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This is the most kino moment in network television history, and

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This is the most kino moment in network television history, and it was before the supposed "golden age of television" we are in now.
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>golden age
>now
lol
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you're wrong.
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You're right
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>>82099547
>muh breaking bad
>muh GoT
>muh TWD

hence the air quotes
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This isn't even the best moment in L O S T.

But Network tv is such shit that it's not hard to pick literally any dramatic moment of lost and see how far superior it is to the rest of the shitheap of sitcom trash and copy pasted cop procedurals.
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>>82099645
name a more powerful, well shot clip. There are many amazing ones, but the twist of this moment, along with the perfect directing (the toes wiggling in the foreground and shift in focus), along with the score climaxing beautifully. Pure kino.
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>>82099645
>This isn't even the best moment
you are 100% wrong, my friend
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>>82099689
It's a great scene, but I'm far more partial to this as it was at this moment that I knew LOST wasn't just another tv show, it was something truly special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyGAhJ971No
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>started watching in season 2
>go back to watch how it started
>it's still a twist
He's always sitting in every flashback that episode but I didn't think anything of it
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Lost was an awful fucking show and it's fanbase is as fucking retarded and annoying as game of cucks watchers.
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>>82099761
his theme music is so based
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Lost could have been great but they royally fucked it up the last few seasons.
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>>82099966
Honestly, I thought season 5 was ok. They switched it up and pretty much made Sawyer and Juliet the main characters and it was fresh, and the time hopping stuff was really cool. Season 6 started off really good, with how the characters lives end up if the swan station was never made, but jokes on you none of it was real, and the episodes they wasted fleshing out Jack's relationship with his son, Locke's substitute teaching job, and Ben's relationship with Alex was all irrelevant and not real. THATS what pissed me off the most about the final season half the season was pointless.

But overall I think season 4 was the worst. Oceanic 6 was boring as fuck.
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Is it worth it to watch Lost if I didn't watch it when it was new?
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>>82100079
I used to think season 4 was one of the best seasons, but rewatching it it's probably my least favorite of them all now. It has some great episodes, but overall it was a letdown, too short because of the writer's strike too.
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>>82099476
>>82099076
Original thread
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>>82100156
Yes, of course it is. It's probably one of the greatest, if now THE greatest tv shows of all time. Just leave this thread and start immediately before faggots come in and start spoiling shit for you.
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has anyone re-watched lost and enjoyed it?

I loved it the first time but I was also young
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>>82099476
>"golden age of television" we are in now

the fuck are you smoking
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>>82100156

yes dude, really good show if you allow yourself to suspend disbelief and not try to rationalize everything

leave thread before you get spoiled and go watch it
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Prestige cable killed network television, which was never that great anyway, so of course there haven't been lots of great shows on networks recently.
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>>82100156
Hurley was the island the whole time
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>>82100198
I rewatch it about every other year, once I get in the mood for it. Still brings me to tears every time, even the fucking finale, which I hated at first, I've grown to love every time I re-watch it.

It's honestly really underrated, LOST was about the characters and their stories, not the mysteries of the Island, but that said they answered a lot of the mysteries but left the answers themselves still relatively open to interpretation, such as what the Island actually was for example.

That final moment of the finale, Jack closing his eyes next to Vincent as the Ajira plane flies overhead is one of the best scenes in the entire show, and it's a shame that people overlook the finale so much because people didn't get all the answers they wanted.
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>>82100198
OP here, rewatching it now, loved season 1. Season 2 is great, but with full knowledge of what is going on, the actions of the others are really baffling, and unjustifiably cruel to the survivors of the crash. Anyways I'm on early season 3 and so far I'm enjoying it overall.
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>>82099476
>That terrible fucking fake australian accent in that scene
Took me out of it.
>>82100198
>>82100198
It's better on a rewatch because you know the clusterfuck that is season 6 is coming. You can also avoid Over the Sea or whatever it was called. Worst episode conveniently is the only one you can skip.
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>>82100298
>The Muffin !!cBVsaJuKz+8

I really need to start filtering trips in general.
None of you post anything worth reading ever.
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>>82100298
It's Across the Sea, and it's far from the worst episode of the show. That award goes to the "Jack's Tattoo" episode, or the one where Charlie kidnaps Aaron and has those visions on the beach. Or the Juliet episode with the Other's psychiatrist.

I'm not saying it was a great episode, but it did a serviceable job of at least explaining a lot of elements of mystery that fans were clamoring for, such as Jacob / MIB's relationship.
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This is the most kino trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuISMUoJNw8
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lost was the last good network show.

i still remember the night they first showed the blast door map, what a ride it was both here and other sites.
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>>82099476

People actually think we're in a golden age now? What the fuck is on television these days that has even 10% of the impact that LOST did?
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>>82099476

10 most kino Lost scenes:

>Walkabout ending
>Sawyer telling Jack about his father
>Season 2 intro
>Swan system failure and fail safe
>Sawyer meets and kills original Sawyer
>"Not Penny's boat"
>"WE HAVE TO GO BACK"
>Desmond calls Penny in The Constant
>Keamy killing Alex
>Miles and Hugo talking about time travel
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>>82099476
The 2nd Golden age of television refers to when cable networks began to offer their own scripted dramas, usually beginning with the Sopranos. LOST is a few years down the line in the age when the OTA networks got in on the action.
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>>82100981
>no Juliet scenes

0/10
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>>82099476
Why did Ben kill him?
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let's really be honest here

the most memorable thing was locke banging on the hatch door and the light coming on. not saying the rest of the show was bad by any means, but the hatch set up the rest of the show.
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>>82101313
>Don't you leave me, don't you let go
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>>82099476
>tfw when my dad skipped that episode because he's retarded and thought he was somehow watching the first episode again because of the flashback to the plane crash.

he also stopped watching Breaking Bad with only one episode left because he was upset that they made a baby cry on camera.

anyone else have parents who suck at watching TV?
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>>82100453
that song is way too distracting to use for a trailer, bad move Lindelof
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>Why do you find it so hard to believe?
>Why do you find it so easy?

Lost was pure, uncut kino.
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>>82102232

That scene was the first LOST related thing I ever saw. It was a promo for the next episode or something. Then I bought the season 1 DVD a few weeks later and marathoned the whole thing over the weekend.
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>>82099761
>the feel when you can now look back and say "this was when it all turned to shit"

That scene makes me sad.
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>>82102232
ITS NEVER BEEN EASY
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>What about me?!
>What about you, Ben.
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>>82100516
>lost was the last good network show.
There've been lots of fantastic shows since:

Person of Interest
Hannibal
The Good Wife
Empire
Fringe
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I have to ask about the ending because It could be either, did they dream or imagine it all or did it all happen and the church they all go to is just their spirits meeting to all go to heaven together?

or was it something else entirely
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>>82102402
Everything was real. Only thing that wasnt real was the flash sideways in season 6, that was like purgatory.
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>>82102402
everything that happened one the island was real, everyone who chipped in and did their part to protect the island got to meet up in heaven later and have a let's-go-to-heaven party. that's why Michael, Ana Lucia, Ben, and others aren't there, they didn't do enough so their souls are still on earth trying to redeem themselves.

it wasn't a perfect ending but hey, getting Lindelof'd is a ride worth taking.
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Is Alias good?
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>it's a flashback episode

Fuck.
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>>82102782
first two seasons are great, after that was when JJ began developing lost and scripting MI3 and the show went to shit.

season 4 finale has zombies, if that paints a picture for how bad the show gets
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>>82102397
>Person of Interest
>Fringe

Mah nigga. Both extremely underrated shows. I think they didn't get the attention they should because they weren't easy to classify and didn't have the usualy quippifying protagonists.
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>>82102838
I don't have the slightest clue what Alias is even about so all what you said does for me is spoil me.
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>>82102797

>its a flashforward episode
>mfw flashforwards
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>>82103117
it's basically Buffy but with spies. Bradley Cooper was in it before he became a huge actor.

Quentin Tarantino also plays a villain in the first seasons which is pretty fun to watch
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>>82102782

It was ok from what I remember overall but the later seasons ware very hit and miss.
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>>82102782
Bad Robot/JJ Abrams POWER RANKING:

1. Person of Interest
2. Westworld
3. LOST
4. Fringe
5. Revolution
6. Alias
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>>82103190

>Westworld above anything
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>>82100981
>Sawyer telling Jack about his father

this was the scene that surprised me to tears upon rewatch, because it'd been years since I saw it when it aired, and I'd completely forgotten about it
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>That moment where jack pulls the trigger on locke but the gun wasnt loaded
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>>82102912
Nah man. Fringe just doomed itself by how they ordered the episodes.

If you look at the numbers, the Premiere episode got decent audience and was super well recieved by critics. So I think it was more than 13 million who tuned into the 2nd episode.
And well, that was the super-old baby episode, so probably turned off the normies which you can see because the audience numbers immediatly plummeted to 3 million and it was just down hill from there.

Also the 4th season onward really jumped the shark, which sucks cause that show was god tier for seasons 1-3.
Especially season 1 finale.
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>>82103231
Westworld is the only show I like by them.
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>>82103280
I still love season 4, even if it doesn't quite fulfill the potential of everyone interacting with their doubles and figuring out the differences in life paths. Could have made for a lot of great moments.The ending was pretty shitty though.
Season 5 is pretty cool too, but it is clear it was never supposed to happen and they had to come up with some spare, emergency plot in order to keep going.
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>>82103231
Highest production value, great music, solid script and Anthony Hopkins to top it off.

Only 1 season and it's already top kino
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>>82103117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sH-TLgeW04
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>>82101338

He's not one of the oceanic travelers, he wanted to go back, he wanted to be the leader. He was not important, not special, he got the information he needed out of locke, who was going to kill himself anyway.
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>>82103190
>forgeting the gem nobody fucking watched that is Almost Human.
For shame anon.
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>>82100298
>>82100358
worst episode is the one with a guy and a girl with expensive jewelery that gets burried
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>>82103333

I started Westworld in November and still haven't finished it. Did an entire LOST re-watch in the meantime, which took less than two months. That says it all.
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>>82103381
>the gem nobody fucking watched
Admittedly, I didn't watch it yet.
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>>82103393
Lindelof agrees with you about Stranger in a Strange Land, he put this on his instagram after the last Leftovers aired
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Anyone of you have saved lost verticals?
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>>82103409
All it says is you like Lost.

I'm enjoying Leftovers more than I did lost too.
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>>82103343
Yeah, I'll admit there were some great individual episodes in Season 4. The Old couple in the merging building is one that stands out as pretty good to me. And I'd be lying if I said seeing all the protags using the countless bio weapons they had accumulated over the series wasn't a great payoff. But Season 4 is really when the overarching plot fell off.

Still, nothing in the series will top the Season 1 finale with the Reveal that it's the real Peter's Grave Walter is visiting and that fucking shot of THE GOD DAMN TWIN TOWERS.
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>>82103393
>>82100358
>>82100298

You're all wrong. THIS is by far the worst episode. Still have no idea what they were thinking with this one. Also, when it first aired, it followed a really great episode and you had to wait two weeks for it. The biggest middle finger the show ever gave us.
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>>82103451
It had some great individual episodes and was teasing some really cool potential for the overarching plot.

In fact I actually had a theory when I saw it than it took place in the same universe as Fringe just cause of little details that were being dropped here and there.
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>>82103580
was that Fire + Water? it's definitely the worst episode of season 2, still don't know why they tried to make the audience hate Charlie when he was by far one of the best characters
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I was ready to drop this show by the first time that noise came out of the forest in episode 1

Couldn't even make it to the end of season 1 and seeing how the show ended up, I think I've seen the best of Lost
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>>82103571
Like I said, season 4 was likely supposed to be the last and I think all the confusion around cancellation/continuation caused them to rush things, putting what was supposed to be the natural conclusiono to things aside.
The first 3 seasons feel more cohesive because they were likely plotted out from the start and executed according to that plan. You can see hints of it in season 4 as well and I think there was supposed to be another season of interaction between the two sides, but ratings dropped, the network freaked, cancelled them, then un-cancelled, forcing an early conclusion to season 4 and a tacked-on season 5.
It really is a shame because it was one of the better structured "timelines" in tv history.
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>>82099476
The golden age began with the Sopranos and ended with Mad Men.
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>>82103580
I dunno, I'm a sucker for hallucinations, so I kinda liked it. For example, I really like season 3 episode Further Instructions where Boone walks Locke through the airport in a wheelchair, but no one ever talks about that episode.
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>>82103621

Network fucked up by releasing them out of order initially so no one gave a shit by the time the 5th ep played.

I like to imagine Fringe / L O S T / Almost Human are the same timeline.
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Low key best episode of the series
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>>82103855
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>>82099630
You do understand that when people call this the golden era they are referring to shows like Narcos, Fargo, True Detective, Bloodline, Peaky Blinders.
Not the crap you mentioned.
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>>82103990
dont forget the vampire diaries and riverdale
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>>82104350
We truly live in the golden era of glorious 3D waifus
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>>82099476
My only disappointment with LOST is the smoke monster in general and Ecko's death. Smoke monster needed more development and lore desu.
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>golden age
>now
Black Sails is over.
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>>82102402
Everything real. Also member the light at core of the island? The walk into the very same light. Just to empathize importance of the island.
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>>82104413
a rare situation where the blonde is the least appetizing option
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>>82104671
>sjw show
KEK
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>>82099476
It was fucking disgraceful the way they just aborted his character and had him become the new face of the MiB for absolutely no reason. What was wrong with his old body?
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>>82106318
>writing off shows with trivialities that trigger you as "SJW"

No anon, you are the SJW.
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>>82107355
MiB feels like wasted potential to me. What in the fuck was the Smoke Monster to begin with?
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>>82104671
BS was the only good show and it wasn't even that popular. Tv is fucken shit right now.
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>>82106318
*triggered*
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>>82100273
>everything happened inside Hurley
really makes me think.
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>>82099476
Yeah this scene was spectacular. This, the opening of S2 and the finale of S3 were the highlights of the show. Too bad it turned to shit afterwards.
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>>82100156
Its one of those shows thats good for 2 or 3 seasons then trails off when they run out of interesting things to write
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Hi, best girl here
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>>82108326

>you now remember the scene when juliet walks in on ben raping alex

or was that just on the blu-ray?
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>>82107439
Yeah that was some bullshit. He fell into the hole and turned into black smoke. Ok...
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>>82108374
alex is a pure girl please delet this
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>>82099689
Pure kino that's what sold me on Lost forever
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>and it was before the supposed "golden age of television"

Nigga it was after the golden age (Six Feet Under, The Wire, Sopranos)
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>That scene where you think Ben is playing some 5d chess with the mercenaries and his daughter and has everything under control
>He's letting her take the risk in classic Ben fashion but you know he still loves her
>He tries to make a power play with no leverage and we all assumed it was because he knew something we didn't
>Timer runs out
>His daughter just fucking dies
>Ben was actually just a coward who sold out his own daughter to save himself

OR
>Ben takes Locke out to find the cabin he "knows" doesn't exist to kill him
>Locke finds it within an hour after Ben looked for his entire life
>Ben pokerfaces through and walks in, but still doesn't believe Jacob is real or that there's any magic
>Locke summons a spooky ghost proving him to be the true leader
>Ben realizes he's actually just some bitch and kills Locke
The entire time this is happening we assume Ben knew the whole time but in reality he's freaking out. And its only in the next season that you realize what was happening in that scene


Ben was really just amazingly written compared to some of the others like Kate
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>>82103990
Are you a teenager? People think GoT and Breaking Bad are perfect.
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>>82109624
>Is finally led to Jacob
>Jacob insults him
>Fucking stabs him in the chest
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>>82099476
There is many kino moments in Lost. The opening of the first 3 seasons, Locke banging on the hatch door and it lighting up, then seeing it later from Desmond's angle when he's about to commit suicide, the ending of S3 finale, Charlie's death, the phonecall between Desmond and Penny, S5 finale first few minutes revealing Jacob and MIB.. really, the list goes on. It's easily the best network TV show ever made, despite its flaws. Since Lost ended, network TV hasn't been worth a damn.
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>>82110030
>Desmond and Penny's phone call
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I may not have liked the entirity of Lost, but I really respect the show for actually having the balls to essentially completely transform itself over the seasons.
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>>82103280
Fringe aired right after American Idol in most of its S1 run. It had impressive numbers on its own but when you look at how much of the viewers it lost compared to AI, it was doing poorly.
S2, it got placed on thursday, with no big lead-in, and it was facing off against shows with much bigger audiences. It got slaughtered.

FOX tried to salvage it but it was a losing battle. Eventually it got moved to friday, which is known to be a death sentence.
It was extremely mismanaged, it was always a gore-y scifi, it had no business airing after American Idol or going up against huge mainstream shows.
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tfw we dont have network shows like Lost or 24 anymore
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>there will never be a show like LOST ever again

it fucking hurts lads
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>>82099476
Golden age of tv came and passed it's gone now mate.
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>>82100156
Half the fun of LOST was participating in threads about all of the deeper meaning. Those threads were NOT on this website.
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>>82108326
Lmao

Evie was in in it. Every other woman looked like a homely, girl next door.

Literally the prettiest waifu ever, my on her crush was so potent my heart felt weird in the physical sense, when she was on screen.
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>>82099476
>anything LOST
>kino
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>>82108326
>>82110538
unrefined tastes
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>>82110309
technically all shows are like lost

as the only goal of lost was to keep people watching for as long as possible for as little money as possible.
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>>82099547
>>82099630

>taking the bait
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>>82110808
She was pretty, had a cool personality and had big boobs, but she was no k8.
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*blocks your path*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM
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>>82103855
>>82103941
Just realized that Richard is the mayor of Gotham in the Dark Knight trilogy
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>mfw we are soon to witness true kino again
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>>82110855
Huh? Lost's budget was huge
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>>82104996
wrong
>blonde
>nina dobrev
>black
in that order friendo
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>>82111652
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on season 6. All those relationships in that "pocket universe" are fake and its annoying. Some characters aren't even real like Jack's son
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>>82099476
>the most kino moment in network television history
>not "we have to move the island"
anti-season-4fags must get out STAT
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Sorry but this is the reason why the earlier seasons were so good

https://youtu.be/kULb36DhzE4
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>>82099790

>implying they are two distinct groups
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>>82109066
That's the same episode where he just says "oh and these ancient roman people here have helped me build a wheel which will move the island" and that was all the backstory we ever got for that.
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>>82099476
It would probably be something from mad men
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>>82112442
>literally just magic
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>>82103393
That's Expose, and it wasn't that bad of an episode, it just felt unnecessary because it dealt with two background characters that were introduced in season 3 to little fanfare. It's actually not a bad episode on its own, and tells an interesting story. They get buried alive though, that part was pretty great.
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>>82099476
I'm watching that show at the moment. Am about halfway through season 2 now and god, do Jack and Kate piss me off.

Jack
>constantly losing his mind

Kate
>conning everybody and keeps getting away with it
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>>82112874
Jack gets better. Kate remains an insufferable cunt throughout.
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>>82099476
Locke was too OP, he basically did NOTHING wrong.
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>>82112874
Just focus on Sawyer. He's the man.
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>>82100298
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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we are in an age where people rush to the internet forum of their choice, spout theories and then get upset when things do go as they planned
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>>82103990
>Narcos
Overrated garbage.
>Fargo
Probably one of the few decent current television shows.
>True Detective
Half of it is complete garbage and ruined the first season.
>Bloodline
Garbage.
>Peaky Blinders
Garbage.

You forgot an actually good modern show, Leftovers. That and Fargo are really the only things this decade has to offer in terms of quality art.
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Desmond > Locke
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>>82113503
That's where you're right, brotha.
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>>82103990
>Narcos
What is that doing in your list?
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I only realized during my rewatch that Locke was evil from the beginning.
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>>82113467
>Bloodline
I found the acting was pretty fucking good. The story itself wasn't great.
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>>82113551
>acting ability defines the quality of a piece of motion picture
Nah dag.
>>
I hate how Hurley Kate & Jack keep calling James Sawyer until the end.
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>>82113503
>Alcoholic sexually assaulting people on set
>Better than based Terry o'quinn
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Reminder that Lindelof and Cuse put footage of the wreckage in the credits themselves

Reminder that due to backlash they went around saying it was the doing of ABC excecutives until four years after the finale aired

Reminder that they all died on the plane
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>>82113467
I can tell that you're clearly under 20
>>
>>82110941
did he died?
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>>82113636
Why's that.
>>
>>82113467
> I say garbage a lot, must mean I have good taste.
You sound like a picky faggot.
>>
>>82113713
Fine. I'd rather be a picky faggot than a shameless pleb.
>>
>There will NEVER EVER be another TV show with as many compelling mysteries as LOST
>There will NEVER EVER be another TV show with a greater collections of characters and development than LOST
>There will NEVER EVER be another TV show with as many GOAT moments as LOST

It's in a class of its own.
>>
>>82113573
compared the majority of shows out it certainly does.
>>
>>82113744

Liking the leftovers makes you a pleb dw about that
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>>82113898
>no u pleb
Nice one.
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>>82113999
see you in another life trips
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>>82099689
>Pure Kino
exactly up until that moment LOST was just a show making me feel like the beginning of the x files, but when that scene played it just transformed the experience into something special

something that i havent seen since, except for maybe the leftovers
>>
>>82113591
>things that never happened
>>
>>82113996

>Not Penny's trips
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>>82099689
Not him, but I think the season 2 & 3 openings were the best parts of LOST. Those are exceptionally well.
>>
>mfw just finished rewatching season 1 for the first time in 5 years

just so good

so fucking good
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>>82114815

sorry brother, do I know you?
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>>82100198
The only good thing about Lost was following it, discussing each episode, coming up with theories and making verticals.

It doesn't really hold up otherwise.
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>>82100156
When LOST ended, I basically lost most interest I had in /tv/.
LOST time was fucking magical on /tv/.
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>>82114036
Why do you think Desmond was only in like 3 scenes in season 5
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>don't talk to me or my best friend's son ever again

mfw it's something he would actually say
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>>82110013
>what about me?
>what ABOUT you?

holy shit Jacob just destroyed Ben right there, and he knew it was over for him as well, the loophole was found
>>
>>82114489
What was the loophole? Couldn't MiB get anyone in the islands history to kill Jacob? Or is it that MiB had to elaborately disguised himself as lovke and only that way would Ben be convinced to do it
>>
>>82100156
Yeah, just do it. It's worth it. There's some truly great character work in that show.

Go now.
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>>82114389
>alk to me or my best friend's son ever again
>mfw it's something he would actually say
>>>
> Anonymous 04/27/17(Thu)22:10:29 No.821


Don't talk to me or my son's wife ever again
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>82114815

DUDE THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS!

> ... wait a second ...

L O S T
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>>82114194
Now add Jin and Hurley and I would watch it.
>>
>>82108326
Wasn't she on Malcom in the Middle? One of my earliest waifus if she was.
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The best moment is television history was the final 2 minutes of Deus Ex Machina where locke is banging on the hatch and the light turns on

Literally nothing comes close to matching that scene
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>>82108326
Truly the patrician choice.

fuck you keamy you piece of shit
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>>82099476

Kino? Fuck does that mean? This show sucked cock. So does Walking Dead.
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>>82116386
Nothing stirs up my anglo blood quite like the desire to impregnate French women.
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>>82116386
Why didn't Malcolm fuck her?
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>>82117554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwaKtuOkhX8
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