Is he just a meme at this point or is he legit? Most modern

I've been watching a lot of Zak George's YouTube channel. If you don't mind his constant shilling I think they're pretty informative. He uses positive dog training, constant use of treats to establish obedience.

TSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>81628181
he is most certainly not a meme and he knows his stuff but reddit numales will disagree

>>81628487
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>>81628487

WE WUZ DOGZ

What has "science" ever done for dogs compared to Cesar?

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I kine of jus liek......... wheesper to dese dogs mane.

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>>81628593
>a labrador biting someone

Lel now I have seen everything

>>81628816
>an abuse dog being fucked up

yeah no shit

>>81628487
>>81628546
>>81628593
He tamed that beast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlN6NsbWAQg&ytbChannel=PomiRamirez

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>>81628181
tell me more of modern dog science

>>81628181
The dogs he deals with aren't the best. I think his theory makes sense but he's not doing it right. They need to respect humans in order to be trained.

But having a mexican come in and dominate the dog at its own house isn't going to work every time.

>>81628847

Based Cesar.

Who knew the key to domesticating dogs was giving them a swift kick to the gut?

>pls cesar my dog is barking come to my house and kick it for me

>>81628866
it worked for your mum last night lol

Putting yourself in a situation where you are likely to get bit....it doesn't help the dog, and its just fucking stupid.

>>81628847
>>81628593

Until this very moment I didn't know autistic dogs existed.

>>81628487
I have an identical Labrador to that, could barely imagine him attacking someone.

>>81628181

Cesar helped THOUSANDS of pet owners throughout his career. The theory might have been debunked (it hasn't), but not his results.

>>81628181
>modern dog science
yeah, yeah, also vaccinations gave you autism

>>81628884
this also works on children and cats

>>81628884

Gotta assert dominance to become the alpha bro

caalm, submissih behavioh

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>>81628181
we need based slav Dinko to deport the illegals

I implemented everything from his show when I was training my female lab 5 years ago and she is pretty much the perfect dog. She challenged me a few times but I would put her on her back and scream into her ear and you could tell she fully submit. It may not be pc and it may piss liberals off but the guy knows what hes talking about.

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>making documentary on pitbulls
>talk to an owner of one
>says he is a good boy like any other dog
>dog then kills the owner mid-interview

How many lethal domestic cat attacks have there been?

>>81628181

The show is less about him training dogs and more about people hoping to seem him get bitten.

>>81628181
Science: Dog Dominance Declared A Myth, Alpha MALES Don't Exist

cesar is based. anyone who disagrees is a reddit numale faggot cuck

Dogs have been with humans since before humans developed enough to tame animals. It is not that we tamed wolves, but wolves saw it is advantageous to hang around humans.

WE WUZ WOLFZ N' SHIET

>>81630952
proof?

>>81630952
I know you're being facetious but you can die from cat bites getting infected.

>>81630528
alt-right retard

>>81628593
That lightning speed kick!

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>>81630952

>brits

He tried to kill himself after his dog died and his wife filed for divorce in the same month

>>81631276
Funny story, few years ago, some Brit was getting attacked by a dog and was fighting it off. Somebody rushed out of their home and threw him a knife to kill the dog. Guy didn't do it. He just let himself die.

But it makes me laugh thinking about it

>OH NO THAT MAN NEEDS HELP
>I HAVE A WEAPON
>HERE YOU GO! YOU DO IT :^)
>SHIGGYDIGGY

/an/ hates his methods

>>81631166
I googled it. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/owner-killed-by-staffordshire-bull-terrier-while-bbc-crew-filmed-him_uk_58db5f15e4b0cb23e65c79a2

>huffpost

Yeah yeah but it's source, find the other websites that fit your political bias then.

>>81631199
That's a secondary infection and has nothing to do with the cat itself. You can get a secondary infection from anything. It is a sign of poor health care of the wound.

>>81630952
>How many lethal domestic cat attacks have there been?
Cats don't play that game. They make it look like an accident. Like when they decide to be Mr. underfoot when you're going downstairs, or carrying something sharp. Or they just wait for you to die of natural causes and then eat your face, they wont even wait untill youre cold either.

>>81631424
/an/other faggot you shouldn't care about

>>81631461
>bull terrier same as pit bull
wrong

Does anyone actually like pitbulls? The only people who I see own them are white trash or ethnic people and they all seem to own it solely because "it's the toughest dog but he is really a gentle giant"

Queue 3 years later when someone gets mauled.

How fucking terrible of an owner do you have to raise an aggressive Labrador

>>81631544
Rude!
[sage]/an/ is comfy as fuck[/sage]

>>81631461
>Bare Butt Jeans Might Be The Next Big Denim Trend Thanks To Vetements And Levi (Yes, Really)
wtf I love the future now

>>81628884
>Who knew the key to domesticating dogs was giving them a swift kick to the gut?
Obviously did you really think human ancestors tamed wolfs by acting like numales

>>81628181
Dominance theory had a poor foundation, but it hasn't been debunked in the way people think. wolves in the wild actually have a social structure more similar to parents-children than strict alpha-beta-etc and dogs recognize that humans are different than them. It doesn't mean you can't establish dominance.

>>81631582
my lab gets picked on by cats lol

>>81631659
dominance is bad, better suck cocks and fuck trannies instead

The only way to tame a belligerent dog is to kick the shit out of them. I've raised doberman, rottweiler, german sheperds, chihuahuas. It works every single time.

I wouldn't try it on a pitbull though.

>>81631659
>alpha-beta-
You are thinking in 4chan levels
Alpha means pack leader and the dogs need to know they are below you same for your kids othereise they will never respect you

>>81631570
what are you even on about? bull terriers, staffys, american staffs, and apbts all fall under pitbull. They all share an origin with fighting dogs in Europe and early 20th century US.Some are further removed from their fighting origins but they are as much of a pitbull as american GSDs are GSDs.

>>81631738
>I wouldn't try it on a pitbull though.
coward

>>81631830
this. the same way we still have presidents

>>81628847
thats a big dog

>>81629222
And women too!

>>81631946
Too bad nobody respects drumpf :^)

>>81631830
>Alpha means pack leader
No, it doesn't. Saying alpha in a social structure context has other implications that don't fit with wolves. There isn't some constant struggle for dominance or control through strength. It is a leader-follower relationship. There is no strict "below you".

>>81631993
FOR YOU

>>81631623
the reason why dogs got domesticated isn't because humans beat the shit out of them, it's because dogs that were nice and qt were fed by humans and given shelter and dogs that were mean were left out, so qt and nice dogs had a greater survival rate, reproduced, and were raised to be humans' partners while mean dogs acted like wolves

>>81630952
>get off plane in england for "holiday"
>try to use a knife to cut my food
>don't have my knife ID so i get arrested
>released next day
>mauled to death by a dog

>>81631020

yeah those beta scientists would say that HUH

>>81632021
kek

>>81631410
He would've gone to prison for a decade by touching the thing

>>81631881
I have tried it, just don't recommend it. Pitbulls for some reason don't respond to physical punishment, they will always fight back. Taming a pitbull is more of a mental exercise. You have to stand your ground, establish guidelines and enforce them. Basically running out the clock until they accept you as the pack leader.

>>81632125
>"qt" not refering to a girl
sick bastard

>>81632021
SO DONALD

>>81632048
wow so you are telling are telling me wolfs just simply follow the strongest and accept it


>leader-follower relationship
So beta following an alpha. Good to kno
>>81632125
>the reason why dogs got domesticated isn't because humans beat the shit out of them

Nobody said you have to constantly hitting your dogs but not asserting dominance is the worst thing you could do ;^)

>>81629222
>this also works on children and cats
You forgot women

>>81631581

I have a Staffordshire bull terrier mix from a rescue centre that I've raised from a puppy. It's her 9th birthday in two days, and in that time I've had no trouble with her when it comes to people. There have been a few situations where other dogs have tried to bite her, but nothing more than that. She's the most placid and goofiest pupper ever and I love her even though she's getting old and keeps farting.

I mean, she brutalises wild animals like rabbits when given the chance (which isn't often even though I live in a rural area), so maybe she gets her killer instinct out there. It seems that apart from being a Staffy mix she also has some runner dog in her, because she goes like the fucking wind.

I think an important part of behaviour is actually in terms of breeding. Purebreds are usually just fucking weirder behaviourally, especially when their stock was specifically bred to be hunting or fighting dogs, like bull terriers. You mix them with anything, even just for one generation, then they're normal. Mixes and mongrels > purebreds.

>>81631738
i have, and it knows its place, like the bitch it is.

who knew the bane and reddit board was so hardcore :O

>>81632416
hello r/aww

>>81632347
Go make the sound of a wounded animal near it and see what happens.

>>81628847
>spanish
he better be in fuckin' mexico

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>>81628181
He runs his own dog ranch gee what the fuck do you think you fucking moron.

>>81632048
didn't the guy that coined the whole "alpha wolf" shit say it was all bs?

I read that wolves run pretty similar to human families. Parents in charge, older kids above middle above younger in who leads. They thought at first the nipping thing was a dominance thing and showing belly was submissive but now believe its kinda just playing. Like how you fuck around with your siblings by poking them a bit or just lay around their space all "what up".

But the alpha thing is kinda true for wolves in zoos, the human equivalent would be I guess humans in jail. Like if aliens came down and studied humans based only on how a bunch of guys looked up and made to follow some artificial rule structure they'd come to think we were weird as fuck compared to the way most humans sorta stay in family structures and mate normally.

>>81632131
>get thrown off plane in america for "holiday"
>go to store to buy kinder egg
>didn't know they were illegal so I get arrested
>released next day
>get shot by nigger

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>>81632524
can't help but think they are changing it so we don't apply those concepts to ourselves

>>81632465

But she knows I'm not an animal. She knows I'm in charge.
We spend a lot of time visiting my grandfather, who had half of his left leg amputated about 10 years ago due to complications around surgery on a leg wound he sustained when he was in the Army (he got shot in the Kenya Emergency in 1954), and his health has been steadily deteriorating over the past 10 years. But he loves the dog and she loves him and I can leave them alone together without her turning 'killer' just because he's injured. Stop being autistic.

>>81632300
>so you are telling are telling me wolfs just simply follow the strongest and accept it
where did I even imply *wolfs* did that??
>So beta following an alpha
that's like filling up a bathtub and calling it a pond
>>81632524
I don't know that he ever said it was bs, but all his research came from two packs in captivity and it was just accepted for a while.
>run pretty similar to human families. Parents in charge...
they do, but the way you described families is slightly off. The parents are the only ones who do any consistent leading, while siblings will follow older ones sometimes and only as long as they want to. Even the leaders are sometimes defied, with or without consequence.

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>>81632629

>>81632804
Feels good to know your nigger breed will be destroyed in the coming years. That kind of animal that is biologically designed to maim as much as possible doesn't deserve to be near humans.

>>81632524
>Parents in charge, older kids above middle above younger in who leads.

So essentially the alpha according the original term and not the new meme definition

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Cats >>>>>>>>> dogs

>>81632347
>Purebreds are usually just fucking weirder behaviourally
that's wildly untrue. More selective breeding makes for much more consistent temperament. You could buy a pitbull from a game dog kennel that will attack other dogs with unrivaled tenacity but is no more likely to attack a person than the average dog. It's when you mix breeds with strong traits that you get real problems. For example, the pitbull-mastiff mixes that are used to get american bullys. Mixing those guarding instincts with the tenacity of a pitbull makes a very dangerous dog, if only it was healthy enough to actually run after you.

>>81632524

Behavioural studies of animals in captivity are highly flawed simply because they are in captivity, even something as 'uncomplicated' as reptiles, amphibians or fish.
In the same way, trying to corroborate behavioural studies of wolves, either wild or captive, with the training of dogs is also heavily flawed. Dogs are not wolves any more. They have been bred so extensively that they now greatly differ behaviourally. Puppies, from a young age, will begin to respond to human commands and boundaries. You can quickly get a puppy to not eat food off the table or jump on a sofa or bed (at least when you are present, and a well-behaved puppy will quickly no longer do it even when you aren't), while a wolf cub will function only on its own interests and instincts and ignore all human boundaries and commands. This is because 'taming' is not the same as domestication. It is not sheer strength of will or dominance that leads dogs to 'respect' their owners, it is thousands of years of selective breeding and forced socialisation. We have bred dogs to be more docile, more sociable towards humans, more passive, less aggressive, more receptive to our commands and more agreeable in general. Even 'dangerous' breeds like bull terriers and the like are nothing compared to the dangers posed by wolves in any context, wild or in captivity, simply because wolves are not domesticated. Trying to carry wolf social structures, whether in their natural, non-captive, 'undiluted' state or the weird prison societies that emerge in zoos, over to dogs is a fruitless exercise when talking about animal psychology and social structure.
It only works for Millan because dogs have been so successfully bred by our ancestors, and any dog will change its behaviour if encouraged enough. It's not about 'dominance', it's about not wanting to get kicked any more, and this leading to conditioned positive responses.

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>walk my dog a lot and ergo know pretty much the entire dog community around my neighborhood
>all of the cesar milan autists are entirely made up of old, husbandless childless grumpy women
>every single fucking one
>abuse their own dogs and try abusing every elses dogs in order to show the owner what "cesar milan taught me"
>over the years their dogs have just gotten more and more aggressive
>mfw

>>81633160

Well yeah if you mix two 'killer' dogs you're gonna get something dangerous, but 'diluting' the tenacity of a bull terrier or pitbull with a softer, more docile breed will lead to, essentially, a mellower pitbull. Also mongrels are better than all, imho, because they usually have so many ancestral components that their behaviour becomes more well-rounded. Consistence in temperament isn't necessarily good when dogs that have been consistently bred for centuries to have temperaments ideal for fighting and killing are put into domestic situations. I'm not saying that's the rule by the way, I don't think there's a rule for either position, i.e. bull terriers are always killers vs. bull terriers are the nicest dog ever, it depends on the dog and its history and also how its owners have treated it. It's a mix of both nature (i.e. breeding) and nurture (i.e. treatment and training).

On a side note, dogs also inherently do not view humans as either A) other dogs or B) just animals. To dogs, we are humans. To some dogs that means a threat, to, others, not so much.

i agree with cesar but i don't like to establish dominance with physical force, instead i do it by subtly undermining my dog's confidence so she never feels as though she's good enough for any other owner. stuff like telling her she's fat or smells funny or eats too many dog treats.

>>81631738
Yeah, pitbulls are too unstable and unpredictable imo

>>81630952
Was this the man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quav-tLOh7M

>>81633709
Your post made me legit laugh.
Have a drink on me.

>Let's get a non-threateningly attractive man who is simultaneously every race and kind of a fag
>Now let's cover him in doggos

Absolute goldmine desu.

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>>81634021
>attractive man
>shit skin
Are you even trying

>>81634183
/polgbt/ out

>>81632765
I think he changed it in the 80s or some shit. Like 5 years after his first "alpha" nonsense was published.

>>81628847
>posting some spinach bid where I can't understand and could be some other dog

>>81634183
>implying the person in your pic is even attractive
talk about low standards lol KYS cuck

>>81634229
>>81634312
Fuck off shills

>>81632226
>Taming a pitbull is more of a mental exercise. You have to stand your ground, establish guidelines and enforce them. Basically running out the clock until they accept you as the pack leader.
What? What the fuck that's not how to train a pitbull that's retarded

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>>81634183
>>>81634021
>>attractive man
>>shit skin
>are you even trying

>>81633518
The pitbull mix was just an example, and "diluting" one might not be a good idea even if it's not with another "killer" dog. The point was that a very selectively bred dog almost knows its purpose and the owner can expect its temperament reasonably well. You can mix dogs that are as crazy as the pit mix but just in a more innocuous way. The mixing of small terrier breeds with other dogs is a good example. Designer small dog breeds seem almost universally neurotic, but a good terrier is only that way when working i.e. baying a pig. You have to remember that most breeds today were actually purposely bred for some activity, few were made as just pets so you're not diluting with water, it's more like diluting with another chemical and hoping they don't react.

>>81634344
nice /pol/ buzzword faggot
back to /r/the_Donald

>>81633201
>Even 'dangerous' breeds like bull terriers and the like are nothing compared to the dangers posed by wolves in any context, wild or in captivity, simply because wolves are not domesticated
You clearly never saw a wolf in your life.
Wolfs being "wild" doesn't mean "wild" as "crazy", agressive, mad as fuck, that will attack your ass in sight wolf.
Wild just mean "without human contact" wild.
The nature of the wolf is not dangerous, you are talking as if present day dogs are washed down present day wolfs, and that's retarded.
While there are a lot of dogs that are a lot more submissive than wolfs, that doesn't mean there aren't dogs more agressive and that could trash a wolf any day. And not just pitbullls. A lot of dogs.

>>81634525

>Designer small dog breeds seem almost universally neurotic

Yeah dogs descended from toy dog purebreds are weirdly socialised, probably stemming from the fact they're so tiny.

>a good terrier is only that way when working i.e. baying a pig

This is a load of shit. My aunt and uncle have had about 12 purebred border terriers over the past 20 years and each and every one has been LOUD and ANNOYING as SHIT, constantly barking and never shutting the fuck up, simply because they were always neurotic and on edge. Same with the vast majority of purebred Jack Russells.
I think we disagree on how exact dog breeding has been historically. Just because dogs were bred for specific tasks or activities, doesn't mean they are automatically dutiful and good natured because of their breeding. The environment massively affects them as well, and, though maybe I was too on the nose when I said 'purebreds are weirder', from my experience being purebred doesn't mean the dog is any more likely to be consistent or good-natured, instead, when it comes to terriers, at least, I often find them to be more unpredictable. Something similar is, again, in my experience, true of standard poodles. They can be a bit weird and unpredictable when purebred, I personally don't like them, but mix them with a ridiculously docile dog like a labrador, and you have a labradoodle, which always seem less on edge or odd-natured. Purebred greyhounds or other similar sighthound breeds are also, even if essentially lazy, calm and submissive in most cases, kind of neurotic and volatile in certain situations, simply because they're bred to be slightly highly-strung and reactive, while a lurcher, ie a sighthound x a working dog, doesn't show the negative implications of these attributes as much, and will often be more placid. However, as with all dogs, temperament will be modified by socialising the puppy.

>>81630952
Cats literally infect your brain with a parasite that gives you toxoplasmosis all cats do this

>>81634919

>Wild just mean "without human contact" wild.

I know, but it does mean that wolves are wholly unpredictable and will not react in any way to human commands. I know this can be true of some breeds of dog like pitbulls in many situations, but there are other situations wherein a pitbull can be controlled by a human simply because they have been bred to be submissive to some degree (because all dogs have). That would never happen with a wolf.

>you are talking as if present day dogs are washed down present day wolfs, and that's retarded.

No, but they are selectively bred to be easier to socialise and control, even those bred for hunting and killing. It will be a certain type of dog with a certain history and standard of breeding AND rearing that will turn on a person. It could just be any wolf that would attack a person. To clarify, I don't fear or hate wolves or assume they are constantly attacking and mauling people, I just treat them with a greater wariness and respect than I do most dogs, even 'killer' breeds.

>>81628847
it still seems like kind of an asshole dog that could snap at any moment

even that little one running away knew to stay the fuck away from it

>>81635709

yeah but chihuahuas are terrified of literally fucking everything

>>81628712
I thought this was some cool Monty Python reference until I re-read it.

>>81633392

Just admit you enjoy hanging out with your dog in low risk comfortable settings. You more than likely have no real approach to dealing with your dog in abnormal or exotic settings. It is mild mannered enough that you don't have to worry about it in most situations and you had no mind to change its routine.

I won't stick up for those mentrually jacked ladies at the park who wish it were oh-so-easy as this with their husbands/work associates. But you definitely don't belong in a conversation about high level training with that yuppie attitude of "just getting it" with your dog. No matter what you do, it all takes work.

>>81635319
>My aunt and uncle have had about 12 purebred border terriers over the past 20 years and each and every one has been LOUD and ANNOYING as SHIT
purebred show dogs or working? It's anecdote vs anecdote at this point, but all the farm terriers i've know have been as stable as any other dog.
>from my experience being purebred doesn't mean the dog is any more likely to be consistent or good-natured
I think you just aren't understanding what consistent means. I didn't say purebred automatically makes them a good dog, but it will give them much more consistent temperament. A purebred GSD will bond very strongly, be weary of strangers, and be protective. Some of those traits might not necessarily be good, as it could lead to a bite, but they will be consistent. Saying that a purebred is no more likely to be consistent is just...really dumb. I hope you misspoke.

>>81636636
kek

Why are darker men so alpha? no wonder whiteys so mad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Gr0UQ6Lng

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>>81630952

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>>81628181
Why are the only good /tv/ threads where we discuss irrelevant reality show stuff like this?

>>81628884
>>81629222
kek

I wouldn't expect less than retardation here on 4chan, but this exceeds autistic levels.

Behavioural modification isnt about "Alpha" status bullshit. All that teaches them is fear. They know to not do that thing when you're around because they'll get hit.

Think of it in dumbass Star Wars terms: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate.

The only dogs that MAY have been bred down from a wolf is a husky or in even lesser terms, a shepherd. Do you fucks really think a chihuahua is a descendent of wolves? Do you think a fucking Persian cat is a descendent of a Lion?

Thick skulls here. Dogs can be trained within 21-28 days by consistently rewarding them for behaviours and then phasing it out. They're not dumb creatures. Everything with a dog becomes routine.

But sure, keep smacking and kicking your dogs and pretending you're actually an "Alpha" anything. A dog knows you're not a fucking dog so they have no reason to act like you're one.

>>81640193
give sauce

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>>81628487
>>81628546

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post puppers

>>81628487
>Sometimes I whisper with my legs

>>81640523
> Do you fucks really think a chihuahua is a descendent of wolves
they can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, they're literally the same species

my friend subscribed to this guys philosophy and i always felt bad for her dogs. they had spikes on their collars that she would tug on that would make them stop doing whatever they were doing. she said it mimicked her biting their necks or something.

>>81640193
Who is this semen demon?

>>81630528
>female lab
It doesn't work in the long run. You must be encouraging, consistent, and calm, or they will stop listening to you completely. They will end up stressed and the problem behavior continues when you thought you yelled at them. They will stop playing your game whenever they feel like it instead of trying to be your good dog. Its not alpha to scream at people.

>>81641124
kek, I have a friend who does this as well. She says it's because her dog is huge and she can't reel it in any other way since she's like 5'2''. I told her it was mean and she called me a faggot.