> I hate anime, especially Hayao Miyazaki What did he

japanfag here, I also don't care for miyazaki

>>81772268
Miyazaki is the most over rated normie shit t b q h

>>81772480
Which is ironic given that he's a self admitted pedophile.

>>81772528
I don't see the irony

>>81772268
he just doesn't give a fuck about anything

>>81772268
That Outrage 3 is inbound

>>81772268
I used to feel the same way, but anime is something special, pham.

This fag is a nihilist, his gonna be hatin on everything.

He's right. It's shameful how the culture of a great country like Japan is now reduced to their anime and videogames. Their modern cinema is non existent.

Miyazaki is such an egocentric hack, Ghibli is Japan's Disney that's all you need to know

>>81772268
>DUDE YAKUZA LMAO

literally every Kitano movie ever

He's probably too dumb to understand anime

>>81772528
[citation needed]

>>81774529
ikr, Sonatine is such a formulaic yakuza movie
not really, dumbass]

>>81772268
Kitano is based

>>81773714
Except the only good movies Ghibli has ever produced has been under the direction of Miyazaki. Face it, japs just don't have that creative spark, but every once in a while a unique jap (miyazaki) will get in control of a project and rise above the rest of the japs. Also happened to that other miyazaki at fromsoft

>>81772268
Full quotation:
>"I hate anime and even though I truly hate, like, Hayao Miyazaki's work, I can recognize how great anime is just by the amount of money it earns. I think you should do things you like, but you also need to be open enough to recognize the things you think you don't."

>>81774760
"anime is great because money"
what a soulless shill

>>81774760
> just by the amount of money it earns
is he retarded?

>>81772268
Nausicaa and The Wind Rises were really good. Takahata is better though.

>>81774760

I read that twice and I still don't understand what his point is.

>>81774529
He actually deconstructed the yakuza movies

>>81774782
>>81774829
Occupations: Comedian, television personality, film director, actor, author, screenwriter, film editor, singer, painter

Hustlers gonna hustle

>>81774782

Japan is pretty open about the purpose of these enterprises. People make movies and anime to make dough, there's no reason to be ashamed of it.

>>81774854

What? He said anime is shit but if you need money make anime because that is where the money is

>>81774870
"used underwear in a snack dispensing machine is great because money"
t. typical jap

>>81774757
When Marnie Was There, Kaguya and Grave of The Fireflies

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*stares at trash*

>>81774529
You're not getting these Kitano movies. It's going over your head.

Miyazaki is shit, but then, so is Takeshi Kitano

Kitano has 0 good movies. I haven't watched Miyazaki's works, but perhaps there's at least 1 good work? Then he won.

>>81774757
>>81774919

Only Yesterday and Whisper of the Heart too, Miyazaki is actually the weakest of the Ghibli directors

>>81774987
>>81774919
None of those movies are creative, they are typical anime jap shit with extraordinary animation. No one is praising those movies beyond the animation. Miyazaki was truly a unique story teller.

Wonder how he feels about video games then. Wasn't he in Yakuza 6?

>>81774857
people hate on kitano because the meta aspect of his films goes over their heads

>>81775034
>little girl goes on adventure

TRULY UNIQUE

>>81772268
He is jealous that Miyazaki is more popular than him

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Kitano's magnum opus was MXC

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>>81775089
the adventure part is unique as hell though

>win takeshis castle after slamming your head on concrete and falling into filthy water for the third time
>CONGURATURATIONS YOU HAVE WON 5000 YEN

Fucking kino

>all the mad /a/ faggots still buttblasted because Hayo called them out

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>>81774987
>Miyazaki is actually the weakest of the Ghibli directors
You probably mean Goro Miyazaki who is indeed a hack and the shittiest Ghibli guy.
Hayao is the second worst.

>THE ANIME INDUSTRY SICKENS ME BUT DON'T FORGET TO PURCHASE MY GOOD FRIEND HIDEAKI ANNO'S EVANGELION MERCHANDISE

what did he mean by this

>>81772268
most anime that is popular in the west is shit with the exception of miyazaki movies. stuff like akira and ghost in the shell are not good movies. you have to spend time on the manga to even get anything meaningful out of them

based beat taking out the /v/eddit trash

>>81775041
He probably took a big check. These garbage games are so rehashed they cost nothing to make.

>>81772268
>Literally who hating on something

What the fuck, I hate anime now

>>81774981
At least two, probably more. The winner is clear here.

>>81775401
Which ones lad

>>81772268
Test

>>81775431
kys

Kitano's movies are solidly rooted in the dreary reality of being a man.

Miyazaki's work is all escapism mary sue bullshit

Is it that surprising Kitano wouldn't like anime or Miyazaki specifically, but he would respect them for being successful entertainment?

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>>81774981
>Kitano has 0 good movies
Can you explain in great detail why the top 10 movies are bad?

>>81775480
no

>>81775480
you posted all involvement, post only ones with director kitano

>>81775427
I'll say Mononoke. If you don't find that one good, no reason to bother with 2nd, son.

>>81775464
>Miyazaki's work
>escapism

what the fuck, they are all about dealing with reality and facing change

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>>81775266
Akira and GITS have plenty of meat on them, way fucking more than the average miyazaki movie.

>>81775544
im gonna try and watch, also have kaguya downloaded

based fucking beat

>>81775542
/tv/ sucks at knowing 90s films. sonatine and kikujiro are solid kino.

>>81775057
people hate them because they are shitty films

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>>81774981

Nausicaa and Mononoke are kino

Kiki's Delivery Service and Ocean Waves are comfykino

>>81775559
>Akira
>plenty of meat

Lmao, the manga maybe but not the animated flick and GiTS doesn't have anything extremely meaningful about it that hasn't been explored better by other works.

>>81775564
I am in no way big animefag, but I like a few films.
Mononoke is one of them. Other people may recommend differently.

>>81775652
alright, looks like anime's back on the menu boys

>>81775653
> GiTS doesn't have anything extremely meaningful about it that hasn't been explored better by other works.
>other works
like which ones for example?

>>81775464
>Kitano's movies are solidly rooted in the dreary reality of being a man.
there's nothing dreary about living in the 2nd wealthiest country and lowest crime rate in the world. kitano's movies are just as much escapism and fantasy as any anime

>anime is bad
>movie that glorify criminals are ok

>>81775718
How are his 90s yakuza films escapist in any way? They all end in his self-insert character dying and being miserable long before they die. I see them as being incredibly personal movies

He's right. Miyazaki is normie-bait trash. He has maybe one good movie in his entire career and yet the west sucks his dick because Disney shills like crazy for him.

>>81775653
>GiTS doesn't have anything extremely meaningful about it that hasn't been explored better by other works.
Before it?
After it sure: there is "Innocence"

>>81775780
>violence can't be used as escapist fantasy
>suffering can't be used as escapist fantasy
nigger it's like you're so young that you haven't even gone through your edgy 15 y. o. phase

>>81775718
>if you live in a decent country, it means you can never feel dreary

I wish underage retards can be banned instantly.

>>81775850
I don't see a middle aged man who attempted to kill himself after making a film about losing all reasons to keep living as going through an edgy phase.

>>81775904
No, just mid-life crisis.
Wow, art.

Unironically I like his work. The world he creates in his movies just feel rich and alive. But then again, I am no big anime fan and I get the feeling the otakus/weebs are the ones hating him.

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>>81774981
>Miyazaki is shit
>Haven't watched his work

This is literally /tv/ in a nutshell. The other side of this being a bunch of retarded contrarians dislike anything that's even remotely popular.

>>81775718
>>81775850

Have you seen either of the Outrage movies? They are less about crime and more about the crushing force of obligation and responsibility.

>people thinking that is only escapism if it has a happy ending

Lol

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>>81775980
I haven't watched Fast and Furious movies except Tokyo Drift, but I know they are all shit (except tokyo drift once again)

That's a fact, also my taste and opinion is better than your taste and opinion.

>>81774854
he said he hates anime but it obviously has some value to someone since people spend so much money on it
I don't know why they would ask an old man what he thinks about anime in the first place, also a thinly veiled reference to the fact that kitano is porpousefully starring in schlock (gits is an anime adaptation, he also claims to hate videogames and starred in yakuza 6) and has been doing so for years

>>81776025
>I haven't watched Fast and Furious movies except Tokyo Drift

But you have watched Tokyo Drift which is a FF movie. That is how you probably got your opinion. And comparing those movies with Miyazaki is like comparing apples to oranges.

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>>81776025
Now that's what I call autism!

>>81776081
Anime isn't some new thing

>>81776025
based

>>81776081

Not to mention he hates video games but he helped to develop Takeshi's Challenge.

He's not a hypocrite or a hack, he just knows where the money is.

>>81776025
>He doesn't know that F&F is best watched in the order of 1, 4, 5, 6, 3, 7, 8.

Four and Six are skippable but do have some pretty important moments. Regardless, you should give the series a chance, it's really good.

>>81772528
Gonna need a sauce on that

Based beat boy

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>>81774529
>He's probably too dumb to understand anime
Wew, you weebs are hilariously delusional. Anime is shallow shit for manchildren, Kitano is far smarter than you.

>>81776210
He was obviously making commentary/shitposting with Takeshi's Challenge though

>>81775939
I know you're just being flippant, but I really see them as something deeper than a mid-life crisis. Kitano was just a comedian and actor before he started to direct, and immediately went to these extremely dark, pessimistic crime movies. None of them register as escapist genre fare to me. The violence in them always seems to reflect a deeper emotional problem in the character and himself

Violent Cop is a Dirty Harry deconstruction that paints the protagonist as a monster. He took over direction after the first guy dropped out, but it's a theme he clearly takes to heart
Boiling Point is an elaborate practical joke on the audience for expecting a violent power fantasy (similar to the aim of Takeshi's Castle or his video game).
Sonatine is the bleakest, a movie about a man who forgets that he's dead inside for just a moment before losing it again.
Then he tries to kill himself, and a few years later ostensibly remakes Sonatine as Hana-bi. Similar story structure but hugely different results. It ends in suicide as well, but somehow comes out feeling more hopeful and more at peace with the prospect than before. The parallel story with the disabled cop is even semi-autobiographical

He never touched on those kinds of movies again after. It's like watching self-therapy on film.

>>81776371
>saying this while posting the picture of a retard

Appropriate

>>81776025
Fast Five is a really solid afternoon drinking movie

>>81776422
Jew detected.

>>81775653
The Akira movie is definitely style over substance. The manga too, really. I read the whole thing and didn't get much from it.
The first GitS movie combines style and substance. The relationship between the conscious mind and the body, and how the conscious mind is affected by the needs and nature of the body, is very complex. GitS contributes a novel perspective and new ideas in an enjoyable format. Berserk deals with the same themes in its golden age arc.

I don't know what anime Kitano is targeting here, is it the waifubait slice of life moeshit that makes money hand over fist? Or does he have trouble with the art form for some reason

>>81772268
>Hack director
Who fucking cares

>>81776210
He started hating videogames precisely due to his experience with takeshi's challenge
in his final real movie, glory to the filmmaker, he carried around a puppet of himself and complained that the producers only wanted him to make tear jerkers and soulless yakuza flicks. After that he made a tear jerker (to the point of self parody at times) and soulless yakuza flicks. Now he's going around saying that he hates anime while starring in anime adaptations, and that he hates videogames while starring in videogames.
He has made comments in the past about committing a career suicide instead of attempting an actual one like kurosawa did, his first attempt at that was getting any (which ironically is a lot better than his modern production), this ocean of shit is likely his second attempt.
You have to remember that Kitano used to be extremely mainstream at one point, so the fact that nobody picked up on this and that ""movie critics"" still praised Outrage without even watching it or contextualizing it just because Kitano (which they likely never watched in the first place, they just know they are supposed to like him because of hana bi) directed it, is a testament to how fucking retarded and useless the whole movie critic community really is, and I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank

>>81776378

Sure, the game itself was a sarcastic, sensationalist commentary on 1980s Japan.

But he still got paid didn't he?

>>81776513

Sure, he's a success ironically.

He played those ill informed producers like a fiddle.

This is nothing new, but it doesn't detract from his early work that got him on that lofty pedestal to begin with.

He was great. Then he turned into a money hungry troll.

Doesn't mean he wasn't great at one point.

>>81776466
>The relationship between the conscious mind and the body, and how the conscious mind is affected by the needs and nature of the body, is very complex

Just read some philosophy books and some cognitive psychology textbooks

>whole thread start and continue with some bullshit quote without any source and a picture

didn't browse /tv/ for 2 months and turn out it is still the same shit

>>81776678
I think he still is great actually, the japanese equivalent of the hollywood jews won't let him do what he wants to do, so he just turned the whole problem on its head and used it to show how garbage the movie scene is when he could have just retired, he obviously has enough money

>>81776513
I hate the fact that Outrage, being his most recent and easy to see film, seems to have painted his legacy backwards. People know he makes "cool" yakuza movies, see the least personal one he's made, and probably think that's all he's capable of

But I can't see that take on Takeshi's Challenge, it's such an obvious joke on the gamer. Takeshi loves schadenfreude, you can see it when he made a tv show just to watch people hurt themselves, and in Boiling Point where the whole absurd plot is just the daydream of a retard taking a shit in a port-a-potty, the character the audience is initially supposed to sympathize with. So in the same mode he makes a video game that is both incredibly banal and unbeatable without the whole game mapped out for you.

>>81775034

>none of those movies are creative
>space baby shot to Earth in a plant is raised as a temple wife and once she makes peace with her fate as a human and woman is taken away into space, back to her home on the moon, by her father who is also the Buddha while sad music plays and the people who raised her since she was a tiny baby weep
>not creative

Okay, fart commander.

>>81774529
>too dumb to understand anime

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>81772293
Miyazaki doesn't know who you are

>>81776752

Imagine not immediately understanding the OP and instead of admitting to yourself that this is beyond your scope of knowledge and maybe other people know exactly what the thread is about from the image and quote, you instead make a sweeping generalisation about the whole board.

Now that's what I call retarded.

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>>81772268
>YFW HE HAD ONE OF THE BIGGEST SPEAKING ROLES IN GITS BUT DELIVERED THEM ALL IN JAPANESE WITH SUBTITLES

THEY GAIJINED HIM UP THOUGH, USES A ANTIQUE SMITH & WESSON 44 MAGNUM 6 SHOOTER

COOL HAIR, BEST ADAPTED CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE MOVIE

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>>81776862
You have got to be kidding me. Have you never heard of Japanese mythology? The movie is an adaptation of a common folktale. Creativity doesn't play a part in the plot
>>81776466
This post is correct

>>81777337

I literally live in Japan, you cumslurper. It was a creative take on Taketori with fantastic presentation.

>>81776689
so you only watch movies if they present you with something that you can't get out of a book? what the hell are you doing on this board? are you fucking retarded?

>>81777442
I search for things I don't know about so I can be amazed, it's really not my fault if all the time I watch something I only leave with "Eh, it was interesting but it's already stuff I was exposed to"

>>81776689
Sure. It's not like those have a definite answer though. We're still being fed Marxist garbage that ties every human action to power, or Freudian garbage that ties every human action to sex. As if no concepts higher than that could make your brain generate endorphin. You have people pretending basic rules dictated by human nature are social constructs, that human nature doesn't actually exist, and they're trying to "break free" of that "oppression", as if that were an expression of their freedom. Science has been making leaps in the understanding of the human and its mind as an object, and the consciousness' interactions with the world. Electrons behave differently when we observe them, that's insane, what does that imply about the role of the human as a decoder of the universe's information? But the popular ideologies haven't followed. Philosophies that move past post-modernism are not getting any traction and have been constrained to an obscure corner for decades. And we still don't understand ourselves well enough. We're probably due for a second Renaissance; truths that our ancestors had discovered and acknowledged will seem revolutionary.

Anyway, art is a good way of conveying ideas, especially indirectly. It's a different vector of information than abstract texts. Humans have been doing it for millenia. No point in acting like it's illegitimate now.

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>>81777441
Why the fuck would you list out the literal plot as if that was "creative"? If you thought other aspects of it were creative in execution then we are entering more specific territory that you would need to provide examples for but it seems more like you're backtracking at this point.
>I-i live in japan, filthy gaijin
Two can play that game, I'm fucking japanese

>>81777614

I said it was a creative take on Taketori, you retard. It modernized it and offered departures from the main plot, like the way that the love interest interacted with Kaguya, the way that the suitors were dealt with and more importantly, the masterfully done farewell seen with the melancholic music.

>>81777711
You said this in your second post, I had problems with your first. I see your point of view now that you've expanded on your opinion though, good talk butt licker

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EVERYONE KNOWS MIYAZAKI IS BASIC SHIT

BUT TV ANIME IS SUCH AN OTAKU WASTELAND EVEN HE CANT STOMACH IT

OSHII IS MOST SUBSTANTIVE ANIME DIRECTOR STILL LIVING, WATCH HIS LIVE ACTION MOVIE TALKING HEAD 1992 FOR HIGHLY META COMMENTARY ON THE ANIME INDUSTRY

>>81777520
You're really too smart for us dude. You saw Motoko have no regard for her corporeal form due to its detachment from her consciousness, how well that was portrayed, and you thought "yep, brain in a jar, Aristotle, Chomsky, checks out".

>>81772480
Well that's funny because his stuff is the only actual likable anime that isn't dbz autism edgy tier.

Nobody fucking cares about anime.

>>81777908
I am sorry if it sounded like I was trying to act superior, that wasn't really my intention

That's rich coming from such a shit as Kitano

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>>81772268
>miyazaki
>anime

>>81772528
My father works at Nintendo

>>81777879
>it isn't edgy or violent so it can't have depth

>>>/v/

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>>81778251
>MIYAZAKI
>DEPTH

>>81778056
yeah he quit From because people were always complaining "wth from nerf pls! from sucks! dual ugs is op!". he wanted to move away from anything multiplayer oriented so he started directing the new madoka

He's just a salty dude on his way out of the Japanese cinema circuit. The only way he can be relevant anymore is to shit talk the MOST recognized and respected living Japanese filmmaker.

Don't let this cuck fool you. He need be get better at baiting

I like miyazaki and I like kitano. I can live with the fact kitano doesn't like miyazaki, I cannot understand it though. It's like saying you hate childhood.

>>81773031
No country needs to export their culture you baffoon. A culture isn't mobile, but movies and Literature are.

Japan obviously doesn't give a shit what other country's view them as. And the only reason Europe and America care is because they actually speak the same language frequently enough to insult one another.

>>81772268
He's just pissed because he knows anime is killing the live action film industry in japan

Right you are ken

I wonder how Hisaishi feels about his bffs not getting along

>>81779234
I forgot about that. Yeah, kitano hating the movies that share practically the same soundtracks as he used in his movies. Must be the reason why he made that comment.