How did Gondor manage to pay for the city repairs after the Battle

This fat fuck, I've read fanfictions that put more thought and effort into his own universe than he has, written twice as fast too.

>>82330394
Why wasn't there an appendix about crop rotation in Hobbiton?

Do they ever actually lay out anyone's tax plan in ASOIAF? The most I remember is just general references to raising/lowering taxes.

>>82330394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY

>can't write satisfying plots for characters so just kills them off

>>82330562
no but we all know that wasn't the point he was making and that he is right

>>82330394
Mate the world of men kissed Aragorns ass after the ring was destroyed, he was swimming in mithral and elven pussy all century long

HOL UP
*Kills off character*
SO YOU BE
*Takes another vacation*
SO YOU BE SAYIN
*Complains about Aragorn's tax policy*
HOOOOL UP
*Devolves story into generic good vs evil plot*
DAT I
*Self inserts into Sam*
AYOOOOOOOOOO HOL UP
*Has heart attack*
DAT I GOTTA
*Farts*
DAT I GOTTA WRITE AN ENDING TO DIS SERIES N SHIEEEEET?
*Postpones book for another year*

>>82330394
he has the fucking gall to say this when a major plot point is that the Lannister's are so rich because they have an endless gold mountain. Something they have been using for hundreds of years.

B A B Y O R C S

>>82331055
>endless gold mountain
>cant repay debts to the iron bank
????

>>82331055
Thousands of years, actually.

>>82331106
The show and the book are different tard. In the show the Lanistars have run out of gold and need to rely on political influence from the crown. In the books there is no such plot. They have a seemingly endless supply of gold that does not flood the market and cause inflation.

>>82331211
So you haven't read the books then eh?

>>82331278
This is /tv/ you Drumpf supporting faggot.

YOU

SHALL NOT

DEFAULT ON YOUR MORTGAGE

>>82330394
Who would they pay? Who says they even had a money-based economy to begin with?

The desire to survive would drive men to rebuild Gondor.

FINISH YOUR BOOK YOU FAT FUCK

>>82331956
>DUDE WHAT IF THEY JUST DO LABOR FOR NOTHING LOL

>>82330425
If only those gay fanfic writers had to actually connect plot points and think about contradictions. I hate that he's taking so long but fuck off

>>82332060
They don't do labor for nothing, they do it to feed and shelter themselves.

>>82332244
bartering is still payment

>>82330394
How does a whole planet survive, let alone develop a civilization, if seasons have random lengths, you fat fuck?

>>82332060
Welcome to the corvee system, otherwise known as one of the basic elements of servitude in a feudal regime

>>82334259
they're still compensated in some manner, even slaves get food

>>82334314
They are compensated with not being kicked out of the land that belongs to their lord, so that they can continue sustaining themselves through farming

>>82330394
they buillt orc concentration camps and let them work themselves to death
sometimes aragorn would stand on the watchtower and shoot random arrows into the crowd

>>82334361
Well then I guess they're not doing labour for nothing then are they?

>>82334395
They are not being paid for it, which was the original point

>>82334413
no the original point was that dumbass say what if they dont have money and that meaning they would just fix castles for fun

>>82330394
Elves planted gardens and trees in the city and Dwarves rebuilt it. Probably free of charge because the fucking King of Gondor is Aragorn.

>>82334395
Exactly. Which is why you've come full circle and fucked yourself in the ass because your original point was that they'd need to raise funds. When just having enough loyal army guys and patriotic sentiment to kick everyone to work is enough, since it amounts to some sort of reward despite not being financial.

>>82334455
Your an retard

>excited for lotr taxposting
>thread totally derailed

but muh west mark flat tax

>>82334474
>because your original point was that they'd need to raise funds
where did I say that?

>>82334467
SHUT UP WE'RE TRYING TO SHITPOST

>>82330394
>civilization is thousands of years old
>no one has figured out how guns or electricity work

lmao

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Why should there be realism in fantasy?

Why does everything need to be explained?

>>82334550
Haha yeah, the romans were idiots I tell ya

>>82334552
because fairy tale morality is not useful

>>82330394
Slave labor orcs

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>>82334599
what?

>>82334604
what did they feed them? other orcs?

>>82334616
idealistic morality promotes naive idiots

>>82334599
Which fairy tales? There are plenty that have bad endings.

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>>82334635
Do you ever think twice about the stupid shit you write?

>>82334550
africans would still be hunting with spears and shiieeett if it wasn't for europe and asia

>>82334659
no do you?

>>82334599
>>82334635
>>82334669
I'll respond anyway. Everyone didn't live happily ever after once Sauron was defeated. There was still conflict that Aragorn had to deal with.

>>82334709
What was Sauron's motivation?

Remember when Tolkien BTFO him from the grave?

>>82334721
Revenge mostly.

>>82334728
>"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing.

>>82334758
And what was his tax policy?

>>82334709
Not that guy, but I'd be interested to know more.

>>82334817
An obligatory tax rate of 99%, any attempt at disputing it would end with an orc battalion being sent to your home to collect the debt by force. Your family would also be sent to work as forced labourers in Mordor.

>>82334865
There's not a whole lot to be found but the appendices do mention that Eomer and Rohan came to Gondor's aid whenever needed.

What was the inflation rates for the kingdoms of middle earth

>>82334894
How about deductibles?
Would it be possible to send assets between holding companies owned by your first cousin to optimise taxes? What would the taxes even be invested in? Where, as a citizen of mordor, would I find information on domestic spending?

was flying the eagles to rescue frodo and sam a vouched travel expense or did Gandalf receive a yearly allowance?

>>82331055
Why is this bad?

I'm not sure if you're aware of basic economics Anon but access to natural resources is a massive determinant of a state's wealth.

>>82330394
Did Bilbo need to pay import tax when he came home with all that treasure?

Did the fellowship encounter any border patrols as they crossed the various regions of middle earth?

What kind of permits did Bilbo need to throw such a big birthday party?

>>82334599
Retard.

>>82334721
>What was Sauron's motivation?

domination of all life dummy

Ohhh, I finally get it. The reason the orcs had nothing to eat by maggoty bread was due to the harsh wartime tax enacted by Saruman. They couldn't afford to purchase a luxury commodity like quality meat. LOTR is much deeper than I initially thought.

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>>82335003

>>82335025
Why was he taxing his own people so heavily? What was the taxes being spent on? Did Isengard have universal free healthcare? The questions are endless.

>>82335017
but why?

>>82335025
Why the fuck would he tax his own army?

>>82335062
he didn't
>tax populace
>price of goods increase
>army cant buy enough meat

>>82335096
What populace?

Gurm is really resting on his nonexistent laurels nowadays.

Let's be honest, a lot of mobs that got killed at Pellenor would have dropped some pretty sweet loot.

Fuck the ivory from the oliphaunts alone would have been enough to pay for repairs (them elves and their statuette carving). The Witch Kings flame sword and black mace are both legendary items, and don't forget they scored a free fleet of corsair ships.

>>82335132
the farmer orcs

>>82335139
>The Witch Kings flame sword and black mace are both legendary items

you probably can't just use those

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>>82330599
topest of keks

>>82335139
who's gonna buy that shit post war when presumably a huge swath of farmers and farmland is wiped out

>>82335132
The populace that manufactures maggoty bread, the orc farmers who grew the maggoty wheat as well as the maggot farmers who nurtured the maggots.

>>82330394
Maybe economies mean fuck all when the world is ruled by magic space wizards.
You ever think of that?
Maybe the fact kings can cast spells that make more gold.

>>82335192
Aragorn doesn't know magic.

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>>82330599
people actually defend this guy

>>82334496
**You'r'e a

>>82335192
The War of the Ring was effectively the ending of the magical age of elves and wizards. It was the beginning of the more mundane age of man.

>>82335192
but then the price of gold would go down and you'd need more even more

>>82335025

You realise that, due to Isengards relative proximity to the shire, "maggotty bread" is in fact just bread sourced from Farmer Maggot?

The orcs disdain for it is due mainly to high levels of genetic gluten intolerance.

>>82335278
why didn't saruman just magic up some zonulinase for the orcs then?

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>>82335278
>You realise that, due to Isengards relative proximity to the shire, "maggotty bread" is in fact just bread sourced from Farmer Maggot?

>>82334969
>Did Bilbo need to pay import tax when he came home with all that treasure?
I doubt it. I don't think the Shire even has a customs office to which enact tariffs with.
>Did the fellowship encounter any border patrols as they crossed the various regions of middle earth?
Yes.
>What kind of permits did Bilbo need to throw such a big birthday party?
It's unclear where the party takes place so it could be on his property, otherwise he would either ask the owners of the property, or if it was on "government" land, which I doubt, he would have asked the mayor.

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>Audit me? Thou fool. No living man may audit me!
>But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord's tax collection. Be gone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will audit you every year like Trump, if you touch him.

was all that really necessary tolkein?

>>82335278
>>82335312
Should have imported some lembas.

>>82335356
Bilbo's 111th birthday party was on his property.

>>82335182
Rich people?

Mordor is nothing but a wasteland with no agriculture... where are the orcs getting their food from?

>>82335372
Elves probably had a trade embargo, but do were there any elves that would sell it on on the black market?
>>82335392
you mean the lords who just had all their serfs wiped out? They might bigger priorities consider the cost of labor is going to skyrocket

I hate this board. Can someone ban me, please?

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>>82335394
Not Núrn. Fairly certain it's even stated that's where Sauron grows the food for his armies.

>>82335427
>They might bigger priorities consider the cost of labor is going to skyrocket
Rich people gonna be rich.

>>82335448
Even banned you can still read posts.

>>82335504
>Rich people gonna be rich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Ex5NZKvCg

>>82335132
The rape elves.

>>82335798
The entire point in serfdom is that it's free to the lords. The peasants work the land in exchange for a small plot to grow their own shit.

And it's not like paying peasants is that expensive in the first place. I mean the rich rich, not the barely scraping by rich.

>>82335870
so then why do you need the witch kings flaming sword to pay for anything/who do you pay with it?

>>82335896
Because more money in the coffers is always good?

>>82335934
alright I give up

>>82335896
Also you use it for wages, throwing lavish feasts, warfare, buying materials, public expenditures, welfare.

>>82335896
You pay some other lord who is more vain in exchange for more land or his daughter

>>82335956
I'm not sure why you think it's such a weird concept when it happens all the time in real life.

>>82334960
>what is inflation
stop posting and go back to writing George

>>82330394
Aragorn had a secret slush fund, it was mostly out of pocket with a stimulus from Rohan after the dust settled.

>>82335988
sure yeah whatever man just nevermind

>>82330394
what is tax plan of White Walkers?

>>82335999
its only an issue if the population at large gets access to the resources instead of the lord or else the lord quickly spends his resources in the same location

take medieval Mali: ungodly rich in gold (and salt) but they suffered relatively little inflation themselves, the countries where they exported their gold to with an actual functioning merchant class however tended to get fucked by larger influxed

>>82334787
>Not worth doing
GURM btfo

>>82334940
Have you tried checking the website?

>>82331055
The major plot point is that they're broke because the mines are empty, you fucking retard.

>>82336075
and Lanisters are spending lots of gold that they mine all over the kingdom to the point of practically financing the crown, they are not exporting it, there is is even a saying that "Lannisters shit gold", yet the value of gold did not drop for hundreds of yers of them flooding the market with it. is that how economics work?

>>82336184
yeah...as long as the inflation doesn't happen excessively

So is this fat cunt actually still writing or is he just collecting normie shekels from the show until he dies

>>82330394
Who paid for the wall in the north and what's the annual real estate tax?

>>82336282
latter

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>>82330425
>he reads fan fiction

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>Tolkien includes a number of heroic figures, but they are not of the "Conan" stamp. They are not larger-than-life swashbucklers who fear neither monster nor magic. His wizards are either ineffectual or else they lurk in their strongholds working magic spells which seem to have little if any effect while their gross and stupid minions bungle their plans for supremacy. Religion with its attendant gods and priests he includes not at all. These considerations, as well as a comparison of the creatures of Tolkien's writings with the models they were drawn from (or with a hypothetical counterpart desirable from a wargame standpoint) were in mind when Chainmail and Dungeons & Dragons were created.
>Take several of Tolkien's heroic figures for example. Would a participant in a fantasy game more readily identify with Bard of Dale? Aragorn? Frodo Baggins? or would he rather relate to Conan, Fafhrd, the Grey Mouser, or Elric of Melnibone? The answer seems all too obvious.
>Obviously, Professor Tolkien did not create the whole of his fantasies from within. They draw upon mythology and folklore rather heavily, with a few highly interesting creations which belong solely to the author such as the Nazgul, the Balrog, and Tom Bombadil. All of the other creatures are found in fairy tales by the score and dozens of other excellent writers who create fantasy works themselves: besides Howard whom I already mentioned, there are the likes of Poul Anderson, L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt, Fritz Leiber, H.P. Lovecraft, A. Merritt, Michael Moorcock, Jack Vance, and Roger Zelazny -- there are many more, and the omission of their names here is more of an oversight than a slight.

>>82330562
Tyrion put taxes on prostitution is the only one I remember

>>82338116
Magic in Conan is pretty subtle though, and all the sorcerors and wizards in it to exactly as quoted, sit in towers with ineffectual magic while their gross minions fuck it up. There's almost nothing remotely sound about the entire quotation.

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What kind of sewer system does Minas Tirith and Osigiliath have?

>>82331055
Casterly Rock has not been producing gold for some time now. Lannisters are keeping this a secret and taking huge loans from the free cities including the iron bank.
The books are pretty consistent and realistic for the most part.
ASoIaF is 10x better than the childrens fantasy shit LotR
Sad the fat fuck is going to die before finishing

>>82330890
most beautiful elf girl got MORTALED

>>82336151
>he thinks the show is canon

Doesn't happen in the books faggot, also in the books every Westerlands house has their own gold mine. Casterly Rock just has the most and also Tywin gets tax (lol) from them.

>>82339064
>>82339156

>>82339156
>Doesn't happen in the books faggot
where do you think you are?

>>82339311
where do you think you are?

How can a man kill all the interesting and likeable characters in his story and just leave the shitty ones walking around

>>82339107
Underrated post

>>82334391
>imagining aragorn getting up in the morning, lighting his pipe, shooting some orcs from his balcony, then going back inside to take a piss
Kek

They were so happy that they could finally enjoy a few years of peace before the squabbling between other men resumes that they all came together and rebuilt. The men would of course be happy to receive delicious captured orc sex slaves as reward.

>>82334969
Didn't you know that Eomer was the leader of a militant border patrol that tried to make Rohan great again?

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>>82335278
>Farmer Maggot
>Maggoty bread

>>82335278
Disdain is a very funny word.

>>82335167
>tfw Aragorn had to do 2 huge questlines to cleanse both weapons before he could equip them and finally overtake Legolas on the dps chart

>>82335278
Top kek

>>82338116
>Would a participant in a fantasy game more readily identify with Bard of Dale?
I've found this to be the case to an almost universal extent. Every archer wants to hit the dragon in the vulnerable spot.

>>82339156
It's foreshadowed to hell and back in the books so much that everyone called it out years ago and then the show outright went and confirmed it to be true. The fat man literally did everything but spelled it out for retards like you.

Either you haven't actually read the books or you're retarded. Do you think that Renly being gay is a show invention too?

>>82334623
They fed them literal shit. Galadriel imported hundreds of tons of the finest elven manure to feed the orc slaves. Galadriel's own shit was used to fertilize the White Tree.

>>82330875
So he was making a point by pointing out a facet that wasn't in LOTR, but also not in his series either?

>>82341253
>It's foreshadowed to hell and back in the books so much

Never noticed this.

Can you cite one instance from the books?

>>82335059
Obsessive compulsive disorder about everything being in order nice & tidy, mostly.

>>82330394
>Elves have abandoned their lands
>Dwarves BTFO of multiple Dwarven holds leaving them empty, but filled with valuables
Wealth is just laying about waiting for people to pick it up.

Why did Rhaegar name both his sons Aegon?

>>82344064
>"The prospect of gaining speedily what is ardently desired, and the certainty of obtaining by every accession of advantage an addition of security, have so far prevailed upon the passions of mankind, that the peace of life is destroyed by a general and incessant struggle for riches. It is observed of gold, by an old epigrammatist, that 'To have it is to be in fear, and to want it is to be in sorrow.' There is no condition which is not disquieted either with the care of gaining or of keeping money; and the race of man may be divided in a political estimate between those who are practicing fraud, and those who are repelling it."

>>82331299
>makes some retarded bullshit up
>gets called out
>calls other person /pol/
nice
get the fuck out please

>>82344171
He only had one Aegon.

>>82330977
underrated

>>82339491
Because that's good writing, anon. Don't you know that?

>>82332209
I've read a few that just finished the entire series for George. To be fair though the better ones use largely different POV's than the books do.

>>82330394
no jews in middle earth, therefore no exploitive central bank to be indebted to.

>>82330875
What's his point?

>little to no taxposting
Disappointing

>>82345852
kek

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>>82335278
damn...

>>82330394
Funny how GRRM books don't give much details on taxes either. Afaik, all they ever mention is that there are gold mines in westerlands, and that there are a lot of brothels in King's landing.

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>>82346405

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Once was funny, twice was entertaining but do we really need a fucking thread EVERY fucking day

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>>82346789
Welcome to /tv/. Enjoy your stay

>>82346789
I think the real question is why you're on /tv/ every day.

>>82346405
>Be GRRM

>Entire economies based on ethier prostitutes or mountains of gold

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AND MY TAX

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>tfw too intelligent for tax policies

>>82335183
What about the menu printers guild?

>>82330394
They receive foreign aid.

>‘There is some good stone-work here,’ he said as he looked at the walls; ‘but also some that is less good, and the streets could be better contrived. When Aragorn comes into his own, I shall offer him the service of stonewrights of the Mountain, and we will make this a town to be proud of.’
>‘They need more gardens,’ said Legolas. ‘The houses are dead, and there is too little here that grows and is glad. If Aragorn comes into his own, the people of the Wood shall bring him birds that sing and trees that do not die.’

>In his time the City was made more fair than it had ever been, even in the days of its first glory; and it was filled with trees and with fountains, and its gates were wrought of mithril and steel, and its streets were paved with white marble; and the Folk of the Mountain laboured in it, and the Folk of the Wood rejoiced to come there; and all was healed and made good, and the houses were filled with men and women and the laughter of children, and no window was blind nor any courtyard empty; and after the ending of the Third Age of the world into the new age it preserved the memory and the glory of the years that were gone.

>>82330394
Because the king was back and he could use plant magic to heal everything. Essentially they diverted the entire medical budget to city repair for a quarter.

>>82346789
This is how this board works. There is at least one bane thread every day since 2011

>>82330394
The Dwarves did it as a token of friendship after the war ended. Even build a Mithril Gate (tiny chainmail worth more than the shire mind you), so clearly money isn't a chief concern in this world. This is also a world of definite evils and goods so the people who lived there did the work freely to rebuild their own city.

This criticism is absurd though. If there is tax, it simply doesn't matter in the story being told. It does however matter in the type of story being told by GRRM.

>>82343050
Which makes the "gift" she gave to Sam hilarious.

"Here's a box of my feces"

>>82330425
>fanfiction
>put more thought into universe

fanfiction is work based off of established universes...

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>The western continent is called Westeros
>The eastern continent is called Essos
>The southern continent is called Sothoros

>the northern land is called the North
>the west land is called the Westerlands
>the lands with lots of rivers is called the Riverlands

How the FUCK did he get away with this?

>>82349474
And build it better. The best fanfiction I ever read was an MLP/WH40K crossover.

>>82349142
>trees that do not die
If trees are immortal, would they not in due time take over the entire planet?

>>82330394
Paying peasants? For what purpose?

>>82334391
Fucking kekd hard picturing this

>>82335158
>>82335183
>>82335278
>>82347904
haha. good one.

>>82330394
didn't dwarves come down and fix the walls? or was that helms deep

>>82351536
>dwarves
This is the age of Men, anon.

>>82341253
>It's foreshadowed to hell and back
where would that be?
asearchoficeandfire.com