https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxv C2BE2Hio >This is the

>>81759671
Holy fuck, what an obnoxious cunt.

>>81759754
i know right? imagine not being a christian

>>81759671
Fabricated and scripted to push the "christians are all retarded fat rednecks" meme in a """humorous""" way that coincided with the explosion of "le atheism" a few years ago.

prove me wrong.

spoiler: you can't.

>>81759878
>all these mental gymnastics to ignore how many Baptists are this obnoxious

My mom is like this bitch. The madness is real!

>>81759671
DORK SIDED

RICK'S NOT A CHRISTIANAAAAAAH!?

>>81759878
it is real

prove me wrong

spoiler: you cannot

>>81759671

DORKSIDED

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I dated this Jewish girl in high school who had a mom sorta like this.
They were a really super orthadox Jewish family, the kind with 2 seperate kitchens and all that.
I could tell her mom really hated me because she kept prodding me for questions about where I worked, who my parents were and how much they made, what I was doing after high school etc.
She had this constant look of disgust and disdain on her face because here I was, this broke ass, fat, unattractive neckbeard wearing a Magic the Gathering tshirt, no job, no future, shit grades in school, but somehow her daughter still loved hanging out with me.
She'd invite me over for dinner here and there without telling her mom, so when i'd show up, her mom got super pissed off, but was too passive aggressive to straight up tell me to get out.
We'd sit there, eating matza balls or whatever, and there'd be this awkard silence for like an hour

>>81759936
This.

More than media or general debauchery I blame Southern Baptists for the rise in atheism more than anything else.

They are just terrible, terrible people.

>>81760497
What other branch of Christianity bombs abortion clinics and pickets funerals of dead soldiers?

>>81760497
Don't forget Pentecostals.

I grew up in a church "school" that was literally this 100% of the time. I have yet to recover, nor has anyone I know that went through it for so long.

>>81760530

Fun fact: Eric Rudolph's last "camp" was on my relatives' property.

>>81759671
REEEEEEEEEEEE ATHEISTSSS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>81760497
I was just discussing this with my grandmother the other day. Protestantism has seen a severe character assassination over the last 30 years, while Catholicism has seen a softening in the public eyes.

What do people associate with Protestantism, particularly in the United States?

>the South
>anti-intellectualism
>racism
>evangelical money scams
>Tammy Faye Bakker
>Billy Graham
>rednecks
>Westboro Baptist Church
>weird white people with 20 kids

While the Catholic church has become associated with

>great architecture
>tragic heroes that still believe in god
>blue collar working people
>saints
>mythology
>mystery
>long history

The only real problem they've had is the reputation of the priests being kiddie diddlers.

When agnostic millennials start to find God in the next few years I think they will be drawn more to the Catholic church than the Protestant.

>>81760282
>two separate kitchens
Why would (((they))) do this?

>>81759878
You sure act like that though. Not all Christians certainly but the loud annoying ones on /tv/

>>81759878
>Fabricated
Met dozens of people just like her in my life. Were they fabricated too?

>>81760756
>tfw nearly converted my agnostic/pagan (sigh) wife to catholicism

I don't think I can get her to go full papist but she's expressed interest in Episcopalianism, which really is just catholicism without the pope. Her major roadblock is the divinity of Jesus but I've been turning her onto some deist writings.

This must be how my forefathers felt, converting the sheep fucking pagans of Europe

>>81760497
I was raised in the southern baptist church and I couldn't wait to leave. No sex, drinking, drugs, or rock and roll. Secular media was off limits. Satan was everywhere. I was miserable, and I blame my parents for being a virgin until I was 21. I was convinced I'd die if I had sex.
I joined an ex-xtian group, but that was like 20 years ago. I never would have dreamed it would become a neck beard movement.

>>81760870
>pagan
why
>wife
why

>>81760664
I grew up going to public schools and still got reactions like that just because my family didn't go to church. It's actually kind of fucked up in hindsight; as soon as kinds found out my family wasn't religious, I started getting harassed enough that the principal called everyone into the office and basically told me to stop bothering them, even though I hadn't done shit. Since no one ever told those kids they were doing something wrong, they would still yell and throw shit at me for years, and I just learned to avoid them.

This happened in a part of the country that's usually thought of as liberal, too. Kids will be dicks about anything, but atheists/nonbelievers/whatever still get a lot of hate from most of the country.

>>81760772
Jewish law forbids mixing dairy and meat. Orthodox jews won't eat a cheeseburger, really.

Most of them just keep a mini fridge for dairy stuff though, not a whole other kitchen.

>>81760497
The rise in atheism is because of a rise in average level of education. God isn't real, the notion is absurd. At least one that intervenes in human affairs. There's no such thing as a soul, that's magic fairy tale bullshit. The less retarded people you have, the more people realize this.

>>81760896
She's more agnostic than anything else, the pagan thing doesn't really come up and she hasn't been into it since college.

I married her because I love her. Why else?

>>81760664
What up nc bro. I knew someone was helping him out.

>>81760967

Probably my second cousin. He was always into sketchy shit like militias.

>>81760756
>Westboro Baptist Church
They aren't Protestants

>>81760870

Ask her what she thinks about this line of reasoning

>the universe was created by something
>this something is "God"
>God was not created, and has a nature which does not adhere to deterministic concepts such as cause and effect. There was no cause for God
>If God could be explained he would not be God
>This God is not necessarily the Christian God
>But it allows for the existence of lesser deities that can affect time and space and even create races like Humanity, or our entire observable universe. This could be the Christian God.

This is the new thought process that has been developing on 4chan for the last year or so. Those of us who go into God debate threads seriously have started to come around to the idea of not only the Christian God existing, but the possibility of many deities. Logic does not exclude them when you get to the higher levels of thinking about the nature of the universe.

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>>81760756
>When agnostic millennials start to find God in the next few years
Lol, that isn't happening kiddo. Try to get the Gen Z kiddos if you want to convert people. Overall, every year that goes by, people are less and less religious

>>81761002
They ain't Catholic and they ain't Orthodox, so yes, they're Protestant heathens.

>>81761002
They may claim they aren't, but the are.

Something tells me this woman voted for Trump.

>>81761002
This, they're calvinists.

Protestants seek converts.

Catholics welcome converts.

Calvinists don't care because it's already been decided if you're going to Heaven or Hell.

Main beef I have with proddy shits is that they need to inject their religion into everything. They have no respect for the separation of church and state.

>>81761089
>>81761096
Baptists are Christian. Do you guys not know what words mean?

>>81759878
>t. has never been to a religious midwestern town

>>81761066

You are literally retarded, and so is most of this website in recent years. You believe that green text is a coherent argument because you are clinically retarded.

>>>/pol/

>>81761070
A percentage of them will. And I believe a good chunk of that group will switch over from their parents Protestantism to Catholicism

>>81761110
>Is that they need to inject their religion into everything. They have no respect for the separation of church and state.
Virtually all of American Christiandom is this obnoxious.

>>81761113
>Bananas aren't fruit, they're food

>>81760914
I grew up going to public school in the bible belt and the teachers would regularly stop teaching to preach their own personal sermon or go off on some rant about something like gays going to hell or people having sex outside of marriage or how crazy muslims are or whatever.

But it was the 90's so we all just took it as a welcome break from writing notes. Actually they usually were prompted to go off on the tangents by one of us because we knew how easy it was to set them off. Even thought it was the bible belt, most of us didn't actually give a flying fuck about religion or going to church.

>>81761152
They won't and I have no clue why this is important to you.

>>81761066
She's okay with the idea of God, it's the Jesus thing that gives her pause. She doesn't like the idea of pledging yourself to a mortal person and has difficulty reconciling Jesus as being simultaneously God and human.

She started getting it after we watched The Last Temptation of Christ though, so I'm trying to get her to read the book. It actually strengthened my faith in the divinity of Jesus so here's hoping.

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>>81761115
>complaining about greentext

>>81761098
WOAH THAT IS QUITE THE ASSUMPTION THERE!

When the fuck did 4chan become full of moralfag christfags?

>>81761154
I disagree, I don't believe that virtually all of it is obnoxious, but I do believe that there are a few particularly obnoxious ones that speak very loudly.
How many members does the Westboro Baptists Church actually have compared to how many times they've been in the news?

>>81761180
If you think people don't turn to religion as they get older you've a lot to learn, kid.

>>81760924

Are you new to this conversation?

>>81761154
Maybe to some degree but the Protestants are the worst about it. They're the ones running 15 million dollar churches and using the tithe money to run for public office.

>>81761113
Catholics are Christian, dummy. Christianity is divided up among Catholics, Protestants, and Doesntmatterists.

>>81760870
>I want to actively brainwash her to believe things I want her to believe and not just accept her as she is
You need to be a real degenerate to try to actively convert someome

>>81761231
When it became contrary to the prevailing thought on the Internet.
Same reason /x/ is 85% flat earth threads for the last 3 years.

>>81760924
>God isn't real, the notion is absurd. At least one that intervenes in human affairs. There's no such thing as a soul, that's magic fairy tale bullshit. The less retarded people you have, the more people realize this.

u r like a babby

>>81761270
>Doesntmatterists

What's in that category? Jehova's Witnesses, Seven Day Adventists, Mormons etc?

>>81761231
When atheist neckbeards became completely insufferable.

It's happening with politics, too. By this time next year (or maybe 2 years from now), it's gonna be full of leftists. It's already happening, /pol/ is annoying people just like furries, atheists, and bronies before them. The amount of people bitching about them increases every day.

>>81761309
Pretty much, yeah. Mormons are strong in some areas tho

>>81761194

Well make it clear to her that Jesus is the idea of the Divine Individual, who stands physically capable of acting out the human potential to perform divine acts. Christ is the part of humanity that lies with God. He doesn't ask servitude out of pride, He asks you to serve your personal divinity.

>>81761233
It's happening less and less. Does this bother you?

>>81761288
>not wanting my wife to suffer in purgatory

I'm actually passively converting her. And it's working.

>>81761336
It sounds like you just irrationally dislike anyone remotely left-leaning and atheist.

>>81761377
Passive brainwashing to morph someone into someone else just to appease you, is still brainwashing you scummy faggot.

>>81761270
Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox, actually.

Doesntmatterists all fall under the umbrella of Protestantism

>>81761231
Because atheism is no longer the "edgy teen" thing to do, now if you want to be an edgy rebellious teenager you say you're a """Christian""". The script flips every few years, don't be surprised if /pol/ goes full circle and ends up back at being fedoracore atheist neckbeard stereotypes within a few years.

>>81761410
>talking to someone to change their mind about something is brainwashing

>>81761387
He's right, if I understand his post correctly. The pendulum is just swinging like usual, it's just noticeably overwound this time.

>>81761377
>spends more than a little of his free time on 4chan
>thinks he somehow isn't headed for worse than purgatory

>>81761387
I consider myself a socialist, actually, and have no strong opinions about other people's religious beliefs provided they don't try to preach to me.

My point is that 4cha in general runs shit into the ground. It's like the guy everyone knew in school who finds out about Led Zeppelin or something and then for the next three years won't shut the fuck up about how Jimmy Page is the greatest guitar player ever or how deep the lyrics are. It gets old fast and it turns people off.

>>81761357
It's happening less among white people in Europe and the US. Everybody else in the world... well it's a long discussion.

It does bother me because religion is the strongest and best tool to control the masses. Read George Soros' article about ethics in regards to capitalism. Without religion there to guide ethics capitalism cannot work.

https://www.ft.com/content/d55926e8-bfea-11de-aed2-00144feab49a

>there are """""""""""""""""christians"""""""""""""""""""""" on 4chan
yeah i'm sure you're not going to h*ck buddy

>>81759671
Thing is, she actually believes this shit. Can you imagine believing such things? She's completely honestly scared and thinks they're evil demons messing around with scary shit. She so fucking afraid of going to hell and suffering forever.

Man, I don't blame her reacting like this.

>>81761410
Yeah well...I don't care

>>81761498
Many of the Christians on 4chan, and particularly on /tv/, are a new breed of Christian that doesn't have a name yet where they see the necessity of religion without actively believing in it. Dune being very popular here is no coincidental.

>>81761410
>responding to a LARPer

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>>81761066
>the universe was created by something
You literally don't know if this is true
>this something is "God"
You also have no way to possibly know that either
>God was not created, and has a nature which does not adhere to deterministic concepts such as cause and effect.
1. You can't prove any of that, 2. It seems like an autistic workaround to not deal with how your deity defies basic principles of logic.
>If God could be explained he would not be God
This makes no sense. More hand waving.
>This God is not necessarily the Christian God
Most likely, none of them exist.
>But it allows for the existence of lesser deities that can affect time and space and even create races like Humanity, or our entire observable universe.
Kek, what?
>Logic does not exclude them
Logic excludes them all, but people like you aren't operating under the assumptiom of logic, you literally can't...otherwise the argument breaks down.
>when you get to the higher levels of thinking about the nature of the universe.
((((tips))))

You sound like a presuppositionalist, those faglords are the worst.

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>>81761114
>bring bf to my family in the Midwest
>not get crucified
>neither of us are religious
>family us wholly accepting
Rly gets the noggin joggin

>>81761555
You have very poor critical reading skills.

>>81761452
>I want to slowly, little by little
>change their entire perception of reality
>to match my own beliefs
>and only then, will I accept her
>t. literal brainwashing

>>81761508
It's a pretty crappy thing to do, though. On a pretty deep level, you think your wife is flawed and that she needs "fixing" from you. And rather than accepting her as she is, you're actively trying to change who she is. I bet you'd be seriously bothered if you found out she was doing something similar, or felt the same way about you.

>>81761599
>if you can't change someone's mind about something in a single conversation, you're brainwashing them

>>81761489
>It does bother me because religion is the strongest and best tool to control the masses.
>Without religion there to guide ethics capitalism cannot work.
Despite this being absolutely retard, I offer wonder what it takes to convince people like you of such drone-tier beliefs. What part of you needs to be broken to give up blindly to this sort of mentality?

>>81761646
That'a not what you said, blatantly...

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>>81761555
>You literally don't know if this is true
I know the universe exists because I'm in it now. If you want to say the universe was never created in the first place you're going back to the idea of a cause/effect breakdown which just strengthens that posters point.

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>>81761066
Pls, tell me more.

>>81761682
I'm not the guy brainwashing his wife.

>>81761582
Great argument, fag. I literally quoted you word for word, and responded to each point.

>>81761685
You know that a universe most likely exists to you, you don't know that is was "created". You may never be able to tell if it is or isn't. Why do people like you pretend to know where the entire universe came from? Stop it already. It makes you look silly.

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>>81761652
Oh, do you think you will convince people to behave with humanism?

>>81759671

ladies like this are hilarious to fuck with because you can just insult them right to their face and they never understand anything

>>81761697
But you are agreeing with him?

>>81761761
You know what humanism is?

You don't need fucking religion for an economy to work.

>>81761743

Because it establishes a productive universal and personal context, and religion is more important than your personal offense that somebody might choose a theory on how the universe works, you underage fuck.

>>81761761

If you dislike religion because it's a tool to control the masses then how can you like capitalism.

>>81761824
>Because it establishes a productive universal and personal context
I don't give a fuck what your fee fees are about your headcannon, believe that the world is flat for all I care. Just don't parade it around like you have facts, which you don't.

Having to explain this to you makes you underage. Not me, kiddo.

>>81761775
In that he's taking a passive approach to conversion? Sure, he hadn't described any real brainwashing techniques, it sounds like it just comes up in conversation occasionally. He hasn't described any torture or other psychological manipulation (aka, brainwashing).

Conversion is not necessarily brainwashing.

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>GORGAYLES
>SLYCHICS

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>>81761743
Saying something (the universe) exists but was not created is illogical. You'd have to insist that time loops back around on itself or some other speculative notion of the nature of the universe.

But anyway
>You know that a universe most likely exists to you

There is no "most likely" to it. I know it with a 100% certainty. It's like, the only thing anyone knows. "I think therefore I am". Ever heard that?

>>81761114
Neither have you because nothing of the sort happens

>>81761869
Brainwashing isn't juat blatant torture, anon. It is alao coercion, repetition and remolding. That other poster won't accept her for who she is, she needs to be reconditioned and "fixed", to meet a criteria. He needs to do it over time, package the argument in ways to mislead and convince, to reinforce it...constantly...

All of which, he plans to do.

>>81761857
People living in capitalist countries have the highest quality of life of any society that has existed.

>>81761898
>I think therefore I am
Never heard of it. Why are you posting the "give her the dick" guy?

>>81761066
This is the kind of idiot that gets drawn in when people try too hard to not seem like some picture of a fat guy wearing a stupid hat

>>81761924
>It is alao coercion, repetition and remolding
I mentioned that under the category of psychological manipulation.

And it sounds like you are attributing many actions to him that he has not described.

As he described it, the only thing she is considering is the divinity of Jesus, not the existence of God, or anything else, so it is merely a discussion of particular dogma.

You enter this discussion in bad faith, and to that I can only tip my fedora to you, the enlightened atheist.

>>81759878
https://youtu.be/Sr5Zq8hn19E

>>81761864

I'll do what I want and I'll say what I want. I'm not going to tell you to stop arguing from willful ignorance, then backpedaling to how proud you are of your annoyance when you get the answer you asked for.

>>81761898
>Saying something (the universe) exists but was not created is illogical
Assuming was "created" because that is the logic you operate under is what is irrational. Things can exist without being actively created. "Created" is a dumb copout tool people like you use to explain away the enormity and complexity of space and time as if it NEEDS a creation to exist. The universe doesnt need to stoop down to your imbecilic level of understanding to just BE. You literally have no tools to prove it.
>There is no "most likely" to it. I know it with a 100% certainty.
No, you don't
>It's like, the only thing anyone knows. "I think therefore I am". Ever heard that?
You think you know it, sure. I believe I am real too. I don't pretend that I can prove it on a macro cosmic scale though. I am not dishonest with myself.

"I think, therefore I am" is a dumb thing to say, given how fucking easy it is to trick your brain into hallucination.

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@81761231 (You)

>>81761688
I've done better write-ups on /int/. You'll have to drop into a philosophy thread there sometime. /pol/ has good threads too, probably the best threads that come out of that board.

>>81761934

So it's not that it's a tool, it's that it's one that doesn't work for as many people as capitalism.

>>81762052
You're retarded.

>>81762068
>/int/
why not /his/? that seems like the proper board for the subject

>>81762051
Then expect criticism and for me to tell you that none of your beliefs are facts, kiddo. This is a public. forum you willingly participate in. This isn't your church or your Christfag blog.

Nothing you believe is backed by objective facts.

>>81762099
Oh, so you are done then? Good chat. Read some more books next time and become more familiar with your arguments if you don't want to look like a fucking tool.

>>81762102
Never been around there much. /lit/ has a big group of philosophy posters too, but I don't get over there either.

>>81759878
That along with young earth and flat earth are successful Mossad Psyops to turn young people away from Christ

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>>81762126
>calls Rene Descartes quotation dumb
>tells other people to "become more familiar with your arguments"

>>81762026
>you a fedora atheist meme teehee
Can we not have any real discussion aboit nonbelief anymore? Without calling everyone a fedora?

>>81760756
>Protestantism
King Henry the eighth and the rise rule and modern continuation of the British empire

>>81762105

The objective facts are my personal success from being open to these ideas. I expect criticism, I'm just saying nobody is impressed when you inject yourself into a conversation in bad faith and use your own confusion as if it were an argument.

>>81762168

>young earth and flat earth are successful Mossad Psyops to turn young people away from Christ

I'm sorry, what?

>>81762187
Because it is dumb.
>OH WOW A FEW HUNDRED YEAR OLD QUOTE FROM A THEIST PHILOSOPHER! YOU JUST GOT BTFO!

>>81762193
It is nearly impossible to have a discussion on the internet in good faith, because no one is interested in having a genuine discussion, they merely wish to bludgeon one another with their opinions.

>>81762052
Any awareness at all is evidence of reality aka "The Universe" existing in some form. This is like PHI 101 stuff.

>>81761489
>Read George Soros
Oh, a 90 year old man from a religious cohort believes religion is an integral moral compass and it would be impossible to mediate innate empathetic justice instead of an abstract and fabricated control scheme with ambiguous ideals.
This is also coming from an extremely affluent man who likely has 0 vagus nerve response to seeing others in pain.

>>81762212
Apparently everything christians do that seems stupid is a plot to make them look bad by outside forces. The next logical step will be him blaming the jews

>>81762271
But you are ultimately just assuming you have awareness or that things are existing. But that is heavy skepticism, which I don't subscribe to. I am mostly a materialist.

>>81762303
They killed Christ so yeah fuck those faggots

>>81762197
>in bad faith and use your own confusion as if it were an argument
I don't know what you think this even means.

>>81762187
That quote can be interpreted as solipsistic which is what the other anon is arguing to you.

>>81762296
Maybe, just maybe one of the richest men in the world might have some useful information to impart in his old age.

>>81762367
This.

>>81762324
....

I'm with him>>81762099
You're retarded.

>>81762377
...which just so happens parrots your own beliefs? What a coincidence!

>>81762399
>skepticism
>is retarded
>for reasons
Right, great arguments.

>>81762367
Even if it is it still means the universe must exist, if only limited to the self.

>>81762377
The only information a rich man is likely to have accurate with a decent degree of certainty is how to accumulate and maintain wealth.

>>81761898
>Saying something (the universe) exists but was not created is illogical

But somehow, saying that God exists but was not created isn't?

>>81762358

>i don't understand!

wtf i have no faith now

>4chan used to make fun of everyone, religious, atheists, agnostics, liberals, conservatives, anarchists whatever it didn't matter
>if you were an annoying faggot then you got treated as such
>nowadays if you're not a chrsitcuck you get taunted and heckled

I want to go back. It was much better when NO ONE was safe

>>81762407
Or maybe I listen to what my elders have to say and give credence to it based on their long experience. When someone over 80 is trying to tell you something important you ought to listen.

>>81762377

George Soros was raised and funded within a culture of money-makers, his wealth is not unearned but it does not grant him an particularly worthy perspective on the fate of people.

>>81762436
No it doesn't, it means that you interpret it to exist how you WANT it to. That's like assuming time is a linear construct because that is how your brain is wired so therefore it can't work any other way....but in reality, it does.

Humans have perceptual limitations and it is frighteningly easy to fuck with a brain.

>>81762468
God is illogical. Anyone who says otherwise isn't believing in God, but just some very powerful entity.

>>81762491
Geriatrics being old doesn't give them authority.

My grandmother used to ramble about Jews and how I should avoid those nasty "niggers".

>>81762489
It was never "for everyone" we just swing back and forth a lot. It was significantly more atheist and liberal when I started going here in 07 or so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's headed that way now

>>81762491
>this bootlicking appeal to authority
Brainwashed retards, the whole lot of you.

Go ahead and call me a fedora.

>>81762239
Christfags are never open to discussion, otherwise they wouldn't be christfags.

Really makes ya think.

>>81762489

It's because you're the annoying faggot who threw a fit because someone had dogmatic conversations with their spouse.

>>81762501
Human perceptual limitations don't matter. The workings of time don't matter either other than the realization of the moment. The awareness of any thought at all (I shouldn't have to tell you this includes computer simulations, brains in jars, etc) is proof of the existence of the universe/reality.

This will be the last post I make on a concept that is discussed in the very first philosophy course students take. If you can't even get past this point there's not much to do here.

>>81762526
>My grandmother used to ramble about Jews and how I should avoid those nasty "niggers".
But she's right on both of those.

>>81762607
From what I just witnessed it doesn't look like fedora tippers are really willing to have a discussion either.

Neurons are currently revving up.

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>>81759671
I saw this when it first aired.

>>81761891
>Gorgayles
oh my god, all these years, and I had no idea she was trying to say "gargoyles" WHAT THE FUCK IS A GORGLE SUPPOSED TO BE?

>>81762491
I work in a nursing home, and a majority of the time it's "What time is lunch?" every 5 minutes, or "Where's the toilet?" for the hundredth time
Or the one where they don't know where they are.

>>81762655
>Human perceptual limitations don't matter
The conversation is about what you interpret to be true or not, so it absolutely does matter.
>The workings of time don't matter either other than the realization of the moment
This doesn't mean anything. Just pseudo-intellectual ramblings.
>The awareness of any thought at all (I shouldn't have to tell you this includes computer simulations, brains in jars, etc) is proof of the existence of the universe/reality.
No, it's proof that you interpret that you think a self exists.
>This will be the last post I make on a concept that is discussed in the very first philosophy course students take.
Are you under the impression that philosophy is one consistent concept or idea that everyone agrees with? Are you retarded?
>if you can't even get past this point there's not much to do here.
I can't get past how you don't understand that nothing in skepticism is certain, not even the self. While I myself do not hold that belief, I do acknowledge and understand how my perception of space-time is limited.

You for some autistic reason, don't.

>>81762681
Probably because fedora tippers are right.

>>81762678
Poor bait.

>>81760282
Was your gf ugly too?

>>81762655
????
When your "proof" of reality is confined to a singular momentary subjective perception then what credence does that "proof" bear? It doesn't in anyway discount a solipsistic existence.

>>81762777
Literally checkmate, atheists.

>>81762756

You're crippled by the constant need to point out that the self is relative. People believe in a truth beyond their selves.

Plato says 'I know that I know nothing'. You can discern a usable reality based on your perception. People believe things are true.

>>81762491
I've worked near retirement homes, and even ruling out the senile ones I've encountered tons of old people that are complete morons. Being 80 alone doesn't mean shit. Any idiot can get old.

>>81762830
Atheists are called the fedora tippers

>>81762908
Yes, that was the point.

>>81762908
Gadzooks!

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>>81762876
>You're crippled by the constant need to point out that the self is relative.
Because it is.
>People believe in a truth beyond their selves.
That means nothing objectively.
>Plato says 'I know that I know nothing'.
Ironic that you bring this up.
>Tou can discern a usable reality based on your perception.
To a degree...you have an issue with where that perception ends. You are towing the line close to metaphysics or magic.
>People believe things are true.
Which is not how truth works and I know this triggers you.

>>81762823
Solipsism is also pretty retarded in some degrees.

>>81762955

Yeah, faith is metaphysical belief. A lot of people tie it to their physical success because the mind is so important, but faith is metaphysical.

>>81763042
Which is why it is autistic.

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>>81759878

>>81763051

The autistic spectrum is also a metaphysical belief.

>>81762037
>Christians and Muslims don't agree
COLOR ME FUCKING SHOCKED!!!

That youtube channel is Christfsg garbage though.

>>81763158
*christfag

>>81759825
This 2bh.

>>81759878
This is completely accurate. This sort of rubbish was everywhere through the mid 00s. No wonder le epic atheism meme boomed in the late 00s.

>>81760924
Imagine being this brainwashed, and not realising it.

>>81760756
>I think they will be drawn more to the Catholic church than the Protestant.
Sad!

>>81763227
It was everywhere because the Bush presidency pushed born again nonsense on the nation. You'd be crazy not to talk about it.

>>81759671
What made you post this ancient video OP?

>>81761231
4chan is a Christian conservative website now. Soon all the anime and porn filth will be gone.

>>81763227
It isn't a meme. They are real people. People have been coming out more and more as irreligious

>>81763304
True, but it just seemed like edgy contrarianism, insulting Christianity because it was the 'rebellious' and 'cool' thing to do.

>>81761152
Pretty sure Catholicism is shrinking in pretty much every non-hispanic demographic. I don't really follow that stuff too closely, but I've heard of a fair amount of catholic churches being shut down due to a lack of people

>>81763379
No doubt they're real people, I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the rise of edgy atheism/anti-theism through the mid 00s.

>>81763383
Truth to power, anon. Easier to mock estsblishment religions.

Atheists aren't making laws...

>>81763445
>Atheists aren't making laws...
they are, but through the judicial branch rather than the legislative

>>81763445
>Atheists aren't making laws
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/veiled-meaning-the-french-law-banning-religious-symbols-in-public-schools/

>Religious symbols banned in public schools

>tfw you remember when this aired and all the fads on ytmnd about it
jesus christ

>>81763545
They don't belong in public schools. Any retard can make that decision.

>>81763501
No they aren't. Atheists are rarely in any positions of power, kiddo

>>81763652
People can whatever religious symbol they want in a public place, ie a school.

>>81763671
They are, but they're cryptoatheists.
See: Roe v Wade

>>81763545
Is this proof? Because it really isn't

>>81763694
>"cryptoatheists" are behind Roe v Wade
>Roe v Wade is...bad?
What is fucking wrong with you, retard?

>>81763693
PUBLIC

>>81763694
>>81763717
Funny thing, Jane Roe later became a hardcore anti-abortion pro-lifer, years after she won the case.

>>81763545
Did you fucking read your own link, aspie?
>The law, which will enter into force in September, does not ban the wearing of headscarves or any other conspicuous symbol in public places, universities, or in private schools, and does not actually change the status quo established in France by a government ruling in 1989 and a ministerial decree in 1994. Rather, the law is a narrowly defined reassertion of religious neutrality within French public schools.

This sounds great. How does it trigger you?

>>81763741
Yeah, it doesn't mean NO RELIGION ALLOWED. Spearation of church and state doesn't mean that religious things aren't allowed in public places, it means that the laws cannot be made with religion in mind.

>>81763750
Who cares?

>>81763717
I didn't say it was bad, but the decision flies squarely against religious moral teachings.

>>81763785
Laws can't be made to promote a specifix religion or denounce other faiths. This does not mean nobody can make associative laws protecting religion or freedom of/from it. Again, from your own link you were too retarded to read:
>The law, which will enter into force in September, does not ban the wearing of headscarves or any other conspicuous symbol in public places, universities, or in private schools, and does not actually change the status quo established in France by a government ruling in 1989 and a ministerial decree in 1994. Rather, the law is a narrowly defined reassertion of religious neutrality within French public schools.

>>81763822
Which is good, religions aren't supposed to dictate laws. We live in a secular society in the US. This isn't a Christian-run nation

>>81763849
Don't fool yourself into thinking that the laws of this nation were not directly inspired by Christianity.

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>>81763266
Religious people exist, so that's not hard to imagine.

>>81763829
I linked that to show that atheists make laws, France of course, being an atheist majority country.

>>81763889
They weren't and the founding fathers absolutely despised Christianity.

>>81763889
Among other things, but that sure as shit doesn't mean this country follows the bible right down to the last letter.

>>81763900
But that really is just a reach, it isn't an explicitly atheist law you dumb faggot. What does that even mean? So anything remotely secular means explicitly atheist now?

And I don't live in France.

>>81763940
Of course, I never implied that.
The only point of this chain of posts is to point out that atheists are making laws.

>>81763969
But they aren't though. Why do you keep trying to make this retarded point? Atheists have never been a majority power on any level of government in the US, majority of lawmakers are Christian.

There being secular laws don't help your argument. Fucking shit you are dumb.

>>81764002
>majority of lawmakers
I specified which branch was making laws
>are Christian
Yeah, and I'm a Muslim, Allah ackbar.

>>81764024
>I specified which branch was making laws
...and they are all virtually Christian.

>>81764054
As I said, Allah ackbar.

>>81764066
Right. I have no fucking clue what you are saying

>>81764083
Their claims are not backed up by evidence.
This isn't just passing secular laws, it's passing laws that violate religious dogma to the extreme (as I mentioned earlier).

But I don't see this line of inquiry going anywhere fast with you, so I'll say that if in their capacity they make decisions as an atheist, they are in that moment at least, an atheist.

>>81764145
>Their claims are not backed up by evidence.
Who's?

None of this makes any real sense. Atheists are not a lobbyist group like Christians are, you seem to be missing that.

Christian lobbyists are some of the most powerful in the entire country.

>>81764145
>violate religious dogma
Who gives a fuck? Religious dogmas aren't laws....

>>81764294
As much as it is stated, lobbyists do not make the laws.
And no one lobbies the fucking supreme court, who have lifetime appointments (precisely to avoid this problem).

>>81764320
You are speaking without context of the conversation, this isn't about what's right, wrong, efficient or anything of that nature. Merely about who makes laws.

>>81761898
>>de cartes knew nothing of le big bang

kys

>create a planet just for humans
>cover it with 75% salt water

>>81764368
>As much as it is stated, lobbyists do not make the laws.
But they have immense control over the people who do.
>And no one lobbies the fucking supreme court, who have lifetime appointments
Supreme Court isn't the legislative Branch, friendo. They preside on rulings of law...not write law. Even so, lobbyists in the US hold tremendous sway over Supreme Court decisions as well. We don't have a perfect system.
>precisely to avoid this problem
It isn't working.
>Merely about who makes laws.
Supreme Court doesn't make laws...

But massive Christian lobbyist groups put incredible pressure on lawmakers. This is a fact bud. They hold much more political clot than atheists, whom aren't organized and have no real structure anywhere to work as a political entity.

Hence: truth to power.

>>81764452
>They preside on rulings of law...not write law
Legislating from the bench happens, it's the specific example I mentioned earlier.

I would agree about the truth to power statement, but I think it's a complete falsehood to pretend that atheists (or at least, atheism) has nothing to do with lawmaking.

>>81764491
>Legislating from the bench happens
Buddy, again, this is illegal in the US. The branches are not structured this way, Supreme Court does not write laws. This is a phrase...not to be taken in a literal sense.
>it's a complete falsehood to pretend that atheists (or at least, atheism) has nothing to do with lawmaking.
If your argument that "any secular law is atheist, therefore atheists have power" then I guess so. But that would be retarded to reach in this discussion. They have no presence in the Senate, House or Supreme Court. I don't know where you get that they have any influence on laws. If that were so, the pledge would be rightfully banned and religious iconography would be removed from state properties and currency...which it should be, but it isn't.

Or there would be more respect for the separation of church and state...there isn't.

The evidence just isn't there.

>>81764610
>this is illegal in the US
And yet it happens all the time, they have far too much freedom in "interpreting" the law.
>If your argument that "any secular law is atheist, therefore atheists have power"
Only the secular laws that go against the religious dogma you believe all these people have carved into their minds, plenty of which get passed.
These people, for the most part, make decisions as an atheist would, they listen to the lobbyist groups not because they share some nametag in common, but because they like money and being re-elected.

>>81764418
Oooh, that scathing wit of His.

>>81764678
>And yet it happens all the time
No, it doesn't.

@81763057
Suck a dick fag, learn to 4chan

>>81764678
Your argument doesn't make any sense. The word secular does not explicitly mean "atheist". You honestly think most of these lawmakers aren't religious?

Look at abortion and gay rights...

How are you still arguing with me?

>>81760756
People associate Catholicism with pedophilia

>>81760497
Can you be more obvious with your daddy issues?

>>81764763
>The word secular does not explicitly mean "atheist"
I elaborated on that.
> You honestly think most of these lawmakers aren't religious?
Yes.
>Look at abortion and gay rights...
You specifically mentioned those massive all-powerful Christian lobbyist groups and those are pretty much the only two big things they care about...

>>81764819
>You specifically mentioned those massive all-powerful Christian lobbyist groups and those are pretty much the only two big things they care about...
And?

>>81764819
>I elaborated on that.
And you were silly about it

You wom't just let this go, will you? I explained the areas in which you were incorrect, why can't it end now? Do you have autism?

It's like the reverse of raptor boy.

>>81759878
>proving a negative
Classic, do you guys even have any other arguments.

I'll prove it's not fake, and that god doesn't exist, when you prove you're not a faggot, fair?

>>81760870
your forefathers were peasants that converted to Christianity either because they were forced to or because it was economically convenient to do so.

>>81762808
It was Nathalie Portman

>>81764819
> You honestly think most of these lawmakers aren't religious?
>Yes.
Oh vey

>>81764858
Those who are consumed by greed don't care who they take money from.

>>81764885
>And you were silly about it
You didn't address it at all, you just completely ignored it, and now you're calling it silly.
>I explained the areas in which you were incorrect
I don't find any of your points to be correct or compelling.
>why can't it end now?
It can, I don't understand why you would continue to post if you dislike the conversation this much.
>Do you have autism?
Whatever makes you feel better, please spew some more memes at me before you stop posting though.

>>81764963
>I don't find any of your points to be correct or compelling.
Are you a Christfag?

>>81760282
Were you even jewish? I'd imagine that would really piss her off if her daughter was bringing home a gentile if she's that hardcore.

>the kind with 2 seperate kitchens and all that.
Oh jews, I hadn't even heard of that one before just the separate plates. Did they have a shabbos goyim for operating electronics on the sabbath as well?

>>81764956
>Nathalie

>>81764992
I asked you to spew more memes at me before leaving, but I wouldn't think you want to use it in a question form.
On account of you leaving the conversation after posting and all.

>>81760914
No religious group (if you'd call them that) gets more hate in the US then atheists, surveys have confirmed it. They're even more hated then muslims.

>>81761066
>higher levels of thinking about the nature of universe

*tips fedora*

>>81765098
Probably because the amount of muslims in your country hates infidels that don't have a god

>>81765052
Just answer the question

>>81761201
Yeah I don't think they were objecting to the concept, just that particular green text because of this great howler
>>God was not created, and has a nature which does not adhere to deterministic concepts such as cause and effect. There was no cause for God

Fuck you people are stupid.

>>81765098
I agree that atheists get a lot of hate but they aren't a religious group. Atheism isn't a religion

>>81765160
I am not, but I don't think it's a particularly important point.

Are you a fedora tipper?

>>81765224
Yeah I am. Just wondering if you had a religious bias forcing you to disagree with me.

>>81765171
Are you like, passively agreeing that this greentext makes sense?

>>81765231
Well I guess you had a religious bias forcing you to disagree with me, so all's well that ends well.

>>81765260
I don't, I'm not religious...

>>81765280
Precisely the bias forcing you to disagree with me.

>>81765300
But it doesn't work when you flip it...

>>81761548
Hypocrites they're called hypocrites.

>>81761898
>You'd have to insist that time loops back around on itself or some other speculative notion of the nature of the universe.
You're the guy arguing for the existence of a special magic god who defies cause and effect, right?

>>81765387
Sure it does, your lack of belief creates a bias as well, you just don't see it because it's your normal perspective.

>>81765387
Is it so difficult to understand that everyone is biased?

>>81765417
But it is a fact that most people in government are Christian, it is a fact that Christian lobbyists are one of the most influencial groups, it is a fact that atheists are an unrepresented and unorganized minority, it is a fact that Christian groups have influenced social policy.

You can't seriously be this obtuse and deny all of what I just said.

>>81765460
I'm biased AND with facts on my side though, that's the difference.

>>81765501
Hmm, so you believe you are completely unbiased because you have posted facts?

>>81765529
Nope, just said I was biased. But I am biased...with facts.

>>81762441
George Soros also supports Hillary Clinton and got his start selling out jews (he's jewish btw) to the nazis, sound like a good role model to you? What in the fuck does he know about ethics?

>>81765539
Okay, but the facts you reposted still completely ignore my rebuttals, so if you are trying to create a convincing dialogue, you have not made significant progress.

A side note: it is a logical fallacy to argue that because you have used facts in your argument that it is necessarily correct.

>>81763900
>France of course, being an atheist majority country.
No it isn't you idiot it's still two thirds catholic.

>>81764368
>As much as it is stated, lobbyists do not make the laws.
So naive.

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>>81765614
>it is a logical fallacy to argue that because you have used facts in your argument that it is necessarily correct
>you aren't correct
>if you use facts in your argument
What are you fucking smoking? That isn't a fallacy, buckaroonie.

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>>81765552
>got his start selling out jews (he's jewish btw) to the nazis
What tinfoil wearing /pol/ blogger convinced you of that? That's...retarded.

>>81765177
Hence why I added
>(if you'd call them that)
Also it gets treated as equivalent to one in these surveys seeing as it's mutually exclusive with belonging to a religion.

>>81765737
>it's mutually exclusive with belonging to a religion.
What are you fucking talking about?

>>81765141
There are significantly more atheists in the US then muslims, your argument makes no sense. Christians apparently just hate atheists that much.

>>81765552
Soros would be like, a child during the Holocaust. Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>81765693
I didn't say that using facts makes your argument incorrect, merely that stated because you used facts your argument is not necessarily correct.
You stated that you have a bias AND facts, and while it is obvious that a bias does not mean your argument is correct, simply using facts in your argument does not mean you are correct.

>>81765258
>fuck you people are stupid
Oh yes, totally, how could you have inferred otherwise?

>>81765795
>simply using facts in your argument does not mean you are correct.
Right, my argument is correct AND it is backed up by facts that support it.

Nice attempt at a hair splitting though.

>>81760829
(((yes)))

>>81765838
>Right, my argument is correct
Why even bother posting if this is the sort of attitude you're going to have?
Is this a masturbatory exercise for you?
You just continue to ignore my rebuttal and repost the same thing.
Argument ad nauseam as it were.

>>81759671
It's pretty fascinating, to be desu. I started browsing 4chan circa 2007, then left for a while pre-/pol/ then came back maybe a year or two ago and no it's hilarious. The mindless contrarianism has reached critical mass. In an attempt to be less 'reddit', /pol/shits are unironically pretending to be conservative Christians.

>>81760282
>had this constant look of disgust and disdain on her face because here I was, this broke ass, fat, unattractive neckbeard wearing a Magic the Gathering tshirt, no job, no future, shit grades in school
yea if my daughter was dating someone like that I'd do that, too.

>>81765953
I ignore your rebuttal because it was dumb, I explained why it is.

Did you just learn about logical fallacies kiddo?

>>81766004
> I explained why it is.
No, no you did not. You just called it silly and started jerking off.

>>81766110
Scroll back up.

Do you happen to be religious?

>>81766120
Scroll back up a bit further.
Right about where you said you were tired of the discussion before continuing it for another hour.

>>81766157
Are you religious

>>81766229
I've already answered this question.

>>81759671
>be nerd
>spend all day talking about 'muh paladins'
>'muh clerics'
>'muh will of iron'
>see one
>be fucking terrified

>>81766271
You didn't

aaand this thread.. is a perfect example of why neither Moot nor Hiroyuki has ever considered creating a religion forum. it'd be like /pol/ times /a/ to the power of /s4s/.

>>81766342
That sounds horrible, just let them stay in /x/

>>81766327
>it's another "I forgot everything you said earlier in the conversation now let me berate you while I repeat the exact same shit I said earlier" thread
I'm outta here.

>>81766445
Ok faggot.

>>81766664
I wasn't involved with this, but you're an idiot - see >>81765224

>>81766965
That doesnt make me an idiot, friendo

>>81767031
You "won" your argument by pleading ignorance.

>>81763158
>>81763177
t. muslim

>>81767324
No?

>>81767213
That isn't what happened but ok

>>81766422
funny, that's what the people in /x/ say about /pol/.

>>81767940
I'm not /pol/, I wouldn't know.

>>81759671
i remember watching this live around the time i stopped believing in santa.

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>>81760756
>tfw Greek Orthodox
When will you make the superior choice, /tv/?