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Bran

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First post for Azor Ahai and Best character

>>81908546
>betamax faggot and literal cuck

lel kill yourself

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Lady Stoneheart?

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5th for best mummy in westeros and /ourgirl/

>>81908569
more like lady stonedick

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>Jaime isn't his favorite character

sad imo

Why did Aegon name both his daughters Osha?

>>81908574
I never read the books, but I read some quotes of Catelyn, and her extended biography, and she seems like a fucking bitch

>>81908574
>reminder that strawpoll put Arianne as /got/'s #2 girl

>>81908574
cat is a huge cunt

fuck off

>>81908596
show jaime is a bitch

>>81908569
Ronny StoneCock

>>81908619
>>81908607
Hello greenhandfags. Long time no shill.

>>81908596
you're in for a rough season

>>81908643
Cat was a god damn moron

>>81908574
if she's such a great mummy why are almost all her children mentally challenged?

>>81908668
>you are now aware that Cat is a slut who took a creampie seconds before allowing the maester into her bedchamber

>>81908646
I know Q_Q

>>81908693
if she was to command luwin to lick her clean, is he dutifully obliged to do it?

>>81908693
>Dude shes a slut because her husband fucked her

>>81908703
>implying she didn't do so to cuck Ned for fathering Jon with his sister

>>81908712
you aware how much mess sex makes? you don't think it's pretty slutty not to clean up somewhat before admitting an elderly man?

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What did the clouds mean by this?

>>81908778
is this real?

>>81908574
>brienne still not the best

>>81908774
He's probably a virgin

>>81909080
true, but then porn should give a general idea, there's a reason they're called skanks after all.

>>81908774
Not that much mess. She doesn't really get that wet and I finish up in like 30/40 pumps.

>>81908598
Looks like a new meme post.

Anyone got the new Melisandre preggo nudes?

>>81908774
sex doesnt have to make that much mess, esp if it's a quickie. i go raw in my wife and a towel will pretty much get all of it up in 10 seconds

>>81909609
A towel? I use two sheets of two ply if I've had my breakfast. Don't get old.

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>>81908774
>you aware how much mess sex makes?

>>81908574
This
Cerseifags fuck off and take your kettleblack cumdumpster with you

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>>81908693
>"No," Catelyn said. "We will need your counsel." She threw back the furs and climbed from the bed. The night air was as cold as the grave on her bare skin as she padded across the room.
>Maester Luwin averted his eyes. Even Ned looked shocked. "What are you doing?" he asked.
l-lewd

>>81908574
According to this poll further revisions are required.
http://www.strawpoll.me/12780676/r

>>81910494
The guy did see five human beings come out of her vagina.

>>81910539
that bit is actually confusing
wtf was he doing at riverrun?

>>81910525
>arianne second
poll compromised and discounted
no changes will be made

>>81910597
She does have the most responsive nipples though.

>>81909453
>I finish up in like 30/40 pumps
I wonder why she doesn't get that wet...

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>>81908526
Any news about Winds of Winter?

>>81911004
It's not out yet.

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>>81908541
Meera

>>81911004
Yeah it got cancelled for a set of twenty new wildcards books

>>81911015
And you call it a "news"?

>>81911028
So long to the only non degenerate YAAAAAAAAAAAS SLAAY QUEEEEN female character on the show.

>>81908607
>>81908619
>waaahh she said mean things to poor widdle jon snu

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Maario Naharis

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>>81908574
>Arianne the worst

>>81908596
Theon is the best character, no question. Jaime is up there with Barristan, Aeron and Sandor, but he's not the best.

>>81911902
which is a worse female pov?

>>81911978
Asha, Dany, Brienne

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>>81911089
Here's a screenshot that another anon took of one of my shitty short posts that remind you all of some of Meera's importance as a narrative figure and her centrality in the degeneration of /got/ as a worthwhile narrative.

I can no longer bring myself to even write short stuff like this because I couldn't give a tuppenny fuck about this universe as it stands in the current show.

>>81912270
>Asha is charming, and gives us a POV in based Stannis's camp.
>Brienne has a classic destruction arc which has to give you a chub, she starts off as this untested knight who never fought for her life, never saw war or its aftermath, and never had the question her oaths and morality. Thought the feast all of that is stripped from her as she goes through the worst trail by fire imaginable. She has to fight and kill to stay alive, she sees what war does to the land and men in it, some so dehumanized that they fucking eat her face, and others gone but not beyond redemption, and in the end, she has to weigh her oath, life, and morality against one another. It's good shit.
>Dany had a good arc in the first book. A heroic run through the third. And a revelation that her heroic run wasn't without consequences in the fifth book, where she has to find the balance between her mysha and mother of dragons personas.

Arianne is a dumb slut whose plotting ability is worse than Cersei's. I can understand her desire to get what is hers by right, but the way she chose to go about it was the dumbest, most contrived piece of shit plan I have ever heard. She doesn't grow and we never really get to know her.

>>81912518
>Arianne is a dumb slut whose plotting ability is worse than Cersei's
this. maybe she wouldn't have come across so retarded if you only saw her through ser aerys eyes. all mysterious and femme fatal and what have you. but giving that woman a pov before she was "needed" to show aegon through more critical eyes or whatever was wrong.

>>81912661
>Arianne's POV
>Darkstar is hot
>Aerys is hot
>Dad is stupid lol
>Aerys is hot but stupid
>Im so smart
>Aerys is dead oh shit
>Darkstar betrayed me nooooo he was hot??
>Dad locked me up omg

>>81912738
I will never forgive that dumb bitch for getting Aerys killed.

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>>81912518
>>81912661
>>81912738
at least she gives us some insight into the greatest character ever conceived in literature

>>81912738
The best thing I can say about her is that she's better than show Ellaria. But that's like being dryer than water.

>>81908526
Reminder Darkstar war present as a young squire at the tower of joy

>>81912811
DS+L=J

>>81912783
Darkstar was a squire child at the tower of joy. Ned spared his life and swore him to secrecy. He is the most dangerous man in dorne due to the information in is head.
The venom and hatred towards the Martells is due to the tactics they used in keeping him quiet.
As he I was weaned on venom, Dalt. Any viper takes a bite of me will rue it.

>>81912857
he would've been a young boy and most likely a squire to his cousin arthur. too young to sire jon

>>81912878
as he says*

>>81912857
george writes as he said as a gardener planting ideas that can take various routes.

he left the option to have jon be the son of rhaegar and lyanna and left open the possibility of jon being ashara daynes son.

he left open the possibility of dany being a targaryen, a dayne, a blackfyre and daughter of lyanna.

he left open the possibility of young griff to either be a blackfyre, the legitimate aegon the 6th and the possibility of being lyannas son.

I think the routes they'll take depends of either accommodating fan service or going out of his way to deny what the fans want or have either caught on to.

also rhaegars intention was to wed the dragon to the weirwood not the direwolf.

he left open ghost to either be symbolic of house targaryen and symbolic of the weirwood. I think it comes down to lyannas mother and her flint of the mountains blood and it's blood from beyond the wall

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Faceless Men in a nutshell.

>>81908674
all of mummy's children are intelligent and kind

>>81912783
Why is Darkstar such a great character?
One of the few characters left where the meme question "what's his endgame" is actually meaningful
Also >white hair >purple eyes

>>81913361
you may enjoy this

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/104214-gerold-dayne-squire-at-the-tower-of-joy/

first for i want to change my name to bran stark

why is it that /got/ is obsessed with meaningless side characters like Darkstar, Meera, Bran or Stannis but loathes the better developped and more interesting main characters like Jon, Daenerys or Tyrion ?

>>81914157
refine your bait

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>>81914157

>>81914157
But Darkstar, Meera, Bran, Stannis, Jon, Daenerys and Tyrion are aĺ meaningless and uninteresting

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>>81914217
>Darkstar
>meaningless

>>81914146
Uh what

>>81914607
different anon, but pretty sure he's talking about that news article that was posted last thread
go take a look

Stannis was literally desperate bitch: the character the whole series

>i'll use magic to kill my brother and take his army
>oh shit my army got slaughtered
>i'll go north and try to steal their army
>oh nice some wildlings, i'll kill their king then try to get them to fight for me and even make them citizens of my kingdom even though that's batshit retarded
>oh fuck that didn't work and none of the Northern lords give a shit about me because I didn't help them when Ned died
>oh nice this bastard happens to be Ned's son, I'll try to get him to break his vows

I could go on but my autism has its limits

Modern day Isaac Hempstead Wright

>>81914667
didn't you just get arrested in kent?

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>>81914666
>i'll try to take every opportunity i can to further my cause
wow really gets the noggin joggin

>>81914607
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/herne-bay/news/sex-offenders-game-of-thrones-124339/

>>81911028
How come these two don't even kiss you'd think they'd get together after going through an arctic wasteland for weeks and watching two of their companions get killed.

>>81913016
Except he has solid ideas he's building to, like how he had a draft of daggers in the dark zince early 2000s, and has the ending figured out, and knows who lives znd dies, and already had an outline Oct r Jon's parentage and how it lets him fuck Arya.

How he gets there specifically may require growth and trimming, but an apple tree will always grow into an apple tree

Whoa someone besides me actually made a thread

>>81912514
But she's going to get her dad so she can join Bran Gilly and Sam in the group of characters that only exist to tell Jon about Rhaegar being his dad
>>81908774
I would imagine things get pretty sweaty with all that hot steamy air that is pumped through Winterfell

>>81915982
Yeah man Ned has to roll off and open a window every time it gets so hot

>>81914773
GAS PEDOES

>>81917364
Bad poosy should've had a larger spot there I think

>>81916741
Curse DABID, curse the jews, curse DABID JEWS! CURSE THEN ALL, FUCKING CANCER DAVID JEWISH PEOPLE

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Lotta loyalty for a hired catspaw

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>>81917924
Does Melisandre know?
Does she cares?

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>>81918011
>The red woman wears black with wisps of red

>>81912783
fucking Dorkstar

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i wish that wun wun lived so we could get cia saying you're a big guy

>>81918085
It's probably just the shitty filters they insist on using in the north.

>he's not watching geemu obu suroon with the superior dub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3umJ02KgGOk

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Modern day Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

>>81919444
Is... Is the supposed to be a tie?

>>81919459
it's contemporary fashion, you wouldn't understand

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>r8 my cock /got/

what did he mean by this ?

>>81917364
It's so bizarre how the whole weak Doran thing is the complete opposite of the point of his character in the books it's just that he isn't a hot head. It's almost like they didn't finish reading the Arianne chapters or something.

>>81919553
Reminder that Euron is all muh dick in the books too

>>81919444
top taste my friend

>>81919240
that was some disturbing shit

when is the trailer finally going to drop so we can start laughing

>>81909397
basically afghanistan

>>81919721
>Euron is all muh dick in the books too
He's completely different in the books. In the books he rapes and kills his brothers, and is generally worse than any of the other villains. He's got dragonbinder and a full suit of Valyrian steel armour. He's probably going to the the main villain in the books, which is way better than the shitty Night King in the show who we've seen once. Show Euron will probably die early next season.

>>81920035
this. euron is the final boss

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>>81914881
Big sister dynamic possibly.

Or just not enough screentime to develop it.

>>81920035
We've seen the Night King 3 times since season four

Euron does not die in season seven.

And Euron is muh dick in the books. He says he raped Victarion's wife because he had a small dick and she needed more.

And I know we shouldn't assume where the books go based on the show but the way Euron fucks off at the end of season seven because he knows the army of the dead can't come to the Iron Islands makes me think he will be the final boss and invade Westeros after the white walkers are defeated.

Remember how GRRM said he liked the scouring of the Shire I think that will be Eurons role.

>>81908574
>no Ashara
Fag

>>81919240
This is fucking awesome

>>81910557
Didnt she bring a maester from Riverrun once Robb was born?

>>81919851
Very good chance before the season premiere of Silicon Valley tomorrow but I would think they would have announced it by now to try to get people to plan on watching that awful show.

Jonsa
Gendrick
R'hllelly
JaqMelly
Piendry
Torienne
WalCat
Catyrion
Robbeon
Joffsay
Breera
Thormelly
Robbgery
JaqAry
Gendrya
Waifjaq
Kindole
Jaimure
Olefish
Stannos
RobbRos
Robbjey
Kindlypair
Tynny
Tyrienne
Jorleesi
MissTy
Tyleesi
Renwun
MissGrey
Branerys
Brodor
Meeosh
Robbcella
LittleCat
NightCat
Nightsei
Nightleesi
Jaimsa
Jaimleesi
Saleesi
Berheart
Berthor
Brojen

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>>81908526
D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D

>>81921631
Shit I forgot that it's coming back. Yeah that seems about right.

>>81921693
Hello shipping guy, what is your favorite couple?

>>81921708
So many Jews are in show biz
Ted Cruz isn't but I'm sure his agent is

Why does Davos looks like he doesn't give a shit about Stannis death in season 6 ?

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>>81922103
Because he mourned in season 5 already

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>>81922103
because d&d need to give everything to do with Stannis to Snuh.

>>81920640
Euron will have a bigger role than that. We've seen visions of him on the Iron Throne with all the gods impaled on it.
Valyrian Steel is resistant to the Other's weapons, so they aren't a threat to him.
He's the only person in the story we know has been to Valyria
Also he was mentioned in the first book, GRRM has been planning to introduce Euron since the start.

>>81922103
because stannis was a faggis

>>81922103
He seemed pretty broken when he yells at Mel for fucking with Stannis's head and getting him killed.

Before that he was holding it in and keeping himself distracted to hold off mourning. Lots of people do this in real life.
The fact that Davos waited to confront Mel until after the battle shows a lot of self control and wisdome which is why he is best hand.

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Who has best tummy?

>>81923149
I'd rather compare butt holes

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Should he be part of the 20 good men ?

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>>81921693
Breera

>>81923440
Yeah Carl, Locke and Rast should have survived and been Ramsay's key good men.

>>81923504
he's a cripple who's penis no longer works. there isn't much for him other than being a magical eunuch being manipulated by the three eyed crow / great other.

and if you're a simple mother fucker crows are not ravens.

>>81922103
Davos should have died with Stannis during the battle of Winterfell.

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>>81923440
This

This thread has come to a halt.

>>81924672
No
>>81924538
According to that "girl" posting last night girls love men's assholes so Meera would be satisfied eating and fingering Brans ass. I don't know how that gets her off but who am I to argue with the experts on /got/.

>>81924672
yeah that would have been better than what they're doing with him now

>>81910877
He has no regard for her pleasure like a true patrician

I'm back! Did I fucking miss something?!

>>81925597
yes but it's better you not know

>>81925635
Let me fucking guess, waifuposting? Pedoposting, Carice posting, turd tumblr posting? Yeah thank fucking god I missed those.

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Here a comic story.

>>81925742
honestly I cant tell you. I'm sorry

>>81908526
>got general

>posts picture of boromir

>>81925968
Dont be, we must focus us on the future and not on the past. Anyway I gonna leave 4 a second to make a sandwhich.

>>819217526
Hello! :) Jorleesi(tv version) mostly because Iain Glen sells it for me. It won't go anywhere-will any couple in the book or show? But I like his performance and I do see chemistry. Yours?

>>81926292
Likewise, I was only fucking with you. Time for a ham and mustard on a hot dog roll.

Nothing has really happened apart from the Jaqen fag still throwing a bitch when Jaqen is accused of rape. May as well grab a couple beers to wash it down.

>>81921734
Hello! :) Jorleesi(tv version) mostly because Iain Glen sells it for me. It won't go anywhere-will any couple in the book or show? But I like his performance and I do see chemistry. Yours?

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What is Ellie being asked at this moment?

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>>81926627
HOW HAIRY?

>>81921752
Hello! :) Jorleesi(tv version) mostly because Iain Glen sells it for me. It won't go anywhere-will any couple in the book or show? But I like his performance and I do see chemistry. Yours?

>>81926492
You're cute and funny anon, let's drink vodka & Red Bull to wash it down and make our lives fast.

Also why does 4chan use the word fag 4 everything?

>>81926627
What do you think of being in season 7 for a few scenes and sent back home? No big thank you from winterfell's people? Are you bringing your character's dad in season 7? Are you single will you go out with me? (last one said in his head)

>>81926751

JaqAry, because chemistry, passion and cuteness

>>81926764
I'm downing Teds ( aussie dry lager ) it was what I switched to after too much vodka and before that too much jim.

Fag I guess is tradition. Nothing against fags though.

>>81926813
>What do you think of being in season 7 for a few scenes and sent back home?
Christ, could you imagine how easy it would be to fuck up an interview and make it really awkward? I'm getting sweaty palms even thinking about it.

>>81926872
Fags, gays, homos, queers, yeah no problem. Human bean and all

>>81926982
agreed

>>81927024
Super Mario Bros

Super Wario Bros

>page 10

The season will only have seven episodes. That is sort of lame.

Will the trailer show a hint of wight dragon? What could be the biggest reveal? Or it will show a whole lot of nothing.

>>81928453
the episodes are longer

>>81928540
Biggest reveal will probably be the big Lannister/Tarly army or Euron and Yara's ships

>>81928571
No they aren't.

D&D are going for 73 hours, we're at around 60 right now since they count the whole timeslot season 7 is 7 episodes, and they've confirmed that season 8 is 6.

>>81928637
And season 9 & 10?
How much episodes will it have?

>>81928637
even if you're right, what's the problem? it means less filler and soap opera drama

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What are the confirmed spoilers for this season?

>>81928712
Because they're also rushing the shit out of it and making it even more retarded.

lol, here's a marriage license, by the way did you know marriage licenses are now a thing in Westeros, what we never told you, well here's one and it says Lyanna married Rhaegar.

lol here's a marriage annulment form too, huh we didn't tell you those things existed either, or why this and the license were just kept secret, or why Rhaegar would file this shit with the Citadel anyway, don't think about it.

lol I'm the only man to beat Robert on the field of battle, better to face an army of 100,000+ men and 3 dragons for a woman who killed my liege lord

lol I need an alliance and truce badly, better go North and risk my life to capture a wight to help convince this crazy chick who tried to kill my family at every turn and last time sent the Vale North to kill Sansa and later killed her daughter in law, the daughter in law's family and her own family member so she could be Queen, that'll work.

>>81929001
well idc honestly I just watch it cause it's fun

>>81929001
Never mind that the crazy chick literally owns a zombie already.

>>81924538
You're way to easily triggered pal

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>>81929174
>I turn my brain off

>>81911235
fuck jon snow and fuck cat
they both got what they had coming and I wish they weren't brought back to life

>>81911235
>Robb marries Jeyne because of how shit he saw Jon get treated
>waaaahhh, Catelyn wasn't bad, Jon's just a big baby

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>>81921708

You can tell when the books lost, and the Jews took over.

The show went from 9/10 to 2/10 pretty fucking fast.

>>81930570
>le turn your brain off meme
When will you finally turn yours on?

do you guys watch preston?

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>>81931140
Who?

>>81931022
>NO, YOU

Fucking retard

>>81931249
preston jacobs, he's a feminist libtard sjw cuck that does really bad GoT theories because he's a book reader

>>81910494
Why does Ned look like Jesus?

>>81931292
No, I don't go for that sort of thing. Sorry.

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>>81911028

>>81931567
>10 hours in MS paint and chill and he gives you this look

>>81931809
, worth it

>>81931140
Obviously
preston is beston

>>81914157
nice b8 my man

>>81931567
This is probably the best thing to come out of /got/ in at least 2 years.

>>81920670
it's pov characters, dummy

>>81928668
read in littlefingers voice when he says 'and harrenhal, i guess thats of the table as well'

>>81931400
he's a holy guy

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>>81930753
>how shit he saw Jon get treated

>>81933556
Take it up with the books

>>81933653
she didn't treat jon badly at all

>>81933818
Not from what Robb thinks, or at the very least lots of other people were shit to him

>>81934038
oh from his perspective sure
doesn't make what she did wrong at all

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God, I'm happy that The Order Of The Green Hand is stirring up dust. The posters with Jon hate-boners are losing their shit, and it's great.
>"Mummy Catelyn! Mummy Catelyn! Anons are saying you're wrong about Jon Snoo! Make them stop it, Mummy."

>>81934084
>your own son thinks you treated his bastard brother like shit
>nothing wrong at all

top kek

>>81934184
well ned's the tard who actually kept his bastard around
expecting noblewomen to give a shit about their husband's bastards is a mistake

>>81933653
>>81934038
>>81930753
>his step mother didn't speak to him! what a monster!
>oh and that one time when she was half mad due to sleep deprivation and his son on the verge of death she was really mean to him!

>>81934254
>Catelyn can't possibly treat Jon badly offpage and in the past, Robb must be wrong

top kek

>>81912270
Asha is to Arianne about the equivalent of what Davos is to Hotpie.

>>81934294
grrm has actually said that though

>>81934249
Ned should've kept his pimp hand strong like Walder did.

Even Walder's bastards marry highborn women, and even the trueborn kids carry the bastard name,

>>81934294
>well there's no mention of it anywhere but I'm pretty sure Catelyn used to torture Jon Snow offpage when he was still a child and unable to defend himself, also when Eddard wasn't there to look over them she would lock him up in the attack and only feed him bugs and rats. I mean there's no logical reason whatsoever to believe this happened but I strongly believe it because it fits my narrative.

>>81934311
I'm not basing Catelyn treating Jon like shit on her saying he should've been the one to fall instead or her ignoring him, I'm basing it on Robb and his motivation. Bran being half dead and Catelyn grieving has nothing to do with what I'm saying

>>81934360
>completely exaggerating what I'm saying to the point of absurdity to try and ridicule it

top kek

>>81934369
perspective, my dude
Neglecting to care about him from Robb's perspective would've looked like a shit life because his life was even better in comparison, especially given how he considered Jon 100% his brother and everything. There's no indication of 'treating him like shit' in the text. He even got to sit at the high table with them and everything.

>>81934453
ok, so what did you think she did to him that was so horrible, aside from "not being a mother to him" ( which she doesn't really have to, because you know, she isn't his mother )?

>>81934598
I'd say Catelyn neglecting to care for Jon wouldn't be enough reason to decide to marry Jeyne in case she has a bastard if Robb could otherwise provide for the child and Jeyne would raise and love the kid anyway. Jon having suffered because of the stigma in other ways to me makes a lot more sense, especially given how people don't trust bastards and think they betray people easy and are lustful and a crime against the gods

>>81930753
catelyn wasnt bad and jon WAS a big baby and robb was looking at the situation from the perspective of a spoiled rich brat.

jon has absolutely nothing to whine about. Everyone loves to talk about how ASOIAF is a different universe and you cant compare it to 21st century ideals.... EXCEPT when it comes to woobifying jon and pretending like he didn't have an excellent life. Ask literally any Westerosi citizen who didn't grow up in a castle whether they'd trade places with jon and 100% of subjects would say yes without a second thought.

>>81934294
she can or she can't. but what makes you think you can extrapolate on stuff that didn't happen on page and pretend that it did offpage?

I mean, if one of the Bolton man slaps Arya on page, you can extrapolate that it also happened offpage. Or something equivalent.

But you can't extrapolate that they raped her. Or cut off one of her finger. Because that's not the same level at all.

All Catelyn did in the story was "not to talk to Jon", then an allusion about the fact that she never call him Jon ( this time with Bran was the first time ), and one time when she was batshit insane ( even her guards and Luwin thought she was going crazy ) she told him something mean.

So you can extrapolate that more of that shit happened (not talking to him, and also being extremely mean to him everytime she didn't sleep for a week because her son was laying there unconscious/possibly dying). Which probably only happened once.

Nothing gives you reason to assume there was more than that, unless it's justified by on-page content, which it isn't. So it's just fanfiction your own headcanon that it may have happened, nothing in the books supports it.

>>81934800
Yeah, because if your family has wealth and power, then there is *literally* nothing you can feel bad about. In no way can you come from a rich and powerful family, and still have problems and struggles.

>>81934772
>>81934901

>I'd say Catelyn neglecting to care for Jon wouldn't be enough reason to decide to marry Jeyne in case she has a bastard if Robb could otherwise provide for the child and Jeyne would raise and love the kid anyway.

Except Robb is a kid who hasnt really seen how the world works outside of his wealthy bubble where the most mistreated person he's ever seen is another priviledged kid who just has his fee fees hurt from time to time.

>>81934901

Oh god cry me a river jontard. jon was never beaten, he was never starved, he always had a place to sleep, he received excellent training equivalent to that of a trueborn lords son, he had at least 4 siblings that loved him, and his life was absolutely perfect compared to everyone else in westeros.

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>>81934772
Yeah, that's fair enough. Jon did have a pretty great life, but as I said, not from Robb's perspective.
Glad we've come to an understanding.

>Thus, the question I have is if Catelyn went out of her way to mistreat Jon in the past -- and which form this might have taken -- or if she rather tried to avoid and ignore him?

>"Mistreatment" is a loaded word. Did Catelyn beat Jon bloody? No. Did she distance herself from him? Yes. Did she verbally abuse and attack him? No. (The instance in Bran's bedroom was obviously a very special case). But I am sure she was very protective of the rights of her own children, and in that sense always drew the line sharply between bastard and trueborn where issues like seating on the high table for the king's visit were at issue.

>And Jon surely knew that she would have preferred to have him elsewhere.
She didn't even verbally abuse him. So basically it's just that, she was just not a mother to him.

I'll take GRRM's word on it over some random guy on /got/ wondering "Well who knows what happened offpage!".

>>81908526
how to start
pls no bully

All four of jons younger siblings are going through an exponentially worse childhood than he went through.

>>81934772
>I'd say Catelyn neglecting to care for Jon wouldn't be enough reason to decide to marry Jeyne

That's also perspective : The perspective of a 15y/o idiot ( Robb isn't exactly a genius ). And I say 15y/o but it's less than that, Robb forged his opinion of Cat/Jon way earlier than that, when they were just kids; 7y/o Robb witnessing his mother not giving a fuck about "his brother", of course a kid will think this is terrible.

Also, Robb is a pampered prince. His life is better than 99.999999999% of Westerosi. Jon's life is only better than 99% of Westerosi, but from Robb's PoV it's much worse than his own.

That's like Sansa calling Beric old. He's not old, he's young. He's only old compared to her.

Jon's life is only shit compared to Robb's. The random peasants we encounter all over the story don't have better lives, they don't all have a mother (or any parent at all), they sure as fuck don't have a knight/master at arms training them, food everyday without working for it, and so on.
Jon had it super easy, but from Robb's perspective it was worse than him (robb) so it was bad.

>>81934934
Jon never grew up with a mother, despite his own siblings having one. And even though Eddard knew who she was, he would never tell Jon.

The only person Jon might be able to call mother hates his guts for merely existing. And even though she never explicitly states as much(before the scene at Bran's bed), he can still tell, as she never calls him by his name. By this fact, you can assume 1 of 2 things. Either Catelyn never addresses Jon at all. Or, she refers to him as "bastard" or "boy" or any other such degrading name. Certainly not the name he was given as a noble born boy.

Sansa treated him less than sibling like, because she was more in tune with the social stigma of bastardy, and cared more about appearances than family.

Jon doesn't get to sit at the table with his family during feasts.

And before they realized one Dire Wolf strayed from the pack, they planned to give every true born a wolf, not him. Even though he's the eldest.

>>81935145
If any of them had a bad childhood, its the youngest ones Bran and especially Rickon, who being 7 and 3 wont hardly even remember life before everything got completely fucked up


I'd say in the span of 5 books jon has absolutely suffered the least out of all of them except Robb so its really funny to watch jonfags do mental gymnastics to act like jon is such a poor tortured abused underdog

>>81935349
>Sansa treated him less than sibling like
Just curious, how do we actually know this? I mean he clearly wasn't her favourite but since Sansa never gets a chapter at Winterfell and she only thinks about him when he's brought up, it's hard to know.
>Jon doesn't get to sit at the table with his family during feasts.
That was only for the King's visit.
>they planned to give every true born a wolf, not him. Even though he's the eldest.
That was his idea.

>>81935033
>She only resolutely hated and neglected Jon for his entire life.
>She dindu nothing!

>>81935349
>Sansa treated him less than sibling like, because she was more in tune with the social stigma of bastardy, and cared more about appearances than family.

That's one sibling, Arya didn't like Sansa or vice versa, were Sansa's and Arya's life shit because of it?

>And before they realized one Dire Wolf strayed from the pack, they planned to give every true born a wolf, not him. Even though he's the eldest.

You do know that Jon's the one who wanted them to do that right?

The plan was the kill them until Jon said there were 5 for the 5 Stark children.

>>81935443
>not paying attention to someone you are in no way obliged to pay attention to
>wrong

>>81935349
Dude, fucking look at the context of the series you're talking about. Ask yourself how many people in westeros have the privilege of their only complain in life being "this lady whos not even my mom doesn't talk to me :("

most people in westeros dont have any parents, or the "parent" they do have beats or rapes them on a regular basis or forces them to do practically slave labor.

>>81935441
>it's hard to know.

To be fair, her calling him half-brother and barely thinking about him in the books to the point Myranda bringing him up has her thinking about him for the first time in a long time while she thinks alot about the rest of the family, plus wanting to have kids with her sibling's looks except for Jon, and thinking only because her other siblings are dead would it be sweet to see him again, kinda tells you she didn't much care for him

>>81935555
Literally the only time sansa has ever had good taste about anything

Actual footage trailer that we can autistically over-analyze WHEN?

>>81935555
Ah, that makes sense I guess.
GRRM should've spent more time establishing relationships between characters at the start IMO. Actually given us some dialogue between all those siblings and shit.

>>81935443
Neglected?
How can she neglect him when she has zero obligation to him given he's not his?

I guess Cersei was wrong in not raising Mya Stone properly?

How the hell is "Not being a mother to your husband bastards" neglect.

>>81935612
anyone not sucking Jon's cock is the most evil person in the world to Jontards.

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im glad this conversation is not happening on reddit so posts like all the ones above wouldn't be at -500

>>81935441
>That was his idea.
And it's pretty fucking sad that he embraces his bastardy like that. It means it's been an issue all his life, and he just deals with it infecting his life.

>That was only for the King's visit.
Fair enough. But it's still a big deal that that happened.

>Just curious, how do we actually know this?
That's what I inferred from something I read. But I can't recall it well enough to cite exactly what happened and when.

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>>81935682
/got/ is an inclusive community that encourages all discussion

>>81935463
>That's one sibling, Arya didn't like Sansa or vice versa, were Sansa's and Arya's life shit because of it?
There's a difference between sibling squabbles, and then being confronted with the reality that you're not in the same social stratosphere as someone who you would otherwise call your sibling. One is just bickering, the other can cause and existential crisis.

>You do know that Jon's the one who wanted them to do that right?
Don't you think that's sad? That he even had that move in his arsenal. That fucking sucks.
>"Uhh, so hey guys, you remember how I'm a bastard right? And I'm totally not true born like all of you. So uh, yeah, just count me out and you can adopt the pups. Since the numbers match, it must be fate that I'm not a Stark, heh... heh"

>>81935505
The privilege of wealth and power, does not absolve the burden of emotional stress and yearning.

By your reasoning, I could easily point to anyone's life and tell them they have nothing to be sad about because there are starving children with aids in Africa.

>>81935803
Not the anon you're responding to, but what's your point?
I've been trying to keep track of this conversation but I've lost the point that's being contested.

>>81935486
Bastard or not, Jon was part of the family. You don't neglect family.

>>81935803
>who you would otherwise call your sibling. One is just bickering, the other can cause and existential crisis.

What existential crisis? Jon IS her half brother, there's no world where they'd be in the same social stratosphere and be called siblings unless they did share the same parents or at the least Jon was born of some first wife of Eddard's. Even Robb acknowledges that Jon is his bastard brother, he still loves him but doesn't mean he doesn't know what Jon is or didn't remind Jon of what he is when Jon wanted to be Lord of Winterfell when they were kids.

>Don't you think that's sad?

He could've just not done it at all and not have to bring attention to him being a bastard.

>>81935909
that's not how westeros works

The Jon thing might be intentional though.

If he really is some kind of "chosen one" then it's poetic that he chooses the most difficult fate and still remains (relatively) unscathed.

In the show at least he was revived from death. He misses a thousand arrows and barely survives being trampled to death.

He's not allowed to die, regardless of his circumstances. Not yet.

reminder that the people really responsible for jon's ""shit"" life are the two retards that brought him into existence

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>>81935983
>He misses a thousand arrows and barely survives being trampled to death.
>He's not allowed to die, regardless of his circumstances. Not yet.

>>81936017
I didn't say it was good! It's way too heavy handed.

But it's clearly intentional in my opinion.

>>81936027
You're basically saying that plot-armour is indicative of some higher power keeping him alive. But GRRM doesn't have higher powers like that. Magic, yes. Gods? Not really.
And Jon isn't even the most plot-armoured Stark.

>>81935983
>>81936027
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
what is intentional? Shoving Jon into desperate suicidal situations then giving him the strongest plot armor in the universe?

Yeah that's intentional, it's called "Making someone look heroic when you don't know how to really do it : Make him an invincible retarded underdog".

>>81936121
>And Jon isn't even the most plot-armoured Stark.

Yup, that's Sansa and Arya, avoiding rape at every turn

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how long before we see her tits? or is gonna be to lewd?

>>81935897
I interjected into the conversation to make the point that privilege doesn't absolve problems. Because if you assume Jon has nothing to worry about, simply because his family is wealthy and powerful, then you fail to properly understand the character. And thus, you fail to grasp their motives.

Anti-Jontards are misinterpreting it as Jon cock sucking.

>>81935921
What existential crisis? Jon IS her half brother, there's no world where they'd be in the same social stratosphere and be called siblings
No need for hyperbole. Because in *our* world, they would be in the same stratosphere, and called siblings. And in Westeros, they do make the distinction between full and half siblings. So yes, in their world, Jon is a sibling to the trueborn children.

Now, there's a difference between acknowledging a reality, and then having that reason be the cause of mistreatment. Like you said, Robb acknowledges Jon is a bastard, but still loves him. Meanwhile, Sansa acknowledges that Jon is a bastard, and ignores him.

>He could've just not done it at all and not have to bring attention to him being a bastard.
Despite his actions in that moment, the truth is that he had that option available to him BECAUSE he's lower than his sibling. Had he been equal to the others, then he would need to think of a completely different plan.

>>81935983
>In the show at least he was revived from death. He misses a thousand arrows and barely survives being trampled to death.
>He's not allowed to die, regardless of his circumstances. Not yet.

Do not confuse writer plot armor, and godly protection.

Grown men die from a single stab, but Arya can get gutted and sliced 3-4 times then thrown into sewage water and few days later she's good to go thanks to her secret doctor friend!

It's not divine intervention it's just shitty writing.

>>81936231
>her tits
who is that, frogfu?

>>81936220
Nah, Sansa hasn't been plot-armoured at all. Everything has made sense for her so far.
Arya though, yeah. Insane levels of plot-armour because she's gurm's wife's favourite.

>>81936271
Jesus please stop trying so hard, your forced pretentiousness is belittling whatever point youre trying to make

>>81936271
>Had he been equal to the others, then he would need to think of a completely different plan.

Yeah, like Rickon not getting one because he's too fucking young to. But that was still his choice to use his bastardry like that.

>>81935428
This

how come nobody writes 120590428534673896739857 pages of meta crying about how much bran and rickon's childhoods sucked ass?

>>81936410
>But that was still his choice to use his bastardry like that.
Again, the fact that he has the choice at all, is telling of past treatment, and how he's been made to feel about his status. The fact that he made the choice doesn't really matter. The choice is just the product of the sad state of growing up a bastard.

>>81936364
Yes she fucking has been.

Tyrion happened to not decide to take his rights, Joffrey just decided not to fuck her but have her beaten instead, the Hound happened to find her before she could get raped, Lothor came in the nick of time to stop that musician, and not plot armor related but still bullshit that Mariillion happened to be the same one Petyr framed so Sansa and the reader wouldn't feel too bad about Sansa lying in her testimony and him getting tortured and maimed.

>>81936271
>I interjected into the conversation to make the point that privilege doesn't absolve problems. Because if you assume Jon has nothing to worry about, simply because his family is wealthy and powerful, then you fail to properly understand the character. And thus, you fail to grasp their motives.

The reason people say the whole "starving children in Africa thing" (assuming that was you who mentioned it) is...
They can't do shit about it.

Yeah, rich people have problems too. But they can at least try to do something.
When someone cry that he's always broke... Well, get a job, lazy ass.
Or if you got one, then stop spending so fucking much.

Sure they're not starving with aids in africa but they can still have problems? Yes... But they can solve them. Unlike said starving children.

Jon has problems, so does every fucking person on the planet or in westeros, but unlike most people he is in an extremely good situation, which means he can solve a hell of a lot more problems than most people.

He can do just about anything he likes.
He likes reading? Read in the Winterfell library! He wants to become a maester? He can!
He wants to become a warrior? He has a master at arms! He wants to become a NW member? He can! He wants to become a fisherman? HE can!

He can do just about anything he wants to make his life however he wants it, and that alone puts him ahead of 99.9% of the population who CAN'T really decide what they want to do in westeros.

Sons of fishermen becomes fishermen, not because they want to but because their dad has a boat so that's just about all they can do. He can't make them knights, he has no sword and can't train them.

Does this solve every problem Jon has? No. But at some point he has to man up and deal with shit. Catelyn doesn't love him! No. She doesn't. Get over it. Not everyone will always love you and Catelyn doesn'T owe any love to you. You're a grown men now, get out and find someone to love you.

>>81936525
WHO. CARES.

JON DID NOT HARDLY SUFFER AT ALL.

PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

>>81936324
it's a female white walker I think. doesn't Jon Snowden bone one while he was patrolling the glacier fort?

>>81936525
Well I refuse to consider the choice said when the person does it of their own volition, if he'd been forced, if Ned, Theon, Robb or Bran had been the one to suggest it, fine, but not when Jon himself chooses to point it out and deny himself.

So not "they planned to give every true born a wolf, not him. Even though he's the eldest", it was his own plan and he's the one that convinced them of it.

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can we please bring back waifuposting instead of humoring a jontard

>>81936730
She would've been a great Lyanna

>>81936531
For Tyrion, that's just part of his established character. And for Joffrey, she was still his betrothed and he had that warped sense of what was proper, which is why he never actually hit her himself. I don't know why you think it should be expected for Joffrey to rape her.
All the rest it's a case of a valued individual being 'preserved'.

this >>81935935


>>81935909
So you would welcome your wife's basterd son with open arms? Treat him exactly like your other children? Yeah no. not buying it. And yes I went there because while Cat is being petty by putting the blame on a poor boy who never asked to be born, it still sucks to have to that constant reminder that your spouse cheated. At least she was courteous enough not to abuse him and insult him everyday like he's cinderella.It's not like she can just divorse Ned. Is it sad that such anger displacement happens to innocent people? Yes, but blame the world they live in.

>>81936615
>it was his own plan and he's the one that convinced them of it.
He's only what 15 at the time? I forget. But he's still just a teenager. The world convinced him of his status. He merely stated something that reflected society's expectations.

mummyposting sure has spawned a lot of discussion

>>81909397
Whose colours are those? House Oakheart?

>>81936545
You're conflating opportunity with fulfillment. Having more options than another person will not necessarily fulfill you. And having less options than another person will not necessarily leave you unfulfilled.

What if the fisherman's Son loves fishing, because his dad taught him how to fish, and it was an incredibly fulfilling experience for him?
But what if the lord's son likes fishing more than sword fighting? Except the system he's entangled in, pressures him to inherit his father's place.

Everyone's heart yearns for something. Often, it's that one thing we don't have. Jon wishes to know his mother, because Catelyn was never a mother to him. That's what's left unfulfilled for him. And it doesn't matter how many castles his family owns, he'll never get that.

Sure, all the blame can't be put on Catelyn, she's only a piece of the pie that makes up Jon's emotional issues. But at the same time, she is a person who holds the most potential to give Jon what he needs in order to be fulfilled. Which she withholds from him. For 15 years. Catelyn is mad at Jon for 15 years. How petty can you be?

>>81936792
>For Tyrion, that's just part of his established character

He has a musician killed then laughs at him being turned into fucking soup. Tyrion's not a good guy and he was already groping her and erect, he would've fucked her if not for plot armor.

>she was still his betrothed

After that she wasn't his betrothed anymore and was just a plaything, still didn't fuck her.

>All the rest it's a case of a valued individual being 'preserved'.

Yes, through plot armor where there's always something convenient to save them or characters that should don't.

>>81936858
>this
I didn't even bother replying to that guy, because he made a blatantly false statement.

>So you would welcome your wife's bastard son with open arms? Treat him exactly like your other children? Yeah no. not buying it.
I at least wouldn't refuse to call him by his name. And over time, I would probably end up warming up to him. I mean, how can your heart be so cold to a child after 14 years of living with them? Eventually you just have to get over that shit.

>>81936730
who's that?

google says "Grass", is this Doran Martell?

>>81936730
How can an image be so big and so artifact ridden at the same time?

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>>81937508
>google says "Grass"
I don't know what shit-ass version of google you're suing. But I got a name and more images.

>>81937516
chill out with your severe autism

>>81937548
Not autism. I'm just frustrated that I can't see her more clearly. What a fucking tease.

>>81937290
>He has a musician killed then laughs at him being turned into fucking soup. Tyrion's not a good guy and he was already groping her and erect, he would've fucked her if not for plot armor.
I think it was pretty clearly established that Tyrion wants consent in sex. It's part of his character to desire approval. Of course, this is before it all degenerates after he kills Tywin and he gets depressed and changes quite a lot.
>After that she wasn't his betrothed anymore and was just a plaything, still didn't fuck her.
Yeah, and that's when Tywin and the Tyrells come to KL and Joffrey can't do whatever he wants anymore.
>Yes, through plot armor where there's always something convenient to save them or characters that should don't.
Not really, when most of the value of someone comes from their untainted vagina, it makes sense that people who have her in their custody would want to preserve that.

>>81937667
>Tyrion wants consent in sex.
>literally pays whores
>literally raped his wife
>literally gropes Sansa and wants to fuck her
>consent

lol no.

>Joffrey can't do whatever he wants anymore.

As if Joffrey gives a fuck

>it makes sense that people who have her in their custody

The convenience of the arrival then things working out so well after is still bullshit

>>81937732
Whores consent, m8, they get paid. Did you miss the whole bit where he pays Shae to tell him how great he is? He doesn't like to fuck the *very clearly* unwilling (at least at that stage in the story), which is exactly why he doesn't go any further. He wants approval, even if it's faked, this is a core part of his character and the purpose of Shae is basically to demonstrate that.
>As if Joffrey gives a fuck
Yes, he does now, because there is someone other than his ineffectual mother to keep him under control now.
>The convenience of the arrival then things working out so well after is still bullshit
what are you even trying to say here

>>81937939
Being paid isn't quite consent and a wife can't not consent anyway and he sure thought paying Tysha after the act was consent enough.

>what are you even trying to say here

The difference between a guard stopping a person from being a threat in the first place or before things escalate and getting assaulted and a white knight comes and rescue you.

>>81938005
>Being paid isn't quite consent and a wife can't not consent anyway and he sure thought paying Tysha after the act was consent enough.
She is very obviously unwilling. That's what Tyrion doesn't like. He's fine with paying someone to act willing, because he's that desperate for approval. And Tywin forced the whole 'rape' of Tysha, Tyrion is clearly eternally angry about it which is a big reason why he really, really wants approval, even if he can only get it through paying whores to fake it. Crying in the marriage bed would not give him the approval he wanted.
>The difference between a guard stopping a person from being a threat in the first place or before things escalate and getting assaulted and a white knight comes and rescue you.
What? With the Hound, she's a valuable hostage and he'd get in trouble if she got lost to the crowd. So he cut some fucker's arm off and got her back to the castle. No white-knighting there. Same thing with Lothor, that's part of his job. It's perfectly believable.

>>81938228
>What?

Timing and how it goes down m8

>>81937470
Even if he came about through your wife cheating yet you couldn't dissolve the marriage because of impending reasons? I doubt you would be willing to invest the same way in that kid as your others. Again, she was mean and it sucks she ended up displacing anger on the child but it is literally because of how westeros and that time period was. But again, at least she didn't go out of her way to treat him like cinderella by trying to beat, yell at, and blame him for everything. She was at least more courteous in a way. You can argue that in some ways, just completely being apathetic or ignoring a person can be perceived as worse, but that depends on the person, and I don't think Jon was that type of person desu.

>>81938257
And what about how it goes down is unbelievable?

>>81919553
pencil neck

>>81938326
It's not strictly about one incident being unbelievable, it's shit happening over and over again.

>>81938490
>it's shit happening over and over again.
but it doesn't

>>81938502
But it does

>>81938611
You've named 2 instances, with the Hound and Lothor, both of which make perfect sense.

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OLD ENOUGH TO PEE
OLD ENOUGH FOR ME

>>81938666
I'm talking about near rape in general. Which also includes the Blackwater

>>81938735
>inside a castle
>doesn't get raped during the battle outside the castle
wow really makes you think

>>81936792
This, there is some deliberation of whether joffrey is even interested in sex at all. he seems more into just hurting people as a psychopath. Of course I think his seeming attraction to marg might have refuted that but it could have just been her telling him wanted to hear all the time. Him threatening to rape sansa after her wedding could have just been a general dick move to make her feel scared again.

>>81938761
I'm talking about the near rape with the Hound during the battle you retard

>>81938830
The Hound isn't a rapist.

>>81938841
sure he isn't

>>81938930
sounds like you've given up :^)

>>81938949
lol sure. He'll kill kids and rob the poor, but he doesn't have rape in him, keep believing that m8

>>81939018
If you think it would've been in-character for the Hound to rape her there after reading 2 books of their interactions, you might be retarded.

>>81938263
Catelyn was mad at Ned and still learned to love him and forgive him. Displacing anger on the child was not caused by the time period or the region. It was all on Catelyn. There were no external forces that pressured her to act particular neglectful toward Jon. It was all based on her internal feelings.

>You can argue that in some ways, just completely being apathetic or ignoring a person can be perceived as worse,
No, I won't argue that. However, I will argue that you can't absolve one person's problems with someone else's worse problems. So he didn't get physically abused and forced into labor. But that still doesn't mean his circumstances aren't worth feeling bad about.
To avoid using someone's name isn't mere apathy. It's passive aggressive. Because you have to make the conscious effort to avoid using their name. It's petty and spiteful, and that feeling is conveyed to Jon through her actions. And John was effected by that.

>>81939042
It's not about whether it's in-character to rape Sansa or not, too many near rape situations in regards to Sansa where of course, she doesn't get raped

>>81938725
OLD ENOUGH TO FLEE
TOO OLD FOR ME

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>>81939125
but it's not fucking near-rape if he wasn't going to rape her you absolute mong

>>81939147
He sure as fuck was close to it, knife to her throat, getting her on the bed, threatening her, you fucking retard

>>81939212
yeah he's a fucked-up guy, but actually raping her would be completely out-of-character (which is, you know, why he DIDN'T), so it's not a fucking near-rape situation

>>81939253
Him not doing it doesn't make it not a near rape situation.

>>81938725
>not 'Old enough to pee 2old4me'

>>81939098
yes he was affected in some way obviously but I don't think it was enough to cause us to call Cat evil step mother tierthats all im saying. Cat can't stay mad at Ned period. Again, what is she supposed to do (as a woman) divorce him? If you don't get that I will not keep trying to explain it to you.

>>81919553
I have high expectations for this character after seeing how well the actor pulled off Batou.

>>81940048
he was a good villain in 1864 as well.

>>81938930
raping a noblewoman versus raping a peasant is quite different in this world. Their virtue is part of their value. Why would he rape his bosses property?

>>81940638
Cause fuck/bugger/whatever the King

>>81939315
him obviously never going to do it makes it a not-near-rape-situation

>>81940757
Near rape doesn't have to mean that the person was gonna rape you. Being close to rape even if he doesn't do it in the end, is near rape, especially if the person threatens you and gets you in the position to.

>>81940692
You know after he says that he leaves KL right? And Sansa stays. Or was he meant to rape her with his larger than massive cock while absent?