So why doesn't Sauron turn invisible when he's

>>82557294
The invisibility tax is too high.

>>82557294
Cuz he actually knows how to use it.

>>82557344
Obamacare is repealed so Sauron will do just fine.

>>82557865
tell me more about Sauron's health care plan

>>82557294
>>82557344

So is this a comfy LOTR or taxposting thread?

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>>82557888
both!

>>82557888

Can it not be both?

>>82557294
because sauron is actually hell

Why didn't they tax the owner of the ring?
That way, people would want to get rid off it faster

>>82557909
What's with the Hitler salute?

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give me a quick rundown on this tax meme

>>tfw Sauron has less then 50 million orcs intentionally so that he doesn't have to give them 401ks or healthcare benefits

>it's not.your authority to deny.the tax return of the king!

>>82557294
Sauron, like Tom Bombadil, isn't a mortal, but a powerful spirit. It just doesn't have that effect on him. But someone wearing the ring long enough turns into a (weak) spirit who'll live in the "Void" under Sauron's eye eternally.

Rings only turn you invisible if you're a manlet, if you're a 6'8 metal man then it makes you even more metal

This has been established a thousand times already. The ring only enhances the natural powers of the wearer. Hobbits are good at sneaking and hiding, that's why they become invisible when they wear it. We only see hobbits in the movie wear the ring and they become invisible. This is where this misconception comes from. Galadriel and Boromir didn't want the ring to become invisible, but because they would have become insanely powerful. Read the goddamn books.

>>82558254
thanks for the explanation, but do hobbits have any kind of stealth ability?
if a dwarf was good at sneaking, would he become invisible too?

>>82558254
WRONG. Boromir, like Isildur, would have turned invisible too. Galadriel is and elf, and so a half-spirit like Gandalf, which is why they'd be different.

>>82558378
This. Can someone break down the list of abilities each race would have?
>Hobbit - invisibility
>Elves - strength beyond immortality
>Humans - ?
>Dwarves - ?
>Orcs - ?
>Wizards - ?

>>82558378
The explanation I gave is actually wrong. I wrote it so some Tolkien autist would get triggered and give the real answer. It had something to do with entering the spirit world when you put on the ring.

>>82558458
>(((Dwarves))) : media, economy, and politics manipulation powers

>>82558458
>Humans - taxonomy

>>82558528
So in LOTR universe they'll have the power of manipulation and wealth? Since pretty much The Hobbit is about the Dwarves kingdom and wealth.

>>82558458
>>Elves - video game acrobatics and bullshitery

>>82558254
Stop posting this dribble you dunce

>>82558519
can someone explain this a bit?
>>82558596
i see that you didn't watch the hobbit

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>>82558596
Probably the most useless ring ability. The fuckers already do stupid acrobatics and already highly skilled at archery.
What skill/powers would they have to surpass that if they had the ring?

How come Gandalf, his whole job being to destroy sauron, didn't know how to recognise the ring

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The real quesion is

>>82558828

>>82558014
you mean the roman salute

>>82558152
is he able to fuck me qts or not?

>>82558822
Yeah that's kinda dumb. Pipe weed lmao

>>82558564
they even have a jewish star in the throne
erebor is israel and smaug is palestine/islam who attacks the west/dale because we helped them

>>82558810
to stop being fags

>>82558014
because a galaxy far far away was actually 1930's germany

>>82557294
it's not touching his skin, it's on the outside of his armor glove

>>82557878
it's a big plan

>>82559136
what if you pick up the rings with your bare hands without putting it on your finger? it still touches your skin, shouldn't it make you invisible right away?

>>82558528
How many times do I have to correct you faggots on the Dwarvish Jewish comparison? The Dwarves are clearly the Swiss. They are incredibly insular and don't care about meddling in the affairs of others; they're content to just fuck off with the gold.

Why didn't sauron put a shield on his ring hand

>>82559314
We are wanderers and shiet we dont belong anywhere we need to retake our land from the evil and we like jewels
They even had a star of david ln the throne of Erebor m8

>>82557878
It's extremely expensive

Am I the only that thought he was some kind of reptiianoid or a dinosaur because of the name?

Why didn't Sauron make a newer, better ring?

>>82559781
The numenorean flag had stars on it doesn't mean they were Jews who lost the homeland and came to middle earth to subvert the goyim.

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>>82558254
Wow, it's that one guy who thinks he is 100% correct about something that he misheard from somewhere and believes it with arrogant conviction. Kys

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>>82559936
SEVER THE TAIL TO WEAKEN THE BEAST !

if the ring changes size when you put it on, why didn't they just put it on a flea's leg? or even a virus' wiggly arm.

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>>82559965
>it's that one guy who thinks he is 100% correct about something that he misheard from somewhere and believes it with arrogant conviction

Ought to fit right in.

>>82558254
That's literally not true you literal homofag. We literally see Isildur literally be invisible when wearing the ring. Please literally go kill your literal self

>>82558822

It was a nondescript gold ring among thousands. And there are other harmless magic rings, not just the rings of power

>>82559936
To be perfectly candid, anon, I never personally felt that way but there's that about the lucid straightforwardness of your idea which completely disarms scorn.

>>82558458
>>Humans - strength and agility
>>Dwarves - money lending and endurance/constitution
>>Orcs - strength/agility
>>Wizards - UNLIMITED POWER

Why didn't they put the ring on a balrog just for the lulz?

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>>82560022

>>82559246
Did u not see the fucking movie?

>>82560069
the idea of the thing having confidence in what it imagines to be its stealth while its great stomping feet generate as much noise as ever and sparks/embers become visible as they fall off its body raises a dry smile

does it still work if you wear it on your cock?

Why did Sauron even make the One Ring? He just put all his power into it, it was basically a phylactery, no? But why would a Maiar (sic?) need one if they are immortal? Was it a way to power himself up, which he could only accomplish through making a ring? Then why didn't he just make a better ring after he lost the One?

>>82560163
He created the One ring to subdue, corrupt and control the wearers of the others rings

>>82560163
Sauron is basically the textbook definition of a control freak who valued order (by his hand) above everything else. The One Ring was a way for him to establish dominance over the powerful bearers of the lesser rings that he gave away. It worked on the Human and Dwarf kings.

>>82560243
>It worked on the Human and Dwarf kings

It didn't go according to plan with the dwarves though but the effects were disastrous none the less.

>>82560243
>>82560272
also Sauren is defined as being different from Melkor because he desires to dominate life where Melkor desired to just be recognized as lord of the earth itself

>>82560163
>But why would a Maiar (sic?) need one if they are immortal?
They're immortal but not invincible. If I recall correctly they could still die, but when they did, they would basically become ghosts that couldn't interact with the world. Like a breeze. That was ultimately Saurons fate after the rings destruction.

>>82560163
Sauron was a spirit. When spirits create things, they pour some of their essence into material world. It was one of they causes of downfall of his former master, Morgoth poured so much of his essence into Arda thatvit weakened him. So Sauron just put his essence into the ring, thanks to that he did not needed to pour his essence into Arda to influence it
Second reason was because lesser Rings were bound to the One, he designed itbthat way, and wanted to use Ones influence toit control other bearers and rule other races by this proxy, by elves saw through that

>>82560376
>elves saw through that
And secreted the rings away. Dwarves greed was increased 100X and they sealed themselves away looking for treasure, while the humans became the nine.

>>82560376
He was also affiliated with the god of crafting in the beginning so making rings and shit was like, totally his thing.

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>>82557294
So why Lois doesn't turn invisible in this moment?

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>>82558254
Stop this at once.

Why didn't Sauron send 5,000 Corsairs along the coast of the Western Sea to attack the Shire in secret after learning of the One Ring being found there? He could have wiped them all out and probably killed the last of the Dunedain all at once. Then sent up the Ringwraiths to collect the Ring in case the Corsairs tried to fuck him?

>>82560581
Shire isn't close enough to sea.

>>82560623
>land ship on shore
>march to Shire

???

>>82560689
>get into full scale war with elves from Rivendell and Dunadain
>hobbits escape, good luck ever finding the one faggot who had the ring now

how come the ringwraith couldn't detect the ring when it was literally four feet under his nose?

if it has to be worn to be detected then just burying it in a deep hole would be a perfectly adequate way of getting rid of it.

>>82560732
Sauron would win even without the ring

>>82559820
For you

>>82559965
>responding to pasta

>>82560768
but aragorn had an army of invincible super ghosts

>>82560896
>Without the army of super ghost Middle Earth is fucked
How do you think they will do without super ghost?

>>82560896
They woyldnt be able to defeat him and were bound to fight only one fight, theyd fuck off after the first battle and sauron had many armies. And even if theyd defeated him somehow, it would only delay Sauron, as long as ring existed he would came back

Why did Sauron want to rule Middle Earth anyway?

So ok, he is in charge now, what is he gonna do? Watch orcs around for the rest of eternity? Do nothing?

>>82558254
>Believed this for years but everyone saying it's wrong
ruh roh

>>82561301
He was basically an autist, he wanted to arrange everything into an order because he thought creation was too chaotic, and the only way he could do it was to became a master or all beings. But eventually he lost his way because thats what the ring does to you and ruling became an end in itself for him

>>82557294
because he exists in both planes
the ring just sends you into the other

>>82559314
kill yourself their language is even semitic

It's common knowledge dwarves were at the very least partially inspired by the yids

>>82561301
>>82561461
He also wanted to be or play at being a creator god, and needed to accumulate such great might (ie unify middle earth as he basically had the north, east and south) so the Valar wouldn't dare attack him of fear of destroying the elves and man.

The ring picks your best trait and buffs it by 200%.

So hobbits turn invisible, wizards become elder god tier powerful, etc.

>>82559957
>Why didn't Sauron make a newer, better ring?

He put all of his magical power into the ring so if he was destroyed somehow he could keep coming back.

>>82560022
Isuldur was a coward, that's why he turned invisible.

M O N G
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Why didn't aragorn get half the ghosts to save gondor, and half to fight at the black gate

>>82558254
thats literally just wrong you dumb faggot

>>82561534
>He also wanted to be or play at being a creator god
That was Morgoth

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>>82557294
How bad does is suck to be respawned as a fucking building.

>>82559314
this
I hate plebs talking about tolkien - so many meme interpretations

>>82561793
Because they had all sworn the same oath back when they were alive and that was not "We'll attack the black gate mate"

Was there an army of super ghosts in the books? I totally forget.

>>82561923
It's the biggest ongoing meme in every comfy LotR thread. Every god damn thread some retard throws it out there

>>82561960
Yes. Aragorn uses them to kill the corsairs so that he can lead the forces of southern Gondor to Minas Tirith up the Anduin

>>82561301
he's a poor limited creature who imagines ruling a landmass probably smaller than the united states will make him a big man. big maia.

>>82557294
Because that isnt the rings power. We mostly only see how the ring deceives people. They just think it is powerful for them, while it only ever benefits Sauron. Same thing with the invisibility: once you wear the ring you turn into a shining beacon for Sauron and his goons

>>82561996
Jesus is everything in the books this gay? Summoning some fucking super ghosts seems like a cop-out.

Everyone says this trilogy is GOAT fantasy literature but some of this is retarded because Tolkien was just like "lol bcuz i said so"

Rings that give you buffs for your specific talents? Spirit niggers putting their "essence" into things? wtf

>>82558254
This. Also when Gandalf says 'fly you fools' he is telling the fellowship to find the eagles and fly to modor

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>>82562252
>Jesus is everything in the books this gay? Summoning some fucking super ghosts seems like a cop-out.
This is how the Witch King of Angmar destroyed Arnor, he used alot of wraiths

>>82561919
That's an invention of Peter Hackson, In the books the Eye of Sauron isn't literal

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>>82562158
Why not just become a beacon for himself if that turns wielders invisible then?

>>82562252
The book is about GOD
Is about people doing their part and god helping them along the way.

This is extremely clear with the eagles at the end. The hobbits did their part and god rewarded them with safety. Basically don't expect god to solve all our problems, do your part and you will rewarded at the end.

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>>82562434

>>82562371
So he looks the same as always in the boosk? wtf hackson

>>82558014
See any Jews in Middle Earth?

>>82562480
that's literally the underlining theme of the books
sorry your fedora is preventing you from understanding it

>>82562399
Nice dubs
Also that doesn't make sense.
Firstly, people that wear the ring turn invisible because it sends you into the wraith world. The ringwraiths, sauron some very powerful elves and the wizards are all actively in both worlds or have some presence in both, so they don't turn invisible, it just enhances their power. For mortals who don't have a presence you get actual transitions hence invisibility.
To note, the ringwraiths and wraiths in general are wearing cloth because of some mumbo jumbo I don't remember. Each defeat of Saurons destroyed more of his physical form and by the time of his defeat, he was just a shadowy spirit skulking around in his tower, not a giant glowing eyeball.

>>82557294
>tfw you wake up to a comfy lotr thread on /tv/
feels good man

>>82558858
they were animorphs

>>82562158
true but then Sauron mostly fears someone claiming the ring and opposing him, so it's possible a strong individual could use it's power. Gandalf claims that person would just be another dark lord since the ring only destroys and corrupts.

>>82558031
yes

>>82562306
Why didn't he do it in the first place? Do they fucking despawn after a certain amount of time or distance?

>>82558031
this

>>82562812
They're really only one time use sort of things. Some linger on and stay but are confined to the region, like the whights in the barrows. Others are like the dead army that serve a purpose and bugger off. Think of them as using suicide bombers that sometimes carry nuclear waste with them when they go.

>>82562528
Dwarves?

>>82560689
Good fucking luck beating aragorns army of rangers with some Douchey corsairs

>>82562564
dont get so triggered

>>82557839
This.

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>>82558443
>>82560022
Pretty sure the Isildur thing is only in the movie.

>>82558378
Hobbits are actually well-known for their stealth. It's mentioned in The Hobbit, and it's precisely why Gandalf brings Bilbo in as a Burglar.

>>82558519
I'm going to need a citation from the books.

>>82558458
>strength beyond immortality
What does this even mean? You sure it's not just magical power?

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>>82562434
>>82562564
That's idiotic. Tolkien himself said it's not really about anything, he just wrote a story.

Though there is a good bit of war there.

Honestly, if anything it's about how you don't need a direct, forceful approach to win. But again... it's not about anything.

>>82558014
I heard raimi was working at a production designer at that point

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I always thought the rings power changed for each race. Like what more would a hobbit want than to be left alone and unseen. And perhaps that's the darker aspect of hobbit nature, wanting to sneak around and steal food like the little hillbillies they are.

>>82562252
The ghosts in the book can't actually kill things. They just inspire fear. Aragorns rangers and southern gondorians killed the corsair fleet.
The ring buffing shit is completely false, it just controls the other rings and makes sauron immortal

>>82565791
Sauron's badass army is afraid of ghosts?

>>82565850
Everyone is afarid of ghosts, and dont bullshit that you're not

>>82559314
Tolkien vehemently denied any allegory whatsoever in LotR and I believe him.

>>82561301
wew lad, good post

>>82566071
He denied alegory to WW II specifically, not all of it

>>82565850
In the book the army of the dead essentially spread an aura of fear. Aragorn and the other rangers didn't really even have to fight the Corsairs to take the ships. Most of them simply ran away deathly afraid.

>>82566071
>>82566118
Also he denied deliberately making Lord of the Rings = WWII

That doesn't mean he wasn't at least somewhat influenced or inspired by it, it just means he didn't consciously set out from the very beginning to make it a 1:1 allegory to World War 2

>>82566118
>I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.

He denied all allegory. It's just that at the time of release, WWII would have been the most obvious one.

>>82558152
Sauron and Tom aren't the same at all. Sauron, Gandalf, and Saruman etc are Maia, but Tom Bombadil, most likely, is not.

The ring only turns you invisible if you're a fuccboi

>>82558443
Elfs are not half spirits. Gandalf isn't half, but full. Galadriel is half, iirc.

>>82565715
Nah because Isildur turns invisible when he wears it. The ring takes creatures that can't master it into the wraith world and slowly corrupts them to turn them into wraiths and servants of Sauron, becoming invisible is just a side effect of that.

>>82562584
this

>>82565308
From before Frodo leaves the Shire:
>A mortal, Frodo, who keeps one of the Great Rings, does not die, but he does not grow or obtain more life, he merely continues, until at last every minute is a weariness. And if he often uses the Ring to make himself invisible, he fades: he becomes in the end invisible permanently, and walks in the twilight under the eye of the dark power that rules the Rings. Yes, sooner or later — later, if he is strong or well-meaning to begin with, but neither strength nor good purpose will last — sooner or later the dark power will devour him.'

>>82562371
Is it literal in the movies? I always imagined it was just Sauron sitting in the tower projecting his eye with magic - he wasn't literally the eye itself.

>>82566621
When he "dies" in rotk, the eye writhes in pain and shit

>>82561301

Increase the taxes because of unstoppable government regulation

>>82563990
^This

in the book he's inside the tower making plans isn't he?
smeagol says he has 9 fingers

>>82557294
because Mordor is really hell

>>82562434

It's about how manlets are still human

>>82566621
>>82566718
Yeah in the movies, Sauron is represented by a giant eye at the top of Barad-dur that looks like a giant lighthouse. I understand why they did it for the purposes of the film though.

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>>82566718
Well Jackson originally filmed a fight scene between Aragorn and Sauron so the eye writhing could've just been a way to convey visually how Sauron was feeling, since otherwise we'd never get any sense of that since the scene was scrapped.

>>82565850
I don't know about orcs, but the people in the ships were just humans, the corsairs from Umbar. Of course they would be scared of an army of spoopy skellingtal ghosts.

>>82566947
does he fight it in the book?

>>82559976
WHAT A GAFFE...

>>82566947
fucking hackson

>>82558783
The ring brings you to the world of spirits and shadows or something like that. You basically become a Nazgul, that's why they can still see you with the ring.

>>82561339

We see isuldir use it to turn himself invisible so obviously he's full of shit.

>>82566071
He also said that lotr is a mythology for England, since it didn't have one of its own like other countries

>>82566173
> Sauron and Tom aren't the same at all.

You don't know that.
Tom could be anything from Eru himself to a Maia or just a fucking lunatic so crazy, the ring can't corrupt him.
Tolkien gave us nothing to work with here to speak of, just that Tom is as old as it gets.
And that's ok, not everything has to be overanalized by autistic fanboys.

>>82566621
Yes, I think it works visually aside from the tower collapse. In the book sauron Sigil on his orcs is a red eye

>>82567055
God no

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>>82558193
>ywn be 6'8
>tfw could have been an easy 6'3 if I had average sized legs

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