 minutes, they get home, near Earth, - CHOP!...end.

So lazy, so careless, so underwhelmed as if they couldn't wait to end it so uneventfully.

No showing of the characters celebrating, or readjusting, just END - BAM! like chunking it into a dumpster.

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>>82595913
yeah, VOY finale was the worst. even the second coming of Dukat was better.

>>82595913
They were already paying the Quantum Leap guy by then.
JUST

>>82596049
I really couldn't believe how disappointing it was.

There were so many different ways it could have been done, but instead it went for the least impactful ending as possible.

GOOD MAIN CHARACTERS:
1. Tuvok
2. Doctor
3. Neelix (Post-Kes)
4. Janeway

BAD MAIN CHARACTERS:
1. Neelix (child rapist)
2. Akoochemoya
3. Harry "wahhh why arent we home yet" Kim
4. Tom Paris
5. B'Elanna

GOOD GUEST STARS:
1. Andy Dick
2. ISHYGDDT
3. Michael McKean
4. Sarah Silverman
5. The Rock

HONORARY MENTIONS:
1. Barclay
2. Ensign Suder
3. Q

>>82596215

Seven of Nine should be on top - Best actress on the show, interesting character

Switch Tom and B'Elana with Janeway

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>>82596215
>tuvok

>>82596228
I'm been a fan of TOS, and TNG for years, and didn't have access to UPN when it aired. So when it came to BBC America I finally had a chance to watch it.

It wasn't the best Star Trek, but sprinkled within there were some pretty good episodes, and there seemed to be some effort to expand Star Trek ideas that had begun in TNG.
It wasn't the best, but at times entertaining enough for Star Trek fans, and to end it that way seemed outright careless.

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Reminder that the Prime Directive is not an inviolable rule.

It exists for captains to use at their own discretion to protect themselves from claims of not acting to prevent bad things happening. They are given a degree of discretion to act where they think it is justifiable but will never face consequences for doing nothing.

Janeway did nothing wrong

>>82596376
Well played.
>not using the smug Janeway pepe..baka

>>82596376
pretty sure you're only allowed to violate it if lives are at risk

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>>82595394

>its a seven of nine acquires a human toilet episode

>>82595913
>hat was the MOST disappointing series finale I've ever seen.
you haven't seen ENT then

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>>82596293
I can't stand Seven, the constant obnoxious attempts at shoving her ass/tits in the viewer's face just completely ruin the character for me.

Tom and B'Elanna are utterly forgettable characters, I don't even remember half the stuff they did. They made a good couple at least.

>>82596319
Tuvok and The Doctor carried the show

this >>82596376
The federation can't afford to solve all the galaxy's problems. They'd never get any exploring done if they had to stop every few days to free slaves or stop people being burned alive in an inquisition on some primitive world.

>it's a battled hardened Maquis terrorists integrate perfectly into Starfleet within a week episode
>it's a bad boy Tom Paris turns into a model officer within a week episode
The missed opportunities for character development are just all over the place in Voyager, it's really offputting as you spend more time thinking about "what if they actually used this opportunity to do x" instead of enjoying the show

>>82596433
I can't stand Seven's tryhard authoritative voice. The Medical Hologram is the best.

>>82596508
you have brannon 'hit the reset button at the end of every episode' braga to thank for that

>>82596508
The show did WAY too many episodes about the Doc hologram, and Chakotay's Indian shit.

What do people think of Bashir? I love him but he never seems to get a mention.

>>82596508

Star Trek usually deliberately eschewed personal drama and conflict because of Gene 'October Revolution' Rodenberry thought that by the 23rd or 24th of whatever century human beings would be much more mature and enlightened and would not squabble with each other over petty personalities differences and disputes.

This is especially evident in the TNG era. There is more personal drama in the Kirk=Spock=Bones triad and they tried to bring some of that back with Enterprise with mixed results.

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>>82596594

>In the future humans will be super advanced and have done away with silly superstitious things like religion
>but you know those native americans were onto something and Chakotay's religion is totally real he just needed technology to access it or something
>Also Klingon Hell is real

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*blocks your path*

>every alien species has a unified global language, culture and religion (which is usually real)
>humans have none of these things

>>82596651
But in TNG I was able to accept it because I had imagined that in the future they'd reached a point of having discipline as a Starfleet officer that they'd manage to work passed personal squabbles.

There was definitely a disconnect with the characters of TNG as being relatable, but I accepted it as, people of a different time. To me, that's part of the fictional aspects to imagine people being different in a different time where life's worries aren't food, and money.

If we traveled back in time I believe our ancestors would see us in different ways both positive, and negatively. They'd see us as more disciplined in some ways. That's how I saw TNG characters, as people in a future with completely different struggles.

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>>82596445
it's a janeway tells the poor to fuck off already episode.

>>82596824

>Vulcan for the Vulcans
>Andor for the Andorian
>Kronos for the Klingons
>Earth for...everyone???

They say they are anti-speciest, what the are is anti-human. Say no to human genocide

>>82596757
>>82596806
I honestly wanted his character to die mid-series.

>>82596891

So did the guy playing him. He even demanded a huge raise in the hopes they would fire him and they just gave him the money instead.

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>>82596757
>Councillor Troi was supposed to be a quadruple-breasted hermaphrodite.

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>>82596508
Yeah, but a good portion of the Maqui crew were former or flunkie Federation recruits.

Additionally, that's why Janeway made Chakotay her First Officer. She wanted to quell that shit ASAP because it was something that could destroy the ship at any time if left unchecked.

Why do people hate Janeway? She wasn't s good as the other captains but she's still pretty solid.

>>82597258

misogyny

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>>82596806
>has 3 months of romance and sex with Captain Janeway stuck on a planet
>Janeway pretends it never happened

>>82596824
Star Trek is set in the future. In our future Islam will have united the world.

>>82597258
I don't dislike her character, but to me it seemed she did far too much by the book when there was literally no way to implement punishment or consequences for officers that broke protocol.
At some point it was beyond ridiculous as she couldn't do without any of her crew.

I have to argue quite often with work colleagues as to why VOY is inferior to DS9 and TNG....

they just don't get it

>>82597435
DS9 was BORING!
>Deep Sleep Nine

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Being THIS triggered over an episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxn4bUlG5hQ

>jeri ryan
>literally gets obama elected

>won't show boobs during her prime

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>>82597495
Holy shit...An hour, and 42 minute video pissed off about one episode from 1996.

>>82596421
That's from fanfiction.net, isn't it?

>>82596806
Every time Janeway says:"Chakotay", I drink a shot of whiskey. Gets me drunk fast.

>It's a teleporter accident episode
>It's a holodeck episode
>It's a Janeway and some nobodies that only appear in one episode episode
>It's a Naomi Wildman episode
Lt. Reg Barclay episodes were the best imo

I'd violate her prime directive and assimilate her with my cock if you know what i'm getting at

>>82597641
thanks obama

>>82597730
To be fair it was such a poor episode

>I traveled to infinite warp
>I existed in all moments of reality at once
>Now I'm sick
>Now I'm a Salamander
>Now the Captain is a Salamander
>Now we've had Salamander babies
>Cut to the Medbay, we're both cured off-screen and laugh about it
>The events episode is never brought up, referenced or hinted at again

Janeway's problem was that the writers never really had a handle on her character. She could be written as a starry-eyes idealist who would never dream of violating starfleet protocols or betraying federation ideals one week, or a cold, calculating pragmatist who would stop at nothing to get her crew home the next. Even Kate Mulgrew said she could make heads or tails of Janeway's characterization and literally started portraying her as bi-polar.

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>>82599727
You almost had it. It's not that the writers never really had a handle on it, it's that two different sets of writers both wrote the character completely differently, which lead to jarring differences in how Janeway acts from episode to episode. You'll notice she doesn't has her bi-polar problem WITHIN any single episode, it's only when comparing episodes.

She's either:
>Motherly Captain, dutiful but with a soft side. Runs the ship like her crew is family. Nothing is more important than principles.
or
>BADASS SPACE BITCH

>>82599362
>it was such a poor episode

True, it wasn't that great. Although, much of Star Trek treats history blindly. That's a common criticism of Star Trek TV shows because they wanted you to be able to watch any episode without needing to watch previous episodes.
That is partly what has kept both TOS, and TNG still entertaining to this day. Many people don't like having start with 6 to 7 seasons to catch up.

Plus, the "restart" method allows the reruns to air at anytime, on any station without too much previous referencing. That's the nature of how TV worked back then, and some (myself included) enjoyed it that way.

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Hello friends !

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It's me, Neelix !

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Try a bowl of my famous Leola-Root stew !

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Meet my girlfriend Kes, she's about to turn 3.

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Even though I spent most of my years alone on a scavenger ship, I'm really a family man at heart

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I'm entrusted with supervising your children while you are busy with your duties aboard Voyager !

I've never seen anything Star Trek.
Should I just watch it all chronologically? Anything to stay away from?

>>82601231
Just watch the original series, it's really the only one that's good.

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>>82601068
Keep your furry feet away from me, that's all I'm going to say.

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>>82595635
speaking of which

What powered Voyager's holodecks? They often talked about Voyager's hologrid as an "independent subsystem", but they never showed what generated the power, like an ore processor or whatever. And those episodes where main power is offline but the holoprojectors are still operational or vice versa show the power systems to be incompatible, as otherwise they could share and ration energy by using transformers to convert the differing voltages and the system wouldn't be, as stated, offline.

>>82601231
Any episode of TOS is great if you can overlook the cheap sets. TNG is basically a modernized version with better sets (for the time) but not as brave as TOS.
ST:Voyager is a more episodic version of TNG. DS9 is BerMAN making his anti-Roddenberry Star Trek, and Enterprize is a shitty prequel to TOS that doesn't do well until the last season before it's cancelled.

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>it's a scene that traumatizes you episode

>>82601832
>not as brave as TOS

>it's a wild west planet
>it's an indians planet
>it's an ancient greece planet
>it's a chicago mobster planet
>it's a nazi planet
>it's an abraham lincoln planet
>it's literally 1960s earth
>and again

such a bold vision of the future and never before seen worlds and civilizations!

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>>82596806

>>82601962
There were many deeper philosophicals matter dwelt with in TOS - overpopulation, man's need to survive, and etcetera that I was referring to that TNG didn't even begin to scratch the surface of.

>>82601278
>>82601832
Alright, starting with TOS.
What about the movies? I've heard mixed things.

>>82602090
Are you serious? See? This is EXACTLY WHY IMDB message boards shouldn't have been closed.

The TOS movies? 1, and 2 were my favorites, but by part 3 it's all fan service to make money. After part 2, it's about seeing the "characters we love" over, and over in wacky adventures no matter how old they get.

>>82595283
They promoted her with good reason...Admirals don't Captain starships, she got a glorified desk job. Look at Kirk, he was never happy being Admiral as he wanted the captains position so he could do what he always wanted to do.

>>82602090
Watch TOS than the animated series than the movies, you can come back after for more recommendations

>>82595394
>it's a Doctor becomes a holographic justice warrior and they retread Measure of a Man AGAIN episode

>>82596433
> constant obnoxious attempts at shoving her ass/tits in the viewer's face
dayumn, get over it nigger
you're probably one of those foos who couldn't get over Ross Geller as Captain Sobel in Band of Brothers

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Why did the Hirogen become manlets in the later episodes?

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>>82603366
They took off the mask and could no longer be big guys. Truly a fate worse than death.

>>82595394
The Voyager Conspiracy is kino though

>>82596215
Put Kim in Good and we have a deal

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>it's a tom paris episode

>>82603366
Maybe the one voyager original alien species I'd like to see again.

>>82595913
If you look closely, you can apparently see Beltran chuckling and rolling his eyes at how shitty it was.

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>>82596954
>That didn't get me fired? How about this? Write something really fucking stupid, since you guys are so good at that. Something like...I'm fucking Seven of Nine. How about that?
>Wait, you're actually going to do that?

>>82596376
The prime directive only makes sense as a means of preventing alien races from getting advanced tech and becoming a problem. There is nothing noble about "the natural course of evolution," nor about leaving a species to die when you could have helped.

>>82596954
It's crazy how much drama there was with that cast. I hope they've made up over the years.

>>82603738
>If the goddamn producer can do it then so can I!

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>>82602077
>deeper philosophical matters
>like uhm overpopulation

>>82604153
god i wish stellaris used victoria 2 pop mechanics
fuck that game

>Episode with the forgotten lowest tier crewmates
>Each faces a large personal problem
>Episide ends without actually addressing or fixing any of them

So did Janeway just come to the realization they were hopeless and moved on?

>>82604110
Where can I read about this? What did they even have to fight about?

>>82601962
Roddenberry devised what he called "infinite earths" in his series pitch as a cost-saving measure to win over the executives. He lays out the probability of earth-like planets in the galaxy and basically goes "yeah and maybe a few look like the Gunsmoke".

>>82595507
>dat utter lack of muscle
>Klingon

>>82604273
i think janeway hated seven for stealing muh feminine thunder
and chakotay hated the writers for obvious reasons

>>82604350
Well that makes sense I assumed that introducing 7 would have caused some drama on the set.

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>>82595913
>>82596049
>the last scene filmed of DS9
>all the actors, writers, producers, directors and production staffers are gathered in one room, sharing stories, laughing, crying, drinking, partying on their very last night together

>the last scene filmed of Voyager
>Janeway and Paris doing "battle shake" reshoots at 3AM, with closeups on their faces to keep the camera from seeing the workers dismantling the bridge around them

What did they mean by this?

>>82604273
I know Janeway was mad at the showrunners for hyping up Seven strictly because she was fucking the producer, and they didn't get along at all. I think they've made amends since. Also I think Kes is still salty about leaving.

>>82596592
Brannon is the technobabble guy, Rick is the reset button guy.

For example, Braga wanted Year of Hell to last an entire year, but unfortunately Berman vetoed that.

>>82595197
So basically America in space :^)

>>82604273
Beltran supposedly only took the job because he wanted to work with the actress that they originally cast as Janeway and couldn't get out of the contract when she left. He was also pissed about his character being a stereotype based on an "expert" who turned out to be a liar that wasn't even Native American.

The rest was a bunch of writers that constantly fought each other, along with Berman being a dick that hamstrung the human characters to make the aliens more interesting.

>>82595856
This. I know those episodes in the grand scheme of Trek are pretty naff, but I've got a lot of time for cheesy as fuck "Aliens help the Nazi's" stories.

The Enterprise one was alright, but Voyager at least was well aware of how cheesy it was in that particular 2 parter.

>>82596319
Tuvok is without a shadow of a doubt the most underrated recurring character in all of Star Trek.

>>82596406
The lives of the Voyager crew were at risk. They were inside Borg space and didn't know how big it was to go around. There's not exactly signposts saying "You are now entering Borg space".

The threat of assimilation was very real in Scorpion.

It's still a shit episode and Janeway is still a cunt, but lives were definitely at risk.

>>82599362
Yeah it was dogshit, but an hour and 42 minutes autisticly screeching about it?

Aren't there over 700 episodes of Star Trek across all the series? It stands to reason that at least a few would be utter fucking cancer. If you care enough about Star Trek to want to make a video of that length then just move the fuck on.

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>>82604350
Nah I get Mulgrews beef.

Star Trek is meant to be this proper enlightened show. It's deeper than just people in shitty alien make up. That's what the fans have banged on about for decades since TOS went off air.

So they have a female captain, and she's there by merit, not because she has cracking tits or is eyecandy or whatever like the stereotype sci-fi and fantasy has. Janeway (in theory) is a professional.

Then 3 seasons in, they decide "nerds aren't watching this enough" so they get in the hot woman the producer is fucking and stick her in a tight catsuit for no reason other than to appeal to the dicks of the male viewers. From my perspective, I'm fine with that, but I can understand why Mulgrew might be salty, especially given how seriously actors take their craft.

>>82604959
> he wanted to work with the actress that they originally cast as Janeway

You mean fuck right?

>>82601770

Plot.

>>82605730
There are many bad episodes, but Threshold is the only one that makes me question why the series even exists.

They can just go home at that point. Go home, Janeway, go home!