Why didn't they just besiege Mina's Tirith and Helms

>>81758968

They didn't have enough time because frodo and sam were going to drop the ring in the volcano.

Because there was an infinite number of orcs. Why wait for years when you can bum rush something.

>>81759109
They didn't know that. Gandalf explicitly says earlier in TTT that the enemy has no idea of their plan

How does Gondor support a large population if they have no farms and thus have to trade for all their food?

>>81759132
You honestly think it would have made a better story if the orcs just hunkered down and lost when they dropped the ring.

The main reason orcs where any good was because of saruman, the wraiths and of course sauron.

Humans are smarter than orcs and would have defeated them if they didn't have magic shit.

>>81759145
They use eagles

>>81759145
>>81759282

Gondor is a kingdom, it isn't just Minus Tirith and Osgiliath

>>81758968
In both situations because the orcs were invading countries that had large armies that were temporarily unavailable. In Rohan Theoden was holding up in Helms Deep while his troops were martialed. At Minas Tirith the armies of Gondor were fighting the Corsairs out of Umbar. In both situations the forces of Mordor/Isengard were defeated when reinforcements arrived.

tl;dr: They had neither the numerical nor quantitative advantage for drawn out campaigns

>>81758968
>ywn see these movies for the first time ever again

>>81758968
do you browse /lit/?

>>81759132
no they thought the hobbit in minas had the ring, so they laid siege there and wanted it

>>81759332
So what was their tax policy? Why didn't they just make a policy that attacking them would result in increased taxes for their enemies?

>>81759145
the pelennor fields are their farms. jackson made them all bland and battlefield-y lookin to match the somberness of Gondor's situation, but they're supposed to have actually farms in there

>>81758968
lol why didn't they just throw the ring into space. or shoot it with a gun lol

>>81758968
Those were two different armies. It was Saruman's forces that attacked Helm's Deep.

>>81759332
This. Those are just the capital cities. I'm honestly wondering how many people in these threads don't actually understand that. Probably 50/50.

>>81759470
Has "A Song Of French Fries and Ice Cream" man even presented a single tax policy in his series?

Hypocritcal, fat slob.

>>81759576
Of course not. He's a fat, lazy neckbeard that only knows how to criticize.

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>>81758968
Because Aragon had an army of ghosts

>>81758968
When Aragorn uses the palantir he gives Sauron the impression that he has some trump card, which is most likely the ring. Sauron knows the west is in possession of it, and will most definitely try to use it against him. He wants to strike before they can finish bickering over the ring and mastering it. In a numbers game he is unbeatable anyways so he empties Mordor completely in a huge blitz.

t. master lorefag

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STOP, MY INVINCIBLE DESCENDANT

>>81759673
Also see >>81759503. I'm unsure what OP is asking.

>>81758968

Sauron wasn't ready to wage war, he was forced into it out of fear when Aragorn revealed himself via the palantir. Sauron assumed Aragorn had the Ring and would use it to destroy him, so he unleashed his invasion force before it was ready.

>>81759673

Why didn't they attack with more of Saruman's machinations aka Trebuchets and Bombs? Mobilization could explain the Trebuchets but surely they could have carried more explosives on them.

In the movies it seems they only have the Olympic runner and that's it.

>>81759757
>No, thats my water. Get your own

orks wouldve started killing each other

How high did life insurance premiums skyrocket during te invasion? Did the chaos impact that year's tax season? Why didn't Pippin file as a part-time resident of Rohan to halfling migrant status and protections?

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>>81758968
>Why didn't they just starve out the two locations where their defeat was caused by the timely arrival of reinforcements?

Helm's Deep was Saruman's forces and he wanted the ring for himself, so he would've hurried before a garrison from Mordor arrived.

Minas Tirith presumably since Sauron could afford to. He was zerg rushing Orcs 24/7. The battle was only turned by a random ghost army out of nowhere and even then only a paltry force remained that had no chance at the Black Gate.

Didn't Sauron actually lay siege to Dale and Erebor?

>>81760022
Did he really plow into Dale's beautiful behind? Damn, thats hot

>>81759994

In the books, Sauron had to blitz Minas Tirith because Gondor was bringing reinforcements to defend the White City, and Aragorn saves the day with Rangers he rallies from Arnor.

>>81758968
why didn't the orcs fly the eagles into minas tirith?

>>81758968
> The Enemy, of course, has long known that the Ring is abroad, and that it is borne by a hobbit. He knows now the number of our Company that set out from Rivendell, and the kind of each of us. But he does not yet perceive our purpose clearly. He supposes that we were all going to Minas Tirith; for that is what he would himself have done in our place. And according to his wisdom it would have been a heavy stroke against his power. Indeed he is in great fear, not knowing what mighty one may suddenly appear, wielding the Ring, and assailing him with war, seeking to cast him down and take his place. That we should wish to cast him down and have no one in his place is not a thought that occurs to his mind. That we should try to destroy the Ring itself has not yet entered into his darkest dream. In which no doubt you will see our good fortune and our hope. For imagining war he has let loose war, believing that he has no time to waste; for he that strikes the first blow, if he strikes it hard enough, may need to strike no more. So the forces that he has long been preparing he is now setting in motion, sooner than he intended.

>>81759145

I've taken a look back at the books, after Faramir's failed defense of the Rammas Echor walls (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Rammas_Echor), the army of the Witch King were unopposed when it finally marched onto Minas Tirith. I think in the book, there were mentions of farms through out the lands that were being burned down and destroyed by Sauron's military and the soldiers of Minas Tirith (I can't remember if they had evacuated all the civilians to some place safe) could see the farms being burned down.

>>81759473

Yeah, that's correct. Also Gondor had cities that were also sea ports, like Pelargir and the other I think being called Dol Amroth. Not only that, but when I read about Minas Tirith and the various peoples through out Gondor sending what ever few troops and arms they could spare, it does sound like there were many towns and villages instead of the two or three cities that were depicted in the films (Minas Tirith, Osgiliath, and Minas Ithil which became Minas Morgul long before the event of the films took place.)

Anyway, I don't think Pelargir, Dol Amroth, and the villages of Gondor were mentioned in the films. Maybe in the extended versions of the films, but I don't know, I've never sat through the extended versions.

>>81759801

Actually, if you've read the books, or the Appendices I think. Sauron, or at least his minions like the Ringwraiths and the countries of Umbar, Harad, or the Black Numenoreans, or the Wainriders, many of Sauron's forces were still operating after he was defeated by the Last Alliance of Elves and Men and had his ring cut away from him. So in the films, we see the War of the Ring. But in the books, it talks about the fall of the northern kingdom of Arnor by the Witch King of Angmar and the slow disintegration of Gondor as it has to fight off the Corsairs of Umbar and the Black Numenoreans, the Wainriders, the peoples of Harad, as well as the Orcish armies. Then the Uruk Hai appeared and because the Uruk Hai didn't have any aversions to sunlight, they were able to take down and sack Osgiliath and burn it. Which is why in the films, Osgiliath was nothing more than an ancient looking city that was a battle ground between the militaries of Gondor and Mordor.

>>81758968
why didn't they call in artillery support and bomb it to the ground?

>>81760741
The Eagles would've spotted the bombers

>>81760022
Yes, they were under attack at that time too.

To answer a few questions:
Everything from Minas Tirith to the River Anduin was farms.
Also, everything to the south and west of Minas Tirith (where Aragorn rode through after using the Paths of the Dead) were farms.
All the fighters in those places had gathered at Minas Tirith to defend it, because that was the stronghold.
Sauron wanted to crush Minas Tirith and thus his rival, who he imagined was there.
In the movie, it looks like Sauron's forces get halfway into the city before being stopped. In the book, they barely manage to break down the gate when Rohan arrives.
Then the battle is still not going really well for the good guys until Aragorn and the Dead arrive.
The book doesn't have the Dead going Pac-Man style through the streets of the city eating up the Orcs like the movie has.

>>81761030

I think that's mostly correct. However, Aragorn use's the ghost army at Pelargir to defeat the Corsairs. Then he used the ships of the Corsairs to sail up reinforcement from Pelargir and probably any one else along the way to Minas Tirith. There were no ghosts at the battle of Pelennor Fields.

>>81758968
Obviously because meat was back on the menu, so the defenders just had to order that and they wouldn't starve

>>81761355
now that we're on the topic, how did those orcs know what a menu was?

>>81760459
>I can't remember if they had evacuated all the civilians to some place safe
They did. Virtually all of the women and children were evacuated a few days before the siege began. A few remained to help in what ways they could (like Beregond's son who becomes friends with Pippin).

>>81758968
why didn't they just give the mithril shirt to the dwafs, so they can melt it in and shape it into a small metal bar, passit through the ring, then bend it and close the shape in a donut so noone can use the ring?

>>81761711
Why didn't someone just give a handjob to Sauron, it was clearly an angst issue with the guy.

>>81761171
Ohh you're right. He beat the Corsairs so that they couldn't in turn relieve Sauron's forces. His forces weren't a huge factor at Pelennor but they were enough to tip the battle.

>>81761396
They were Cockneys and even Cockneys use menus (in pubs)

>>81761711
>why didn't they give the Ring to the Dwarves and trust them to render it neutral
Oh, capital suggestion, mate

>>81759576
I was thinking of that too. I've read fucking fanfictions of ASOIAF that have had to fabricate entire institutions and groups that should exist in the "realistic" world GRRM has pretended he created but do not.

>>81761711

Because if Sauron's forces get their hands on that donut ring thing you suggested, they would just melt the mithril off of the Ring.

Because they would have starved first. Mordor was completely barren.

>>81763010

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mordor

>The southern part of Mordor called Núrn was slightly more fertile, and moist enough to carry the inland Sea of Núrnen. Nurn was made somewhat fertile because the ash blown from Mount Doom left its soil nutrient rich, thus allowing dry-land farming.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/N%C3%BArn

>Núrn was partially inhabited by Westron-speaking men that were enslaved by the Dark Lord Sauron. It was fertile enough to feed Sauron's numberless hordes during the War of the Ring. Its soil had been enriched by ash from Orodruin's eruptions, and its grasslands were fed by water from the Sea of Núrnen.

>>81763768
>bookfags
lol.
If it wasn't a part of the movies it doesn't exist.

>>81759801
What the hell does the ring do anyway ? We only know it made sauron Op.but didnt save isildur from being.killed like a lil bitch.
We also know that he has the power to turn hobbits invisible and to make them lives forever and ultimatly becoming weak limped fagget.
That doesnt seem pretty powerful desu

>>81764746
There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power.

What powers would YOU get from wearing the ring?

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>ywn play this in LOTR pajamas with your sibling again

feels bad lads

Why didn't frodo just give the ring back to golem? It fucked him up, sure, but he seemed to have the mental capacity to withstand complete corruption. He had that shit on him forever, and just chilled by himself in a cave, not bothering anyone. He probably would have just fucked off back to his fishing hole and the ring would have been lost all over again.

>>81765090
>people still don't understand LOTR

THE RING HAD TO BE DESTROYED BECAUSE SAURON WAS GROWING IN POWER WITHOUT IT AND HAD TO BE STOPPED

>>81758968
Orgs dont play that way

>>81759065
>Why didn't they just besiege Mina's Tirith and Helms Deep until the men all starved?

They couldn't have. The orcs were on a time-schedule with every siege.

>Helms Deep
They had to take the fortress BEFORE Gandalf showed up with the 5k reinforcements. Don't forget that they were 10k in number, but there was a few thousand people already in Helms Deep. The odds would be horribly against them if the fortress wasn't taken before Gandalf and his 5000 riders showed up.

>Minas Tirith
Sauron suspected Rohan might come to Gondor's aid, and even if that hard not been the case, Aragorn and crew were off getting the army of the dead. Of course they didn't know about the latter, but the former they did, and probably assumed they had to take the city before Rohan showed up (if at all), as that would give them a much better chance.

>>81765137
So, would he have been made whole again without it? Or should he remain an eye?

>>81764986
gonna make me cry m8

>>81765200
He wasn't an eye. The movies imply that but really he has a body, just diminished. He'd grow in power without the ring but would not reach the levels possible with the ring - that's why he wanted it so much.

>>81765137
Was the Ring Sauron's Horcrux then?

>>81759145
>How does Gondor support a large population if they have no farms

Gondor isn't just Minas Tirith Anon.

>>81758968
orcs will starve before the men starve

How come orcs and shit hate the light but uruk don't. What is it that causes them to be photosensitive, is this explained?

>>81765867
They were used as Chinese-esque gold-farmers in World of Warcraft. Sauron needed an income.

>>81764986
>you will never watch these kino vids for the first time again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPGNqYjOl-0

>>81758968
>Helm's Deep
Remember Gandalf, Eomer and their army ? Saruman had limited time to actually capture the city, a long siege wouldn't work
Similar with Minas Tirith. Rohan and the army of the dead was on its way, Sauron didn't have time to chit-chat, he had to conquer the city fast.

>>81759145
How does Mordor support such a large population when they're a desolate wasteland with no vegetation or water sources whatsoever?

>>81766529
By not being a desolate wasteland with no vegetation or water sources whatsoever

>>81758968
why were there no orc-sympathizers? im sure some humans wanted to get blacked by orcs

>>81764746
The ring serves only it's master.

>>81763768
>quoting lotr-wikia

Use tolkiens gateway senpai

>>81759803
Remember that while Saruman was allied with Sauron, that they were two different forces. The Uruk Hai which attacked Helms Deep with gunpowder and the orcs which besieged Minas Tirith weren't led by the same person. It was only Saruman and his uruk hai who were shown to have gunpowder.

>>81758968
Yes Orcs are best utilized sitting around fighting amongst themselves.

>>81759109
If sauron new his enemy was heading for mount doom with his ring, what do you think he'd do...