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>>81609526
>one day from the S10 and we're still not even mentioning it in the OP

IT'S YOUUUUR BIRTH-DAY TO-DAYYYYY

Dubs and series 10 is shit.

>>81609619
Dubs and John Simm is redeemed in series 10.

dubs and on-season /who/ is shit tier as usual
see you in july cunts
also capaldi era is the best of nuwho deal with it fagits

>>81609637
Dubs and Moffat passes away before the Christmas Special

>>81609652
I'm reporting you

My Capaldi's episodes rankings so far.


Deep Breath - Good
Into the Dalek - Meh
Robots of Sherwood - Okay
Listen - Okay
Time Heist - Okay
The Caretaker - Okay
Kill the Moon - Meh
Mummy on the Orient Express - GOAT
Flatline - Good
In the Forest of the Night - Bad
Dark Water - Great
Death in Heaven - Okay

Last Christmas - Great

The Magician's Apprentice - Okay
The Witch's Familiar - Good
Under the Lake - Good
Before the Flood - Meh
The Girl Who Died - Okay
The Woman Who Lived - Bad
The Zygon Invasion - Meh
The Zygon Inversion - Okay
Sleep No More - Bad
Face the Raven - Good
Heaven Sent - GOAT
Hell Bent - Meh

Husbands Good
Mysterio Good

Dubs and Doctor Who gets axed before episode two is aired

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>>81609637
Jokes on you, Simm's Master is already good. Everything else is just a plus.

>>81609666
>you

>>81609660
Dubs and Gomez and Simms Master kiss.

>>81609652
It's like you're doing a perfect impression of how unbearable on-season posters are. Please don't come back

Dubs and Capaldi is kill

>>81609683
oh shit i was about to do that one

>>81609697
>on-season
>liking doctor who

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Can anyone give me the low-down on this please? What was going on between Moffat and Skinner?

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>>81609700
uh oh

>>81609573
HAPPY FOURTEENTH BIRTHDAY
tfw get warned for posting wikiafrog images because mods think it's avatarfagging

>>81609784
>tfw get warned for posting wikiafrog images
Thank you for sharing this. I report you literally every single time and now I know to continue :^)

>muh doctor who is a gritty drama no fun or silly scenes allowed anything silly is SHIT and CRINGE XD!!!!!

>>81609845
What are you even reacting to?

>>81609837
>being so autistic that you get mad at a silly green frog

>>81609887
It doesn't make me mad. Sorry if the warning has upset you.

Why don't you post one now, for old time's sake?

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>>81609732
I cum on Skinner
She hiss at penis

>>81609915
>It doesn't make me mad.
Why do you report a harmless image that makes /who/res laugh then?

>>81609877
Schizophrenia

>>81609837
>actually believing only one person posts wikiafrog
just because you don't like a meme doesn't mean nobody else does, anon

Are you actually hype for the pilot?
I'm only expecting it to be a Rose-tier "good enough" so I can't say I'm hype honestly. I guess the simm trailer is hype worthy though

>>81610071
>you

>>81609732
Can someone answer my question, please?

>>81610106
SIMMKEKS GET OUT

WE'RE GOMEZCHADS NOW

>>81610133
how am I meant to give you a lowdown on a flag?

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>>81610138

>>81610106
I'm mid-hype.
I think it'll be like Mysterio: a nice bit of telly but not pushing the boat out too far.
Pearl and Peter look good :)

>>81610106
Yes.
I'm very hyped.
I couldn't stand Clara and I thought she was terrible and extremely unlikable companion. Bill seems nice and comfy and finaĺly in shes show will have a character you can relate to.
I'm very hyped.

>>81610106
I'm pretty hype, but more so for the return of who in general than for the episode itself
I agree with you, the episode looks alright, but not amazing

Are we getting a new title sequence or at least a new theme?

>>81610265
I sincerely doubt it desu, we would have heard something by now from all of the press who have seen it
it'll be the first time since S1-3 that we've had the same opening titles for 3 serieses in a row

Though I guarantee they'll find ways to fuck up the timing to make the music even more out of sync than before, so you can look forward to that

>>81610265
That would be a pretty shitty thing to do to Chibnall, so probably.

>>81610265
Nope

>>81610299
You made a mistake here, anon. That long reply was way too fast.

>>81610299
>>81610312
>>81610313

That's too bad. At least I'll have something to look forward to in the Chibnall era. Getting rid of the shitty 'batteries dying' theme.

>>81610265
No, if we were it probably would have been mentioned in reviews by now

My honest Capaldi episodes rankings so far.


Deep Breath - 7/10
Into the Dalek - 6/10
Robots of Sherwood - 6/10
Listen - 8/10
Time Heist - 5/10
The Caretaker - 6/10
Kill the Moon - 1/10
Mummy on the Orient Express - 10/10
Flatline - 9/10
In the Forest of the Night - 2/10
Dark Water - 9/10
Death in Heaven - 5/10

Last Christmas - 4/10

The Magician's Apprentice - 4/10
The Witch's Familiar - 8/10
Under the Lake - 8/10
Before the Flood - 4/10
The Girl Who Died - 7/10
The Woman Who Lived - 4/10
The Zygon Invasion - 5/10
The Zygon Inversion - 7/10
Sleep No More - 4/10
Face the Raven - 8/10
Heaven Sent - 10/10
Hell Bent - 5/10

Husbands of River Song - 6/10
The Return of Doctor Mysterio - 7/10

>>81610329
shut it mongo you cuck

Sounds GOAT
https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/852856724797239297

>>81610433

>is Bill Susan?
>no

Bill is the Rani confirmed.

Series 8

>GOAT Tier
Mummy on the Orient Express

>Great Tier
Flatline

>Good Tier
Deep Breath
Time Heist
Dark Water
Listen

>Passable Tier
Into the Dalek
Death in Heaven

>Poor Tier
Robot of Sherwood

Bad Tier
The Caretaker
Kill the Moon
In the Forest of the Night"


Series 9

>GOAT Tier
Heaven Sent

>Great Tier
The Husbands of River Song

>Good Tier
Last Christmas
Before the Flood
Under the Lake

>Passable Tier
The Zygon Invasion
The Zygon Inversion
Face the Raven
Hell Bent
The Magician’s Apprentice
The Witch’s Familiar

>Poor Tier
The Girl Who Died

>Bad Tier
The Woman Who Lived
Sleep No More

>>81610364
Good taste anon

Objective Series Ranking

Series 5
Series 4
Series 1
Series 3
Series 9
Series 7
Series 8
Series 6
Series 2

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Reminder that I met John Simm yesterday hahahaha

Fairly nice guy but he didn't say anything about Doctor Who when I asked him

Very quiet as well, almost like he didn't much want to speak to me

>>81610526
Not convincing at all, anon. Except for people avoiding contact with you.

>>81610526

Funny you should mention that.

I saw John Simm at a grocery store in Cardiff yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>81610364
Sleep No More is the only Doctor Who episode I've fallen asleep whilst watching BRAVO GATISS

>>81610512
What is this Series 4 is GOAT meme?

I know this woman at my work who is a big fan of Doctor Who. She is currently having a birthday this month and everyone at the office will be getting her something. The problem is she's transgender and I have no idea what to buy for this kind of person.

This is not a joke, this is not a copypasta, all I want are some suggestions and possibly ones that don't get me arrested or fired.

>Doctor: “What you’re standing in here is a technological marvel…”
>Bill: “Can I use the toilet?”

One more series till we get companions that speak like actual people again.

>>81610587

It's like watching a Marvel movie.

I've actually just done a rewatch of Capaldino ahead of tomorrow, and these are the definitive scores.

Deep Breath - 4/10
Into the Dalek - 6/10
Robots of Sherwood - 6/10
Listen - 9/10
Time Heist - 7/10
The Caretaker - 6/10
Kill the Moon - 2/10
Mummy on the Orient Express - 11/10
Flatline - 9/10
In the Forest of the Night - 6/10
Dark Water - 7/10
Death in Heaven - 5/10

Last Christmas - 8/10

The Magician's Apprentice - 9/10
The Witch's Familiar - 7/10
Under the Lake - 7/10
Before the Flood - 6/10
The Girl Who Died - 4/10
The Woman Who Lived - 1/10
The Zygon Invasion - 6/10
The Zygon Inversion - 7/10
Sleep No More - 3/10
Face the Raven - 7/10
Heaven Sent - 8/10
Hell Bent - 4/10

Husbands of River Song - 7/10
The Return of Doctor Mysterio - 5/10

>>81610564
Not all of the stories are perfect and the finale is utter shite but its a fun, adventure filled ride, has the perfect tone for Doctor Who and David and Catherine are brilliant together

>>81610582
A t-shirt with "Attention Seeking Cunt" on it.

>>81610265
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/10-teasers-for-doctor-who-the-pilot-83965.htm

>9. The opening credits remain unchanged, except the episode title is in a much bigger font. Matt Lucas retains his above-title billing; he is listed third, as “and Matt Lucas.”

>>81610637
that's not a teaser, that's a fucking spoiler

>>81610606
Heaven Sent is clearly bait
>The Magician's Apprentice
>That high
>The Witch's Familiar
>That low
>Mummy on the Orient Express
>That low

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/852887923275964417

What is the best opening theme and why is it the series 4 opening theme?

Correct scores

Deep Breath - 8/10
Into the Dalek - 5/10
Robots of Sherwood - 7/10
Listen - 10/10
Time Heist - 6/10
The Caretaker - 7/10
Kill the Moon - 5/10
Mummy on the Orient Express - 9/10
Flatline - 9/10
In the Forest of the Night - 4/10
Dark Water - 9/10
Death in Heaven - 5/10

Last Christmas - 8/10

The Magician's Apprentice - 6/10
The Witch's Familiar - 9/10
Under the Lake - 8/10
Before the Flood - 8/10
The Girl Who Died - 8/10
The Woman Who Lived - 6/10
The Zygon Invasion - 6/10
The Zygon Inversion - 7/10
Sleep No More - 4/10
Face the Raven - 7/10
Heaven Sent - 10/10
Hell Bent - 10/10

Husbands of River Song - 9/10
The Return of Doctor Mysterio - 6/10

>>81610637
Be prepared for virtually nothing of any worth happening in this ep.

>>81610582
https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIA0193T90377

cringey but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YXvBPRgeyg

>>81610680
>the titles are the same
>the font is bigger
>Matt Lucas is in it
Some of the others on the list are, but how is any of that a spoiler

>>81610764
opening title spoilers are a thing, anon

>>81610687
That volcano spooked Capaldi so hard, it caused his hair to grow out

>>81610697
Where has this Hell Bent is GOAT meme come from?

>>81610587

Going from reviews Bill is the most realistic companion from Moffat yet but yeah this line is not good.

>>81610697
>arrogant enough to call his opinion correct
>likes Hell Bent
What a coincidence!

>>81611022
Hell Bent haters are too beta to call their opinion correct. Only true alphas realize the kino in Hell Bent.

>>81609915
what country are you from?
Surely only a scot could be so caught up over something so trivial

>>81611150
Who /hellbentchad/ here?

>>81611150

The drop in quality from Heaven Sent to Hell Bent is only rivaled by The Caves of Androzani to The Twin Dilemma.

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>>81611187
Sorry you're not cool enough to understand it.

>>81611164
Only an american or a simple child would use the infantile term 'mad' in this context, anon.
Britons say 'angry' in the main.

>>81611319
read that post again, anon
at no point did I use the word "mad"

>>81611349
re-read and you might one day figure out he was answering your question, dumbass

>>81611187
>Genesis to Revenge
>City of Death to Creature
>Earthshock to Time-Flight
>Impossible Planet to Love and Monsters
>Flatline to Forest of Fots
Dr Who has a history of this

>>81611349
No, the 'other person' did. Read your 'conversation' again, anon.

>>81610582
Make-up desu?
Osgood scarf?

Reminder to not respond to someone calling you cats or cloister. Do not respond to obvious bait posts. Do not respond to posts that sperg out over grammar or word choice.

>>81610687
>https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/852887923275964417
>blatant pinko propaganda

4,339 views,did you do this /who/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3OIMqXKNds

>>81610582
Book her an appointment with a psychiatrist

>>81610687
It's actually important that the Doctor isn't
militaristic.
I like the Doctor 'cause he's an intellectual, not because he's anti-war, although wars are universally shit-shows.

>>81609526
dunno about you guys but i found this pretty hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3OIMqXKNds

>>81611502
>you

>>81611505
Show for 8 year olds.

>>81610697
WTF I 100% agree
great taste anon, glad to see another hell bent chad

>>81611643
Bored, kiddo?

Remember when everyone used to the current Doctor as The Doctor rather than their number? I think it started with the 50th. I don't remember everyone calling Ten 'Ten' during Tennant's era.

https://blogtorwho.com/doctor-who-the-pilot-spoiler-free-preview/
>The Pilot expertly walks the line between starting fresh while respecting the past. Callbacks, though frequent, are treated (appropriately enough) as Easter eggs.
More crowbarred-in fanservice
Also:
>Don’t miss Joy Division.
Based Moff

>>81611755
It's a "Whovian" thing

>>81610637
>listed third

Why? He's been a companion longer than Bill.

>>81611187
cobblers.
HB is a "white heat", odd summer day episode.

>>81610697
You're flattering Sleep No More. I've seen it 3 times now and I still couldn't tell you the plot. Easily the worst episode of New Who.

>>81611764
Joy Division are BASED.

>>81611508
>>81611642
Masterpiece!

>>81611764
I wouldn't trust Cameron to write a shopping list, desu.

>>81611764
I hope series 11's a proper reboot. No fan service at all. Sort of like series 5. Series 3 's quite low on it too till The Master and it's the best they've done.

>>81611921
Cameron doesn't own blogtor anymore. He sold it.

>>81612058
Yeah I know he had to drop his name from it after he fucked off Big Finish and many other people.

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>tfw hell bent chad

it was kino and the best finale.

>>81612142
>Hell Bent
>Good
LITERALLY ANY OTHER FINALE IS BETTER

>>81612142
It was one of the worst finales.

>>81612172
>>81612182
explain how its bad then
you cant

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04zs7j4
BASED MOFFKINO
GOLDEN AGE

BINRO?

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>>81612319
>Moffat
>kino

>>81612142
It's an okay episode. People's reasons for hating it are plebmode. Far from the best finale though.

>>81612507
name a better finale then
you cant

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>>81612467
>RTD hasn't even written 5 GOAT episodes

>>81612553
>Anon hasn't watched Parting, Doomsday, Journey's End, Big Bang, NotD or Death in Heaven

>>81612637
all of those are shit though

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>>81612637
A bunch of le end of the world deus ex machina episodes are better than hell bent?

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Leaked Sleep No More test screening footage.

>>81612702
>at least they were comfy

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>>81612637
>anything by RTD
>good

Uhhh, anon, /who/ is the anti-RTD circlejerk and they are going to tell you that everything he has ever produced in regards to Doctor Who has been shit

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>>81612810
>implying Hell Bent wasn't comfykino

>>81612810
don't post again until you understand when,what and why to properly green text ya noob

>>81612239
>Return of fucking Gallifrey
>Doctor burning with revenge
>Nah lets make this the Clara show instead and prove once and for all that Moffat can't handle any concequences
>also one of the most retarded things in Dr. Who next to dobby doctor (diner)

>>81612553
The Big Bang outclasses it in many ways, stronger dramatic momentum, stronger character storylines, fewer whiffed beats, more ambitious, tells more story in less time, the one thing it lacks is any scene like 12 and Clara about to use the mind wipe (hell bent's highlight)

>>81612948
Yeah, fuck them for not doing a big OTT epic action finale for the ninth time in a row.

>>81612987
>the doctor escapes the pandorica with a sonic fucking screwdriver
>amy reverses time somehow with no explanation
big bang was shit tier

Chan I've been attacking Hell Bent and pissing on Russell in the same thread Tho

>>81613068
I actually wanted a Doctor centric lore episode, couldn't give a shit about the explosions but the return of Gallifrey could and should have been a major event.

>>81613153
Do you even like Doctor Who?

>>81613242
Chan No Dr Who is shit Tho

>>81613242
Nobody likes Doctor Who

>>81613164
Why do people always get mad when the episode doesn't end up being consistent with their fanfiction?

>>81613084
Very intelligent objections which I'm sure you've thought very hard about. Now a reminder of everything that was great about it:
>Poetic return to The Eleventh Hour
>Rory's poignant choice to stay with the box and the bit where it seems like he died
>Dynamic adventure pacing and fun as the team slowly gets back together
>The stakes are made clear by the distortions of reality and sunlight over the course of the ep, things disappearing
>Plot devices set up, logic explained clearly
>GOAT scene where 11 finally reveals to Amy that her family was erased
>Even when it looks like it's over there's still the GOAT rewind sequence to come
>Beautiful scene with 11 reminiscing on his time doubles as clever as fuck secret message
>Amy sticks up for what she believed in and is rewarded (if you hate this scene you might have brain problems)
>Comfiest finale ending ever
It's like a non stop train of good content

I scream

Ice cream

Ass cream

>>81613551
Word. Apart from what I'm personally fine with, but what others might call a cop-out resolution to The Pandorica Opens cliffhanger (which was inevitable considering Moffat wrote himself into the mother of all corners), The Big Bang is GOAT

Best Moffat scene.

https://youtu.be/y6AvqgiFbIU

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Fucking 'ell Doctor Who is on tomorrow lads get hype

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>>81612142
As a Clara fan I have to agree.

>>81613722
That's pretty good, but I liked this one, as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFSyHBVxDQ

cant wait fort he new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE45UQkCVbM

>>81613772
I could fill a coke can with the amount of nuts I have bust just to this picture.

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The top most frustrating thing that comes from Youtube/Facebook comments is how Moffat Who is too 'kiddish' or 'childish'. Can someone please explain the thoughts behind this plebish opinion?

>>81613789
>those rings under the eyes
this really was an awesome scene, and story

best RTD scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuV_PGG9EU

>>81614029
Nostalgia blinds them from realizing that RTD Who was just as childish.

>>81614029
Nostalgia about RTD, they probably remember his stuff as being super spooky and dark because they were kids when they watched it

>>81614029
Some of the pleb's defining traits are the inability to see full context, viewing reality in isolated snapshots, and unawareness of their own subjectivity. They probably don't remember jack shit about the supposedly more adult Tennant era. But if they see something from Moffat out of context that sets off their goofy alarm, they extrapolate that into a total argument about the show that explains why it doesn't tickle their Tennant hype bone.

>>81614029
They grew up and what was once perfectly acceptable is now childish and lame.
It didn't help that 11 being more on the spectrum than usual was one of the few things from that era that seeped into general pop culture knowledge
Of course we know there was more to his role, but to an outsider and even some casual fans, all they know is lol fish fingers and custard bowties are cool xD

I dont think that the show is childish or whatever, I didnt like current era for two reasons

1) Clara was a mistake. On many levels.
2) Moffat gimmicks arent working very well on Capaldi. We needed a comic relief character (read: Nardole) way before.

>>81614555
>We needed a comic relief character
The 11th Doctor was a comic relief character

>>81614659
I agree.
I'm talking about series 8 and 9, sorry if it wasn't very clear from my post.

>>81612810
I told you guys all the RTDfags were new. You didn't believe me. But here's proof

>>81614029

You can't win, some people are saying it's too dark now, others too childish.

Also I saw someone earlier complaining that they won't watch the emojibot episode (they will) because it's too childish and that emoji's will date the show in a few years.

Yeah it's not like farting aliens are childish, or having references to Big Brother, The Weakest Link, Trinny and Susanna and various pop songs dated the RTD era. And I say this as an RTD fan.

SIMM TEASER TOMORROW GET HYPE!!!!!

>>81614866
That's an absurd complaint anyway, the word 'emoji' will date but the concept of smilies clearly won't for a long time. In fact I read FCB talking about the episode and that's part of why he chose it, the idea of a universal human language that could persist into the far future.

DEAD AND DECAPITATED BUT THAT'S CHRISTMAS WHEN YOU'RE A TURKEY

>>81614941
>>81614866
I agree. People complaining about emoji robots are the most pathetic autists I've ever seen in my entire life. Unironically.

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Will we ever get a female Doctor who is not a "strong female character" like feminists demand but someone who is occasionally a genius occasionally a flawed vulnearble character? You know, like the Doctor usually is when he's male.

>>81614941
FCB episodes have an optimistic tone to them desu.

>>81615018
Chibs can do it. His female characters in broadchurch are nicely developed and feel like real people.

>>81615018
Maybe, I mean they got Missy right. I still view Missy as being a man, just in female form. That means Gomez and Moffat did the character justice. Gomez is literally my second favourite Master after Delgado.

>>81613164
Gallifrey fucking sucks and it being lost in a Time War since 2005 doesn't change that. Bringing it back only to have the Time Lords piss the Doctor off again was the best thing they could have done with it.

>>81614201
PIGGY
PILOT

>>81615018
I doubt straw feminist rhetoric that's like a decade out of date will be too much of a problem for them

Would you let Michelle Gomez torture and dominate you /who/?

>>81615119
>Star WARS
>EMPOWERED FEMALES

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>>81615130
I'd give her a foot massage if she asked.

What time does Doctor Who air in Britain? 7:20 pm?

>>81616267
Yep
25 hours and 20 minutes to go

>>81616267
Yes

Anyone doing a Doctor Mysterio live stream tomorrow?

>>81616570
As if I would ever want to watch that again.

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Reminder that Peter Capaldi is on Graham Norton today at 5:30 PM US time, 10:30 PM UK Time depending on what timezone you're in

find a BBC livestream or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6XmcR3_QQ&t=0s

>>81616647
cytube /r/casualwhostream

we will be live streaming graham norton

>>81616612
I'm not saying it's any good but I did want to do a full Capaldi marathon but ran out of time. Could manage one episode.

>>81616759
>This channel is not available in your region yet
fuck

>>81616809
lmao

here's a BBC stream, Pointless is on

http://www.streamgaroo.com/tv-stream/united-kingdom/bbc-1-live-stream

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>>81616947
>tfw Pointless is on before Doctor Who
>no more Shitly Come Dancing

>>81617087
Who remembers that fucking rabbit tv show? Which series was that?

>>81617111
It was a hare you pleb

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>>81617111
Don't Scare The Hare? 6 ithink

>>81617221
Now THAT was the golden age of /who/

>>81617111
Don't Scare The Hare

>>81617111
I still can't believe they aired that on primetime BBC1

>>81617259
They aired Jim'll Fix It and It's A Knockout.

>>81617111
Don't Scare the Hare was GOAT

>>81617087
Pointless seems like a great game

I'm rewatching Death in Heaven.
Last time I rated it quite low.
But youtube suggested me final scene where Missy reveals that's the army for Doctor and I thought this scene was pretty good.

>>81616947
>these people can't name a track off "Caustic Love" or "In The Lonely Hour"

for fuck's sake

>Scream (Funk My Life Up)
>fucking Stay With Me, I'm Not The Only One, Lay Me Down

and they got fucking Cassy O'?

where's my money

>>81617221
I just realised I completely forgot about Jason Bradbury and The Gadget Show
I'm really surprised it's still around

>>81617251
>tfw posting this made me realise I've been posting in /who/ for at least 6 years

hold me

>>81617416
Never even heard of the albums tbqh

>>81617251
Good times
>>81617481
I have an unnatural urge to break his spectacles

>>81617592
hey leave moby alone

CLASS
Why did it suck?

FUCKING GOAT

https://youtu.be/ZvTSPUfn2-Y

>>81617666
I want to take him down to the southside and see if we're all made of stars.

>>81617727
No originality and bad acting.

>>81616647
Do they want anyone tuning in for the Doctor Who bits tonight? That's the juiciest part of the interview right there

>>81617732
That's actually pretty good.

>>81617851
I'm interested in seeing if Graham brings up Hotel! which both Keeley and Peter were in with McGann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSOi1kV0hjA

>>81609877
A mirror

>>81617727
Very mismatched cast and premise - designated main characters have no skill to actually do anything and most of the time have to stand helplessly as the crisis resolves itself. Bad writing. Pretty shitty main antagonist (Though some of their philososophy was actually interesting, they ultimately amounted to the orcest of orcs). Also, lots of rushed plot points, like Ram and April hookup.

>>81617933
The only canon TV movie

Look at Miranda Hart, hanging on his every word.
Watch her face, and how worried she looks at 1:22
The way she nods, as if she's taking mental notes.
She's the 13th Doctor

>>81618151
It's not even broadcast yet
great bait

>>81618224
Not the anon you responded to but as you can see there's a bit of it previewed already on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6XmcR3_QQ&t=0s

>>81618224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6XmcR3_QQ
I was baiting though of course

>>81617732
goat

>>81618151

Nah, Keeley is.

Doctor Who wallpaper thread. Dump what you have.
>>>/wg/6894458

>>81618766
http://imgur.com/a/mRspe
http://imgur.com/a/jf8fW
Some from my old collection.
Post at will, if wished.

>24 hours

>>81610133
No, fuck off

uproxx com/hitfix/moffat-minchin-doctor-who-interview/

Why are who fans so negative?

>>81619621
Because Doctor Who is shit

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>>81609732
It's all hearsay and speculation (like this >>81609932) but the running joke is that he bangs his producers then erases them, since Caroline was the third.

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>>81619051

>>81619756
Well Beth and Piers moved onto other things. But Caroline has done fuck all so I'd say she was erased and the other two decided to pursue new things

>>81619756
Christ I'm surprised the 50th was as good as it was in 2013's clusterfuck

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>>81619833
Beth a cute. I hope she didn't get erased.

>>81619621
Doctor Who has a lot of flaws, objectively. It's also more diverse than most shows, so people are less likely to just leave if it's outside their preferences, because it isn't consistently outside.

People are also more likely to speak up when they are dissatisfied. Just because you see negativity, doesn't mean any given commenter hates everything, the same way any given hospital visitor is not having prostate cancer and pregnancy just because the hospital has oncology and maternity wards.

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>>81619800

I guess non-UK viewers can't watch Graham Norton in the cytube stream :(

have fun lads..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDo1FjMOjDM

>>81620015
UUUU

http://www.streamgaroo.com/tv-stream/united-kingdom/bbc-1-live-stream

>>81620065
I know, thank you. Just wanted to watch it with the lads.

>>81619506
>moffat confirmed 13
Are you being consulted at all on the selection of the new Doctor? Curious if you think the time is right right now for a diverse pick of the Doctor. With the global reach of the show, where it is right now, where it’s just exploded over the last few years — that could be a really good thing. What do you think on that?

Moffat: Well, I absolutely have zero input on who the new Doctor is and I don’t want any input. I want to see Chris’s Doctor.

Well, as a fan, though. As a fan, what do you want to see?

Moffat: I want the best possible person to play the Doctor. That’s it. That’s it. The person who makes everybody look at them. There is a slight… I mean it ain’t gonna change the world, it’s just gonna save the fictional one. That’s what it’s gonna do. So, it’s a debate I’ve mostly stayed away from because I have never found a way to be quoted accurately on the subject. People just reframe my words, mash them up, turn them around to make it sound as though I’m saying something else.

Now, I’ll just be really clear: casting is the most important job in television. I think it’s what makes the difference between a huge hit and a huge failure. I’ll give you the entire priority list for casting. I’ll give it to you now and you can remember it. You can even write it down if you want. Cast the right person. That’s it. That’s it. That’s all you do. Nothing else.

I have absolute confidence, complete and total ringing confidence that Chris Chibnall will do that. He will choose the person with whom he wants to collaborate to create a new Doctor and that’s what I want him to do. I don’t want input. I’ll find out with the rest of you because it’s about him now.

>>81620162
You can open a second instance of your browser with working stream and hover it over cytube stream

Watching Simm Kino in prep for tommorow.

>>81620815
What are the odds he actually turns up in The Pilot? I'm expecting maybe three seconds of footage at the end of the post-episode trailer

I only come here on season so feel free to disregard my opinion. Why do you people like series 9 more than series 8? Aside from HS every other episode goes from "forgettable" to "all over the fucking place"

>>81621127
I don't know that I do, necessarily; I feel like S8 is probably more consistent quality overall, but Heaven Sent is a higher peak than anything in it. Some people really disliked Danny Pink though.

>>81621127
I associate both series with a kind of drab atmosphere. Probably the cinematography, which I think series 9 improved upon a little bit in some episodes. Most of the episodes left me quite disappointed.. Series 10 looks really great though.

apparently the new doctor is someone from Poldark

>>81621613
Aiden turner? Finally the irish doctor??

>>81614029
RTD's Who was a more soap opera than space opera. It was about authentic human emotions and experiences - relationships were realistic and relatable. Alien villains had recognisable motives.The characters were well-rounded and multi-faceted, and the plots were usually grounded in some kind of relevant theme - the cybermen became about over-reliance on technology and the speculative singularity, the daleks were back to preaching racial purity, the oods represented real-world colonialism and slavery - even when a monster wasn't about some culturally or politically relevant theme, it generally had some human message. For all his grandiosity and narcissism, the Master is depicted as a traumatised child, a rebellious, truculent son of Gallifrey, acting out to spite his keepers.

RTD was, in some ways, more invested in the human drama than he was the science fiction. That came with its own problems, but it also meant that people who weren't invested in reality bombs, or paradox machines, or nanoplagues could enjoy the show for the everyday, domestic, ordinary observations - the character comedy, the humanity of the show.

Moffat's stuff jettisoned characters and replaced them with caricatures - or, more generously, archetypes. This was part of his project - Doctor Who was a "fairy tale". His Doctor became a "mad old buffer" who was largely stripped of nuance and subtlety. He became a children's cartoon character. The companions were half-baked and under-developed - they were little more than ciphers, reduced to their narrative function, lacking any real depth or complexity. The monsters, too, shifted from being loosely modelled on real-life issues - fascism, racism, colonialism, technology, scientific ethics - to being modelled on childhood phobias. Things that were scary as a child - the dark, statues, masks, unseen things living under the bed - are given an original twist. The problem is, childhood nightmares are not going to be scary to parents or adults.

>>81621799
I AGREE SO MUCH
IM GOING TO SAVE THIS POST
THANK YOU!!!

>>81614029
I feel like Moffat lost a lot of sincerity compared to RTD. He doesn't take his show seriously at all, he just use it as an exercise to metafictionally mock itself, its audience and its core tropes. Series 8 was the one time it seemed to have some sincerity to it.

Not that I'm RTD fan either.

Kek. /R/ Gallifrey still thinks the War Chief was the Master.

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Was this the only good Doctor Who game?

>>81621799
In other words...Doctor Who is fine, you just grew up.

Why does Planet Mondas hate nuwho?

>>81622250
Because he pretty much is desu.

>>81621677

Not if this is anything to go by http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-05-28/aidan-turner-doesnt-want-to-play-doctor-who--but-he-knows-who-should

>>81621799
I've heard it characterised as the following -

"RTD's Who was a show for adults pretending to be a show for kids. Moffat's Who is a show for kids pretending to be a show for adults".

The slick production values and cinematographic flare can't disguise the shallow, superficial nature of the scripts. It's not a show that's interested in science fiction as speculative fiction, nor a show that's interested in human drama.

Amy's child is kidnapped and she herself is rendered sterile. This is apparently remedied by having a sassy black bestie showing up in their childhood. Neither Amy or Rory got to experience parenthood, and they suffered a horrendous, traumatic loss. It should have been a horror story. It was dismissed glibly as a comedy.

Amy and Clara's families are little more than set dressing. The characters themselves have no inner or outer lives, no hopes, dreams, fears, aspirations or ambitions before the Doctor shows up, or even after - though this was something that was remedied to an extent under Peter Capaldi. Their relationships are unrelatable because they are so unrealistic - so "fairy tale". Rory is the "Boy Who Waited", who's only discernible, desirable quality is his capacity to absorb Amy's total neglect and abuse without complaint. He's "The Boy Who Waited", and nothing else - waiting is all he does. That's what's supposed to make him a deserving partner for Amy - because he sticks around.

I worry, sometimes, that I'm too harsh on Moffat - his concept-driven story-telling isn't necessarily an evil, and when it's done right, it can work well. I can appreciate Listen and Heaven Sent for what they are, even if I personally dislike them.

The problem is, though, that whatever its positives, the show is no longer a family show, because there is very little to interest thinking adults. Moffat's idea of "mature" content is Carry-On smutty sauciness. He thinks an innuendo is all the emotional and intellectual stimulation adult's need.

>>81621799
>His Doctor became a "mad old buffer" who was largely stripped of nuance and subtlety.
The 11th and 12th Doctors both have much more nuance and subtlety than the 10th. In fact (this isn't necessarily a criticism), I don't think there's anything about 10 that could be described as subtle.

>>81622278
Well, no, not really. I can rewatch RTD Who and enjoy it as an adult in a different way to when I enjoyed it as a kid. It's still an intelligent show tackling interesting themes and bringing a much-needed tough of humanity and depth to science-fiction - very few shows are its equal in this regard. I know people like Donna's mum and Jackie Tyler in real life. I've met Wilfs and Mickeys and Marthas. I've never met an Amy Pond or a Rory.

I can't enjoy Moffat Who as an adult in the same way for these reasons - there's nothing to get my teeth into. I'm not enriched by it, I don't engage with it emotionally because there's nothing to engage with.

>>81621799

I agree with most of your analysis. I think you're right about ETD.

Except that I think Clara was one of the most morally complex character so far. Clara's desire for both a stable life and adventure, led her to lie to herself and the Doctor, and her ensuing grief, and desire for the life of a hero, led to her death. A death that was both hubristic, and utterly self-sacrificially selfless. And then, in the Doctor's darkest moment, she proved how much of a friend she was, and how devoted she was to the Doctor--by letting him go.

You can say you dislike Moffat's characters. But to say they have no depth is inaccurate.

Oh no, it's this faggot again.

>>81622395
Lost me at "thinking adults"
Plenty of these eps give me food for thought, stop being an elitist tit.

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>>81621799
>>81622395
Moffat BTFO

>>81622539
>>81622572
>stop having opinion that is different from mine

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>>81614029
As someone who shares that opinion I'll explain where I'm coming from.

I think Moffat is a very creative writer, I recently re watched his older stuff and was blown away by it, he really excelled at creepiness and inventive story ideas. And his reboot of the series in 2010 was a step in the right direction IMO, I preferred a step away from RTDs domestic angle.

However Moffats episodes and the show in general has been lacking in genuine stakes, Moffat retconned the time war, and he ruined Claras death by keeping her in suspended immortality for potentially forever, without any repurcussions, compared to DWs general message of "You can't cheat death" and "Don't selfishly mess with time" Moffats DW instead says "You should cheat death and fuck with time, fuck the consequences".

Also there is no tension in current Who, the enemies are too weak and the protagonists are too powerful, in Rusty's era, the Daleks at least felt like genuine threats, they felt like when they were on screen, our protagonists were in real peril, and in every story they racked up a massive death toll, now they feel a lot more like cannon fodder, WF at least made them more threatening but they still felt boring to watch.

When the Doctor outsmarts his enemies, he's meant to learn about the crisis he's embroiled in and come up with a solution, but in Moffats nuwho more and more it seems as though he's already come up with the solution and he's waiting for the plot to resolve itself, there was a really good greentext on Sherlock that summaries this omniscience bullshit Moffat pulls. For example, in MA/WF, the Doctor consoles Davros over his death, then it turns out he trapped the Doctor in order to steal his life force, then it turns out the Doctor knew all along what Davros was up to and tricked him into stealing too much energy, essentially throughout the entire story nothing was at stake because the Doctor had essentially already won, this makes for bland, safe television.

>>81622439
I disagree, but I'd be interested to hear how you characterise that subtlety.

Tennant's Doctor, on the surface, is a bon vivant, charming, witty, whimsical; superficially, a romantic swashbuckler. But his self-regard is a major flaw. He's hubristic, narcisstic, and self-righteous, something that lends him a cruelty and malice not usually seen in the Doctors. Yet, for all his cruelty, for all his confidence, he's also lonely and vulnerable - and his cruelty is borne, to an extent, from compassion. He suffers when others suffer - he cares, he genuinely cares for their pain, which is what's lent him such a tyrannical streak in the second and third series. By the fourth, he's had to come to terms with the damage he does to other people, and, to an extent, he's been able to grieve the Time Lords through the Master's passing.

I do actually think the 11th and 12th have some subtlety - just not in any of Moffat's episodes. Amy's Choice, the Girl Who Waited, the God Complex all really tear down a Doctor who's been exposed, to an extent, for a sham - if there's one thing that drives 11, it's guilt and self-loathing - but only in those episodes. In the next series finale, he's gone back to being a gurning, grinning, wacky spastic.

>>81622439
True, 10 (and RTD's whole era really) is based on the near absence of subtext or ambiguity whereas 11 and 12 are a lot more guarded about what's going on inside them psychologically.

Capaldi's ep rankings (Great, Good, OK, Meh/Shit)


Deep Breath - Good
Into the Dalek - Good
Robots of Sherwood - OK
Listen - Great
Time Heist - OK
The Caretaker - Good
Kill the Moon - Meh
Mummy on the Orient Express - Great
Flatline - Great
In the Forest of the Night - Meh
Dark Water - Great
Death in Heaven - Good

Last Christmas - OK

The Magician's Apprentice - Good
The Witch's Familiar - OK
Under the Lake - Good
Before the Flood - Good
The Girl Who Died - OK
The Woman Who Lived - Meh
The Zygon Invasion - OK
The Zygon Inversion - OK
Sleep No More - Meh
Face the Raven - Good
Heaven Sent - Great
Hell Bent - OK

Husbands Good (Overall, 2nd half is Great)
Mysterio Good

>>81622703
No, just try to find positives and stop looking for issues, you'll find them in fucking everything, even things you deem superior

Doctor Who fans ultimately tire of the show, they outgrow it, but they refuse to admit maybe their aging is the problem, and blame the show for all the different things it tries for their disillusions. Fucking thing is for kids, you're not a kid anymore. That's it.

>>81622870
I'll just say you are incorrect, dont think I can want to argue with you.

>>81622521
Same poster you're replying to, and I think you're right - at least, post-Matt Smith. It's one of the weird, uncomfortable inconsistencies of the show under Moffat that Clara suddenly manifests a personality in series 8. She's gone from blank slate to "bossy control freak" - something we have to be told, because it's not really shown until much later. I really like her relationship with Danny Pink - but I suspect I like it for very different reasons to Moffat. Danny himself is a controlling, domineering, abusive boyfriend. That would be great if it was more explicitly connected to his PTSD, but the show isn't quite successful in that regard. Nevertheless, when Capaldi took over, I started enjoying the show a lot more.

>>81622257
>couldn't be bothered to do colins technicolour dreamcoat

>>81622870
As I said, as an adult I can enjoy RTD Who. I can't enjoy Moffat's. Aging is a factor, definitely, in my enjoyment of Moffat and RTD - but whereas I find new things to enjoy in RTD's stuff, I find much more to dislike in Moffat. He's not a write-off, I'm just offering an argument in support of the idea that Moffat's Who is a show for kids.

>>81622969
And I'm saying there's nothhigg wrong in being a show for kids. Especially when most adult shite I watch is'nt particularly interesting.

>>81623025
That's a shame. What adult shite are you watching? Have you tried watching something other than shite? I have recommendations, if you're interested.

>>81623118
I have Netlfix, but most of the drams I'm recommended turns out to be overrated musk for edgelords. I don't even like the Marvel shows.

Black Mirror's better than Moffat Who mind

>>81622898
Because you can't. I'm the one still enjoying DW and you're not. My victory.

>>81623292
I'm happy for you.

>>81622715
>DWs general message of "You can't cheat death" and "Don't selfishly mess with time"
Yeah, because teaching children not to mess with time travel is clearly a moral imperative.

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where do I start with this show?

>>81623402
You don't. You can hate it without watching.

Or start with Rose.

>>81623025
The problem isn't it being a kids show -- classic who was made largely for children, and it still regularly allowed for high concept ideas and compelling storytelling. It all comes back to the root problem of Moffat Who just not being very good. When you break it down, there's not much of a difference between bad children programing, and bad adult programing.

>>81623402
The Eleventh Hour is the consensus starting point.

>>81622715
Yeah, the Doctor's invincibility makes it impossible to care about anything that happens any more. He doesn't grow or learn or change any more, and there's a marked lack of mercy or pity. He seems to get off to humiliating and defeating his enemies, given by the number of speeches he gives about how great he is and how everybody should be afraid of him.

Moffat's Doctor seems to be written to satisfy his pubescent revenge fantasies - I've made that accusation before, and I think it holds up. Moffat's Doctor is worshipped, adored, constantly validated for his very-very-cleverness, and, apparently, somebody who's slept with every MILF in the universe. He's not just omniscient, but omnipotent too. He's a self-insert power fantasy.

Ultimately, the Doctors can be defined by their catch phrases.

Ten's were "Brilliant!", "Allons-y!", but most importantly, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry". They say volumes about his love and enthusiasm for the universe, his energy and vigour, but most importantly, his compassion.

Eleven's catchphrase was "Bowties are cool" - something just as superficial and shallow as the caricature he became.

>>81623392
>you can't cheat death
how is that even the general message of pre-moffat who, when one of the core features of the show is regeneration?

>>81623402
From An Unearthly Child to The War Games.

Everything after that is indisputably non canon.

>>81623449
>it still regularly allowed for high concept ideas
I'm not sure you know what that term means. Most great Doctor Who stories are not high-concept.

>>81623472
RTD heavily treated regeneration as a death

>>81623457
Rose is a much better starting point than The Eleventh Hour. Not a better episode, just a better starting point.

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>>81623472
Also,
>not being a transhumanist
>in 2017

>>81623500
but in the stolen earth ten didn't just cheat death, he cheated regeneration

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>>81623402
Rose.
Don't follow those memefans saying to start with Matt Smith or something like that.

>>81623547
But in the end he died
He was scared as fuk in end of time

>>81623506
>Not a better episode, just a better starting point.
The difference between those two things is not as big as some fans tend to think. A lot of normies who'd switch off five minutes into Rose, not being acclimated to the level of camp, soap opera histronics, bad effects, and poor cinematography, could potentially get hooked by series 5.

>>81623207
>Black Mirror's better than Moffat Who mind

Yes it is. Most of netflix stuff is trash, to be honest. Orange is the New Black is pretty great, but it can get also get very preachy - probably their best show. I'd recommend trying HBO's back catalogue. Their modern stuff is hit and miss - shit like Game of Thrones is really trashy and shallow, but The Sopranos, Six Feet Under and the Wire are some of the best stuff I've ever seen in any medium. If all that's a little too heavy, give Fargo or Twin Peaks a shot. They're dark and strange and funny and moving, and both are high concept enough that they won't test your attention span (not an aspersion, but what I mean is they're shows that qualify as quality drama AND escapism).

>>81623402
Watch the pilot episode and stop, everything else is officially non canon

>>81623402
Start with "The Pilot," which airs tomorrow night at 7:20pm BST, 2:20 EST

>>81623402
With the upcoming series; it starts tomorrow with an episode called "The Pilot". Literally designed as a jumping-on point.

>>81623500
I never had a problem with this. I know a lot of people did, and with good reason - but I think regeneration -needs- to be treated as something momentous and cataclysmic.

>>81623590
good point, was thinking more about how series 1 gradually tells you what you need to know while the eleventh hour expects some level of knowledge. I guess it's not really that important though, I can definitely see more people switching off Rose than The Eleventh Hour.

>butthurt 25%er boardie samefags new to /who/ to justify shit taste
Get the full scoop at 11!

>>81623642
Don't they say that every series?

>>81623590
What's even the point in watching Doctor Who if you can't handle it at its worst? It's at its worst most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isCh7GrF62c

>>81623392
But teaching them to accept death is a moral imperative, one say their relatives will die for real, and they will need to deal with that.

>>81623597
I used to watch Six Feet Under quite religiously.
Twin Peaks I've seen some of...including how the Palmer murder was resolved. Intense.

NEW THREAD
>>81623709
>>81623709
>>81623709

>>81621799
>His Doctor became a "mad old buffer" who was largely stripped of nuance and subtlety.

10 was the least subtle Doctor though. Every one of Tennant's scenes would be improved if they were given to someone else, rather than having him there gurning and breathing heavily while he pores over his woes like an angsty teen. And that was as much RTD's fault as it was Tennant's. It was RTD who shoehorned in all the "muh Rose" whining. RTD invented the Time War guilt, a neat little tool for the Doctor to pull out whenever he needed to make some rousing speech. It was a lot better under 9, but that's because 9's Time War speeches mostly came from other writers, e.g. Shearman (Dalek) or the infamous "Everybody lives!" moment written by Moffat. Once you get to Series 2, RTD handles more of these speeches and the Time War gets old quick. Moffat made the right decision in ignoring it through most of his era.

>The companions were half-baked and under-developed - they were little more than ciphers, reduced to their narrative function, lacking any real depth or complexity.

Let me guess, you're going to cite Clara as one of these "half-baked" companions? Series 8 and 9 are Rose's arc done right. The whole point of Series 2 was to show Rose becoming more arrogant and Doctorlike as she travelled in the TARDIS, culminating in her comeuppance as she is locked in the alternate universe "forever". But Billie Piper didn't have the acting skills to back that up - not to mention the absolutely appalling writing at the end of the Series.

>>81623490
"Regularly" was probably a somewhat inappropriate word, but the earlier Hartnell through early Baker years excelled at taking succinct concepts and fleshing them out over a serial.

>>81623848

Well, I disagree about 10, as said above here
>>81622771
and as yet nobody's said exactly why 11 and 12 are more subtle.

Is there anything particularly subtle about 12 asking Clara "am I a good man?" in episode 2 of his tenure - the theme that defined his entire run? I'd say no, particularly. And what did the arc amount to? "I an not a good man! I'm not a bad man, either! I'm just...an idiot!"

So we had a whole arc that went nowhere, because ultimately it took us right back to "mad old buffer".

The thing is, Ten felt guilt and pain and loss over the Time War. When he pulled out a Time War speech - and I can only really remember Runaway Bride's "Gallifrey" speech for that actual example - he didn't do so triumphantly, like 11's constant crowing. He did it with a sense of gravity and grief. And why shouldn't Ten have woes? I'd imagine after 900 years of loss and sacrifice, I'd start to become bitter and resentful myself. That was a logical consequence of the Doctor's lifestyle, and the fact that you didn't like him because of it doesn't actually mean it didn't make sense, or it didn't make for good drama.

>Let me guess, you're going to cite Clara as one of these "half-baked" companions?

In her initial appearances, yes. She was clearly ill-conceived and developed. She was the "Impossible Girl" and nothing else. Just another quirky, quippy, sassy, feisty, kooky cipher like Amy. She GOT a personality, eventually, but her family or life beyond the Doctor didn't extend beyond dating Danny Pink. She was half-baked, in the sense that only half the character was ever considered or written.

And as for acting skills, I think that's ultimately going to be subjective. I don't personally rate Jenna Coleman, I found her "I am the Doctor" speech at the beginning of Death in Heaven a crystallised example of why she's so poor in the role - she can only deliver lines in a single tone or register. She can't colour her performance with the emotion of the scene.

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