Why do my taxpayer dollars go to this trash? Privatize it

>>81631978
There is a public benefit for curated, high quality educational content broadcast nationally for free.

>>81632392
>its a public benefit XD

Helicopter cash would be a public benefit too

>implying you have a job

Who cares. As long as they keep making Antiques Roadshow they can keep getting money

>>81631978
I'm more concerned that my tax dollars allow you to be a NEET parasite instead of being forced to starve in the gutter.

>>81631978
taxation is theft, doesn't matter where the stolen goods go

The corporation for public broadcasting gets a little more than .01% of the annual budget. There are much bigger fish to fry if you want to cut government expenditure

>Fortunately for Trump, most voters have no real idea how the government spends its money, and plenty of his supporters believe that you can balance the budget by just hiring fewer people, making government more efficient, and getting rid of the odd department. In a 2013 survey of Fox News viewers, forty-nine per cent said that “cutting waste and fraud” would eliminate most of the national debt. Polls of the general population have found that people believe that more than twenty-five per cent of the federal budget goes to foreign aid (it’s less than one per cent); that ten per cent goes to pensions and benefits (today, it’s 3.2 per cent); and that five per cent goes to PBS and NPR (it’s 0.01 per cent). The median guess about how much food and housing assistance cost was three to four times as much as the true figure.
[...]
>It’s not hard to see how these misconceptions arose. For decades, the G.O.P. and right-wing media have been saying that the government is riddled with fraud and wastes money on handouts. So, although moves like a hiring freeze or axing the N.E.A. and legal aid would have no real impact on the deficit, Trump’s supporters don’t see these moves as trivial—let alone as window dressing designed to distract them from other, less populist measures, like a tax plan that would benefit mainly the rich. “When Trump voters hear that he wants to cut the federal payroll and shut down the N.E.A., a bell goes off that says he’s a deficit hawk, even if his tax plan will supersize the debt,” Hochschild said. A few distracting gestures may enable Trump to reassure people that he’s keeping his campaign promises, even if his budget never comes close to being balanced. How is he going to solve his budget dilemma? By pretending that he has.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/13/trumps-budget-bluff

>>81632392
>for free

Except for the part where I am forced to pay for it involuntarily via taxation

Thats the exact opposite of free

>>81632392
>being an idiot

>>81632753
>forced to pay for it involuntarily via taxation
You dont make enough money to pay taxes anon. Odds are someone probably claims you as a dependent.

>>81632712
tl,dr

>>81632712
>posting new yorker articles, fake news
He has already decreased the deficit by 100 billion; that doesn't fit narrative, eh?

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>>81631978
IDK, anon. Would you care to ask this dude ???

most of their money comes from Jew York billionaires anyway

no point to spend public money on it

all public broadcasters are garbage propaganda too

>>81632712
>it benefits the rich to noy have the public steal all their money
>if you make a lot, the public is entitled to however much it wants
kys

>>81632584
Please Gary, tell me how a society functions without taxes? I'm sure you have an alternative suggestion, right you dumb faggot?

I'd love for you to tell me how roads get paid for if nobody pays for it.

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>>81631978
>PBS
>unbiased

lots of rural kids use it for education.
but in the end you don't care for anyone but yourself

>trying to take away PBS from lower middle class families who look forward to their educational programming every day
I just don't get why you want to punish the poor on an emotional level now. Christ, do Republicans care about their own voters at all?

>>81632584
I hope this is bait, because otherwise you might actually be mentally retarded.

>>81633131
>rural kids
You mean middle aged nu-males like yourself?

I'm ok with JewBS being cut, they don't even get 10% of their budget from the feds anyway

I would like to see the Defense budget trimmed, and (((veteran))) benefits, talk about fraud and waste.

>I fixed airconditioners in Afganistan for six months,, hurr durr I'm a warrior hurr durr give me 100% disability hurr durr

Talk about welfare queens

>>81633113
>I'm backwards and don't agree with things that are facts so it is unbiased to me

>>81633203
>they don't even get 10% of their budget from the feds anyway
Then it makes no sense to cut it, you joyless fuck.

>>81633156
Go away, commie. Really, move to some glorious workers' paradise like NK.

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>>81632712
>We're only wasting a little bit of money

Not an argument.

>>81633209
*biased

>>81633246
it's mostly donations so if you cut it, people will just donate more if they really think it's worth it

>govt subsidizing rich donors

>>81633246
You only care about indoctrinating kids with your marxism.

>>81633249
Nah I'll do everything in my power to push America towards socialism and big gubberment and there's nothing you can do about it.

There's more of us than you

>>81633131
>lots of rural kids use it for education.
That's good, because it's not like we're already paying for them to go to school for eight fucking hours a day.

>>81633203
i agree with you pepes on this, could do more good here than fighting farmers half way across the world for god knows what

>>81633287
Long live international Marxism

>>81633284
>if you make funding worse, that somehow through meme magic, makes it easier to fund
Go kill yourself Trumpfag

>>81633288
Not at all. You've been completely blown out in every election for years; you're not even a national party anymore. You're pathetic, dude, and you're party will stay powerless and disgraced until you become less deranged.

>>81633370
Damn. *your

marxism is fucking awesome

eat the rich
hang the alt right

>>81633318
So you went to private schol for your entire "education"?

>>81633370
America will always have a large big gubberment public sector. FDR's legacy is permanent. Trump won't do shit about it.

Big government and socialism will never go away, only increase.

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>>81633451
Can't wait for the inevitable civil war. It'll be great to see you starve in the millions, tbqh.

>>81633337
>somehow through meme magic

no, through rich donors who choose how to donate their money retard

that's assuming the current level of funding is even necessary, which it isn't. There's so much free content out there these days no one gives a shit about PBS

>>81631978
>If I want unbiased educational videos I have youtube
t. average drumpf voter

>>81633499
theres a lot of things you can call me but dont call me a fucking liberal
liberals are scum. As a marxist, I at least have a small respect for you right wingers, because you clearly know your policies are evil and harm others. Liberals pretend they're helping everyone when they really are doing jack shit

>>81633476
Historical predestination is a stupid fallacy, and you're an idiot. Also, the 70s and 80s saw sharp reductions in the size of the US government.

>>81633528
You sound so out of touch with reality that it hurts. I can't imagine being this far into Right-wing kool aid where you think things would be hunky dory if you pulled out what little funding PBS has and live in this delusion that you can survive just on "muh donors". You just don't know how any of this shit works outside of memes.

>>81633528
>there is so much crazy independent youtube "documentaries" out there that I don't need reliable or consistent public access
Tell me about the Greatest Story Never Told, MENSA member.

>>81633499
>conservatives give standing ovation to Bernie Sanders
>in deep south
>hate liberals though
It's like they just don't know what words mean anymore, gee.

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>>81632968
>He has already decreased the deficit by 100 billion; that doesn't fit narrative, eh?
Are we just making things up out of thin air now?

Also even if that happened, I think you were confused. You spelled Obama wrong.

>>81634048
That is obviously fake news, anon. Don't you understand that we have to judge Trump by a different standard! So when he golfs more, it's not worth mentioning that he's golfed more than Obama did in 8 entire years...that just wouldn't be fair. Nahhh! Trump needs that time to think about how he's making America great. Stop being a meanie!

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CYBER CHASE NIGGAS

WHO TF UP??

>>81634048
1. Trump has the hardest job in the world

2. Trump isn't golfing when he golfs, he's meeting with foreign dignitaries and conducting important business

3. Trump and his family's security wouldn't cost so much if the MSM hadn't demonized him and his family

4. The White House is most likely wiretapped and Mar-A-Lago is a place where he can work in peace and privacy

>>81633556
And the last 20 years have seen huge increases.

Face it retard. No one likes the free market. Not even rich people.

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>>81634315
Is...is this all a joke? Please tell me you are baiting. Right?

>PBS
>trash
t. basic cable douche

PBS News Hour is left-leaning shit, but a lot of PBS is quality, exponentially better than anything on a similar-themed cable network. Nightly Business Report is top-tier, Create has all the best cooking and travel shows, MHZ Worldview has top-tier shows and news, and one of the local PBS stations is the only place you actually see "alt-right" and conservative think-tanks like The Independence Institute with their own fucking TV shows.

Yeah, I understand the "taxation is theft narrative", but the CPB is by far the least of everyone's concerns about being a money pit. Also most of you are probably too young to remember the Bell System, not that it was perfect by any means, but when the government and anti-trust asshats were all bitching to break that up, the did, and then around the same time was when cable companies started getting exclusive franchise rights in most regional markets. Now we have the garbage mass media and infrastructure system because the last 20 years all those cable and ex-Bell system companies keep combining and forming their own regional monopolies. So now a lot of places in America have shittier, more expensive internet than former Soviet Bloc countries, and all you good cable-raised slave kids are bitching about the one perpetual beacon of light and hope in American mass media?

>>81634315
>>81634403
>Trump isn't golfing when he golfs
you were so close to getting me, but you got cocky

>>81634315
>1. Trump has the hardest job in the world
Awwwwww poor baby! Running a country is hard? Dawwwwwww! Who would have thought?
>2. Trump isn't golfing when he golfs, he's meeting with foreign dignitaries and conducting important business
He met with a foreign dignitary once on a golf course, said the man who "won't waste American taxpayers time and money by golfing".
>3. Trump and his family's security wouldn't cost so much if the MSM hadn't demonized him and his family
This makes absolutely no fucking sense. Nobody is forcing Melania to live in NYC. But then again, Trump goes back and forth too. I guess that is okay too for you double standard retards.
>4. The White House is most likely wiretapped
Kek, nice meme backed by no evidence.
>and Mar-A-Lago is a place where he can work in peace and privacy
Ah yes, what a people's President, needs to work at a 5 star hotel and golf resort. Sounds like he's really clocking in those 9 to 5 hours. Phew, sure must be hard.

What's it like sucking the cock of the most unpopular President in modern US history?

>>81634454
>left leaning shit
Enlighten me, what is example of right leaning facts or information you would want on PBS? An hour long Christian church service intercut with commercials about how great it is to electroshock trannies? Then a finale of Sam Hyde standup?

>>81634315
How cute

>>81634678
kek. Wanna know how I can tell you didn't actually read the post you're complaining about?

>>81634857
I did. But every kid on here complains this is left leaning shit, that is left leaning shit, blah blah blah.

>>81634454
PBS has the most eloquent newscasters in the media along with CBS.

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>>81634315

>>81635012
REEEEEEEEEE FAKE NEWS GO BACK TO BUZZFEED REEEEEEEEEE

ONLY INFOWARS AND RT IS REAL NEWS

SO WHAT IF RT IS CONTROLLED BY A GOVERNMENT RAN BY A FORMER SECRET POLICE OFFICIAL IT'S REEEEEEEAAALLLLL

>>81633908
Sure, they did. Those were not your fellow hard-leftists. Not at all.
>>81634051
>being a clueless libtard

>What? Trump said he doesn't like thing? Well now I'm an expert on thing and how it works and hate it too!
God, Trumpanzees are insufferable

>didn't arrest hillary
>bombed Syria
>filled cabinet with billionaires and lobbyists
>didn't repeal Obamacare
>walked back naming China a currency manipulator
>suddenly thinks dollar is "too strong"
>more golf trips per time in office than Obama
>more executive orders per time in office than Obama
>rampant nepotism
>not even in office 100 days

We tried to warn you.

>>81633499
>if I photoshop words on top of an unappealing stock photo it means what I say is true!

Did you take this from The Comical Conservative?

>>81635216
The /pol/tards want the blatant nepotism. They're trying to pan out who'd be closer to the presidency after Donald. Their line of thinking doesn't even make sense. Nepotism amongst Jews is EVUL but the Trumps are in fact mostly Jews

>>81635107
>Sure, they did.
Yeah...they did. Most Trumpfags are fed lies by Republicans despite many of them being Bernie fans. It's quite baffling. Almost as if they vote against their own interests, gee wizz!
>Those were not your fellow hard-leftists. Not at all.
Nice no true Scotsman, but I never said they were. If anything, they just agree with liberal policies more and just don't know what liberal means.
>being a clueless libtard about the deficit
I'll wait on some evidence you gullible retard. Who told you that? Steve Bannon?

>>81635216
BUT HER EMAILS REEEEE

>>81635086
I rate RT just as well. Every nationalist broadcast network has a right to exist.

>>81635381
Wait, /pol/'s logic doesn't make sense? Color me surprised.

>>81635107
>libtard

Oh, you don't want to be taken seriously? Why didn't you just say so?

>>81631978

>Why do my taxpayer dollars go to this trash?

Churning out propaganda with some educational content on the side is expensive, OP.

Just look at the BBC.

>>81635514
>"propaganda" has just become a useless alt-right buzzword that means anything I don't like

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>>81632712

>http://www.newyorker.com/

>>81631978
It's basically privatized by this point. It's the same as "public" universities.

>>81635559

>DUDE THE MEDIA ISN'T BIASED AND NEVER HAS BEEN SHUT UP

t. leftist cuck incapable of actual independent thought.

>>81635426
Learn to use commas correctly, retard. Regarding the deficit reduction, it was widely reported on a while ago. I guess you were too busy circlejerking on r/politics about the "fascist" drumpf, huh? And those people you keep talking about were leftists. I mean, you rabid cunts have a presence in every state. Despite what you heard on Reddit, a majority favors tax cuts and likes the government to be trimmed down. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary, he was soundly defeated. He would have been crushed against Trump.

>>81635508

>getting triggered over "libtard"

This is hilarious, considering the best you cucks can come up with is "Drumpf".

>>81635508
>triggered
In the real world, you're not well-liked, and it's very common for people to talk about you in this way.

>>81635559
How is it to have IQ that's below 80? Or are you just very dishonest?

(((pbs)))

>>81635767
>In the real world
You're arguing about meme politics on the television and film board of 4chan. Don't pretend you have anything to do with "the real world" you meme spouting fuck.

That goes for the rest of you bait gobbling homos as well.

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>>81635706
Still waiting on a source my delusional friend.
>the Republicans who gave him a standing ovation were secretly liberals
Kek, the lengths you faggots go to avoid admitting how unpopular you are even within your own party are amazing. It's almost endearing. Just the other day, you barely held onto a Red state.
>Berne is considered one of the most popular politicians
>Would have been "le crushed" by an opponent who didn't even win a popular vote
KEKKKKKK

It really is like you kids live in a fantasy world. Even Fox admits he's more popular.
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2017/03/17/fox-news-poll-bernie-sanders-most-popular-politician-america/99323334/

>>81635806
How does it feel to not have an argument?

>>81632392
>high quality educational content
The niggers won't even play Mr Rogers reruns because he talks about how God loves everyone. Literally no good learning shows for children anymore. The internet has "high quality educational content" as well.

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>>81635706
>a majority favors tax cuts and likes the government to be trimmed down.
Yeah, those are liberals.
>muh 58 gorbillion extra dollars to military spending
>""""trimmed""""

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>>81634315

>>81636057
They still have Wishbone, right? That's classical literature kino right there.

>>81631978

PBS is already mostly funded through private channels. The percentage of your tax dollar that actually goes towards PBS is so insignificant in comparison to military spending it's insane.

>>81635706
Where'd you go? Aren't you gonna "btfo" this dum dum "libtard"? Still waiting on that link that shows me all the gorbillions Trump saved by the grace of meme magic.

>>81636100
>no Mr Rogers
>no wishbone
>no cyber chase
>only modern Arthur
>no between the lions
>no reading rainbow
>no red green show
And people actually care if PBS is still around

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>>81635767
>and it's very common for people to talk about you in this way

>>81636218
BUT MUH SOCIALISM REEEEE!

>>81635674
Great argument, bud.
>says think for yourself
>parrots /pol/

>>81636057
So you're suggesting internet be free? Communist.

>>81635674
Biased somehow equates to "le propaganda" in your world?

>>81635674
>leftist
>cuck
Hi, /r/the_donald

>>81636359
>what is a library
>what is McDonalds and Walmart and various other establishments with free internet
>what is an internet cafe

>>81635674
>t. leftist cuck incapable of actual independent thought
>t.
>leftist
>cuck
>incapable of actual independent thought

Oh, the irony.

>>81631978
>If I want unbiased educational videos I have youtube
autism

>>81634678
Every political pundit on PBS Newshour is generally left-leaning. Shields & Brooks, their most common political analysts, are obviously left-leaning. The majority of their stories and features are fairly standard pro-status-quo globalism; sappy story about poor refugees, sappy story about oppressed hippies, feel-good story about how some immigrants have built up a better life but are worried. It's not Democracy Now! by any means, but it is somewhat slanted to the left. I didn't even mention that as a bad thing, though, and if you read my post I'd prefer CPB to stay funded, as while people are bitching about a government subsidized media company, they somehow ignore all the bullshit deals that enable the cable companies near-monopolies in most regions of America, and the only alternative to PBS (which helps aerial broadcast in a lot of regions), is to be a cable-company serf. Fuck that.

>>81635086
>>81635490
>RT
It's pretty funny you mention that, as the only way I and many others have access to RT, is via PBS and the CPB.
>inb4 watch it online!
Problem with online news as your only source, is a majority of online news is clickbait bullshit; by the time it's actually gone to television broadcast it's usually been sifted a little bit (if it isn't a huge story or event). Of course it is a balancing act, between clickbait flighty bullshit and more refined propaganda (this goes for both left and right and all media outlets). So you're always gonna get sold bullshit either way.

>>81635012
Yeah, but it depends on the PBS program. Again, I'm for the CPB mainly because local PBS affiliates help distribute networks like Create and MHZ Worldview over aerial broadcast, which those networks probably couldn't afford to do otherwise, and so would only be availible via a shitty local-monopoly cable provider (or a worse-yet shitty satellite provider). Mass media in the United States sucks ass, and PBS local affiliates are one of the few beacons of hope left.

>>81636064
>Yeah, those are liberals.
The most basic difference between liberal and conservative political ideology is that liberals like big government, conservatives favor smaller goverment.
Not that either of those words actually mean anything anymore besides "boogeyman I dont like who is responsible for everything I don't like."

>>81632392
No there's not
Get off the Internet now

>>81636393
>what is a library
A place funded by tax dollars
>what is McDonalds and Walmart and various other establishments with free internet
Free with your patronage.
>what is an internet cafe
Not free.
TANSTAAFL

>>81636440
>muh globalism agenda of PBS
I stopped talking you seriously right there, kiddo. Thought you had something real to say. My mistake.

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when conservatives accuse things of having a liberal bias it's usually because liberals are right and relies on facts and conservatives are wrong and don't really like facts.

basically conservatives want more representation of wrong people and false information.

I've literally seen conservatives on the internet say that want "diversity of opinion" since they can't cope with the facts.

I mean its pretty unfair that reality has a liberal bias.

>>81636488
>liberals are for big government
That has never really been true.
>conservatives are for small government
Yes, we all know that's what they pretend to be. This isn't news.

>>81632392
thats not what PBS does though

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>>81632712
>reading the new yorker

they ran dozens of articles saying hillary would win,

>>81636655
Nah dude, wait for Republicans to be in office again. You'll see government shrink. The EPA is the first to go luckily, they're keeping us from competing with China who has no regulations. If not for the EPA, we'd have manufacturing all over the U.S.

>>81636440
>I don't want to hear positive stories about immigrants coming here and being successful
Right, I see how that could conflict with the narrative of them all being lawless monsters out to rape your children and take your jobs. I can see why you would want any humanization of them off public access pronto!

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>>81636652
>reality has a liberal bias.
nope the media has a liberal bias

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>>81636739
3rd world immigration is a bad idea

>>81636730
>Nah dude, wait for Republicans to be in office again.
They are in office now, dipshit? Is this bait? What are you talking about?
>You'll see government shrink.
Kek, tell me again how much money conservatives want to spend on military again?
>The EPA is the first to go luckily
You don't know what that is, do you?
>they're keeping us from competing with China who has no regulations.
This has to be bait...right? You can possibly have fallen for the meme of "regulations to protect the world you live in, are bad"?
>If not for the EPA, we'd have manufacturing all over the U.S.
You are joking then, right?

>>81636782
the information in that picture is false which literally proves my point

>>81632824
What about sales tax. Presumably that's a large expense for him

>>81636809
>immigrant minorities are poor and on welfare so that makes it okay to demonize them and scapegoat complex economic issues as their fault.
Or you know, you could maybe set up work programs that reduce stress on welfare?

>>81633209
>I agree with thing so it's not unbiased because I agree with it
I can strawman too you tard. Maybe you would be smarter if you stopped watching PBS

>>81636782
Tell me about how global warming is a chinese hoax.

My pbs station is GOAT
They're showing a red-pilled documentary on Walt Disney right now

>>81636725
Did they? Are you sure you're not confusing them with The New York Times?

>>81633059
How were roads paid for in the US before?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Road_Lottery

>>81636838
?

>>81636819
Let's follow the money-trail, fuck-stick lib-turd. Who profits from the EPA? The Green-Jobs initiative and the government. So no matter how many jobs we lose from 'regulating' for 'climate-change', you'll never be convinced? This is why our newer generations are failing. Obama signs laws that prevent business's from creating jobs because they can't compete with China. Then, he hands our tax-dollars to green energy companies.

>>81636878
It doesn't work in reverse because your position doesn't actually have factual information on your side. As much as you pretend it does.

Name one thing PBS says is a fact that is wrong. Go for it. Give some examples or just fuck outta this thread and head back to containment.

>>81636608
>I'm too enlightened to read your post despite it answering what I inquired about in your earlier post
Nice one dipshit, I was only talking about PBS News Hour. If you read my post you'd understand that I actually like PBS because it distributes things like MHZ Worldview (which is probably the best way for english-speaking TV viewers to get world news that isn't the Internet).

>>81636739
Projecting much?

Are you both secretly cable company shills wanting the CPB off the air? Or are you just so offended that I don't think PBS News Hour is the greatest news program in the world, that you jump to conclusions and berate me for being biased? Or are you so butthurt about me daring to imply that a news program is biased (when every single one is), you ignore the rest of my post that actually defends and promotes PBS in general?

>>81636918
>THE BIG GREEN CONSPIRACY GLOBAL WARMING IS A PLOY REEEE! FOLLOW THE VERY LITTLE MONEY IN THE TRAIL
I think we are done here

>>81636867
all im saying is 3rd world immigration is a bad idea, all the data says so

>>81632712

>Trump supporters think Trump can save money by spending less! How stupid


What?

>>81636981
>all da data says so
>I can't be bothered to show you it though

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>>81636901
NYT did that also

so did Nate Silver

google has it all

>>81636918
Companies move factories primarily because of labor costs. Also, regulating pollution IS good because if we don't, then the public ends up paying for it (see: negative externalities).

>>81636886
red herring

only an idiot would deny the media is 80-90% liberal

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>>81632712
good post. pic related for more info on spending if anyone is interested

I really wish that conservatives did more to actually increase government efficiency and reduce spending rather than just taking out a few big names but then adding double what they erased to the military or whatever

sage for off-topic politics

>>81637011
see >>81636809

>>81636918
I'm not going to give a climate change denier my time. I hope nobody else does either. Either understand the science, or expect to get ignored or laughed at. Nobody is debating it anymore, faggot. Only a handful of retards with clear investment and stock in oil and gas companies. Or dumb cronies like you who think it's a big conspiracy.

You can't be reasoned with. So you should be dismissed and ignored.

>>81636981
"All the data says so". Lol

Even if you look at the research by George Borhass, from Harvard, who is the most famous skeptic of immigration, he admits it's only Americans with less than a high-school degree who see a negative effect from immigration. They're only 10 percent of the population, while the other 90 percent see wage increases, which includes the middle class. You saw some raw statistics and tried to extrapolate from that because you're uneducated on the subject.

>>81633318
>Education ends at school
this is why Americans rank so low in international education tests

>>81637084
But that doesn't prove your point

>>81636981
Also, the National Academy of Sciences study took a look at low-skilled immigrants with less than a high school degree who came in before the age of 24 and found their net fiscal impact is positive meaning they payed more in taxes than they consumed in benefits for that group of people.

>>81637095
lol, move into a non white area of america then

dont be racist

>>81637047
How do you even calcuate a statistic like this? Do you think this sounds smart?

Has it ever occured to you slightly, at all, that you just believe shit that is factually wrong? Look at all these hoops you construct to justify how the majority of people just don't agree with you. You rather pretend it's a massively orchestrated media plot, when the simple answer is that you are probably dumb.

>>81636725

NO THIS ISNT ACCURATE

TRUMP ONLY WON BECAUSE OF UNEDUCATED NONCITY PEOPLE REEEEEE

>>81637047
Depending on what you're definition of "liberal" is. I consider myself liberal yet I disagree with a lot of opinions I see in mainstream media.

It's almost as if people's politics don't fall into neat little boxes.

>>81637119
ask your parents to explain it to you

print out that chart and ask them to help you

I like how for liberals if something doesn't cost a lot as a percent of the total budget its not worth cutting, and if it does cost a lot its too important to cut. So basically everything the government ever spends money on they have to in perpetuity

>>81637178
Is this seriously your answer? Lol. We're talking about immigrants number 1, who are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States.

>>81637067
>Presiden't proposed 4.2 trillion

Did this ever take effect?

>>81637095
>admits it's only Americans with less than a high-school degree who see a negative effect from immigration

WTF I love illegal immigrants now

>>81637241
The fuck are you even talking about?

>>81632392
Its not free if our tax money is being spent on it

>>81637236
This anon here explained why you are retarded
>>81637095

>>81637212
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/

>A mere 7 percent of journalists identify as Republicans, and when they do give money to political campaigns they usually donate to Democrats

>You rather pretend it's a massively orchestrated media plot,

its not that complicated, all the largest papers for example are just in liberal cities, NYC, Boston, LA

same with CBS, NBC, etc

you seem to not really have any replies other than "lol ur dumb"

>>81633203
>I'm ok with JewBS being cut, they don't even get 10% of their budget from the feds anyway

So let me understand this website

PBS is run by Jews

CNN is fake news run by kikes

NBC, CBS, ABC are all cuck kike fake news as well

BBC is the Biased British Channel

Sounds like the only news networks that aren't biased are Fox News and Breitbart?

There's many retarded misconceptions about immigration spread about especially on the internet. You could use the term 'fake news' but I think it's just general negligence to fact-check. Things that Trump probably has pushed.

Did you know that Legal immigrants don't have access to welfare benefits for the first five years that they're here and illegal immigrants don't have access to welfare benefits either. Most of the studies that reported to show that count the family members who are born in the U.S and whom consume welfare benefits. Under the Obama administration actually prosecuted states that accidentally gave welfare benefits to illegal immigrants to get their money back.

Also, we're at a 40 year low for immigration from Mexico. The number 1 countries immigrating to the U.S are China and India. By numbers since 2008, 2009, Mexico has dropped down and hispanic immigrants are third-tier to asian immigrants.

>>81637253
talk is cheap, pack up your racist stuff you racist and move to a non white area of america

>>81632824
It should be noted that even if you don't make a lot of money, you are still paying a shit ton in taxes indirectly. A huge portion of any purchase you make goes to paying the taxes and governmental burdens on the businesses that make and sell that product or service. Politicians love to hide this shit so the average person doesn't realize how much they are actually paying

>>81637348
>its not that complicated, all the largest papers for example are just in liberal cities, NYC, Boston, LA

well shit why doesnt a big conservative city like birmingham alabama, jackson missisppi, little rock arkansas, etc have the largest papers in the country?

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>>81637348
>most watched news outlets and radios are still conservative
>there being fewer journalists that identify as Republican, somehow denotes a massive liberal media conspiracy
>only Republicans apparently count as conservative
>most journalists who go into the field are liberal
>this is also some part of an elaborate plot to take over da media
>and not just a statistic showing trends in career positions
Again, you probably just aren't smart and a tad paranoid to boot.

>>81636725
>statstical predictions are wrong
>entire paper is discredited
stop it

>>81637436
Prob because conservatives do not have nationally popular ideas, OH NO, UH I MEAN THE LIBERAL MEDIA CONSPIRACY MAGA OF COURSE!!!

>>81637440
The most watched cable news is conservative, but all the other ones are leftist, and almost every national news program on the major broadcast networks as well

>>81637402
>we're at a 40 year low for immigration from Mexico

which is a convenient statistic since it doesnt mention that central american immigration has shot up by massive amounts

>>81637402
Anon, you literally can't reason with Trumpfags until the cult of personality comes to an end.

>>81637436
>why doesnt a big conservative city like birmingham alabama, jackson missisppi, little rock arkansas, etc have the largest papers in the country?
Lowest literacy rates in the country, probably.

>>81637436
birminham voted for hillary clinton

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama

i dont feel like looking up the other cities, but they probably voted hillary also

>why dont small cities have huge newspapers
wut

>Muh tax dollars
Only 1 Dollar is used from every American for PBS, their source of income isn't solely from taxes. Instead they could cut funding on the bloated military that throws thousands at anyone who signs up, and millions on vehicles. But we know that'll never happen

>>81637555
You can't reason with anyone who enthusiastically follows one of the two major parties

>>81637440
>muh conspiracy

maybe its time to stop posting

>>81637525
And? Oh, right. That MUST mean a conspiracy is afoot. Nevermind how Republicans run every level of government or that the most watched outlets are conservative. Apparently to you, the mere fact that liberal outlets exist and are equally popular must be a plot to destroy you!

Why can't we all just hivemind about niggers and beat up trannies and police people's bedrooms like good little bootlickers? Why can't we just have one news station telling us what we already think?

>>81637436
John Oliver covered this already. Democrats are concentrated in the cities. Pay attention.

>>81637348
Fox news is the most popular cable news channel and has most of the top-rated cable news shows.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/2016-ratings-fox-news-channel-is-cable-tvs-most-watched-network/315009

http://deadline.com/2016/12/fox-news-channel-2016-most-watched-basic-cable-network-1201871574/

"Among cable news programs, FNC secured 14 of the top 15 programs in total viewers. "

"FNC also landed seven of the top 10 cable news programs for the year in adults 25-54. "

"FNC also has seven of the top 10 programs in the younger 18-49 demo"

>>81637609
>Muh tax dollars

Literally the main reason this country was founded

>>81637629
Did you read anything that I wrote? Does greentext confuse you?

>>81637609
Or you know they could cut funding from both. There are many thousands of programs that each individually cost little, that doesn't mean we should keep paying for them all forever. The "its small, it doesn't even matter" such terrible logic

But yeah, they should totally cut the military too

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>>81637379
> Fox news
> unbiased

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>>81637465
new yorker is a magazine

most news is presented as opinion anyway, NYT has that problem as do others

that was part of the problem

for example here is Nate throwing out the data and losing his credibility

>trump is nickelback
>ignore the polls
>dont worry about the polls
really data man?

>>81637616
You don't need to be enthusiastic or up the Democrats ass to understand that Hillary would have been objectively more competent.

But memes and bullshit were more important I guess.

>>81637646
I don't think its a well planned conspiracy, but I'm just pointing out that your statement was super misleading

>>81637654
>fox news has the highest ratings

well god knows that shows how good something is

also

>only old people watch traditional cable tv
>network of a party of moslty old people has highest ratings

>>81631978
>educational videos
>youtube

>>81637654
cool, i dont know who was saying FNC isnt popular

>>81637649
Sure, as is most of the population. It's only going to get more and more concentrated in cities.

>>81637654
Most people get their news from national evening news programs on the networks. Only looking at cable news is a rather narrow view of the news dynamic

>>81637718
Then you can't read. There isn't a conspiracy at all, faggot. Go back to r/thedonald

>>81637762
You're literally wasting your breath. Who knows, he could be trolling.

>>81637687
>There are many thousands of programs that each individually cost little, that doesn't mean we should keep paying for them all forever.
What annoys me about this sort of thinking is that it assumes that those programs don't have a net benefit to society

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>>81637273
Not sure. Here's the 2015 one if you're interested

>>81637717
Hillary would have surely been more competent, but she would have also been terrible

Is it better to have a highly competent though objectively bad and illintentioned person, or a fucking clown that doesn't know what he is doing in charge? Both options suck but thats what supporting these two parties gave us

>>81637700
>most news is presented as opinion anyway

This is the biggest problem with modern news outlets. One paragraph of actual info followed by 5 that are the author speculating.

If you want to get stupid fast the best thing to do is read the news.

>>81637808
Just because a program is good does not suggest that money would not be even better spent had it never been taxed to begin with. In almost every case the individual will use their money more productively than the government

>>81637840
There is literally nothing but memes to base off from to prove that she would be bad at the job. Most of people's complaints seem to be on shit they "think" is true but backed by nothing. She would have been passable and that is leagues better than this autistic circus of an administration and I think most of the country even knows that. I see buyer'a remorse constantly...

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>>81637717
i guess voters just didnt like her or obama

>>81632824
Nice projecting faggot.

>>81637838
How does the federal government manage to spend fucking 100Billion on education when education is run by local governments?

>>81637840
You have to understand the two party system is inevitable due to the first past the post voting system.

>>81636844
>Federal sales tax
Are you an idiot?

>>81631978
*ackshully* PBS only gets a small amount of federal funding

so cutting it would make no dent in the defecit

still

DON'T CUT MY FUCKING MONEY MANE

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>Voted for my boy Aleppo this past decision
>Do not regret my choice at all
One day this site will return to its Libertarian roots

>>81637840
>trumpfags screech about Hillary starting WW3
>Trump bombs Syria
>strains relationship with his boyfriend Putin
>may lead to proxy wars with Russia or escalate
It would be funny if I wasn't worried about continuing to exist.

>>81637898
voters just didnt like her positions, they didnt want a 3rd term of obama

she bear hugged obama to beat bernie... and then lost the general

>>81632392

That same argument could literally be used for the socialization of every service.

also

>free

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>>81637963
>hes a putin pawn!
>hes starting WW3 with putin!

>>81637900
That macro is wrong.

>>81637961
I would have gone Libertarian this election, but I can't vote for someone who's pro-choice. Of course, Trump sort of is too, but less than Hillary and Gary.

I wish Rand Paul had won the nomination.

>>81637898
>to prove that she would be bad at the job
Depends on what you mean by bad. She would have been very competent, probably would have done some good things on social issues. But she essentially Frank Underwood, a power hungry asshole just doing what is politically convenient for her,(not that she is unique in this sense, any long standing politician in either party's power structure is in a similar boat) only given the opportunity through nepotism You simply do not ever reach Hillary's position if you are not an evil person
I'm definitely not saying Trump is better though

>>81637961

>gary johnson
>libertarian

>>81637961
Too bad Gary was a bad candidate. Honestly I think he did harm to the Libertarian party in the long run and if it was anyone- like Bill Weld, would've gotten more votes.

>>81637961
Libertarians are literally retards. You shouldn't be proud that you fail economics 101 and live in a fantasy realm.

>>81637917
Pell grants and Title I funding

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>>81638009
Oh no you're right, this totally disproves any connection Trump has with Russia.

>>81638039
Why would you base your vote on such a trivial issue?

People who vote on social issues over economic ones are the worst

>>81637965
Where is this meme coming from that Obama and his policies aren't populalr? There are completely different factors that were at play here for why she lost.

>>81631978
The taxes they take out of your McDonald's check probably don't even go to this, you faggot.

>>81638088
Because it's literally baby murder, and there's nothing more important than making that illegal.

>>81638009
>the irony

>>81631978
>If I want unbiased educational videos I have youtube

(you)

>>81638088
Can we have a real discussion. Pro-Choice and Pro-Life are the most stupid labels ever. No person is actually anti people having choices or anti life. There's just different agreements on whether it is life or not.

>>81638061
Economics 101 pretty strongly suggests a libertarian would be the right choice
Small government, and free trade are objectively good for the economy, but both parties refuse to acknowledge it

>>81631978
How much money does PBS even take to run? It has to be an insignificant part of the budget.

>>81631978
>Trump purges PBS
>puts conservatives in
>libs suddenly want it shut down
that would be funny

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>>81638054

The entire Libertarian party is a meme. It's basically the Democrat party but fiscally conservative. They support all the same degenerate policies progressives do.

pic related

>>81637838
Thanks friend.

>>81638039
>I would have gone Libertarian this election, but I can't vote for someone who's pro-choice.

I'm saving this, it might possibly be the dumbest thing I've seen on this site and ever will see and I don't want to lose it.

>>81638151
Conservatives will literally bomb people to prevent abortion, safe to say they don't want you making choices for what they consider "baby murder!!! Reeee!!!"

>>81631978
>privatizing public services
It's like you ENJOY having ads shoved in your face

>>81638151
>No person is actually anti people having choices
Ever met a "democratic socialist" or a "neocon"

>>81638123
>Because it's literally baby murder
Its fetus murder. And cheaper then having to bankroll the bad decisions of stupid poor people propegating the next generation of useless eaters.
I mean it shouldn't be used as a contraceptive, but it's better than the alternative.

>>81638204

I'll enjoy not being taxed.

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>>81638054
>he did harm to the Libertarian party
The libertarian party is totally fucked

>>81638180
If we cut every wasteful program that was an insignificant part of the budget we would save a lot of fucking money

>>81638184
See usually I ask libertarians if they're in high-school, but... are you in high-school?

>>81638176
But tell me about the gold standard and why it's okay to deny blacks service.

You don't have broad appeal because you don't fundamentally understand that a free market cannot exist with some form of regulation to protect consumers and businesses. I once had a libertarian tell me that businesses are actually benevolent and would never do shit to take people out of participation in the economy, like minorities, on the grounds that "they just wouldn't, you gotta trust us". It is naive as all fuck if you function with some autistic trust system.

Your platform doesn't work.

>>81638238
You live off goverment supplied neetbux, fatload.

>>81637961
>"I hope one day this site's users will mentally regress back to the age of 16 and advocate for a completely theoretical and overty idealistic societal structure"

>>81637761
>>81637740
What I meant, but forgot, to say is that a large number of outlets may have a liberal bias, but that doesn't mean that the media as a whole has a liebral bias (numbers =/= penetration) Of course cable news isn't the whole story, but it shows that although there may be way more liberal network cabl news channels, a conservative channel beats them out in most categories.

Moral of the story is that the victim complex conservatives have about the media is pointless and adds nothign to political discourse.

>>81638300
Please don't dive into the gold standard debate. It's literally impossible to talk about with with libertarians and on 4chan, with anyone who hasn't had basic econ.

>>81638184
>The entire Libertarian party is a meme. It's basically the Democrat party but fiscally conservative
haha, so nothing at all like the democrat party?
Libertarians support freedom, people making their own decisions

But seriously, social issue voters on both sides are so fucking dumb, all that matters is the economy. Telling people what bathroom to use or what drugs they are allowed to take or who they can marry are so insanely trivial compared to the national debt

>>81638238
SAVE FIFTEEN PER CENT OR MORE WITH GEICO, BA BA BA BA BA I'M LOVING IT!

>>81638300
*cannot exist without regulation

I meant

wont cord cutting kill PBS?

>>81638335
If you want to go back to a gold standard, you are simply retarded.

>>81638361
>wont cord cutting kill PBS?
PBS gets most of it's funding for private donations. How does "cord cutting" affect PBS?

>>81638235

Yes but it's literally baby murder. I don't think you understand how immoral it really is. It's actually the worst crime you could ever commit because the victim is 100% innocent. High moral imperatives such as protecting children need to transcend utilitarian considerations.

End welfare if you are so concerned about the poor overbreeding.

>>81632753
Did you know it's like 1/8 of a cent tax per year per person? More of your tax dollars go to snacks and toilet paper for the govt, and for their families' health care.

>>81638345
I don't think you fully understand the benefits and problems of the national debt. Also, a lot of social issues are also economic ones, big ones. Things like the drug war are worth discussing.

>>81638317
Libertarianism is not anarchy. Its what Western democracy used to be based on, and what allowed America and western europe to become rich and prosperous

>>81637917
the other anon got it for the most part, but if you want more info:

https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/putting-a-number-on-federal-education-spending/

and here

https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget17/index.html

which is summarized here

https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget17/budget-factsheet.pdf

>>81638285

I'm 28.

>>81638423
Get out of here, Christfag. You don't get to police a woman's body.

>>81638451
The question still stands.

>>81638443
A lack of bombed factories helped with that too.

>>81638475
I should've asked if he graduated. My bad.

>>81638422
its losing its audience (cable subs)

soon it will have less viewers, donations, relevance

>>81638423
>moralfag who cares about muh aborted fetuses
>just end welfare though, fuck the poor
Wow, consistent...

>>81638439
There are no benefits of a large national debt

Also yes, the drug war is super shitty and an economic issue,, I was more referring to whether pot should be legal (I think it should be but would never make that a primary reason I voted for someone)

>>81638423
>It's actually the worst crime you could ever commit because the victim is 100% innocent.

There is no victim because they're not sentient, conscious beings. Are you a vegan? Do you think it's immoral to eat a chicken because they're 100% innocent? Did you even think before you typed that appalling tripe? Idiot

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>>81638529

>economists

>>81638300
Those types (gold standard, denying blacks service) are crazy but they're basically the libertarian equivalent of ultra far right Christian fascists and far left, anti-white socialist SJW types in the sense that they don't represent their respective parties as a whole. This is really all I want:

1. End drug prohibition
2. Legalize prostitution
3. National concealed carry permit reciprocity
4. Non-interventionalist foreign policy
5. No more warrantless domestic surveilance
6. Smaller, less intrusive government in general

Give me that and I can move to the hills and spend my life shitposting and visiting brothels in peace.

>>81638564
>dont listen to anyone ever on anything at all

>>81638477
Libertarianism inherently creates fewer bombed factories as free trade very strongly discourages serious wars
Also the seeds of this were sewn way before the bombed factories you speak of.

Economic freedom correlates to prosperity without question. Every single time a country becomes more free economically throughout the world, it helps the population. America and Western Europe were just the first to do it on a major scale, so luckily enough wealth was created to weather the current regressive trends

>>81638505
Not a argument. Also prove they don't

>>81638492
>its losing its audience (cable subs)
>soon it will have less viewers, donations, relevance
Ok. I understand what you mean. But I don't agree.

In addition to the programming that is seen nationally, there is a lot of local stuff that is seen on PBS stations. Sure there is more competition from other outlets. But I don't see it hurting PBS any more than other programming outlets.

I guess time will tell.

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>>81631978

>not chilling out to some America's Test Kitchen
>not watching This Old House
>not watching your weekly Bob Ross
>not giving a few dollars to your local NPR and PBS station

Fucking shaking my head, famalinoids.

>>81638604
Then you really are liberal or agree with liberals.

>>81638345

Spare me your post-Enlightenment materialist worldview. There are more important things in life than perpetually accumulating wealth.

Liberatarians were never socially liberal. You and your leftist ilk hijacked the movement and turned it into another open borders meme. Go worship your sacred cow of the economy you fucking degenerate.

>>81638641

>n-not an a-argument!

fuck off cunt

>>81638529
>>81638529
What are we to do if not postulate?

PBS is fucking useless the only good show is Antique Roadshow which is mainly targeted at the elderly. The rest is brainwashing repeat garbage that needs to die.

>>81638505

Life begins at conception. The cell is a living organism.

>>81638749
Then don't ever masturbate you murderer.

Y'know if you're really concerned where your tax payer dollars are going you should take a look at the pentagon. The fact that BILLIONS OF DOLLARS go through there and yet nobody seems to fucking know where all that money ends up or what it's even used for. That's pretty scary.

>>81638749

You care about the lives of single-celled organisms? lmfao

>>81638808

A sperm cell can't develop into a human without an ovum.

>>81638300
>and why it's okay to deny blacks service.
Jim Crow was the law. Its the exact opposite of libertarianism

Having said that people should be able to do what they want with their private property, its none of the government's business. It is very much a business's customers' business though, and doing dumb shit will hurt you
>You don't have broad appeal because you don't fundamentally understand that a free market cannot exist with some form of regulation to protect consumers and businesses
Dude, libertarians are not anarchists. The fundamental base of it is needing a government that protects private property and enforces contracts
>businesses are actually benevolent and would never do shit to take people out of participation in the economy,
They are not inherently good or bad, but the vast majority of the time their interests align with the public as purchases are mutually beneficial
Most importantly, its just not the government's right to be the moral arbiter. People deserve the freedom to make their own decisions even if a certain percentage of them will make dumb decisions

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>>81638669

>forgetting The Woodwrights Shop

Oh dear. How the FUCK are you going to remember how to make furniture once everything falls apart. Seriously though. They're so thorough.

>>81638837

No, I care about humans.

>>81638680
>There are more important things in life than perpetually accumulating wealth.
Sure, but having accumulated wealth makes all of those things easier. Economic freedom is very strongly correlated to improvements in quality of life. There has been no greater force in human history for moving people out of poverty and preventing large scale wars than capitalism

>>81638680
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Funny how hardcore religious fanatics consider libertarians leftist while leftist assholes all consider them conservative

>>81638846
and a fetus doesn't develop into a person without an ovary

>>81638680
>It starts with the letter L! It's liberal
Imagine having so many chromosomes you get mad at letters.

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>>81636918
If you don't believe in climate change you are beyond retarded. in 20 or 30 years when you complain about the summer heat remember that it was worth it because some big Corp made a couple million extra dollars this year.

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>>81631978
>/pol/tard
>Against public education

What a surprise

>>81638872

ok?

>>81639083
Global warming is real, and probably bad, but its not the fucking end of the world

>>81639115
Define "end of the world"

If you mean Mad Max style scorched Earth apocalypse, maybe not

But if you mean life as we know it changing, and irriversible damage being done to the natural world, then yes, it does

>>81638898

No. Once you obtain enough wealth to afford basic necessities, happiness levels off.

Yea buddy, I know capitalism reduces poverty. You don't have to give me that speech. I guarantee I've read more Rothbard/Mises/Hayek than you. I support absolute freedom like you. I just don't worship the economy like a god.

>>81639115
>but its not the fucking end of the world

Ah, an expert I see.

>PBS Newshour
>Local politics show
>Debates for local elections
>The McLaughlin Group (RIPIP)
>Doha debates
>Intelligence Squared Debates
>Point Taken
>American Experience
>Nature
>Nova
>Frontline
>Local high school football games
Did I miss anything?

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>>81638942

Not religious. Just traditionalist.

Remember to support your local news /tv/

>>81638966

What is your point?

>>81639115

Global warming isn't bad. More energy in the atmosphere means more arable land, and less climate-related deaths.

>>81639190
>No. Once you obtain enough wealth to afford basic necessities, happiness levels off.
Economic freedom provides more people with the wealth to afford basic necessities. Just look at how much China has improved with just a little injection of freedom over the last few decades
Plus, I am talking about actual quality of life, not perceived "happiness".

>>81639296
>More energy in the atmosphere means more arable land

lol

>>81639229
so you want to have a king and shit, and enslave africans?

>>81639298

I'm not arguing against economic freedom you dunce... did you not read my post?

>>81639229
>talking shit about the French Revolution
DEATH TO THE KING

>>81639083
This.

It's like they don't get how major corporations are only duping them in order to keep making money at the expense of their fucking health. These are the same people who complain about da globalist agenda, yet at the same time, playing into their hands and denying climate change.

It is the moat baffling thing about America

>>81639330

Do you really think that's what Traditionalism is or are you just trolling?

It's true that monarchy is the best form of government by far. But I'm not a statist.

>>81639256
My point was that your previous point was arbitrary. If sperm doesn't count because it doesn't develop into a human without the input of something else, then why is a fetus any different when it likewise doesn't become a viable human on its own

>>81639353
This.

>>81639367
>It's true that monarchy is the best form of government by far
Oh sweetie, you are retarded.

>>81639336
What are you actually arguing?

>>81639342

Good government drone. Keep parroting what your teachers told you in public school. Democracy is the best form of government.

>>81639229
What in the fuck does traditionalist even mean? It never makes sense. Do you piss in an outhouse and churn butter in a wodden churn on a farm? Do you not vaccinate your kids because of "reasons"?

>>81639367
I don't know what the fuck "traditionalism" is, seems like just some shitty nostalgia for days when everything used to be shit
>It's true that monarchy is the best form of government by far
Its cool if you have a highly competent ruler, but otherwise its pretty damn shitty

>>81639408
Better than having some inbred wanker with a cape decide everything by whim

>>81639397

You said "all that matters is the economy" that that social issues are not important. I'm saying social issues are the most important and that you only need a basic level of wealth to obtain human fulfillment, and that wealth accumulation is a vapid and empty exercise.

>>81639481

You really have no idea how a monarchy works, do you? The average person was not affected by the king's decisions at all.

>>81639517
>The average person was not affected by the king's decisions at all.

Not much point in having a king then

>>81639517
Are you legitimately retarded? This is quite honestly, the dumbest post I have ever read in 7 years on this autistic as shit board.
>The average person was not affected by the king's decisions at all.
I am being serious here, I have never heard something more stupid.

>>81639489
I'd rather have more wealth than be allowed to marry a specific type of person or smoke weed legally
Its true that there used to be some very important social issues, but now they are all so ridiculously trivial, the media will whip up people into a frenzy about some super minor issue that mildly affects the quality of life of a tiny portion of the population and then no one will talk about the economy or massive national debt

>>81639449

Most monarchs were extremely competent rulers, since they were actually trained by birth to be rulers.

Compare this to a democracy, in which rulers are chosen in popularity contest.

>>81639517
>The average person was not affected by the king's decisions at all.
They were when he decided to go to war for territorial ambitions to increase his tax base

>>81639618
>Most monarchs were extremely competent rulers
um, not really though

>>81639599
>I'd rather have more wealth than be allowed to marry a specific type of person or smoke weed legally

Get a job

>>81639599
Equal marriage may be trivial to you, someone who isn't effected by unfair laws, but to the gay community, who were disenfranchised from a legal right, it mattered. Calling problems trivial just because they don't effect you is like not being pro-Civil Rights because you aren't black.

Everyone deserves the same rights. If you are complicent to suffering and injustice, you are partially responsible.

>>81639589

The political system was hierarchical. The nobles answered to the king, the lords answered to the nobles, the serfs answered to the lords, etc.

>>81639650
I have a job, thats precisely why I am concerned with what the government is spending my money on and how much of my money they will take

>>81639618
>Most monarchs were extremely competent rulers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Someone failed world history.

>>81639623

Serfs did not go to war you fucking idiot. Conscription was invented in the 19th century.

>>81639661
>The nobles answered to the king, the lords answered to the nobles, the serfs answered to the lords, etc.

I don't want nobles, serfs and lords in my society, thanks.

>>81639649

Compared to democratic leaders, they were highly competent. Less debt, less wars, higher trust, etc.

>>81639656
Even if a politician wanted to outlaw all marriage, it would still be a pretty damn trivial issue.
>is like not being pro-Civil Rights because you aren't black
No, its like not basing your vote specifically on a politician's Civil Rights Stance because other issues were more pressing, also Civil Rights was a way bigger deal than marriage rights, it much more directly affected the quality of life of the people it applied to
>Everyone deserves the same rights
I completely agree, but minor rights such as marriage just aren't as important as the economic prosperity of the nation. There are no serious social issues anymore

>>81639703

I don't want them either. Which is why I never argued for monarchy in the first place. The whole reason this conversation started is because I triggered some demotists by saying their political system was not the absolute best in history of humankind.

>>81639702
Well, better hope the neighboring king doesn't have ambitions for the land your king holds

>>81639726
There were not fewer wars. Thats insane. We currently have fewer wars than any time in recorded history thanks to capitalism

>>81639777
Literally no one has even defended Democracy, people are just saying your yearning to return to a shitty period of human history is dumb. The past sucked, traditionalism is a retarded ideology

>>81639851

Traditionalism is not about "returning to a period in the past." Again, you don't understand Traditionalism. But if you keep yelling at me, I'm sure your strawmen will eventually come true.

>>81639661

The serfs didn't answer to the lords, they would answer to the peasants.

>>81639922
please define traditionalism. No one even knows what you are talking about as its not an actual political or economic ideology so we have to infer what you mean by your text

>>81639922
>Traditionalism is not about "returning to a period in the past.
Thats literally what it is

>>81639759
>there are no serious social issues anymore
I'm sorry but this attitude is daft and willful ignorance. Just because some issues are "smaller", doesn't mean they are less important.

>>81639851
I defend democracy. I'm not some fedorafag who thinks democracy is bad. I quite like it over a despot or tyrant telling me what to do.

>>81640029
>ust because some issues are "smaller", doesn't mean they are less important.
Thats precisely what importance means. Shit like the abolition of slaver was inherently and dramatically more important than what bathroom someone is supposed to use

>>81639804

The two bloodiest wars in human history occurred in the 20th century after the rise of democracy. There was also the American civil war. The U.S. itself has been involved in some dozen or so wars throughout its short history, as well as hundreds of conflicts. There have been hundreds of wars in the 20th century alone.

Some monarchies would go 100 years without a single conflict. Democracies have been EXTREMELY aggressive compared to monarchies. Moreover, wars waged by democracies have been FAR more violent.