Be truthful, is the next generation worth watching? Or is it

It's actually uniformly terrible from the first episode to the last. You'd be better off watching Deep Space 9, which features better actors and a coherent plot.

>>81936505
Even people that love the series agree the first few episodes are shit. Most agree s3-s6 are where the gold is.

It's genuinely great, but most of season 1 and 2 are undeniably terrible. I would say you have to watch the Pilot, and Skin of Evil (both terrible episodes) for plot reasons and then the only other episode worth watching in season 1 and 2 is Measure of a Man

Just skip to season 3 afterwards

>>81936505
Some tng episodes are superb. Others are filler and reused storylines with different aliens. Theres a list i never saved it and have no idea how accurate it is.

>>81936543
Ds9 is utter trash until the last season and maybe some of the second to last.

>>81936505
As a general rule, avoid anything where Riker doesn't have a beard.

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>>81936505
Watch until you see this

>>81936649
>most of season 1 and 2 are undeniably terrible.
Bullshit, they're perfectly watchable. You just do it after you finish all the other seasons.

TNG suffers from stories that don't age well at all. I can't watch a lot of the episodes now a days without cringing

Just watch babylon 5, the superior scifi show.

>>81936745
Daffy Duck, haha I know that reference.

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>>81936543

Its called star trek, implying a trek through the stars

not

star sit in one place

ds9 was terrible

>>81936505
Start with season 3 or so.

>>81936649
And Conspiracy. Also crap, but the scene where Picard and Riker blow a guy's head up makes it worth it.

>>81936505

Picks up after the first season or so and its undeniably the best of all Star Trek overall.

>>81936745
>Shit DS9 ripoff
No thanks

>>81936923
as much as I like DS9, its better than DS9. at least it didn't have shitty cringy dialogue and stupid writing and a story that was cobbled together at the end because the writers had no idea what direction to take the story

the characters actually progress in B5 and have interesting relationships with each other, the intrigue and politics are miles better than most TV shows made today.

>the sisko is linear, he tries to control the game blah blah corporeal matters
its lazy writing and story telling that uses vague dialogue to hide how shallow it is. the only good episodes were the funny ones or the ones that had nothing to do with the main storyline, like Take Me Out to the Holosuite, In the Cards, Its Only a Paper Moon etc, with the only exception really being In the Pale Moon Light.

There were a couple of good stories at the end of season one. I liked "Too Short a Season".

But I agree that lots of things get better with Season 3.

>>81937159
>as much as I like DS9, its better than DS9.

I agree!

>>81936505
The first season was dull as shit so feel free to skip it.

>>81936649
Season 2 had some top tier episodes though i.e Measure of a Man

There are no good episodes in seasons one or two. Measure of a Manfags can fuck off, it's literally the exception which proves the rule.

>>81937859
No need to be so rude anon.

>>81937889
I just got called a retard in the Battlestar Galactica thread and I'm really upset about it.

We're on E11 on cy tube.
Next up is S02E12: "The Royale"

>>81936543
Mallrats 9 is terrible. kys

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>>81937982
Except for this muther right here.

>>81936594
S5 is shit too but has a few classic episodes near the end to make you forget

nah, it isn't worth watching one of the greatest television shows of all time.

>>81936649
"Q Who?" is required, too.

>>81936649
>>81938327

"Elementary, Dear Data"

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>ywn be a neet that blitzes through all of star trak, b5 and bsg in a couple of months ever again

Honestly the only legitimate bad episode is the one with the space africans.

All the others are fine at worst maybe silly

>>81938520
>"Shades of Gray"

>>81938642
It was fine as long as "clip show" episodes go

>>81937159
>at least it didn't have shitty cringy dialogue and stupid writing and a story that was cobbled together at the end because the writers had no idea what direction to take the story
Except Babylon 5 has all of those.

Especially the fifth season. I don't blame JMS for that-- I blame the network instead-- but even JMS would admit that it was a mess by the end.

>>81938716
>Random irrelevant scenes from one character

>>81936649
>>81938327
>>81938444
And "The Emissary" and "A Matter of Honor".

Suzie Plakson comes back again, and the Klingon-Starfleet Officer Exchange Program gives us Kurn.

>>81938716
You don't get to dismiss it like that. "Oh, clip shows are always shit" - it's a shit episode and there is no reason to watch it whatsoever. Even if you fastforward through all the scenes you've seen before, it's fucking awful, just Troi gurning at an unconscious Riker.

Do not skip any episodes of a show on your first watch, unless it's a clip show.

>>81938982
Noice adds.

What are your views on Pulaski?

>>81936543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkinv1Ew3eI&t=1s
DS9 is pretty good, but it is a mess. The good episodes of TNG aren't dragged down by the bad ones, which can't be said for a serialized show that lasts for almost a decade

>>81938952
>>81938994
ok, fine two terrible episodes

>>81939087
Her first episode is terrible and her final episode is terrible.

She does her job well, but I don't recommend that anybody try to follow her """storyline""".

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>>81940597
The image that you are posting is an inauthentic photomanipulation. Here now for your edification is an authentic screen capture depicting events exactly as they actually occurred.

You are welcome and have a nice day.

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>>81940788
It's too bad data couldn't make them eskimo sisters.

>>81940566
>>81940597
>>81940711
>>81940788
How did Data get so much pussy?

>>81936826
>It's an "I get hung up on semantics because I have autism" post

>>81941466
Don't be rude.

Somebody with actual autism posted in yesterday's /trek/ thread and now I see your buzzword in a whole new light.

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>>81942146
see
>>81942146

>>81942180
Thanks, will do.

It's a sizable undertaking. I started TNG years ago because of these threads and I'm just now starting season 6. It's best as a show to watch in the background for me. Once in awhile you'll get an episode that makes you give it your full attention like "The Inner Light" which I loved a few days ago and the infamous "sexual organs" episode which I FINALLY saw the other day.

Took a break at S3 for some reason when it finally got better and gave DS9 a shot on netflicks and before you know it I had watched that entire series before finishing S4 of TNG.

Kind of glad that I did now. I can really appreciate seeing 2 more seasons of TNG for the first time.

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who else is getting laid tonight?

>>81942366
I don't need your fantasy women, Q!

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>>81936505
I'm convinced that skipping TNG episodes is a reddit meme. Not every early episode is great, but you're going to miss out on the greatest TV show ever made.

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>>81941466
>It's an "I get hung up on semantics because the writers think that's the best way to write an android" show.

>>81936720
My wife laughed so hard I had to pause the episode when we watched this one a couple weeks back.

>>81941687
>Somebody with actual autism posted in yesterday's /trek/ thread and now I see your buzzword in a whole new light.

I'm sorry, Mr. Highwater, Jr., but that wouldn't be a very scientific appraisal of my analysis of your scant body of work which includes plagiarism and fraud.

>>81936543
This. If you want to watch bernie sanders in space with the same 4 plots recycled over and over again with slightly different aliens and shit actors then TNG might be for you.

>>81938453
>all of star trak
>a couple of months

Fucking how??

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>>81937982
DS9 is only better than the show it originally lifted it's premise from, and that's about it.

Even Star Trek: Equinox is better.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbwX6qZXrA

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>>81942732
>bernie sanders in space

>>81942732
typical /tv/ poster probably just envious of the Trek waifus.

I just found out this week that my parents named me Avery after Avery Brooks.
Keep trekkin bros.
Also, TNG is very worthwhile and has a lot of good moments but there are a few shit episodes sprinkled in there.
OS=TNG=DS9>ENT>VOY

Deep Space Nine is superior. Patrick Stewart is awesome but he carries TNG on his back. The show itself is far too aesopy and has the crusher family in it (need I say more?). DS9 focuses far more on character development and the episodic stories are often part of a larger overarching story.

>>81939136
Please tell me this is not your shitty video anon. This is embarrassing, never do something like this on 4chan ever again.

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>>81942732
>>81942857

>>81937159
>>81942180
>It's a "anons don't know how to use 4chan" episode

>>81942366
Gotta love 80s/90s boob jobs. Just bolt those fuckers right on the chest.

>>81942553
Skipping episodes is a reddit meme. Reddit behavior is not having the patience, discipline, or dedication to watch all a TV show has to offer, in the order it was aired, like a true patrician.

>>81943009
Let me guess, the two outliers are shades of gray and sub-rosa.

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>>81943040
yup

>>81943040
Yes.

While those episodes are bad, you have to remember that IMDB ratings are heavily skewed by the userbase of the site, as they are the ones doing all the reviewing. IMDB is very much a part of "internet culture", and thus is very prone to viral meme infection.

>>81942785
watch for nearly 14-16 hours a day

>>81943117
jesus fucking christ, my neetlife is nowhere near that power level. I have to be a normie and go to work and stuff. Even in my most degenerate moments in college I could only watch about 8 hours a day.

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>>81937162
>I liked "Too Short a Season".
I re-watched that like a month ago. I forgot how weird it felt, especially the scenes on the bridge where there is this weird unspoken dynamic between the Admiral and the guy he had fought years ago on the planet. Then he admits to Happy Gilmore's Gilfmother that he swallowed both their doses and starts reverting.

I love season 1 for it's strange and surreal qualities.

>>81937943
>the royale
You poor sod.

>>81943400
Early shit DS9 really killed the whole franchise, didn't it?

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>>81940908
Data holsters his phaser in that episode like a G.

>>81943555
Where do you get all these webms from?

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>>81943580
I've only made .webms if I really liked certain scenes.

>>81943518
It's not DS9's fault that Voyager and Enterprise had even worse ratings.

>>81943518
A lot of people like to say this, but the reality is that TNG brought in so many people that were not into science fiction or Star Trek at the time; it was a huge phenomenon. Those Nielsen ratings are phenomenal for a TV show on CBS at the time.

When it was time to make a spin-off show, most of the normies tried it out (as you can see by the pilot episode's rating being on par with TNG), then decided not to stick around. TNG was the "normie" Star Trek show of its time. No one wanted to watch some gay shit about Ferengi and Cardassians and some plot blah blah blah who cares? That's what happened.

t. Someone who is old enough that they remember watching TNG on Monday night CBS as a kid.

>>81943638
What do you use to make your webms, if you don't mind me asking? I have Premiere Pro CS6, but I don't think it exports to webm.

>>81943646
Yeah but the normie audience seems to have dropped DS9 like a sack of potatoes, stuck around for the end of TNG and then fucked off forever.

>>81943736
The normies gave Voyager a chance too, and dropped that even lower.

The normies gave Enterprise a chance too, and dropped that even lower.

Voyager and Enterprise have no one to blame but themselves.

>>81943646
>It's not DS9's fault that Voyager and Enterprise had even worse ratings.
Actually, Voyager was far more successful considering the amount of money that went in to DS9 and UPN was Voyager's flagship. DS9

>>81943731
I use WebMConverter but use Camtasia to convert so that I can get rid of the audio.

>>81943736
>>81943777
i'm sorry, the normie audience to star trek? the most typical geek series in all of history that has forever been the butt of jokes by normies? niggaaaaa what

>>81943781
Are you high or drunk or something? Your argument is both nonsensical and unfinished.

>>81943803
Star Trek II, IV, TNG and First Contact are all normiecore.

>>81943812
>Are you high or drunk or something? Your argument is both nonsensical and unfinished.

No, I forgot to add to it. But that's not an argument. DS9 did pour far more funding into keeping it on air in it's first three years of production than Voyager but even if that wasn't the case, DS9 was going to be syndicated and UPN could annex all of the executive producers if necessary.

>>81943812
>annex all of the executive producers if necessary

I think the word I was looking for was veto but more to the point is that Ira and co. had far more room to do what was necessary for the story whereas the Voyager writers and later Enterprisers writers would find out being hamstruck by a network makes it harder to write a good show.

>>81936505
I've always thought Star Trek was super heavy on the socialist narrative.... but it's fairly clever in that if you've already struck the bait, you don't see the hook. Most trekkies don't see how it's a vehicle to preach the wonders of socialism and it couldn't be more obvious to me. Note that this underlying theme is *barely* there in the Original Series (which I do enjoy), but by Next Generation it underscores the plot heavily in every episode.

I like the Original series, hate all other Star Trek. Though to be fair, I didn't watch much of the rest of it. I often watched Next Generation because it was often sandwiched between other things I watched back in the late 80s and early 90s.

>>81943860
>DS9 did pour far more funding into keeping it on air in it's first three years of production than Voyager
Where are you getting this from? The only budget claim I've seen is that Voyager's Caretaker is the most expensive episode in Star Trek's entire history (23 million, more expansive than even The Wrath of Khan).

>DS9 was going to be syndicated and UPN could annex all of the executive producers if necessary.
You're talking nonsense now. DS9 was unconnected with UPN.

>>81943964
>>DS9 did pour far more funding into keeping it on air in it's first three years of production than Voyager
>Where are you getting this from? The only budget claim I've seen is that Voyager's Caretaker is the most expensive episode in Star Trek's entire history (23 million, more expansive than even The Wrath of Khan).

Rick Berman interview from the DS9 dvd and memory alpha. Maybe elsewhere but this also comes from DS9 was far closer to getting cancelled in the end season 2 through end of season 3 as was stated by Ira and in an ST communicator mentioned on memory alpha.

>DS9 was going to be syndicated and UPN could annex all of the executive producers if necessary.
>You're talking nonsense now. DS9 was unconnected with UPN.

No, I meant that for Voyager. That the Voyager executive producers had the spectre of the company's suits overseeing much of what was produced. DS9 was given a greater amount of freedom because of not having that to deal with and Voyager was their flagship prime time show as well.

>>81944100
>and memory alpha
Can you link the article which says DS9 was more expensive?

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>>81936745
I would argue that TOS has actually aged far better than TNG. The overall look of the show is still appealing and the characters are much easier to relate to without all of the overt political correctness that plague later trek shows.

TNG feels very much like a product of the 80's while old trek comes across as a lot more timeless

>>81942868
it's better than voyager

>>81944147
>Can you link the article which says DS9 was more expensive?
I said early on it was more expensive like s1 to s3 per episode, but even then it was just a mention by Rick Berman, and I don't mind not having the source. I'm pretty sure it was from either the DS9 or Voyager DVD. So, no, I don't have it, I would have to look for it.

>>81937159
Babylon 5 is so far inferior to every other version of Star Trek that I think it takes an unsophisticated mind to be compelled by it's really subpar acting, it's cheesy production, and the times bad fantasy writing at times.

I'm watching B5 for the first time and I just got done with probably the first OKAY episode on season 2 and it was literally like a scene from the South Park episode where Cartman is having a psychic battle with other psychics.

The lead is a cheaper facsimile of the original lead, but not really an issue.

The show fails in so many areas, at least when you are comparing it to any Star Trek. But even if we aren't using the lofty and high production standards that was afforded by Paramount to Trek producers and directors and writers, the show falls flatter and more unintentionally comical at times than an 10 year old coke in a Tommy Wiseau interview.

>>81944227
I'm looking over Memory Alpha and I can't see evidence for your claim. I can only see the claim that Voyager (or at least Caretaker) was ridiculously expensive, moreso than anything else Star Trek has ever televised.

It actually makes no sense that DS9 would have costed more, considering that the studio treated Voyager as the flagship show and DS9 as just an afterthought.

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>>81944107
It gave our dads who were bosses at some aluminium company something to throw around to his workers

>>81942146
>fucked Tasha
>figuratively fucked her sister
>figuratively fucked Tasha's daughter

Is Data the greatest enemy for the Yar family?

You're supposed to watch Encounter at Farpoint and jump directly to season 3.

>>81945041
You're supposed to watch Encounter at Farpoint, Elementary Dear Data, A Matter of Honor, The Measure of a Man, Contagion, Q Who and The Emissary, and then you can jump directly to season 3.

>>81943518
DS9 was the Star Trek for the "rebellious" teenagers and that's why it was so different than TNG.

You can see it in the first two episodes and later on on how they tried their hardest to show that "this isn't the Star Trek you parents liked!" with how they went around things.
The first episodes have Sisko literally being mad at Picard and being confrontational, like a child entering his teenager years and rebelling against his father. Later on they keep the theme by having TNG things in the show and Sisko dealing with them in a way that seems like a fuck you to TNG. It's not a surprise it went this way, they tried to appeal to a new fanbase while shitting on their existing one and it didn't pay. Of course DS9 ended up being the most favorite show on this board full of contrarians and edgy menchild and people that would have been teenagers during DS9 original airing.

>>81945113
>and people that would have been teenagers during DS9 original airing
Nothing wrong with that. Were you born after it finished airing, young lad?

>>81936543
holy shit
kill yourself
DS9 is boring garbage

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>>81945094
>leaving out The Neutral Zone
>leaving out Conspiracy
>leaving out Time Squared
>leaving out Where Silence Has Lease
>leaving out The Royale
>leaving out Peak Performance

>>81945483
>expecting people that skipped those seasons to know those episodes

>>81945483
Of your list, I would only include The Neutral Zone, and only for the Borg subplot.

>>81945545
Make the case AGAINST Time Squared.
Make the case AGAINST Where Silence Has Lease.
Make the case AGAINST Peak Performance
..ALL without playing only to specifically it's weaker aspects but as an entire episode.

Of the list I made, those are unpassable true Trek, especially in TNG's vein.

You're going to get a million different opinions on this.

TNG was fine when it was out. But it's aged horribly. I watched it every week during it's first run, but I can't stand to watch it now. As a matter of fact, I find myself preferring the early seasons because they seem more "raw" than the later seasons. Episodes like "Conspiracy", "Peak Performance," "Q Who" and "Matter of Honor" were some of the most FUN TNG episodes. Season 3 onwards is just wooden. There's a few good ones, but it's throwaway stuff; you watch it once and you're done with it.

Same goes with DS9. And god help you if you attempt to watch Voyager.

The only real Trek is TOS. Oddly enough, it's aged better than TNG. You can rag on the beehive hairdos and miniskirts, but the stories were far superior to the sequels. There's a real sense of fun, which is something lacking from the largely humourless TNG.

Watch TOS and ENT. The rest is disposable. Then watch Farscape.

>>81945745
>The only real Trek is TOS.

I swear to god I knew this terrible opinion was being hail maried to me as I was reading that entire second paragraph.

TOS hasn't aged near as well, you know why? Because it's dead. Most of it's actors are dead and it's hardly viewable by anyone under 40 because you could only really enjoy the ENTIRETY of it through nostalgia glasses. There are a rare few that are still exceptional if crude morality plays but the medium with which they are presented and the overall dialogue is from a time our Grandfathers populated television (or men like them).

It hasn't aged better than TNG which is one of the most highly successful syndicated television shows in daytime television history from beyond the golden age. Season 3 and onwards is when it really lifts off and gains it's own success and exists on it's own merits. So I take that "season 3 onwards is just wooden." as a throwaway bait line or just pitiable in considering somehow the characters gain more dimension yet that's wooden.

>>81945607
>Time Squared
Boring.
>Where Silence Has Lease
Boring.
>Peak Performance
The main characters come off as a bunch of whiny assholes. All they do for half the episode is complain about Starfleet forcing them to conduct wargames when they could be off orgying on the holodeck or having transporter malfunctions instead. This is the very same group of people that fought and lost against the Borg. They know that the Borg are coming, and that they're helpless to stop the Borg in the current state. So when Starfleet orders them to start thinking outside the box, they brush it off like it's just a waste of their time. This episode has Gene Roddenberry's drunk, drug-addled, senile fingerprints all over it, by way of his evil gremlin Leonard Maizlish. Of course Wesley gets to be a day-saving wunderkind too, because it wouldn't be Gene's Revolutionary Vision without that. Of course the crew shits all over the Zakdorn, because both the characters and the writers are completely lacking in self awareness. They hate him because he's smug and overconfident, but somehow the writers completely missed the fact that the crew is even more smug and even more overconfident, so it would have been much more preferable to see them getting a wakeup call with the Zakdorn shitting all over them. Instead we got the worst of both worlds. I'm sure you think that "Time Squared" and "Where Silence Has Lease" are only for true patrician intellectuals, or whatever, but "Peak Performance" is definitely an episode that is best watched with your brain turned off.

>>81936675
> Ds9 is utter trash until the last season and maybe some of the second to last.

> being this stupid

>>81945949
>Time Squared
>Boring.
Okay, you just lost because no case was made. It is a mystery piece on time and making decisions against an anomaly that has a link through time. The captain is forced to negotiate with himself. That's not interesting? Finding ANOTHER Picard mysteriously in a shuttlecraft, one that's still in their shuttlebay, with no answers?
Then finding a novel spatial anomaly as the other Picard is coming to.
Fuck off, you're wrong and I used specific reasons not just word shitposting.
>Where Silence Has Lease
>Boring.
Even more mystery against, first, a lack of space, a potential intelligence, another Starfleet ship, the forced will of an unstoppable force using the Enterprise members' lives as a way to understand them because of the entity's utter alienness.
Again, if that episode's boring, maybe you actually don't like Trek because it's essentially a Trek script and executed well.

>The main characters come off as a bunch of whiny assholes. All they do for half the episode is complain about Starfleet forcing them to conduct wargames __when they could be off orgying on the holodeck or having transporter malfunctions instead__.
No hyperbole in making a legitimate case for or against something.
> This is the very same group of people that fought and lost against the Borg. They know that the Borg are coming, and that they're helpless to stop the Borg in the current state. So when Starfleet orders them to start thinking outside the box, they brush it off like it's just a waste of their time.
No you missed Worf's line about there not being anything on the line but I agree with you half way through the rest of your assessment. It did reek at times of a typical Gene-o episode when Wesley just casually is allowed to steal Dilithium, but it worked it's way up to a legitimate threat that came back to Worf's line. Something occurred that forced them to improvise in a real time threatening situation. Not great one but still an entertaining episode.

>>81945914
>TNG which is one of the most highly successful syndicated television shows in daytime television history from beyond the golden age. Season 3 and onwards is when it really lifts off and gains it's own success and exists on it's own merits.

Picard and Riker were the only two characters that were even partially interesting. Data's Pinnochio storyline and Worf's "muh honor" arc were cringy, and Crusher, Geordi and Troi were boring. Fuck, they could've replaced Picard with Jellico and maybe it would've breathed some life into the last couple seasons.

There's a reason that when they rebooted Trek, it was Captain Kirk. It's because the original show is iconic. The women were hotter, the stories and acting were better, and the writing was superior in TOS.

The rest is just LARPing. At least ENT was FUN at times. TNG's attempts at "fun" were way off the mark ("I am NOT a merry man ahahahahaha), and DS9 and VOY were just miserable.

And to bring age into it is ridiculous, since TNG went off the air 23 years ago. It's not like we're debating Degrassi here.

>>81946205
>Again, if that episode's boring, maybe you actually don't like Trek
>No hyperbole in making a legitimate case for or against something.
Lol.

>>81936543
piew piew watch ds9, it's almost like star wars in the later seasons what with the massive space battles and use of the force by the ssisko

>>81946279
No, I'm serious. You said it was boring. No explanation. No specific examples. And it has Star Trek written all over it.

Sorry, that's like the opposite of hyperbole, go look the word up since it obviously doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>81946348
You are not conducting your end of the discussion in good faith. Goodnight.

>>81946275
>Data's Pinnochio storyline and Worf's "muh honor" arc were cringy
>the original show is iconic
>The women were hotter
>TNG's attempts at "fun" were way off the mark

Bravo on making me think you had opinions but that they were genuine. If for only A post.

>>81936826
No, it's called Star Trek, implying it's part of the franchise known as Star Trek.

>>81945914
>TOS hasn't aged near as well, you know why? Because it's dead. Most of it's actors are dead and it's hardly viewable by anyone under 40 because you could only really enjoy the ENTIRETY of it through nostalgia glasses
Your argument is nonsensical and retarded. And what does TNG being the most succesful syndicated show have to do with anything?

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>>81946322
>it's almost like star wars
the crossover episode was 2dope

I'm not gonna bother reading this thread because I just KNOW it's going to be filled with triggered garbage whining that Trek/TNG is "socialist" or liberal but I'm just going to tell you it's redpilled as FUCK and if you don't see that you either haven't watched it or your head is so far up the leftist cognitive dissonance hole you'll never get it.
If you watch TNG and pay attention to the actual values they espouse you'll discover it's an excellent show for showing the benefits of strong conservative cultural values.

>>81947229
Tos hasn't aged well because it is literally 50+ years old written by Gene 'let every script have a different version of god' for most of it's run. It was best when they weren't getting too cute with the audience or playing to 60s tv audiences with bad cliches of what a russian might look like. it's just a hard watch unless you are really into trek to begin with or saw it as a child/teenager

>>81947377
>If you watch TNG and pay attention to the actual values they espouse you'll discover it's an excellent show for showing the benefits of strong conservative cultural values.

Yeah, i think letting a planet of pre-warpers die from a cure they don't have but we do would be considered some sort of genocide to be presented to today's lefty lens audience

If you watch ANY of it, watch the borg two-parter (you cunts know what I'm talking about). It is the DEFINITIVE part of any trek, in any series.

>>81947774

Shit, I forgot the original Trek pilot exists. That as well is at the top.

"The Cage"

>>81945745

>Farscape

Go chase that kangaroo you've been dying to fuck, Burt.

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I've been rewatching TNG for the first time since I watched it as a kid on Spike TV years ago. Season 1 and 2 seem so different from the rest of the show. At times they seem like reworked TOS episodes, at times it seems like a show that's really breaking boundaries, and kind of edgy for the 1980s. The score is very electronic and not the orchestral of later episodes, and it's a shame that they didn't continue with music like that in later seasons. The effects look incredible, the saucer separation in the pilot, holy shit. Now I can fully appreciate how difficult that must have been to pull off, and why they barely ever did it again. The green screen also looks amazing, in the episode with the Bynars, when you see the crew on the starbase with the Enterprise docked behind them, it looks so real, there's such depth there that it looked more like a matte painting than green screen.

Overall the first two seasons are pretty terrible compared to what comes later, but there are some elements, a handful of little things here and there that I wish had been kept in later seasons. There's a definite sense of crisp "newness" and modernity to these episodes that are not this keenly felt in seasons 1-7.

>>81936505
The first season is terrible and the only reason why TNG wasn't discontinued after the first season was because it was out of competition in the late 80s.
Season 2 is a bit better and Season 3 justified the existence.

>>81947867
>The score is very electronic and not the orchestral of later episodes, and it's a shame that they didn't continue with music like that in later seasons.
The composer's name is Ron Jones, and executive producer Rick Berman fired him because Ron's scores were too noticeable and Rick wanted something more generic and unobtrusive.

Rick Berman is Star Trek's Satan, in case you hadn't already heard.

>>81947867

>At times they seem like reworked TOS episodes

They literally are. A lot of it is shit that the TOS writers saved up and didn't have the chance to do.

>>81948046
Yeah, but mostly in S1 and 2. Roddenberry was a lazy fuck who just used unused scripts from TOS for a large amount of episodes in the first 2 seasons. Mostly on the episodes with Riker as main character.

>people always say Starfleet is socialist
>is actually fascist

>>81942857
This is pretty unfair. Brent Spiner and John deLancie are actually very good in their roles. And DS9 has very stupid stories too. The stupid romance storyline. The way Odo was handled after the female changeling showed up. Come on

>>81945113
>The first episodes have Sisko literally being mad at Picard and being confrontational, like a child entering his teenager years and rebelling against his father.

Picard literally murdered his wife!

>>81948506
that was Locutus
also Sisko is the dumb one who brought his entire family on a fucking ship knowing all the possible disasters that could happen

>>81943223
I played Persona 3 for 20 hours straight a few days ago

>>81948546
>that was Locutus
Which is why Sisko learns his lesson and corrects his behavior in their following meeting.

>also Sisko is the dumb one who brought his entire family on a fucking ship knowing all the possible disasters that could happen
That's how all of Starfleet behaved, not just Sisko.

>>81948506
>>81948546

That was Avery Brooks being a fucking drama queen. He insisted on pulling the black angle in that episode where they helped take back the casino for that holosuite character. I'd rather drink a can of paint than take his class at Rutgers.

>>81936505
It's the greatest show ever.

except for the first season

and all the wesley episodes
and the holodeck episodes
and the deanna's mom episodes
and the dr. crusher episodes
and the dr. pulaski episode
and some of the klingon episodes

but other than all that it's GOAT

>>81948612
The "black angle" lasts ten seconds, then his girlfriend tells him to shut up and fuck off with that angle, and he does.

Quit making a mountain out of a molehill.

>>81948604
>everyone is acting stupid
>this justifies me

No, not really. You just have to read some random report from a starship to know it's not a place for a family. Picard was righ in the first episode when he said "wtf they gave me a ship full of children are they retarded?" or something like that

>>81948670

Except he had a whole episode about being a black journalist before the civil rights movement. Which was totally retarded and completely unnecessary.

>>81948700
And it was a great episode. I'm sorry if that offends you.

>>81940566
>>81940597
>>81940788
I love how Worf walks past Ishara and gives her a once over because he noticed that camel toe.

>>81948747

It doesn't offend me, it annoys me. Although I will admit that it was great seeing the actors out of their alien makeup for once.

>>81948765

He was slinging that Klingon dick on the down low the whole time.

>>81947325

>hold on a minute while we make Jake relevant again

Every time he appeared.

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99 RED BALLOONS
FLOATING IN THE SUMMER SKY

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>>81948281

Tomato potato clamato.

>>81948815
Apparently, Brent Spiner alluded to fucking Beth Toussaint off set in an interview. I'm hoping to find that interview.

>>81949039
>fucking Beth Toussaint off set

As opposed to on set?

>>81945113
Hello again anti-DS9 guy. we all always knew you didn't watch very far into the series but did you really turn it off before even finishing the pilot? That's so embarrassing for you.

>>81950923
>it's a "literally quoting what happens in the episode doesn't count because I say so" episode

>>81951053
Can you prove you aren't a troll? I have no interest in discussing anything with you otherwise as that's all you appear to be.

>>81951146
How I am supposed to do that if anything I said is considered trolling?

Yes Siskos gets "over it" as in one minute scene as compared to all the time he spends being antagonistic and straight up an asshole to Picard
It also happened in the second episode if I remember right so you were already supposed to be hooked in at that point.
Also you can't disprove the fact that all the time they have something from TNG is to belittle it or to show how different is this crew.

>>81947774
Going straight into Best of Both Worlds would be such a monumental waste, that episode only has impact because of the emotional attachment you have to the characters by that point and the threat you know is posed by the Borg from seeing them in previous episodes.

>>81951212
>all the time he spends being antagonistic and straight up an asshole to Picard
Also one scene.

>It also happened in the second episode if I remember right so you were already supposed to be hooked in at that point.
Episode 1 and 2 are a single double length episode like Encounter at Farpoint.

>Also you can't disprove the fact that all the time they have something from TNG is to belittle it
You're making shit up now.

>or to show how different is this crew.
Crime of the century, everything and everyone should be exactly the same!

>>81951348
this is not true, almost the entire first episode is about Sisko's frustration and him rethinking about the Borg attack, Picard and how mad he is

>>81951454
Stop lying

>>81951491
I am not lying, maybe I a misremembering things but I am not lying

>>81936505
>Be truthful, is the next generation worth watching?
yes it is

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Star Trek in general is trash, but The Original Series is worth watching in the restored form because it's a cheap sci-fi production from the 1960s. They had little to base it on, visually. They use painted wooden blocks as some sort of USB sticks except they control panels by also switching around the blocks. It's so bizarre. The acting is something out of a theatre production, also bizarre. It will entertain a modern person on its bizarrity alone. it doesn't feel like a production because it's so bizarre.

>>81951955
To explain the effect more, it's something similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQIIto2Q1ng

>>81951955

It's trash but it's trash that I can't fucking stop watching. It's so bad that it's deliciously good. It's like a papa john's pizza.

>god a fucking hate this so much
>give me another slice

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>>81936505
I'm watching DS9 right now, and while it's not as bad as a lot of people like to say it's a completely different beast when compared to TNG.

I think TNG is still my favorite, and where it has some bad episodes it makes up for it with amazing ones. (I think the ones surrounding Data's rights were always my favorite).

That being said, I thought DS9 did character development really well. Although, this was just a side effect of it being much more similar to a drama, with overarching storylines and relationships.

I don't know what you can compare it too. But I've watched TOS and the three leads were probably the best. Nothing can ever replace the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy bromance. The episodes use much heavier metaphor to make sure you get it, but they're still fun.

I have yet to watch VOY or ENT to give you a comparison based on them.

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>look up some of the worst TNG episodes
>see a list that includes "Fistful of Datas"

I didn't think normies exists, but if you don't like that episode you can fucking leave this board.

>>81952434
>That being said, I thought DS9 did character development really well. Although, this was just a side effect of it being much more similar to a drama, with overarching storylines and relationships.
I think this is basically because Gene wasn't involved at all and his "no inter-personal conflict" mandate was never in effect.

Right off the bat, you have Kira not liking Sisko because he's an invader and she's a nationalist, then Bashir because of how badly he puts his foot in his mouth about the state of Bajor, then the fact that there's a civilian population whose never even had real contact with Starfleet means there isn't even necessarily common ground with them, and Starfleet butt heads with Quark, Garak, Odo and Kira all the time because of it.

It's great seeing real people in a Star Trek setting for once. TNG is a great vision for what could happen if humans could be fixed, but DS9 is better because the characters all show flaws and emotions you can relate to.

>>81952555
Everyone loves Data, but I've seen no evidence that robots love Alexander, and it's very heavy on him.

>>81952651
Gene Roddenberry had a rule about that?

Is there a source? I'm curious, that sounds like a weird rule.

>>81951454
>>81951548
The episode opens at Wolf 359 from Sisko's perspective then you get a 5 years later and go to the present. 15 minutes later he meets Picard and he's short with him, they part company and an hour later sisko meets the Prophets who are talking through his memories of Picard and Locutus, and showing him flashbacks of Jennifer dying. After he comes out the wormhole, it's not mentioned again and he's civil with Picard in their last scene together.

>>81947867
You might have been watching the remastered versions

>>81952651
TNG characters had plenty of flaws

>>81952875
That's been the scuttlebutt on the internet for a while, looking into it the only interview I can find is this one:

http://trekmovie.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-david-gerrold-talks-frankly-about-tng-conflicts-with-roddenberry-berman-jj-trek-more/

But it was also mentioned in a bunch of books and articles too so it seems fairly well established, or at least not denied.

>>81953157
Dang, that's almost sad.

It's a risk, but it has so much reward when pulled off.

>it's a mind control episode
Entire crew should be insane from the amount of mindrape they recieved.

>>81953155
I suppose, but the ones from the Gene era were really trivial

>Picard isn't good with kids
>Yarr sometimes talks without thinking

They aren't so much flaws as lacking perfection in one specific area of their character, unlike

>O'Brien is basically racist against Cardassians
>Sisko is hot tempered to the point of violence/genocide

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>>81953157
>From a philosophical perspective, it would be fair to say that by the time The Next Generation came around, Gene was more about the notion that conflict would no longer occur among the crew of the Enterprise, and that lack of dramatic tension boxed in the writers…
>David Gerrold: Well that came from Gene’s lawyer [Leonard Maizlish], a scumbag of a human being. I cannot say enough things – he was a truly evil human being. He was going to be Gene’s helper on the show.

I love hearing stories about this guy. Pic related.

>>81953334
you forgot Picard being arrogant, especially when talking about humans
plus his obsession with his career
an excessive adherence to starfleet regulations
etc.

Geordie, Worf and Riker too had flaws
Troi and Crusher less but still some

Data was the only one without glaring flaws because of its nature

>>81953439
>you forgot Picard being arrogant, especially when talking about humans
>plus his obsession with his career
If Picard had that flaw then so did every other human in Starfleet.

>an excessive adherence to starfleet regulations
"Would it surprise you to learn that you have violated the Prime Directive a total of nine times since you took command of the Enterprise? I must say, Captain, it surprised the hell out of me."

>Geordie, Worf and Riker too had flaws
>Troi and Crusher less but still some
In the Gene era though? Worf's flaws were related to him being a Klingon, and I can't think of any from early TNG for the others.

>>81953602
that line worked because it literally was never his fault if the prime directive got violated

>>81936505
Its worth watching at least
Maybe just stick to an episode guide
Has not aged very well

The HD version shows how ugly it is, carpeted everything and everything is beige. Aesthetically its the worst Trek, hard to look at.

Picard and Data are the only real characters

Geordi is black guy who cant get laid, also sometimes it remembers he is supposed to be blind

Troi is there for tits, is supposed to love Riker or something but its only mentioned like 3 times in the series

Guinan is the wise black lady and the real Ships counseler

Riker is supposed to be fun and laid back according to how the characters talk about him but he is actually just a really angry prick.

Worf is "muh honor" and has to wait until DS9 to become a character

Dr. Crusher is there. I could not tell you a single thing about her character and I have seen the series like 4 times.

Wesley is a self insert fanfic character who is shipped off somewhere when the show gets good.

>>81952651
>>81952875
That explains a lot, TNG characters were so one dimensional.

>>81954432

Troi was bringing that pussy like a predator but most dudes were like "nope, jesus christ you're beyond annoying, if I fuck you I'm actually going to have to listen to you."

>>81954542

High impact, psychopath pussy was Triot.

No series of Star Trek is good. There are a couple of decent episodes at best. Almost the entirety of it is garbage.

>>81954608
I agree

but they are all comfy except for ENT

>calls itself star trek
>sits on a space station
>not trekking the stars
dropped

>>81951955
their computer panels, if they're anything similar to those in the engineering deck of TNG, are made to use some kind of futuristic punch-card system.
i'm not far into it currently, but only a couple episodes in features the whole punch-card system of the engineering deck taken apart, and data was needed to replace them in their original order, which implies that they each contain a sequence or program, and that only arranged in a particular sequence will it function correctly.
it's a very strange system they used, and i suppose it's meant to mirror the punch-cards prevalent in early computing that the sci-fi geeks around at the origin of star-trek would be able to recognise and relate to.

>>81954396
>le worf isn't a character until ds9 meme
>let me forget all the episodes with Alexander or the other klingons where Worf learns things and evolves as a character

Why are DS9 fans so desperate? They always have to lie and try to make it look like DS9 is the only series that did something.

>b-b-ut he beat people in an arena in DS9! this is character growth!

>>81955520
>Remember when he got a son he didn't want in one episode then sent him away because he still didn't want him a few episode later? Character growth!

Your ability to cry out in pain while you attack others will never cease to amaze me.

>>81955696
Said the one lying while accusing others of doing it. It's amazing how in your retarded mind attacking my character instead of the argument I make is a sign of victory. I am just going to assume you didn't actually watch TNG because Worf learns to like Alexander and to be his father in the various episodes.

Now come up with another "witty" remark about myself instead of addressing my point or whine as usual because someone is mean to the poor DS9 fans.

>>81936843
I started to watch yesterday and was about to drop it, i will give it another go with S3 than.

>>81955816
>the one lying while accusing others of doing it
>Why are DS9 fans so desperate?
>in your retarded mind
>attacking my character instead of the argument

This is 10/10 shitposting now, I've never seen your game this good

Now come up with another "witty" remark about myself instead of addressing my point or whine as usual because someone calls you out for your constant "muh DS9 fans" posts you make without any provocation whatsoever, then go on to mention it's just because someone was rude to you 7 years ago.

>>81955969
If anything I attacked both, meanwhile you as usual deflect any criticism trying to turn this into an argument about myself

At least I am glad you dropped the debate about Worf after being proven wrong. It's the right step about becoming a more honest person, I am glad for you.

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>>81956011
I understand if that's the impression you got from Memory Alpha, but if you saw the episodes you'd know what we were talking about. It's okay, kiddo.

>>81938994
If you've never seen an episode of TNG before it's OK.

Source: Shades of Grey was my introduction to TNG

I dont know how to make a direct reply but the "Is Data the greatest enemy for the Yar family" post was really quite funny.

>>81956102
I did watch TNG, unlike you, that's why I can disprove your bullshit

>>81956173
>Claims to have watched TNG
>Doesn't even know that Worf sent Alexander away for being a massive disappointment
You know we're not talking about Degrassi, right?

1. Anti-DS9/ENTposter guy
2. Dad
3. The Estate of Jamake Highwater/Autistic Fellow
4. Image Macro Man
are there any other recurring posters ive missed?

>>81956200
>still memeing

So did you just skip the episodes or are you the one reading synopsis?

>>81956223
>1. Anti-DS9/ENTposter guy

I never said anything about ENT

>>81956223
That sounds about right for now. I never thought I'd say it, but I actually miss BashirFaggot. At least you could hide his posts when he was being annoying.

>>81956223
Jonathan Fakes (the one who owns a RealDoll and dresses it up like celebrities and fucks it).

Daily reminder that interlibrary loan exists.

>>81956106
I hadn't seen most of S1 and S2 when I watched "Shades of Grey" so I was moderately intrigued by it. It's a total waste to someone who is watching in chronological order, though.

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>>81956257
The Anti-DS9 spammer and the Pro-Enterprise spammer have basically the same deal.

Both have valid viewpoints (DS9 had some flaws, and Enterprise is underrated), but both are incapable of expressing themselves without endless reposts and attacking the rest of fandom.

>>81957745
I've rewatched TNG twice and always skip Shades of Grey. Just saying, on first encounter, being completely unaware, it was alright.

The only good clipshow is Samurai Champloo's.

>>81957816
Both DS9 and enterprise were shit scraped off TOS and TNG's shoes.

confusion is a tactic

>>81957960
>Hollywood isn't original and won't throw away pre-written scripts
Colour me surprised. Why doesn't TNG and Voyager get the same criticism from you though, hmmm?

>>81950923
>anti-DS9 guy
Keep thinking it's one guy there ace.

>>81951955

There were so many episodes of the original show that I would watch thinking that it would be perfect for Mst3k. It's pretty damned bad and I don't understand how most people like it except for it's novelty.

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>Picard calls religion "Dark ages of ignorance, superstition, and fear", and actively campaigns against an alien race falling prey to it yet again
>Tells the ebil Cardassian that interrogates him that his daughter's belly is full, but her spirit is empty, because the Cardassians had the gall to abandon religion because it gave them nothing but hunger, and plague.

Explain this, trekkies.

>>81959163
It's been 7 years. Get a new hobby.

Just finished TAS and it was really amusing.

Are there any other animes that evoke the Star Trek feeling? Already watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

>>81959408
The third season of Enterprise is a remake of Space Battleship Yamato.

>>81959315
>It's been 7 years. Get a new hobby.

You are literally responding to another guy who did not like DS9. Now go make a post about something else.

>>81959304
>because the Cardassians had the gall to abandon religion
It's been a long time since I saw that episode but I'm certain that's now what he said and I bet you are too.

>>81959456
Here is the clip, my man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ3EDTYZTOU

>>81959452
If you just don't like DS9, that's fine. If you spend all your time whining about DS9's fans, then you need to get a new hobby. It's been 7 years since that incident. Move on already.

>>81959521
Do you not see the irony of "you need to get a new hobby" then you just keep responding and responding and responding to people who talk ill of your favourite show?
You are obsessed with responding and needing to defend any post that is against it.
You need to get a new life because this is far more than a hobby for you.

>>81936505

DS9 ripped off a better show. Babylon 5 is better in every way. Even B5's first season is more tolerable than DS9's.

>>81959575
I enjoy responding

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>>81959501
He's mostly talking about the military taking over the Cardassian government and its influence on the culture of Cardassia and the upbringing of their children, the reference to spirituality is just that it was a higher defining characteristic of their culture than it currently is, not that they're all atheists now.

And we know there is a Cardassian religion and at least some of the military leaders believe it, Dukat made some references to it in the episode where he and Kira go looking for the Ravenok, so it could even be a theocratic military government, ala Starship Troopers 3 or Warhammer. They're very secretive so we just don't know.

>>81959501
He doesn't say anything about religion

>>81959575
Nothing is wrong with attacking DS9. All Star Treks have their flaws and they deserve to be called out. You just need to learn to restrict yourself to talking about just the Star Trek and not its fans.

Like when I criticize Voyager, I say "Voyager's writers are stupid", and I don't say "Voyager's fans are stupid" because that would be an unnecessary attack which only distracts from the main point.

And I certainly don't justify my behavior by saying that a Voyager fan hurt my feelings in 2010, the way that you justify your behavior by saying that a DS9 fan hurt your feelings in 2010 so you've spent 7 years retaliating against all DS9 fans.

Move on already.

>>81959761
*Move along home already

>>81959796
The people that meme up Move Along Home as some sort of """kino""" are as insufferable as the people who do the same for The Royale and Sub Rosa.

>>81959709
>He's mostly talking about the military taking over the Cardassian government and its influence on the culture of Cardassia and the upbringing of their children, the reference to spirituality is just that it was a higher defining characteristic of their culture than it currently is, not that they're all atheists now.
So? Before Riker is transferred to the Klingon ship, Picard comments how there is "so much to learn" from them, a violent species that believes it is normal to die in battle, and despises people that wither away from old age. They teach that to their children as well, so why doesn't he condemn them?

I find it completely out of character that he condemns Cardassian society because it's different.

>>81959913
Because the Klingons aren't torturing him.

Maybe he should try buttering up Madred during their hourly torture sessions.
>Dude Cardassia is so great lmao, you guys are the best, way superior to everyone else in the galaxy, I bow down and submit before you, lemmego pls.

>>81959904
I enjoy these memes for several reasons.

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>>81959904
Sub Rosa is a bad episode but The Royale and Move Along Home are great comedy episodes with serious and interesting stories underneath. When did you last watch either?

>>81936505

>>81936543
don't listen to DS9 fags
their plot is the least coherent in all of trek, all thats interesting is the cast and the space shenanigans happening with them
the whole shit about the wormhole, bajor, cardassia and the prophets and spheres is the worst thing ever in trek. Like as if it was just dumbed down for retards, le spaec artifact just accept it. Whereas the TNG crew would explain how and why it's there scientifically.

In any case, TNG is the only trek worth watching, it got off to a rocky start but really kicks in by the 3rd season, though 1st and 2nd also have many wortwhile episodes.
TOS is kind of repetetive with each episode being a horror movie scenario and the crew makes it work since they're such fun static stereotypes.
DS9 isn't all bad, but it's hardly the star trek experience you'd want to have, judge it as a Spin-off and watch it in case you want more after TNG
and VOY is alright, again, it's stupid, but it's at least trek.

>>81960101
>le spaec artifact just accept it. Whereas the TNG crew would explain how and why it's there scientifically.
They did that in the pilot m8, didn't you watch that?

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>>81960067
>mfw someone defends this shit

>>81936543
>Thinking the Babylon 5 rip-off by talentless hacks is any good
kek

>>81959761
Who are you talking to?
As I said to you, I'm not who you think I am, I just don't like DS9. And I like Voyager even less. So who do you think you are talking to?
You must think there are people in the shadows of your home conspiring against you that aren't there.

>>81960163
i did, it was a dreadfully slow and pointless episode that did nothing other than make me hate the show straight away.
>le station is trashed
>le retarded nigg meets space people that babble about time and are never brought up again until much later
>le two of the most boring races in trek, Cardassians and Bajorians
>muh wife dead ;_;
>muh leave starfleet behind ;_;
>none of this gets brought up again until ages later
>piss filter and baseball

It may just be the worst trek pilot ever, TNG's was boring until Q showed up, but it at least introduced us to the crew, and Q was cool, and gets used often enough to warrant him being in the pilot
the plot is simple and is kinda pushed aside as the b story but is actually pretty cool and very very trek like

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>>81960235
What don't you like about it? The mystery? The explanation? The escape? The comedy?

There is no part of The Royale which isn't great.

>>81947867
late but still
>looked more like a matte painting than green screen
True, you can literally see the backround painted onto the walls of the set in some episodes, totally ruined my immersion.

>>81938453
i finished TNG in under a month but i can't imagine doing the same with TOS, DS9 and VOY which are all less watchable.

>>81938520
which one was that?

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>>81960283
Remember that time when you got caught pretending to be someone else? You kept referring to yourself in the third person, but then you got [triggered] and reverted to first person.

Good times.

>>81960568
"Code of Honor" S01E04

Why do DS9 attack the other shows so much? I really like DS9 and love TNG, but the DS9 fans on the internet are so offputing.

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TOS is fun, I finished it pretty quicky but going through TNG feels like such a drag, it's just not as fun as TOS.

>>81960851
Take a break from it. If you watch it making comparisons, it will be shit. Also, TNG gets soooo much better later

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>>81960926
>If you watch it making comparisons, it will be shit.
Pretty hard not to do seeing how it's got the same name. I'm on S2 right now. I'll be taking everyone's word for it that it gets better after S3. I've been watching for 2 months now so I have to find motivation to keep going.

>>81961067
Sure. But TOS is still fresh on your mind. That's why the comparisons really stand out for you

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>>81960731
You responded to two people with a five hour differential in their posting time. You need inpatient care at a psychiatric hospital, the walls aren't your enemy!

>>81960235
>Worf wondering why room service called
>The purposefully corny Mickey D subplot
>Data pissing off Noble Willingham because he wouldn't show him his car
>Picard being forced to read that shitty novel

not liking it is one thing but to call it bad seems weird to me

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>>81956223
>3. The Estate of Jamake Highwater

I still can't believe that this is an argument that has taken place, multiple times, on 4chan of all places

>>81961067
Do it for the characters. Seeing them grow and evolve makes it all worthwhile in the end.
>that episode where Data overcomes his programming, develops emotions and gives a moving speech on the importance of friendship
>that episode where Riker says goodbye to his friends and moves on to command his own starship
>that episode where Picard apologizes to Worf and acknowledges that Worf was doing a great job protecting the ship and crew
>that episode where Beverly tells Wesley that she shouldn't force him into Starfleet and he has to find his own path
>that episode where Geordi proposes to his long-time girlfriend and she says yes
>that episode where Troi eats chocolate and complains about her mother
So good... so good...

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>>81961253
>dark like my katra

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>>81956223
>>81957449
>this is an actual poster in Star Trek threads

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>>81952681
It was voted funniest episode by /trek/

>>81961922
What's your joke? The Other: Say In Thread was specifically for the Move Along Home crowd.

>>81961889
>Outrageous Okana not an opiton

>>81961968
Never mind, I'm a Pakled.

>>81957816
Dude, I think your autism is worse in that whoever those guys are (Entspammer is easy to spot but the rest I dont know) they are at least not here every hour of every day to be able to point at idiosyncracies in so many of their posts to be able to catalogue them all specifically. That's pretty sad.

>>81960757
Shit, i forgot about that episode completely, it was so dumb but fun too

>>81962071
>How dare you notice a spammer using the same language you can easily search in the archive
Yeah, definitely autism.

>>81960851
I'm completely the opposite
it took me 2 months to finish TOS and the 6 movies and under a month to finish TNG
and TNG is twice as big

>>81962071
I never said that I don't have autism. I just try to use my autism constructively, by calling out the few posters who use their autism to attack the rest of fandom and make the threads a worse place. Sure, I'm wasting my life, but it's my life to waste and there are worse ways to waste it (like being one of them).

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>>81961430
But none of those things ever happened, except the crusher - wesley thing
is this a complex bait?

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Tell me about Rul the Obscure, why does he wear the mask?

Season 1 and 2 suck, the show was still finding its footing.

>>81962250
Even that didn't happen.

Wesley's rapist convinced him to quit Starfleet, not his mom.

>>81953410
>And the lawyer was also telling people “Dave is mentally ill too.” They paid for that. He repeated that to a reporter for the LA Times and my lawyer called him and said “what kind of car do you drive?” and he said “what do you mean?” and he said “because David is going to own it when we get finished suing you.”

One of the most savage things I have heard

>>81956200
>You know we're not talking about Degrassi, right?
Why is this posted twice in this thread?
What is the joke I'm missing here?

>>81962511
Degrassi also had a sequel series titled The Next Generation. It pissed me off when I came across it on the TV Guide Channel

>>81962511
They just found out about Degrassi: The Next Generation and they think they're being clever.

>>81962511
There's a TV show called Degrassi: The Next Generation which is also referred to as TNG

>>81962568
>>81962575
>>81962578
I can see I'm not alone, I can face the unknown.

>that retarded In The Hands Of The Prophets episode in DS9
Just fucking no
advocating for religion can not be in Star Trek
Roddenberry had a vision that religion would be dismissed as superstition in star trek, not praised or respected
If anything, those bajoran fucks should fuck off, they are way too undeveloped and primitive as a species, i don't see how it matters to the Federation where they get slaughtered or not, so long as they can control the wormhole

>>81960851
I agree with this guy
>>81962169
Tos felt like a chore and I only finished it because of how big I was into the overall franchise
I even waited months between finishing Enterprise before watching it because my previous experiences found it a labour and crude in its presentation of the various stories

>>81962648
But their gods are actually real

>>81962648
Roddenberry's vision only applies to humans. Sisko only tells Jake and Keiko to respect their beliefs, not adopt them.

>>81962648
>In The Hands Of The Prophets
>advocating for religion
>praised or respected
Did we watch the same episode? The one where a religious nutjob starts a controversy then causes her dumb countrymen to mutiny against Starfleet, then she sets a bomb off in a school so she can lure her political rival to the station to assassinate him?

THAT advocating for religion? THAT praise and respect?

>>81962575
>they
It's clearly one guy repeating the same unfunny joke but at least I get it now.

>>81962775
>guy
I post gender-neutrally, as Goddenberry would have wanted.

>watching tos
>getting somewhat aroused at the scantily clad 60s women
>realize they are as old as my grandma now
>get a full blown erection

>>81962648
What is this strange correlation between low-quality posts and messing up your carriage returns?

>>81937859
emissary and Q Who are great too

>>81962838
You post way too frequently.

>>81963057
>Ctrl+F "they"
>70 results
Is this cishetmale genocide?

>>81961067
he looks like jfk here

>>81957657
I sure would take a Concerning Flight between same-city libraries

>>81964018
This reference works on so many levels. At least 4.7 levels for sure.

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

>>81964932
C L A S S I C shitpost performed flawlessly. Trust only the original, accept no imitations.

>>81964932
is it true xhe was named after Soren
Kierkegaard, the 19th century poet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard

>>81962262
S2 sucking is a meme. It's at least half good.

>>81936505
yeah it's good. the later seasons, mainly.

>>81936543
i can't conceive of the confusion that must be present in a mind like this

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>>81966836

>>81965563
yeah sure, why not.

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garbo serie for garbo people