what... the... fuck.... did this really happen!?!? I hate

No that didn't happen, the real bomb didn't have a chute

porl horbor

>>82420332
>Thousands of men, women and children interned at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often without anesthesia and usually ending with the death of the victim.[20] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.[21] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[22]
>Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss. Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body. Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen, then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting.
>Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the oesophagus reattached to the intestines. Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc., were removed from some prisoners.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Vivisection

They deserved it.

>>82420332
This is pretty neat. What's it from?

>usa
>white

kek

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>>82420332
>bomb falls in the river

What did they mean by that?

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>>82420538
>The US govt got all the scientists involved in this to get off scott-free because they gave the US the results of the research

>>82420332
americans are not white

Couldn't the yanks have dropped the bombs on military bases or in a Battlefield?

Why was it on innocent people and why was that acceptable and still seen as ok today?

>>82420599
nukes explode midair dumb nigger

>>82420332
this is really fucking cool, what is it?

nanking massacre anime when

>>82420332
Jews invented the atom bomb

>>82420615
Whatever you say Hakim.

>>82420636
but it didn't

>>82420637
How can you not know Barefoot Gen?

>>82420641
Never, because the Japanese aren't infected with leftist guilt like Americans are.

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>>82420332

>mfw America is the greatest country on the face of earth

>>82420635
>I don't know how total war works
Seriously nigger open a history book sometime.

>>82420684
Prove it.

>>82420538
None of doctors died from nuclear bomb, 10/10 revenge.

>>82420553
Barefoot Gen.

>>82420332
Poor doggo

>>82420332
CANADAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Compared to what Japs did in Nanking, that's mercy.

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>>82420538
>wiping out cities full of innocent civilians was ok because their military torture and experiment on our soldiers

god bless the usa

>>82420332
they started it

>Japanese killed 20M Chinese during WWII
>committed terrible experiments on live subjects
>Battle of Okinawa had more casualties than both bombs combined

>dropping the bombs is the worst thing ever -- worse than Hitler, even!

>>82420332
>woman's brain is vaporized but she has the cognitive ability to jump onto her child

>two bombs single-handedly won the war and forever changed the way nations handle warfare

>>82420829
that's the power of love!

>>82420635
>why was that acceptable and still seen as ok today?
Because they won

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>>82420538
>3000 deaths

>>82420362
2402 deaths

Hiroshima + Nagasaki = 129.000–246.000 deaths


USA USA

can someone crop it/focus it on the baby like that gif with the old guy on the crowd having a drink?

>>82420332
literally stood up and clapped as soon as this webm finished, goddamn, we should've dropped another bomb

>>82420635
To show the world the power of the new weapon. The American bombing campaign was killing more civilians with conventional bombing than the nukes killed already.
Still wiping out two entire cities so quickly would impress the world and especially deter Stalin from any silly ideas post-war.

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>giving a bomb a parachute

yea that makes sense

seriously though what we did was fucked up

Is US the most powerful country in the world because we're the only country to ever actually use a nuke on people?

It's really insanity that we double nuked Japan and now they're our ally.

Literally slaughtered tens of thousands of people in a single instant and now it's just a blip in our history books. Maybe in Japan it's still much more of a big deal?

>>82420641
Nanking what? Never happen.

>>82420332
you mean jews?

>>82420857
deserved it.

also the us military dropped leaflets to try to get the cities evacuated but MUH HONORABU dictated they stay to get vaped

>>82420925
it slows down the bomb so pilots have time to escape the blast zone before the impact, you silly goose

>>82420857
>>>82420538
> >3000 deaths
> >>82420362
> 2402 deaths
> Hiroshima + Nagasaki = 129.000–246.000 deaths

that's what happens when you poke the bear anon

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>>82420538
Dually noted that suduko is 100x better than being taken alive

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>>82420925
you're retarded

>>82420641
Ahahahaha imagine the Japanese reaction

>>82420947
Japan is so degenerate because they basically had to restart their society after this.

It's why they are into tentacle porn and little anime girls.

>>82421022
How did they take that picture? Wouldn't the camera be completely obliterated?

>>82420851
Why wasn't the babby saved then like Harry Potter?

>>82420538
and magically the bodies disappeared

>>82420608
Everyone involved in that clemency deal should have been executed.

>>82420947

your putting too much value on human life. everyone who was alive in Japan in 1945 is now dead anyway, nuked or not.

death comes to us all, dying in an instant in a nuclear attack is actually about as easy as it gets. we did them a favor.

>>82420685
everyone learns about everything somewhere

>>82420947
>Maybe in Japan it's still much more of a big deal?
it's the meaning behind Godzilla

>>82421022

those are deployable conical wings not parachutes retard

>>82420857
And then count in all the allied deaths from the island hopping campaigns, and then multiply then exponentially theorizing how many would have died trying to invade mainland Japan.

>>82421086
>everyone who was alive in Japan in 1945 is now dead anyway
Nigga u high or somethin'?

>>82421086

A nuclear strike is like the most feared thing in the entire world though. The cliche "end of the world" scenario involves Nukes 9/10 times. The fact that we've actually used them on Japan and killed so many people with them just seems like it should be a bigger deal in our everyday lives than it is.

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>>82420947
Japan is a cuck country. Literally nuked into loving their masters.

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>War of 1812
>Barbary War
>Spanish-American War
>Civil War
>WWI
>WWII
America declared/joined all these wars for the same reason

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>>82420332
You wanna know the best part of the whole thing? Japan offered to surrender just days before the first a-bomb was dropped.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

>This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:

>Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
>Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
>Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
>Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
>Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
>Surrender of designated war criminals.

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>>82420332
I don't know why but watching explosions gets me hard every time.

>>82420947
>Is US the most powerful country in the world because we're the only country to ever actually use a nuke on people?

US is the most powerful country in the world because their currency is kept in absurd amounts in every country's treasury vault. If the world collectively said "fuck these people" and walked way from trading with the US they'd die overnight.

>>82421169
>cuck country
And yet they're not getting flooded by third worlders unlike every other developed nation.

>>82420332
Where is the anime of the Nanking massacre?

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>>82421192
americucks had to send a message to muh soviets.

>>82420925
A) What >>82420978 said

B) Some bombs benefit from being able to land precisely and on their nose, which the parachute allows.

>>82421157
>just seems like it should be a bigger deal in our everyday lives than it is.

Why? Because that's what you "feel?" It was over 72 years ago. Japan was a powerhouse economy for most of the 20th century. They turned their iconic nuke symbol, Godzilla, and turned it into a fucker in a rubber suit fighting other monsters. They don't give a fuck, what are you making this a big deal for?

Jesus fuck these threads where people try to debate last days of WWII, as if scholars haven't written articles on this shit for the past fucking 60 years. None of you are turning up any new ground.

Is 100 thousand near instant deaths really worse than another 2-5 year war of attrition, slowly starving the population as Japan is burned to the ground before a surrender?

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>>82420332
>America
>white

>>82420332
>I hate white people now >:[

>Americans
>White

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>>82421192
5 years after the Civil War ended an automatic cotton picker was invented that made slaves redundant

>>82421195
IT'S WHY I'M EASY

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHH

EASY AS SUNDAY MORNING

>>82421192
>surrendering to whitu piggus

Honourless cowards.

>>82420848
>singlehandedly
It's not like their entire navy and airforce were oblitared by the US beforehand and the soviets kicking them out of china and korea in a matter of weeks.
Atom bombs or not the japs would have surendered anyways. A combined soviet invasion from the north and US invasion from the east/south were enough of a threat to surender. The bombs were just a last giant fuck you

I was too young to be alive back then, so its obviously didn't happen

>>82420332
and decades later Japan conquered the minds of their enemies as to reach a point where the young generations worship Japan more than their own country

>>82421192
How did Japan get to be it's own country to this day after this? How is Japan not Japamerica right now?

t.history ignorant anon

>>82421192
Why have I never head about this before?

Also, assuming it's not fictitious, of course the Americans would want to test their ultimate weapon at least once.

>test in in a real combat environment to see how good it actually is
>also gives you the cred of being the only country in the world ever to have deployed nuclear weapons in war

itt nips dindu nuffin

>>82420332
Why?

Did you understand Japanese culture of the time? They couldn't ever surrender because they'd have to commit dishonorable seppuku.

There was no other recourse that didn't cost hundreds of more thousands of more lives. A single conventional bombing prior killed more people in the firestorms that followed than both nukes combined.

Quit acting all up in arms we sued for them to surrender plenty of times long after they'd lost the war and prior to the bombings.

>>82421264
but would you say the same about the jew kikes and their holocaust bullshit propaganda?

>>82421367
>How is Japan not Japamerica right now?

It is in all but name. Same with Germany. They both because American satellite states.

>>82420635
>Couldn't the yanks have dropped the bombs on military bases or in a Battlefield?
There were no significant active 'battlefields' between the US & Japan at the time the atomic bombs were ready. They had troops active in China & Korea but those were sideshows. The US had island hopped all the way to the main Japanese islands and the next step was going to be a massive amphibious invasion of the mainland on a scale greater than D-Day.

In the run up to the Atomic Bombs, the American armed forces had just braved the hell of Okinawa and witnessed thousands of Japanese citizens throw themselves off a cliff rather than surrender to the US. It was cases like this that also colored the choices of the decision makers.

A committee within the Manhattan project discussed the utility of dropping a bomb offshore or somewhere scarcely populated as a display as power, but it was quickly shelved for reasons that it would ultimately probably be useless.

In any case both Hiroshima & Nagasaki had important strategic value and were not just chosen to try and kill the most amount of people possible.

>>82421264

You're getting inexplicably upset over this. My point was simply:
>dropping two nukes was one of the most important happenings in the literal history of human existence
>seems like that should be a bigger deal, even over half a century later

That's simply my opinion. You need to calm your autism.

>>82421375
>Why have I never head about this before?

who's history books did you read?

>>82420332
Read about what the Japs did in Nanking and what they did to POWs.

Nips had it coming, Truman did nothing wrong.

>>82420635
>America stops total war campaign after WW2
>loses Vietnam
>Afghanistan in a stalemate
>Iraq is a pyrrhic victory

Really makes you think.

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>>82421375
Go watch "The Untold History of the United States" It's on Netflix. It does a deep dive into the end of WW2 and why the US decided to use the bomb. The short version is that it would literally be the last time any nation could hope to use an atomic weapon without MAD taking effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untold_History_of_the_United_States

>>82421427
>>82421367
You know how, in Civ you don't get any warmonger points if you give captured cities back after a war is over? Kind of the same thing IRL. We had an image to keep and the only way to keep it was by turning these countries into industrial powerhouses, exporting largely to the US.

>>82421462
>Hundreds of thousands of innocent people deserved to die because of what some cunt military did

Epic

>>82421403
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Who's talking about the jews? We're talking about Japan.

>>82421439
Damn right because these WWII threads are cropping up more and more lately and they'd be fucking over in a SECOND if any of you fucks bothered to research the myriad of articles already on these subjects. But naaah you all want attention from each other because you're a bunch of fucking kids.

>seems like that should be a bigger deal, even over half a century later

Yeah I read your point, and it was just as stupid then as it is now. I'll even copy/paste my response to highlight your stupidity.

>Why? Because that's what you "feel?" It was over 72 years ago. Japan was a powerhouse economy for most of the 20th century. They turned their iconic nuke symbol, Godzilla, and turned it into a fucker in a rubber suit fighting other monsters. They don't give a fuck, what are you making this a big deal for?

>>82421086
>dying in an instant in a nuclear attack is actually about as easy as it gets
yeah except there were tons of people who didn't die instantly and spent the remainder of their life in hellish agony as their skin/eyes melted

>>82420538
>anime
2 wasn't enough

>>82421195
Woah, I wonder what Hard looked like!

>the plane that dropped the bomb was called something gay

Lmao America with the bantz

>>82420332
>the part where the dog goes berserk and attacks the hand rail.
gets me every time

>>82421192
>This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms

Except they weren't. Because these secret negotiations were done behind the back of the military factions on the Japanese High Council and no decisions could be made without their unanimous consent.

The same faction that literally attempted a coup on the day of the proposed real surrender to keep it from happening.

>>82421595
Ebola Gay. Top bantz desu.

>>82421367
We helped nations back onto their feet instead of enslaving them. Its smarter to turn your enemy into your ally than keep him down like a dog. You are just asking for more trouble later.

>>82421547
>Youre not allowed to think nuking cities is a big deal because Japan made some monster movies

Really makes me think

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>>82421576

>>82420857
Let's take up a body count of how many the Japanese murdered, raped, tortured and experimented on.

>Japan pre-nuke
>It is the way of the Japanese people to follow the code of Bushido. Any citizen of the Imperial Nation of Japan is to be prepared to lay down their lives for the Emporer.

>Japan post-nuke
>please sempai may I buy more used panties my daughter spent too much money bleaching her skin and dying her hair blonde this month ans my son hasnt left the house for three weeks uguu~~~~

Has any nation besides Islamic Britain been so thoroughly cucked?

>>82420787
WWII was 90% indiscriminate bombings.

Killions

>>82421654
Big(ger) deal vs big deal. Of course it was a big deal. But your weird little "feelings" of making this bigger than it should on behalf of the Japanese is just weird and counter-productive, man. If you REAAAAAAAAAAALLY gave as much of a fuck as you project, you'd write your own article and submit it to a paper or magazine. But we both know you're not going to do that.

>>82421667
Impossible because even today the nips deny they did anything wrong.

>>82421192
Yeah the bombs were dropped to deter Russia from starting anything. The cold war had begun before the second world war had even ended. The atomic bombs really stopped a war with Russia, they weren't used to stop Japan fighting to the death.

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>>82420332

>>82421182
>America joined the American Civil War
Really gets the old noggin joggin

>>82421791
And they say global warming is a lie...

>>82421244
Yeah. Vietnam really won.
Instead of being another prosperous American ally like Japan and South Korea. They got to be the shithole farming country they are now!
Oh. And we still got to sell Coke and McDonalds there anyway.

>>82421761
Why not both? We would have had to kill almost all of Japan. We expected a million casualties.

>>82421802
>declared/joined
Really gets the reading comprehension running

Why do people pretend that japan was all innocent in ww2. They did much worse things then the nazis.

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wtf i hate jews now

>>82420782
>this is what people who post anime shit on 4chan look like

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>>82420332
Don't make us do it a third time.

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>>82421855
Time for you to move to Canada

>>82421428
>the next step was going to be a massive amphibious invasion of the mainland on a scale greater than D-Day
I've never heard this before. What would the ramifications have been if the US decided to go with a conventional assault?

>>82421047
no because the camera is in the sky next to the airplane. it's 2 planes flying next to each other you goof

>>82420332
Yes, glorious America wiped the fuck out of that cartoon land in the Capeshit Wars of 1876.

What did /TV/ think of the MOAB?

It killed only like 50 towel heads.

>>82421547
just answer the question instead of flipping your shit like a rabid monkey

>>82422009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

>>82420685
because we aren't all weebs.

>>82420332
What this has taught me is that eyeballs are impervious to radiative energy.

>>82420538
Only a single lifetime ago, fukking apes.

>>82421428
>and the next step was going to be a massive amphibious invasion of the mainland on a scale greater than D-Day.
kek, this is what Amerifatskis actually believe.

>>82422061
Well hold on, which jewish propaganda practices?

>>82421956
>implying truduea isnt a jewish puppet too

the only ones who are truly free are the muzzies

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>>82422043
>/TV/

>>82420332

is there anything in film like this?

>>82421715
The Atomic Bombs were distinctly discriminate, they made the choice to attack civilian-heavy cities.

Anyone who says the use of the atomic bombs against Japan was unethical instead of arguing against strategic bombing in general is an idiot.

>>82420332
why did it need a parachute?

>>82421086
>everyone who was alive in Japan in 1945 is now dead anyway

Am I being baited?

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>>82421086

yeah no biggie man

>>82420538
That's ghoulish but now I want to see a movie about it

>>82421192
>The Journal of Historical Review
>The journal was founded by the neo-Nazi Willis Carto.[1] Its subject is primarily Holocaust denial

>>82420332
It was done because if not there would have been a long drawn out war with Japan where many more would have died. Japan didn't even surrender after the first bomb, imagine how long it would have taken to actually make them surrender by means of conventional war.

>>82422166
those cities that were also home to high value military targets and infrastructure.

>>82422550
So was NYC

>>82421140

Yeah.. let's just nuke hundres of thousands of civilians to end the war ;) Great strat! GG!

Not even Hitler would have done that shit. They only did it to test out their new big boy weapon.

>>82421547
You pretentious idiot. Read a book nigger.

>>82422630
>Not even Hitler would have done that shit
Do you live in an alternate reality where the Nazis never bombed civilians?

>>82422682

Yeah bombed, not NUKED. Only USA would have done such a thing.

>>82422630
>Great strat!
>Japan surrendered, almost unconditionally
>the rest of the world is forever shitting their pants in fear of nukes
It seems like it worked pretty great.

japs deserve it for the atrocity that is known as moe

>>82422701

At the cost of Hundreds of thousands innocent lives. No single man or men should have the power to end hundreds of thousands of lives in just minutes.

>>82422738
People die in war, sometimes even innocents.

>>82422700
The nukes dropped on the Japs were little babby tier bombs just so you know. Carpet bombing the cities would have done way more damage.

But that's irrelevant, I don't give a fuck and you're not going to make me feel bad about it. Stay mad, Jap.

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>>82420332
Nips were asking for it, it was the responsible thing to do and might've saved lives in the end (as many or more died in regular bombing raids over Tokyo)

t. not even Amerifat

>>82422738
then you don't understand the level of fanaticism that japanese people have.

>>82422099
Is this not true? I mean the Japanese were refusing to surrender even when it was clear that the war was lost after Berlin fell and the Nazis surrendered. If the US conducted a conventional invasion of japan, much more people would have died than those killed in the atomic bombs.

Also remember the fact that the US had to drop TWO bombs. The fucking japs still refused to surrender after the first one was dropped. Blame their stupid honor and seppuku culture

>>82422768

Yes but you do NOT target innocents puropsely. That is a war crime.

>>82422778

Carpet bombing would not have killed 100s of thousands and killed people from radiation damage generations ahead. FUCK THE USA.

>>82422700
I don't think it's a leap to surmise that Hitler would have utilized the atomic bombs on London if the nazis had access to them. They were already firing V2 missiles as fast as they could be churned out at London, I see little reason why he, if his country had spent years and billions of reichmarks developing a grand new weapon whose capability to turn the tide of the war were promising, would shelve the idea because he suddenly developed scruples about civilian deaths in a war where millions had already perished.

>>82422851

no he wouldn't.

Oh look, it's another thread full of Americans explaining why it's okay to nuke countries to end wars that they don't like. Give me a quick rundown, why shouldn't US nuke Syria, China nuke NK and Russia nuke Saudis? Oh that's right, because it would eventually destroy human race. Hmmm really makes me think

>>82422816
>Carpet bombing would not have killed 100s of thousands
Wrong.

>and killed people from radiation damage generations ahead.
>generations
U fookin w0t m8? Stop shitposting. And no I still dont feel bad. Why are you so focused on this? What about the innocents killed in mainland Europe from carpet bombings? Why aren't you upset at Dresden or the innocents bombed in the UK? Why the Japs?

>>82422816
Well the japs didnt value the live of their citizens at all. At that time the war was over and any sensible non-suicide fetish culture would have surrendered.

The fucking nips didnt even surrender after the first nuke. We needed to drop another fucking one before they decided to surrender.

>>82422898
That's a neat opinion, it would be neater if you had any evidence to support it.

>>82420553
>>82420752

for a second I thought it was from that grave of the fireflies movie. still have to finish that one.

>>82422420
You're in luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Behind_the_Sun

>>82421645
Lmao it was named after the pilots mother

>>82420357
THIS, AND MUH INNOCENT NIPS IS SHIT

GO ASK MANCHURIA HOW NICE THE NIPS WERE, NOT THAT CHINA DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CULLED, BUT AT LEAST DO IT WITH NUKES OR SOMETHING DONT TORTURE EM ONE BY ONE WITH BAYONETS AND SAMURAI SWORDS

>>82422705
/a/ IS WAR CRIME

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>>82422800
American fat pigs would have never had the ressources nor the merit to start an invasion of Japan of such a scale.
the Japs would have given Amerifatskis a worse nightmare than Vietnam. American fat pigs pissed their pants while fighting against a bunch of rock hiding goat fuckers in Afghanistan.
Fact is American fat piggies can only fight third world rice farmers (and they still lost)
That's why they have to rely on proxy wars so much. Those fat slobs can't even fight their own.

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>>82420991
Says the big man behind a computer screen, in a home most likely paid for by someone else.

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>>82420332
>get nuked
>become THE world economic superpower till 1991
>BTFO out of everyone in the automobile and electronic industry
Yeah, I bet they're glad the. Mobs got dropped

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>>82422139
Uhh...

>>82423032
How does one gets so irrelevant and mad?

>>82420332
Saved video as "Fried Rice".

>>82422936
>exterminating sand niggers, chinks and even worse chinks would destroy the human race
More like save it.

>>82421086
The people who never witness tragedy are always the first to downplay it. Grow up son.

>>82423075
We could have had Gundam mecha wars on Venus and Mars by now, if it weren't for American lardasses dropping nukes on Japan.

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>Its a /tv/ Gives a History Lesson episode

>>82423118
Don't know, ask Murrikah.

>>82423172
Anime and mecha only happened becaue without an army and people to kill and invade they had to do other shit with their free time

Also
>gundam
>not zoids
Stay pleb

>>82423209
stop rationalizing your inhumanity you fat American pig.

>it's a truman masturbates to that gif episode

>>82420538
What's more disgusting is that most of them never faced charges for it. The US just let them off with it while they kept talking about how awful the Nazi doctors and scientists were.

>>82423270
You're not even Japanese you fucking weeb cockroach

>>82423159
No, but normalising the use of nukes will destroy the human race. Just like burgers are normalising the use of nukes by not condeming Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Next time China uses a nuke, they'll also go for the excuse of "B-B-BUT WE SAVED LIVES, WE WOULD'VE INVADED AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS". Hell, it'll probably also be in Japan. Would be pretty hard to condemn China for doing something US has done.

>>82420991
The bear is Russia you fool. Japan broke a bunch of eagle eggs and pissed it off. It was Germany poked the bear when they didn't have to.

>>82420970
>us military dropped leaflets to try to get the cities evacuated
>being this brainwashed
hahaha *deep breath* hahaha

>>82420332

>I hate white people now

Japanese were honorary aryans - Therefore whiter than the American mongrels who dropped the bomb.

So the webm should please and arouse you.

ITT: buttmad weebs who are crying about their anime country getting bombed over 60 years after people stopped caring

They're grateful they didn't get fucked as hard as Germany is right now

>>82421752
Because they didn't.
:^)

>>82420857
The only other option was invasion which would have lasted 6 months longer, would have killed more Japanes and America soldiers and would have lead to Russia invading from the north and more than likely split the nation in two like Korea and Germany. The bombs actually saved lives and kept Japan united as the only occupying force was American who wanted to make them a pro-democracy, pro-capitalist culture.

>>82420970
>also the us military dropped leaflets to try to get the cities evacuated but MUH HONORABU dictated they stay to get vaped
When China invades Japan and nukes the fuck out of it in the year 2024, they'll also say they did everything to evacuate the people.

This is the edgiest thread I've seen in a while

>>82420635

They did drop them on a military base and battlefield. Japs probably shouldn't build military bases around civilians.

>Innocent people

They weren't innocent. They were Japanese. WW2 was a total war. Japan and Germany were the aggressors. Both nations acknowledged that they were willing to engage in total war under the presumption they would escape punishment if they won.

They lost so that's how it goes.

>>82423467
The problem isn't that it was nuked, the problem is that UN has not condemned the use of nukes in a city and US has not apologised. Because MUH FREEDOM MUH LIBERTY MUH WORLD POLICE. So when the next nuke is used, what are you gonna do? How are you going to condenm that country for doing something you have done yourself? US should apologize, it's not hard to do, but it'll set the precedent.

>>82423360
I still sympathise with human beings that were victims of barbarism and crime of humanity. Something that can't be said about fat American pigs that condemn the holocaust while at the same time executed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians because the fat pigs knew they could not win the war in any other way.

>>82421022
That's smoke from the torpedoes, not chutes you fucking IDIOT.

>>82423580
>They weren't innocent. They were Japanese. WW2 was a total war
Would you be shocked to learn that war crimes are a thing that exists? Just stop. US commited the worst war crime in history of mankind. The fact that most Americans deny it just tells everyone how brainwashed Americans are.

>>82423486
Nah, Russia already had Manchuria, they would have invaded before America could get a ground force there. What we gained was not letting russia have japan and that paid off.

>>82422009

A lot of dead Americans. Hence the bomb.

Like that anon said, they thought about flashing a bit of the sun at them as a warning. But they realized that probably wouldn't deter the Japanese. Even after the first atom bomb, the Japanese were reluctant to surrender. The second one, plus the acceptance that they were completely defeated, is what drove it home.

Removing the atom bomb wouldn't have prevented anymore Japanese civilian deaths, since the U.S. would have just used firebombing to soften the cities for the invasion. Plus it would have prolonged the war to a point where Russia would have tried to get in the mix, creating more drama and death.

>>82420332
wtf i hate america now

>>82423489
JAPAN IS OUR BITCH, WE NUKED THEM INTO PLAYING BASEBAROO AND CELEBRATING KORISMASSU, THEIR FOREIGN POLICY IS IN LOCKSTEP WITH USA

WE NUKE CHINA IF CHINA INVADES JAPAN, BUT ITS GONNA BE ABOUT TAIWAN FIRST

>>82421823
>losing to LITERAL ricefarmers
America wars like *THAT* ?!

>>82422009

A lot of dead Americans. Hence the bomb.

Like that anon said, they thought about flashing a bit of the sun at them as a warning. But they realized that probably wouldn't deter the Japanese. Even after the first atom bomb, the Japanese were reluctant to surrender. The second one, plus the acceptance that they were completely defeated, is what drove it home.

Removing the atom bomb wouldn't have prevented anymore Japanese civilian deaths, since the U.S. would have just used firebombing to soften the cities for the invasion. Plus it would have prolonged the war to a point where Russia would have tried to get in the mix, creating more drama and death.

The Japanese have no one to blame but themselves. Hence why so many of them (last poll puts it at about 50/50) are dead set against the re-armament that Shinzo "wtf I love fascism now" Abe is pushing for.

>>82423612
>I still sympathise with human beings that were victims of barbarism and crime of humanity.
so what about all the Chinese japan raped as used as comfort girls or the people they experimented on, or do you deny that shit

ANSWER THIS AMERICANS:
>many years in the future
>Chinese engineers invent new weapon that can shoot down missiles with 100% accuracy
>China imposes sanctions on the US, effectively prevents importation of some vital commodity
>US declares war
>China decides that invading the US mainland would be too costly and nukes New York and Los Angeles instead
Would that be justified in your opinion?

>>82422800
Japan wasn't ready to surrender unconditionally. They were worried about the requirements the US would impose on them. Japan was courting the Russians for a more favorable deal, but then they declared war on them as well. It was the Russians sweeping in from Asia that ultimately forced the surrender, not the bombs.

>>82423612
>knew they could not win the war in any other way
>I'm totally not a weeb though
The United States had already won the war, it was just a matter of time.
The US decided to end it fast with the minimum amount of bloodshed in the moment and in the future.

>>82422568

NYC wasn't actually. Nor London.

The Japanese did plan to attack California though. Just couldn't reach it. Likewise the Japanese didn't attack Sydney or Melbourne themselves (just the surrounding waters) but bombed Darwin because that was where the boat building was taking place.

The only REALLY questionable bombing of the war was the British attack on Dresden.

I mean on the allies side. Obviously the Germans bombed the fuck out of the Soviets pretty indiscriminately and tried to do the same to London but Goring was a fat drug addict who couldn't find it.

>>82423738
CHINK ENGINEERS DONT INVENT SHIT THEY JUST STEAL FROM US, OUR MILITARY TECHNOLOGY IS WAY AHEAD OF THEIRS

>>82423738
>nukes New York and LA
We thank them?

>>82421791

now that's what I call a hot second

>>82423738
Sounds wonderful. Nuke Atlanta etc. too.

>>82423777
>>82423779
>>82423784
Way to ignore the point assholes. Insert whatever two cities you think are valuable in place of New York and Los Angeles.

>>82423652
No the worst would be the Nazis killing 6 million people in death camps.

Again the bombs were the better option than a dragged out full invasion of Japan which would have killed more civilians as they were pretty much prepared to die than accept defeat. When they were taking the small islands, soldiers reported the civilians throwing themselves off the cliffs into the ocean rather than be captured. Women with children in their arms leaping to their deaths because of honor. Beaches were littered with the corpses of the drowned people. Honor to the Japanese is like MUH JESUS to Americans.

>>82423784
And Detroit desu

>>82423489

>China invades Japan
>Japan has more US soldiers in it than non-virgins
>China uses Nuclear weapons on US soldiers!
>USA Glasses China
>Yes, every city across 9m sq miles of it all of it

You fucking stupid cunt

>>82423738
>hypothetical situations that will never happen
kek
it'd be like asking you for parenting advice

>>82420332
BTFO

>>82423777
The chinese will do it cheaper, build a hundred times as many but occasionally they'll explode or spontaneously attack their own people.

>>82423821
>death camps were real
Good goy.

>>82423831
It's meant to show how retarded the "it would have cost more lives" argument is. But you knew that.

>"Don't start no shit, won't be no shit"

>>82420538
so they were into gore, got nuked and made a movie about themselves being killed with lots of gore

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>>82423738
>boohoo Americans embargoed Japan, how are they supposed to continue their genocidal rampage through Asia without oil?

>>82420332
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

>>82423738

Perhaps.

It's irrelevant since the U.S. never blockaded Japan.

Japan referred to the U.S. not selling them supplies as "blockading" because they needed a justification (so they thought - Hitler disagreed) to take out the U.S. naval force and prevent them from intervening when they launched a war of aggression on South East Asia.

Lets make your greentext more honest.

>many years in the future
>China is minding it's own business
>US wants to invade and rape and pillage Japan, Korea, Australia, Indonesia, New Zealand and anywhere else in between
>They don't have enough "Magic Widgets"
>China doesn't want to sell them "Magic Widgets" because they're fucking barbarians and lunatics
>The U.S. then bombs the shit out of China, declares war on China and then proceeds to kill thousands of Chinese soldiers
>China says "Enough already" and nukes New York and L.A.

Yes. That would be justified in my opinion.

>>82423821
But finishing the holocaust would also have saved many lives in the future.

>>82423652

>Worst war crime in history of mankind

I'm not American. Nanking or half of the actions of the Germans in the East were worse war crimes.

>>82420538
NUKE THE GOOK! NUKE THE GOOK! NUKE THE GOOK!

>>82423652
>dropping 2 big bombs is worse than dropping thousands of small bombs

why?

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>>82420728
Airburst detonations of nuclear weapons invariably increase the distance of the effects in question.When a nuclear weapon detonates, it releases its energy in all directions in the form of a three dimensional sphere.

The air burst is usually 100 to 1,000 m (330 to 3,280 ft) above the hypocenter to allow the shockwave of the fission or fusion driven explosion to bounce off the ground and back into itself, creating a shockwave that is more forceful than one from a detonation at ground level. This "mach stem" only occurs near ground level, and is similar in shape to the letter Y when viewed from the side. Airbursting also minimizes fallout by keeping the fireball from touching the ground, limiting the amount of debris that is vaporized and drawn up in the radioactive debris cloud. For the Hiroshima bomb, an air burst 550 to 610 m (1,800 to 2,000 ft) above the ground was chosen "to achieve maximum blast effects, and to minimize residual radiation on the ground as it was hoped U.S. troops would soon occupy the city".

>>82423869
Is this just an obligatory shitpost now?

>>82423652
there was no way to avoid completely destroying them cause the army was forcing civilians to work in factories for the war effort. They were slave conscripts, but they weren't civilians anymore. 2 nukes weren't enough.

>>82424001
we dropped thousands of small bombs too

>>82420332
>now

Firebombings did more damage than the nukes

>>82424035

Pretty much. It's almost the new "hello r.ddit!"

>death camps weren't real

If they were fake McCain would've been outed by now or fucked up at some point to blow the whole farce.

>>82423652
>US committed worst war crime

>rape of nangking
>nazi experiments
>ethnic cleansing by nazis

You're probably just some self hating American cuck buttmad about weebshit getting nuked

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Anyway, to keep this /tv/, there is a good documentary about this from the U.S. side.

Nice watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgA98V1Ubk8

>>82423880
But that argument isn't retarded.

>>82424035
It's funny how all the death camps were conveniently on the side tha would later be under USSR occupation, while none existed on the Allied side.
The Red Cross relief forces allowed into ALL the concentration camps didn't find any evidence of gas chambers or anything that could be used to kill large groups of people, in April of 1945.
But yeah, muh 6 gorillion.

>>82424029
>For the Hiroshima bomb, an air burst 550 to 610 m (1,800 to 2,000 ft) above the ground was chosen "to achieve maximum blast effects, and to minimize residual radiation on the ground as it was hoped U.S. troops would soon occupy the city".

That last part shows how little they actually research this shit before using it.

>>82420925
>pour gorillions of dollars and man hours into developing sophisticated bomb
>doesn't even want to take care of it enough to put a parachute on it so it lands safe and sound
The worst person, anon.

>>82424138
Whether it was death camps or the einsatzgruppen the nazis killed millions and millions of people through genocide. The number is right, how they died might not be but thats not the most important part.

>muh death camps
I wish this board had flags so I could how many of you are asshurt koreans

>>82420820
WWII was the worst thing ever.

>>82420332
what did you expect from a country that embraces cuckoldry and is literally niggerland

the united states is a joke and everyone there should fucking kill themselves

>>82424138

To be fair, Hitler always made it pretty clear that the Eastern side was occupied by sub-humans who would be shown no mercy hence lebensraum would be eastward, not westward.

USA master of Brainwashing, extermination and genocide. Stop trying to justify your war crimes assholes. Your country fucked up, just admit it.

>>82424223

I'm more inclined to think the method is right and the numbers are exaggerated.

It is a moot point though.

>Um, no sweetie, it was actually 2 million not 6 million

>Yeah, no sweetie. They were enslaved and starved to death, not gassed.

Well gee, I guess that makes it all better.

>>82420687

This is what the right-wing tumblr-noveau actually believe

>>82424286

>fucked up

Pretty sure they won.

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Curtis LeMay did absolutely nothing wrong.

>>82424319

It is true though. The Japs aren't very apologetic.

>>82420652
sounds like they're pretty smart then
Roosevelt signed the order

>>82424340
he really hated japs.
It sometimes gets forgotten that the pacific war was characterized by intense racial animus in a way that was totally different than America's experience on the European front.

>>82424289
>Allied forces destroy Nazi support lines, knowing full well what would happen
>concentration camps are undersupplied
>the resulting starvation deaths were totally the nazis' fault, though

>>82424369

I mean about the part where recognizing the factual reality of things your country did is automatically liberal guilt.

>>82424369
Even in their history books, they act like WWII was something that was inflicted upon them and act like the victim.

>>82424424
>can't afford to feed prisoners
maybe you should like... let them go then

What are some good, terrifying nuke films? I've already seen Threads and When the Wind Blows.

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>>82424286
>USE DEVASTATION OF WW2 IN PRACTICALLY EVERY COUNTRY BUT AMERICA TO UTTERLY DOMINATE THE WORLD AND SET IN PLACE THE GLOBAL SYSTEM EVERYONE IS FORCED TO USE TO THIS DAY
>FUCKED UP

JUST ACCORDING TO PLAN
WW2 BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

>>82424424

That is not what happened you delusional retard. Strategic bombing had very minimal impact on infrastructure, and for this idea to be logically coherent, german municipalities would have to have starved due to lack of supply as well.

Not to mention the mountains of evidence and witnesses that the systematic starvation was intentional.

>>82424460

awesome

pray every day for nuclear fire

>>82420538
would ISIS be justified in making terror attacks on american citizens because the american military fucked up the middle east?

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>>82424528

>>82420332

It was actually even more devastating, with long lasting aftereffects.

:')

>>82424600
No because ISIS and other terrorist groups are also simultaneously ruining the Middle East as well.

>>82423738
>China decides that invading the US mainland would be too costly and nukes New York and Los Angeles instead
For your little dumb hypothetical to make sense China would also have to have invaded and held half the USA.

>>82424629

>there will never be a battlestar galactica remake except it takes place during our time and instead of cylons it's aliens or jews or chinese

>>82424289
Holocaust researcher here, with an internally published and peer-reviewed paper (master's thesis). It actually does come to just under (hilariously) 6 million if you count every single combatant in Europe who was Jewish. Camp numbers are extremely variant and depend on projections as much of the documentation is lost. Only about half a million German Jews died, and about two from Poland, former Polish controlled land, and from Einsatzgruppen raids of equally dubious credentials and body-counts. The "genocide" was in fact mostly due to food shortage and abandonment, gas was used (hur-dur muh Soviet smoke stacks) but it was never ordered for mass extermination, only to exterminate hose who were high risk or currently lousy.

>>82423738
>Chinese engineers invent
Damn, that's a good joke.

>>82420538
>Believing there are good and bad sides in a war
Welcome to the real world

>>82424843
You do realize how many basic things you use everyday were invented in China, right?

>>82424398
To be fair, the Imperial Jap military acted like a bunch of niggers.

>>82423032
The guy in that picture is a German airsoft player

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>>82424997
>invented in China
Whoa, another good one. You're a regular Andrew Dice Clay!

>>82420332
They deserved it.

>rape kill torture innocent men women and children throughout Asia
>get BTFO
>A-american p-piggu u war criminar!

kek

The Japanese wouldn't have stopped

They literally would have sacrificed the whole island before they gave up.

>>82424460
OH SHIT I'M FEELING IT

>>82424460
BTFO

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reading this book should be mandatory for this discussion desu

>>82424170
I'm so happy the american imperialism is already dying with no possibility of recovering.

>that feel when USA is going to become an even more disgusting fucking shithole in your lifetime

>>82423030

don't be a cunt, murdering plebeians to avenge the murder of other plebeians doesn't balance anything out. unfortunately there wasn't a way to make the bomb only vaporize generals and politicians

>>82425053
>paper
>printing
>gunpowder
>compass

The US wouldn't even exist without Chinese inventions.

>>82420332
japanese committed a ton of war crimes and had the least honorable military, they would have soldiers pretend to surrender or be injured then spring an ambush
they would attack medics while simultaneously disguising soldiers as medics to trick the enemy
this leads to many more deaths on both sides as the injured go untreated and no one can be trusted

>>82425324
kek

Europeans discovered these things independently and then did them better

>>82425324
>Chinese inventions
>Compass
>Paper
>Printing
>Gunpowder
Are you fucking kidding me?

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>>82425324
>nothing for the past thousand years or so
Wow, surely those chinese engineers will come through with that hypothetical missile tech!

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>>82424749

>>82425367
>>82425412
>>82425435
>Americuck education

kys

>>82425447
There's "invented gunpowder" and "improved it to the point it's worth using in a wartime scenario." The Chinese did the first one yes, but their weapons were literally flash bangs.

>>82425447
>chinky poo gets butthurt

>>82425324
but the stuff the Chinese made wasn't of great quality
When the Persians got their hand on the Compass, they instantly made it better
When the Europeans got their hands on paper, printing, and gunpowder, they instantly made it better and found a good use for gunpowder

t. 中国通

>start a war
>lose

WOW

>>82425447
Considering the context of the conversation, you don't think it's silly to bring in inventions that are thousands of years old when talking about modern engineers inventing something new? Are you completely unaware of how the chinese military in particular develops all its toys?

>>82420332
we have the same thread every day on /pol/

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>>82420332
>the mother
>the doge

>>82425447
Hello r/asianmasculinity

>>82420332
They deserved it for refusing Jesus.

Imperial Japan had to be exterminated. They had all the focus and will of white people but none of the morals. Now they have claimed the title of honorary aryans for submitting to the west

>>82420332
It's fucking horrible, especially how america got away with it.

>>82425615
>B-but Dresden was justified

>>82425615
>got away with it.
How would you propose to stop them limp dick?

>>82420332

How come that girl had half her face irradiated/burned and that kid was fine? Also why half her face? Did she introduce a little anarchy, upset the established order?

Can white people....really be called people? I mean after all the harm they have done........

>>82423486
Don't forget that the invasion would have been preceded by... Nuking the main staging areas of the Japanese army.

>>82425649
>>82425662
Shut the fuck up edgelords. Nothing will make nukes okay.

>>82425687
I just call them "whites"
no need to add people to the end of their name

>>82425730
>USING ONE BIG BOMB TO KILL A CITY IS WAY WORSE THAN USING 10000 LITTLE BOMBS
kys

>>82423738
Had they soundly defeated the US Navy and reduced America's ability to make war significantly?

>>82423657
>Russia already had Manchuria, they would have invaded before America could get a ground force there.
America already had Japan surrounded, with aa invasion force being prepped. Russians can't just snap their fingers and teleport from mainland China to the Japanese islands. They didn't have much of a navy at the time to transport their people, let alone invade.

>>82425778
E D G Y

>>82423784
>>82423779
t. butthurt flyovertards

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>>82425730
>no argument
>no reading comprehension
You're making the case for nukes look better and better with every post.

>>82425816
nice argument

>>82425778
Don't confuse libtards with facts, like that the firebombing of Tokio killed about as many people as nuking Hiroshima AND Nagasaki.

>>82425825
I work in New York anon. It's a shithole. One of the worst cities I've ever been in my life.

>>82425860
No one thinks you're cool. There are thousands of try hard edgeboys like you on here, and they also are little pussy's in real life.

>>82425874
I'll have a good one when you have.

And then americans expect people to feel bad for two planes flying into two of their towers

>>82425893
How so?

>>82425919
I made mine already dipshit

>>82425963
Yeah, that's why i said you're edgy.

>>82425919
>still can't read
You've completely ignored any points that are brought up. You are an edgelord plant, made to act stupid to make the nukes look better in comparison.

>>82420538
Japan deserved the nukes but not necessarily because of this. They deserved the nukes because the gen. pop. had shown it would militarize at the order of the generals. Contrary to popular belief, the American military did have a couple battles in what is still Japan. They weren't on the mainland but in the ryukyu islands which have been Japanese since the late 1800's (maybe early 1900's). The citizens were attacking tanks with bamboo fucking spears and also committing suicide by jumping off cliffs. Japan had shown its population would gladly fight down to the last child if the emperor/generals commanded it.

The generals were hoping that creating as many casualties as possible (Japanese + American, not necessarily only one side) in those couple battles in Japan proper would make the Americans come to the negotiation table sooner. The Americans were not willing to allow anything other than unconditional surrender, though, so they dropped the nukes to show them they meant business.

It was absolutely the right decision. More civilians had died in the firebombing that had already been occurring in various cities for at least a few weeks. it was not quite as rapid an escalation (in terms of destruction) as many people think.

Heres a little fact about war

Innocents always get the blunt. You think Germans didnt fuck up innocents. You think the Japs gave kindness to china?

Hell look at the damage that Russia did to Germany. An entire town in Germany commited suicide/killed thier young because of what the Russians did

Sorry but innocents were and are always going to die or be hurt by accident or purpose. Its war. Not a game

>>82426017
not an argument, now go back to /pol/ and jerk off to nazi marches or some shit you homo

>>82425956
Dirty, expensive, people are all assholes, and it's fucking DIRTY. I've never seen a city so filthy in my life. Berlin isn't this bad. Seoul isn't this bad. Tokyo isn't this bad.

>>82426041
>just accept it dude
Fuck off, goverment stooge. It should never be okay and accepted.

>>82426067
not an argument, back to /pol/ with you false flagger

>>82426129
>he repeats me now
LOL, even on the net you're a pussy

>>82426166
>oh no, why do you call a spade a spade
Cry more /pol/ nigger

>>82420946
right? fuck drumpf and fuck white people...

>>82426192
No, YOU go back to /pol/ they love nuke loving edgelords like you.

>>82426230
But I'm not a nuke lover, and they love zero argument illiterate niggers like you.

>>82422043
If you think the goal was actually the headcount then you are a fool. The MOAB was a message, a warning shot. It may have only killed 50 ragheads, but it scared thousands

>>82426097
I take it you travel a lot.

Isn't NY supposed to be a lot better than it used to be, say, like it was in the 70's or 80's?

>>82426264
okay i accept your apology, glad i turned an alt righter away from /pol/

>>82426280
>Isn't NY supposed to be a lot better than it used to be, say, like it was in the 70's or 80's?
No doubt, it shows that further improvement is possible.

>>82426337
Why don't you stay in /pol/? That way you won't have to scare people away from it.

>>82424531
German municipalities would have had to starve to keep prisoners fed? I think you are mistaken.

>>82426397
I'll keep scaring people away from /pol/ as long as it keeps people for turning into little shits like your punk ass. Now go play some fallout you nuke loving edgelord