>episode 8 will introduce the idea of the "Grey Jedi"

\Starwars is worse than capeshit. This inane shit makes me sick.

>>81697616
>psh, nothing personel: The Character

I think its overcomplicating something that doesn't really need all that complexity to it. Its a yin yang thing, you don't need to look at that black white balance and think hmm... what can we do to shake things up a bit.

an explanation of the grey jedi from some star wars sperg

>The grey jedi walk a fine line between the two. They are not tied down by the dogma of the dark and light. They realize the usefulness of using emotions whereas the jedi eschew them, yet they do not let them rule them as the sith do. They do only as the force wills. They kill if it is needed, they go where they must go.

>le grey Jedi meme
She's going to be a force user who doesn't allign herself with either Jedi or Sith. Grey Jedi aren't a thing, you can't be a grey Vegan or a grey Christian

The idea of using both sides of the force is the correct way to use it, hence all the people who have done so are more powerful than those that pick a side.

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>Rey
>grey

It's a stupid idea and one of the worst things the EU ever introduced (despite lots of fanboys saying the opposite).

You can't be a law abiding citizen and a criminal at the same time.

Mace and Qui Gon were grey.

>>81697616
isin't this a contratiction to the entire point of each side.
>inb4 katarn posting.

>>81697802
No they weren't. They were practising Jedi who respected the council but liked to bend the rules.

>>81697802
qui gon was referenced at being one for his political beliefs but never showed anything proving him being grey

and mace was a fucking shit character

why wasn't mace windu a sith when he was a black jedi?

>>81697834
dark side of the force is not the same as the black side of the force

Sith aren't "black" Jedi. That's not how it works.
If they're anything they're Bendu, but the term grey Jedi is functionally retarded

>>81697802
They weren't

is this one of those cancerous ideas that spawned out of the EU?

why did the EU make so much shit stuff that everyone seems to love?

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were these 2 grey?

>>81697616
How do you introduce an idea that has existed for decades

>>81698065
No, they were Force sensitive non-Jedi.

>>81697616
It's nothing new. Darth Revan, Mace Windu, Count Dooku, Ezra Bridger and even Luke himself were "grey" before grey was a thing.

>>81698087
it only existed in the EU and was qui gon was called a "gray jedi" in episode 1 but now theyre fully bringing into canon

>>81697616

that the "religion" of the jedi is daoism is not a new revelation kids. this theory is as old as usenet, which is older than you...

>>81697800
You're misrepresenting the claim.

>>81698065
looked like a chink and a samoan nigga to me

>>81698103
Yeah, but they still framed themselves within the boundaries of Jedi/Sith
>I'm still a Jedi, even if I get mad at people
>I'm still Sith even if I don't kill babies

>>81697616
>grey jedi

fuck, i hope this isn't the case. it's so fucking overdone.

Luke says "I only know one truth, it's time for the Jedi to end" so who knows what will happen

>>81698235
That's not Luke's voice though

>>81697616
literally anime tier writing

jesus christ

>>81698270
Yes it was. That's how Mark Hamill sounds these days

>>81698270
who's voice is it then?
I know Hamil's voice has changed quite a bit over the years so I just assumed it was him

>>81697616
That was literally what both Mace and Anakin did (until Anakin went apeshit).

>>81697616
You cant really be a grey Jedi though. You can be a grey force user, as you balance the light and dark, but being a Jedi is a religion that is firmly to the Light. Even the more grey type of Jedi like Windu still identified as Jedi and followed the Jedi Code.

>>81697616
"introduce" a concept that's been around since kotor.

very cool

>>81698350
"introduce" meaning bringing it to the main universe and the movies...

>>81698335
I wouldn't say Anakin was because he harnessed the Dark Side, but he never learnt how to control it (e.g. killing the sand people)

Kyle Katarn is the only grey jedi

>>81698340
this
Grey Jedi would be saying that you are a strong follower of Judaism but also dabble in a bit of Islam

>>81697616
>Good Grey Jedi
One who has a different philosophy to the force, but is still light aligned
>Bad Grey Jedi
One who acts like a Sith but never falls for some arbitrary reason

>>81698340
"Grey Jedi" in the old EU pretty much meant "neutral Force user"
It's a misnomer, as you pointed out, but it's fan fiction, so whatya gonna do

They're fixing that problem now though. No more Jedi

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So this is the part of the cycle where /tv/ posts tons of fanfics and pretend they're script leaks. At least this isn't the one about the fucking tree.

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>>81697616
>name: grey the hedgehog

>power: soul-burst

>ability: able to use both light and dark magic without being corrupted


come on

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more like GAY jedi, amirite?

So what is Ahsoka then?

>>81698501
a fucking cartoon

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>>81697616
WE ANIME NAO

>>81698501
ded.
Peeved by Sheev.

>>81698501
fucking dead is what she is.

>>81698501
A former Jedi who no longer walks the path or follows the religion. She is a force user who just happens to use lightsabers

You don't have to be a grey Jedi ffs. Mace dindu drew on the dark side, and many other Jedi too.. it's why you use the force that determines your stance.

Also, not all force users have to be Jedi or Sith.

>>81698501
Light side force user, but not a Jedi.

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Oh hi Disney. I'm glad you ripped off of me.

>>81698525
Star Wars has always been Anime
Or more accurately, Anime has always been Star Wars

What was anime like before 77?
Astroboy?

>>81698479
ROR

>>81697719
Sound like crazy Islamists to me

>>81698570
Can't rip off what you own bro

>>81697616
>LOL who needs good guys
>Everything is relative kids
>Nothing matters just fuck and kill but don't be rude about it

That's basically Judaism where they think they can jew God and Satan

>>81697616
>which is a jedi who can walk the path of jedi and sith
So Rey will try to take over the galaxy like the Sith wanted?

>>81698563
>using the force to kill to protect our belief system and agenda is good and them using the force to kill to protect their belief system and agenda is bad the argument.

The only difference between the Jedi and the Sith are that the Jedi are fucking hypocrites.

>>81697719

Sounds like neoliberal ideology (((they))) want to I still in impressionable youths of today through Star Wars

>>81698624

This, basically.

It's also proof that Disney Jews give no shits about the lore of what they're adapting, as they clearly have no fucking idea how the "balance" of the Force works.

>>81697616
Reminder that the leaks claimed Kylo never takes off his helmet, and that we've already seen him without it in the trailer.

The Force is not exclusive to just Jedi and Sith. Those are just two orders that use it.

>>81698529
>>81698536
She is not dead.

>>81697616
>>81697719

>For you see, while I rescued a kitten from a tree, I ALSO stepped on a puppy and crushed its spinal column. Truly a balanced existence. I sure am smarter than both those Jedi and Sith.

Sounds like a great new concept to introduce.

>>81698731
The major leak also has Lando in it
And that's been confirmed false

Thank god too

why the fuck do these hack directors keep getting star wars? is disney retarded or are they intentionally trying to kill the franchise?
first JJ now some guy whose only made like 4 movies? what the dick

>>81698666
>>81698666
trips confirm
I also think that the Jedi are stubborn and deserve to get killed off

>>81698790
>fights Vader in a crumbling temple
>Vader walks away in victory
she's as dead as Kanan and Ezra will be in the final season.

I gotta say, Star Wars Episode 8 The Last Jedi is very cool

>>81698065
Nah, Ip-man was just force sensitive. He wanted to be a jedi but never became one.

>>81698829
Because that way they have complete control over the director
They're not going to have someone who does his own thing
They want someone who does everything that marketing says appeals to the biggest audience

>>81697984

The theories of Luke being a grey Jedi have been around since the 70's.

I don't know if they used the term grey, but needs have always speculated as much.

>>81698694
What? Literally the only people who see the world in black and white are /pol/tards and liberals.

>>81698829
TOYS

It was retarded in the EU and it's retarded now. Only purpose it serves is to give Rey a new superpower that we haven't seen before

>>81697802

Mace was black Quigon was white

We can all agree that the only time the Jedi were ever actually good guys was the original trilogy before it got clogged up with prequels and fanfiction

>>81698971
The sad thing is that George wanted the Jedi in the prequels to be unequivocally good.
The hypocrisy of lines like "Only the Sith deal in absolutes!" went right over his head

>>81698971

nope
OT and nuSW Jedi are Marveltier special snowflake superheroes

>>81698570
>Disney takes note of what is one of the best EU characters and actually decides to do something interesting instead of the same old light vs dark shit
>hurr fuck you Disney for ripping off the good SW EU stuff!

You faggots will never be happy.

>>81698971
Revan was pretty cool.

>>81699033
Happiness is an illusion

>>81699033

Revan wasnt grey

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>>81697616

>>81697616
>Rey, which is a jedi who can walk the path of jedi and sith at the same time balancing the two and using the powers of each other without cost.
You know this makes her a super marry Sue. Whats the point of going forward.

>>81699071
This is the guy who said that people liked the prequels as much as the originals

>>81699068
If anyone qualified as being Grey it would be Revan. He was both a Jedi and then a Sith and then Jedi again and could use the Force in balance.

>>81697719
sounds like a sith

>>81697616
you cant follow the path of the sith half assedly
those who follow the sith path in moderation are doomed to fail
they are destroying everything the original cannon stood for
gg

>>81699071
That is a thing though. There are people who call themselves vegetarians who eat fish.

>>81699068
He was a master of both the light and dark side, doesn't matter what name you give him.

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Do we Kingdom Hearts now?

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>grey jedi

>introduce grey jedi
Kotor had grey jedi as a major plot aspect in both games

>>81699111
>>81699169


He was a Jedi, then he was Sith then Jedi again.
Being able to use both side of the force =/= grey jedi

Revan was nothing sort of a grey Jedi.

>>81699168
They're pescetarians

No Jedi no Sith, ok cut print end of story.

>>81698793
nah m8, that's a bad analogy

>I don't run around as a fucking power ranger trying to mantain the peace and stability of the galaxy but I also don't try to destroy every living thing

>>81699169

so every Sith is a grey jedi also?

there are force powers(neutral) and dark side force powers.

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Oh look, a Jolee thread. The only actual neutral jedi

>>81699206
He's right though.

Show me one time where moderate beliefs were a mistake? Pro tip: You can't

>>81699206
What if my serious convictions are that passion is an incredibly powerful tool, but I shouldn't let some flavors of passion (such as hatred), motivate my force usage.

>>81697616

You mean like a real person?

>did you know that having a natural ability doesn't necessarily mean you must follow a certain path?
>whoa dude, slow down
it's like if you're naturally good at shooting you have to lose all your human traits and be either a cop or a burglar.
this shit is retarded
the jedi are retarded
the sith are retarded
star wars is retarded

>>81697616
WE WUZ REVANS AN SHIEET

>>81699285
>neutral

he was light-sided as fuck, the only is that he didn't want to join or work with the jedi order

>>81699285
Jolee was based as fuck
Best character in KotOR1

>>81699292
American politics post 9/11. Mostly because the moderate position shifted along with both political parties into cuckoo land that approved things like the patriot act.

>>81697719

Sounded good except for the last part about killing when they must.. needs to be taken more serious than that. This all just sounds like a soldier.

If there is a grey Jedi can there be a light Sith?

>>81699222
nice trips
me myself, i'm a pesca-pescatarian.

>>81698607

The only criticism of them you can have for this is they didn't go even FURTHER with it. They fucking OWN that shit.

>>81699387
Dooku?

You guys don't even know what a real moderate is. Basically libertarians and paleo conservatives

You all know jedi are virgins so this means Rey is getting that luke cock. Sith are the Chads

>>81697616
Sounds like some some dragon ball super saiyan god bullshit

>>81697800

Robin Hood. Doing what's right regardless of the law.

>>81698969
kek

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>>81697616
>Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them.

>>81699402
Yeah, but this is a billion dollar business
Half the people who see Star Wars do it because they recognize names and shit.
>Revan? Who the fuck is that? Boring.

We live in a world where the Fast and the Furious have 8 movies, each them of making more money than the last

>>81698065
You could say that they were gray for each other

>>81699353
Canderous and HK-47 were the best

>people in this thread saying that Revan is a grey jedi

Revan is the definition of a good guy, he is very far from a bad guy. Even when he was "baddie" he was trying to do good.

I cant name any grey Jedi though. It would mean you dont give a fuck about anything and just live your life as a force user. Even Jolee is not a grey Jedi.

Actually being a "Jedi" already means you arent grey. That means you sides with the Jedi.
You can be a neutral/grey force user.

>>81699474
Nope, certain techniques leads to the dark side aka dark side powers.
ie. 7th lightsaber form or breaking the dude's ribs with the force kotor2 style or just straight up breaking their neck swtor style

>>81699206
That image makes no sense. A true centrist holds strong convictions that there must be a balanced system to determine our needs and wants. With Left/Right, Black/White, etc. you get push and pull with no middle ground. People will often push the opposite opinion just to disagree with the opposing side, centrism is essentially saying that picking sides is retarded because there aren't two opinions there are many. Then in having many options you need to stay in the middle because it allows you to consistently evaluate everything around you.

Politics for example is something that is supposed to be heavily centrist while presented in a spectrum of formats with an intent to find that healthy medium. This obviously isn't the case in today's society mainly due to polarisation but the idea that you have to pick a side is retarded. I often pick the side that isn't represented just to equalise it.

Grey Jedi's make complete sense because the entire foundations of the force has been based in Daoism.

>>81699406
He was Jedi that embraced the dark side of the force but still kept his Jedi religion. He would count as a grey Jedi.

>>81699484
Is that how you increase your mediclorian count.

>>81699576
Well except for that whole "I am a Sith Lord" thing he had going on

>>81699594

kek

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Thematically, the concept has much more story telling potential and is much for grown up than bed time story pure good vs pure evil retardation. It expands the concept of the Jedi to the idea that balance is something to be found within an individual, not necessarily between individuals. Manchildren of /tv/ and manchildren star wars fans will have a problem with it as they are psychologically incapable of accepting change and new directions, lest we forget massive buttrage over female leads, etc. Ironically, they would also complain about the new trilogy being too similar to the old while being asspained about it being too different. Ultimately, they are just children throwing tantrums over everything looking for attention with simple minds incapable of grasping concepts more complex than those made for toddlers.

>>81697616

>>A Jedi who uses good the light side force powers but still acknowledges emotion.

All of this is to just clean up George Lucas's shitty prequel writing and bring it back to the original trilogy concepts.

>>81699574
You typed so much and said nothing

>>81697650
fpbp

>people still think the series is about Rey and not Ben even though Ben is biologically a Skywalker and the movies have always been about Skywalkers

If anyone is becoming a grey jedi, it's Ben

>>81699634
nope
star wars was and is always about light vs dark, jedi vs sith

grey jedi retardation is for super special snowflakes

>>81699563
>7th lightsaber form or breaking the dude's ribs with the force kotor2 style or just straight up breaking their neck swtor style
>HOW YOU USE THEM

itt: autism

>>81699698
In the poster, Rey's lightsaber turns red as it goes up.

Hmmm.....

>>81699706

>HOW YOU USE THEM

well how else do you use a lightsaber form?

>>81697616
I think they're movies for children and not to think too deeply into it

>>81699660
I didn't even type that much.

Here's an easier version for you to understand. Balance is good because it provides alternatives instead of thinking there are only two sides to an argument.

>>81698570

How are they ripping off Revan?

People are accusing them of ripping off Kriea, but i don't think that's necessarily the case. Kreia wanted to destroy the force itself, Juke only says "The Jedi"

>>81699698

Uncle Ben is dead though

>>81699761
Depends entirely on who do you kill and why.

>/tv/ is upset about Grey Jedi

This board is fucking /v/-tier in its contrarianism and bipolar posting.

>>81699698
No because in the previous movie Kylo killed Han Solo and this is a children's movie. There won't be a redemption arc for that.

>>81699771
remember that children still stay on their parents health care till 26.

>>81699071
>Grey vegetarian
eat the meat that needs to be eaten
you only eat inherently evil animals

>>81699841

killing is evil

>>81697821
>>81697830
Mace practised the combat style that was borderline dark side, nigga was playing with fire in his beliefs and actions

>>81699826
anon is referring to Kylo Ren

Ben Solo is going to become the anti-hero

mark my words

Using both sides of the Force without paying a price is fanfiction-tier.

It made sense in video games because it's fun to shoot lightning out of your fingers while playing the good guy. It's a power fantasy (ironic given that wanting power, even in theory, is pretty much a Dark Side thing).

Even the Bendu, who claimed to be the one in the middle was ultimately a selfish asshole with serious anger issues once given impetus to do anything other than act cryptic.

In SW, you're either good or bad, and inaction is basically the same as letting the bad guys get away with their bullshit.

>>81699574
No they don't. Yin and Ying aren't equivalent to good and evil. Take one out and everything suffers. Remove evil and no one's going to find much to complain about.

>>81697719
>yet they do not let them rule them as the sith do

Sith are never ruled by their emotions. They use them. Anakin lost on Mustafar because he let his emotions rule him.

>>81697616
It's a retarded idea for idiot fanfiction inserts that completely goes against the Force mysticism.

>>81699902

and i was referencing spiderman you faggot

>>81699902
I was saying that when people were posting about Rey was going to use a double saber.

>>81697616
Jedi are retarded and Sith are sadistic.
I get the concept of a Grey Jedi.
The entire council of Jedi does because of their code.
If they weren't so adamament about going into the dark side, they would have survived.
Rey being taught a new code is actually interesting.
I just hope they don't fuck it up.

>>81699972
>If they weren't so adamament about going into the dark side, they would have survived.
No Sheev was that powerful and Anikin was too old to keep his dick dry.

>>81699856
>Luke and/or Rey eventually makes Kylo realize that Snoke manipulated him into killing his own father (and possibly mother)
>Kylo wants revenge
>In episode 9 he redeems himself in some big scene where he's battling Snoke and he ends up sacrificing himself to kill Snoke a la the end of ROTJ with Vader/Palpatine

How could you not see Disney doing this

>>81697616

Fucking finally. I've been waiting for ages to see the grey on the main story line.

Never thought Disney would be the one to bring this up... maybe SW isn't as soulless and lost as i've thought.

>>81699919
>Good/Evil

No but bad things often balance everything out. Most people who have amazing lives still have things to complain about. Balance and relativity are extremely important. Sure you don't go stabbing people to death, but eliminating all problems is in itself a problem.

Dark and light side while setup as good and bad don't have to be that simple. Suffering, pain, anger, etc. are all motifs of the dark side and aren't allowed to even be a thing on the light side. Balance among these allows a person to be a person. It's like suggesting that there can only be Lawful Good and Chaotic Evil, grey jedi doesn't have to be true neutral.

>>81697616
This is bait right?
Guys?

>>81700094

>how can you not see rehashing the whole OT

but i do

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Balance fuckers. Balance.

What Rey is lies in what the Jedi were originally, not what they are now, what they were before the Sith broke off in the Great Schism. This isn't necessarily the same as being a "Gray Jedi" but its not what the Jedi are now. The idea i think is the Jedi's own modern concept of balance and modern philosophy has become corrupted as they reacted to the Sith throughout the ages, the Jedi now basically co-opt the Sith, causing them to continually come into existence even after they are destroyed. So the Jedi (as they are now, as their philosophy is now) has to be destroyed so the Sith stop coming about as a sort of reactive force. The ebb and flow has to stop. The idea of balance lies in Rey becoming more like the original ancient Jedi and that may be Gray-ish in some aspects but not really.

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>muh moderation is the best
Literally pic related. Fuck this.

>>81700288

exactly

overdose on drugs or dont take them at all desu

A Grey Jedi is badically a Sith who doesn't go full edge and doed whatever the fuck he wants.

>>81699861
>Paying for healthcare
burger

>>81700216
Strictly speaking "balance" would be the constant and equal struggle between dark and light. The very (star) war itself is the balance.

>>81700321
No, the assumption that moderation is always the best is fallacious. You can make a great case for middling beliefs, but clinging to moderation as the ultimate principle is fucking dumb.

>>81698501
A mary sue

she should not have survived the fight with darth vader

>>81700216
Vader brought balance to the force by killing Palpatine and himself.

>>81698501
a mistake

>>81700391
Why?

>>81700288

Don't worry, I too was an know it all edgy 17 year old. But those things start to wear off (hopefully) by the time you reach your 20's.

>>81700428
He didn't bring balance. L>uke walked away alive just to make a new Jedi order and thus bringing the force out of balance again.

>>81699446
demonstrably false

>>81699446
>Robin Hood. Doing what's right regardless of the law.
That would be a Jedi.

>>81700133
People have things to complain about because they're not perfect. They're greedy or ambitious or insert whatever character flaw here. They often need bad things to provide perspective because they themselves are flawed. Eliminate all problems and you basically have heaven on Earth, which is great if you're a perfect goody two shoes, but for flawed beings like ourselves, that sounds horrifying because we can't cope with a world that's better than we are.

It's an important position to consider when you think about how Yoda emphasized that all beings are "luminous," existing as something more than the "crude matter" of the material world, which again fits with a lot of philosophy and religious thought of a flawed material world and a higher conceptual one.

Ultimately, in the case of SW, Anakin fails to control his own darkness and succumbs. Luke is tempted, but he recognizes the darkness in himself, and rejects the quick and easy path to power that is offered him. Good might not be quick or as seductive, but the discipline it requires is much more fulfilling (and learning to accept one's own darkness is fundamental to truly mastering the Light for the sake of immortality) than being a selfish asshole who's terrified of dying.

Going "grey" is nice in the sense that we're flawed people, but the ideal is ultimately becoming better than that while not degrading toward the Dark Side.

>>81700460
Let's look at the simplest and most illustrative example: vaccines. I could say vaccines don't cause autism ever, and someone could say they always cause autism. The moderate position would be that a sizable portion of vaccines cause autism. The flaws with this type of thinking should be self-evident.

>>81700494
>L>uke walked away alive just to make a new Jedi order and thus bringing the force out of balance again.

That's not bringing balance out of the Force in itself it only became unbalanced Edgey Kylo turned to the Dark Side.

Retarded. I always figured The Light Side was the in-between of evil and obnoxious, destructive self-righteousness

>>81700464
>I really dislike when people cling to moderation for its own sake instead of picking what they think is best
>wow u must be an edgy kid
lmao

Moderation isn't always right but in this case it isn't always wrong.
Dark Side techniques require passion, not going full KILLING YOUNGLINGS edgelord mode, and Light Side techniqued require some measure of inner peace, not turning into an emotionless robot.
It's perfectly possible to use both sides of the Force, the problem is that the Sith and Jedi are retarded and completely deny one side of the Force for stupid dogmatic reasons.
The Jedi are probably the worst because instead of teaching how to deal with your emotions they just expect you to completely kill them, despite that being fucking impossible.

>>81700705
*but in this case it isn't wrong

>>81697616
>episode 8 will remove all conflict from the star wars setting

>>81700584
Sounds like you don't know what Centrism is.

Let's take the vaccine example, you think that vaccines are 100% safe so 0% risk the other person suggests there are risks involved which but probably doesn't think everyone got it, so lets make up a number lets say 3%. A centrist would take these numbers and say well 3% isn't good we don't want anyone getting sick but if 0% = true than we have nothing to worry about, so they'd probably double check to be safe. Then when it came up 0% risk you'd ask why the people think vaccines are bad and realise that these are often victims and enable support if available.

You should see the heavy flaw in your own thinking that centrism is absolute. It's about balancing opinions not facts, if something is unequivocally correct than centrism isn't going against that. The issue is that we deal with opinions and preferences more than anything. So pro/anti-immigration is a choice, conservative and liberal stances are choice.

I'd suggest you need to reassess your understanding of centrism and most things in general because you appear to need to resort to absolutes to form an argument.

>>81700827
It will remove the religious conflict.
You know, like Ep VI supposedly did.
.

just make a fucking kotor 2 game goddamn it'd be so much better

>>81697616

>Grey Jedi

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE???

>>81701191
There is already a KOTOR 2 game.

>>81701226
they should make another one

>>81701250
TOR killed any chances of that happening.

>>81700370

No. The star wars concept of "balance" is based off Taoism, which is that an existence of all goodness is a balanced, and evil unbalances it.

In a balanced galaxy there would be only the light side, with the dark side completely eradicated.

Think of the light side and dark side less as two equally sized concepts on opposite ends of a scale. It's more like a healthy body being the light side, and the dark side being a malignant tumor growing inside that body.

>>81701250
TOR is the closest we got to kotor 3. i think they may be strongly considering another proper one now.

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>Disney kills the EU and uses the scraps for their movies

>>81701301
Episode VIII's trailer seems to indicate that they are embracing the "Balance stands between Dark and Light Side" version.

>>81697726
Holy shit the autism in this thread ITS ALL FICTIONAL

>>81701370
Yes that's why it's retarded.

>>81701359
This is good since the EU had lots of shit with a few specs of gold in it

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>>81701441
I hope they bring Darth BANE back.
And I mean proper Darth Bane, not the evil samurai ghost from TCW.

>>81700393
She got thrown off a building in the first bout, and couldn't even kill Vader after sucker punching him in the head with a saber in their second.

>>81697800

yes, you fucking can. nobody can break the law 24/7. you have to sleep sometime, and sleeping is legal.

>BRO I CAN USE BOTH LIGHT SIDE AND DARK SIDE FORCE POWERS BUT NONE OF THAT CONTROLS ME I AM MY OWN PERSON

This is stupid as shit

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>The Force
>life creates it, makes it grow
>Dark Side is using the Force in a way that is detrimental to life
>Dark Side is using the Force in a way that is detrimental to the Force
>shit fanfiction tier sequel movies will go forward on the premise that using something to kill itself is "balance"

kys jj abram's wife

>>81700636
That anon is underage and using underage as an argument. Shits funny.

>>81701301
This. It's frustrating how many people don't get this.

The concept of the "light side" wasn't even in the films until TFA and it's pretty apparent none of the writers understood anything about the force from the dialogue.

Luke probably trained all of Kylo's butt buddies in the traditional Jedi way which led them to lash out and fall to the dark side. So Luke has probably realized the old Jedi were retards and we need nu-Jedi. Grey Jedi is retarded though.

>>81698793
Stupids cunts like you make me sick. You intentionally use a bad analogy as an argument.

>>81701441
>tfw Disney thinks it found one of the few gold nuggets but it's really just shit

Grey Jedi don't exist, you fucking retards. Read EU and see for yourself.

>>81697616
Sooo purple lightsabres?

A grey jedi is literally just a jedi who doesn't approve of the council's authority.
This muh balance between both sides thing is some donut steel garbage only pushed by really shitty authors that was never even canon.

>>81697616

Honestly sounds like a video game with a shit story but good gameplay

>>81697616
The simple solution to gray Jedi is making them significantly less in tune with the force. Not necessarily worse swordsmen, but if they are going to stray away from both sides of the coin then their powers should be diminished in return. The price for not losing your shit I guess.

>>81701372
>it's fiction therefore we cannot have a discussion about it

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>>81701810
Funny you should mention that

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>>81697616
>what do you think about the Grey Jedi /tv/?

Done masterfully in KOTOR 2. The ethics discussion was the core of the game.

Undoubtedly they'll fuck it up completely in the movie. Given the
FUCKING
TREE
backstory creating the force, Cain and Abel ripoff, "ur two sides of de same coin, I am superior". Etc.

Watch them turn the good idea of nuancing the good and evil debate into more marxist relativist nonsense. Retroactively they will turn every sacrifice in Star Wars meaningless and self-absorbed.

I have yet to see an argument as to why Grey Jedi don't make sense that doesn't exaggerates the influence of the Force on people or uses retarded examples to show moderation is stupid.

>>81701898

Heard this story was good besides the ending

>>81701947
Yes that is true

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>Snoke was the first Dark Side user who killed his sister, the first Light Side user
So he is this dude?

>>81701947
The real ending was restored in a mod and ratified almost officially by Bioware who released a patch two years ago to allow the integration of the mod to be easier.
The story also has a lot of conversations about grey/neutral Jedi in it so the idea is quite an old one.

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I've always seen the force as an ocean rather than a coin.
Everyone thinks there's either the light or the dark and the rest is stupid.
The force is like walking into an ocean or a pool.
Initially, only your feet get wet so you can barely splash.
The deeper you get the bigger of a splash you can make.
Eventually, though, you get completely consumed by the water, and all the thrashing you can muster does nothing.

I like to think this isn't about moral relativism, but finding the perfect spot to float at.

>>81698065
No, Timon and Pumbaa are just hippies.

>>81699574
> People will often push the opposite opinion just to disagree with the opposing side
>I often pick the side that isn't represented just to equalise it
???

>>81702091
Though KOTOR 2 seemed to promote the "Fuck the Force, people should learn to live without depending on it" belief instead of the "Force users using both sides of the Force would fix everything" one.

>>81702101
Fuck

>>81697708
>Its a yin yang thing
It never has been you fucking idiot. The whole original "bringing balance to the force" was literally eradicating the sith and leaving the jedi alive. That isn't yin and yang.

>>81697616
Sounds retarded if true, but I don't care enough to actually Google it and find out.

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>>81702101

>>81702101
Haven't you just explained the basis of all religions?

>>81698475
kek

>>81702101
I woold flote in rays pusy

>>81702194
>believing Obi-Wan "Your father died, from a certain point of view" Kenobi's lies

jedi = pussies who get cucked
sith = edgelords with no fathers
grey jedi = chads

prove wrong

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>>81702101
That's actually amazing

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>>81701898
Maybe if they rip off Kotor to the letter it'd be good but i doubt they can create something decent even if they tried.
Disney is dead, it produces like capeshit movies products that just pander to the widest audience, it doesn't have a goal of making a great trilogy, franchise or movie on its own.

>>81702101
what happens at the bottom of the ocean

>>81702194
From the Jedi's point of view, killing all Sith was bringing balance to the force. Which is a stupid premise to base your belief system on as even if they removed all of their enemies the Order would still stratify. Those seen as the 'lesser' good would be termed 'evil' over time and the whole cycle would just repeat.

>>81701921

Just because you don't like the way the light/dark dynamic is established in the setting doesn't mean it's non-existent.

The "dark side* is basically Force-AIDS. Once you get even a pin prick of it, it spreads through you and takes over, regardless of your will.

Ergo, there is no such thing as "dabbling" on the dark side. Once you make the decision, consciously or otherwise, that it's okay to let negative feelings like hatred or lust influence you, you WILL be killing kids and blowing up planets a year later. This is consistent with Taoism and other eastern philosophies which Lucas has repeatedly stated is what influenced his ideas on how the force works.

>>81697616

"Grey Jedi" is something that works in video games but it otherwise bullshit. It does not work because the Force is not a yin yang of light and dark. The Dark Side is imbalance in the Force. Abuse and corruption of its nature.

The Dark Side is to the Force as nuclear fission that creates an explosion is to hydrogen.

>>81697719
>Sith are ruled by emotion
>you never see the best Sith ruled by their emotions

When was Palpatine ever pissed off, in the way that Anakin was?

>>81702393
You start to grow charisma as an actor

>>81702286
>babby's first introduction to philosophy

>>81701520
Samurai Bane was more appropriate though.

The Knight vs Samurai Aesthetic fits the old republic better than the eternal fashion stasis it was before.

>>81698501
lolifuckbait

>>81698142

>called grey in Episode one

When? What scene? They talk about him defying the Council but the Council is not the Force. They're people.

>>81702101
jedi are the balance
while sith are the exaltation

gray faggots are not balanced force users, they are pretty much kylo ren

I've always wanted to have a gray jedi character that's a drunken kung fu master in space. I feel like it would work. Just drunkenly flying from outpost to outpost for drinks and women, and sometimes to beat people up.

>>81698570

Revan was just a Darth Vader knock off

>>81702428
You could make an argument about how Anakin let his anger rule him while Palpatine let his thirst for power rule him(thus Anakin slaughtering the sand people while Palpatine ruled as a dictator instead)

>>81698235

Literally shows him saying it in the trailer

>>81702101
This goes right along with my drunken master Jedi idea, thanks buddy.

>>81702428
It's because it's wrong.
The Jedi suppress their emotions where appropriate, to better act with clarity. Beginner Jedi have to work to keep calm, while the masters are capable of being completely detached when using the force.

To contrast, the Sith use their negative emotions as a weapon and empower themselves. The weaker Sith are ruled by their emotions, like Maul, but the Masters keep it ready to use by their own will.
it's why Sheev only let his veneer of calm slip when mentally slapping the shit out of Luke, and why Vader seemed in control until the point he finally got serious in ESB.

>>81702559
Nah, Malak was the direct Vader clone, while Revan was more like Sheev. Kotor in general was one big homage to the OT, so it shouldn't be surprising.

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>>81697616
The Jedi all died because of Anakin.

>>81699071
But actually that makes perfect sense. Fuck the vegetarians who are assholes about it and are super dogmatic.
There are vegetarians who just hate how animals are in cages but eat boars that need to be shot because of their overpopulation.
So yeah thats that

>>81697650
Basically this

>>81701877
Never once did I say that but its ridiculous to say very Jedi aren't a thing, when none of it are a thing its all fictional, and then go on to equate it with something like being a vegan when one is a real thing and the other uses the force, I'll let a genius such as yourself determine which, how's that for a fuckin discussion

I wouldn't be surprised, it would be fitting to have Rey be the one to be able to use any force power, Mary Sue and all.

It sounds awful, it'll be like Medan from Warcraft

>>81702802

Any Force user can use any power. Luke could shoot lightning if he really let his anger take hold. But he doesn't.

>>81702802
One can only hope they're pulling a meta red herring.
Hype her up and make her look like the ultimate Mary Sue, then pull a fast one in the film.

>>81697800

Think more akin to an anti-hero (like Han)... someone who isn't afraid to ride the line, but always ends up doing what is right.

>what if, instead of having interesting directly opposed belief systems directing their actions, jedi were just magic dudes who went around doing whatever

sounds pretty uninteresting

You guys keep talking about Rey as a Mary Sue

Isn't this typical Chosen One shit?

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>>81702994

>>81702428

Palpatine was so angry at Luke rejecting the dark side that he was completely oblivious to Vader walking up to him and bench pressing him off a catwalk.

He was so arrogant that he deliberately let the Rebels know the location and weakness of his megazillion dollar super weapon, thinking there was no way they could possibly destroy it.

Sheev is probably THEE greatest example of how the dark side inevitably fucks you over.

>>81699574

Found the centrist.

>>81699574
"Centrism" in the truest sense of the word doesn't exist. Someone who thinks everything should strive towards the center just because wouldn't be a centrist, they would ironically be an extremist.

>>81697616

Frankist propaganda

>>81699292
social democrats in Germany who let the Nazis govern when they didn't have a majority

So the Grey Jedi are all business, basically? Cool. Too bad the business of TFA and the sequels is trash and I want no part of it.

>>81702994
A Mary Sue isn't just someone who's competent, noble, well liked, etc.

The defining part of the Mary Sue, outside the lack of meaningful flaws, is that they seemingly bend reality to make everything about them look good, which Rey does in abundance.
The sad part is that, on rewatching, you can see Rey actually had some character flaws planned out (stubbornness, a standoffish nature and arrogance being the main ones), but they got dropped during one rewrite or another and never actually impacted her negatively. If anything, they make her look better, which is another classic Mary Sue archetype.

>>81699634
It will never be good enough to them.

>>81697616
sounds like me if I was a jedi. episode 8 is gonna be badass.

>>81697616
wow, so postmodern

>>81697616

So this is Star Wars: Assassin's Creed Edition?

>>81699856
Maybe it was a Snape killing Dumbledore thing. Kylo was Luke's apprentice and was to master the dark while Rey the light, and Han knew about it and let Kylo kill him to keep his cover like Snape did. Then Rey masters the light and Kylo the dark and together they keep the force in balance.

>>81698969
underrated

>>81699484
underrated

>>81698573
No Lucas was just a weeb that was "inspired" IE ripped off japanese samurai movies. Real kino stuff.

>>81702194
>The whole original "bringing balance to the force"
Let me stop you there. The prequels aren't "the whole original" anything. I consider them non-canon and less than the dirt beneath my shoe.

The OT is your virginal girlfriend, the Prequels are when you guys broke up and she fucked Chad, and the new movies are her trying to get back together with you but she's still sucking dudes off on the side.

>>81700636
>dood, either you want to kill all non-whites, or you want to believe that there's 46 genders, there's like no inbetween lmao
"Okay".

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>>81705484
Should I take her back?

>>81706327
Only if you identify yourself as a "proud cuck."

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>>81706473
But I still have feelings for her... how can I just let her go?