>“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they

>mumbling to yourself
What's his endgame

I'm an atheist, yet I can seemingly empathize with Jesus.

Every time I watch "The Passion of the Christ," I cry on Jesus's behalf, and it never fails. It's like his story however true, or untrue, is sad to the core, and what they did to him was wrong.

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>>81571451
Your salvation, so show some respect.

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>>81571397
REDS IN BEACE GEEZUS :DDDD

>>81571473
That's because Jesus is essentially The Golden Rule. It's an idea that predates Jesus. You can find it in Buddhism.

It's common sense, treat others as you would be treated.

The church(s) is responsible for executions over superstition and proscribing bad advice for billions of people.

>>81571397

It's "They know not what they do", you fucking plebian

>>81571473
It's because he was ultimately just some dude who said people should be nice to one another.

>>81571473
As a fedora myself I still can't empathize here. I guess I struggle understanding the situation. Jesus is the son of God but also God himself. Everything that happens in Jesus' life is God's plan, literally every detail is crucial to humanity's salvation down to the resurrection.

So outside of watching a person get tortured to death, the plot of the Gospels leaves little to empathize with.

>>81571473
>letting his emotions based on film characters mold his perspective

Pleb

>>81571397
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yep, that's me. I guess you're wondering how I got into this situation.
*cut to a shot of young jesus walking the halls of his high school*
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOR5gvQwDI starts playing*

>>81571478
>his dad creates all humans as sinners
>his dad demands that humans spend their lives begging to be forgiven for the sins he gave them
>sends his son to Earth to die for the sins that he gave all humans
>"but dad don't wanna die"
>dad lets him die in the most horrible way
>Jesus died to forgive all human sins
>his dad now demands that all humans spend their lives begging him AND his son for forgiveness of the sins he gave them and the sins his son died for

You can't make this shit up. Oh wait, this shit is made up.

>inb4 2edgy

>>81571578

He didn't create humans as sinners anon, that bitch Eve fucked everything up.

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>>81571578
why do the atheists forget the incredibly and uplifting end of the greatest story ever told?

>jesus dies
>jesus rises from the dead
>he goes and speaks to his disciples, then tells them to meet him. somewhere. i'm not going to google it.
>they go to this place, he is there!
>says some shit about preparing a place in his father's kingdom
>bam, back to home planet

it's pretty great

>>81571628

I would imagine they leave that part out because they know they will be damned.

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>>81571628
>>81571646
>If Jesus was resurrected then where is he?
Uhhh... well Jesus went back to his home planet.

>>81571664

I will pray for you, anon.

>>81571664
he went to heaven obviously

the point is he will come again

any day now

When is Mel Gibson going to make a film about the dark age of Christianity when Jesus had died and they were all being persecuted?

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Is this crossover ever going to happen? It should

Also, fedora-tipping atheists are not allowed in this thread, get your nihilism and shove it up your ass, along with your fedora, your katana and your keyboard, and before you start typing a really drawn out response while you tip your fedora, consider suicide.

>>81571700
You don't know what nihilism is.Stop saying it.

>>81571696
>"he went to heaven obviously. the point is he will come again. any day now." - anonymous follower of jesus, 33 AD

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>>81571732
And you don't know what is replying without tipping your fedora, back to r/atheism with you

Daily reminder that Jesus was black.
>prone to violence
>convicted criminal
>his father basically impregnated a woman and then fucked off
>never held a job and just hung around with his "followers" all day

>>81571802
>never held a job
He was a carpenter before finding fame!

Just like Harrison Ford

>>81571802
The portal to heaven is located somewhere in the caucus mountains, heathen.

>>81571818
I'm sorry.
>working in a dead end job
Still sounds rather niggerish.

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>>81571397
I love how the Jewish Expanded Universe is literally the religion of choice for /pol/

>>81571541
>So outside of watching a person get tortured to death, the plot of the Gospels leaves little to empathize with

The crucifixion is the whole fucking point. If you can't empathize with a guy being tortured to death for telling people to be good to each other, then I don't really know what to tell you.

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>And god hardened his heart

>>81571537
No it's because he claimed to be the Son of God and the Jews were like who the fuck does this guy think he is

Socrates had a more compelling death in a similar vien long before Jesus.

>>81571965
The jews are responsible right?

The crowd turned against Jesus and set the murdered free instead

Jews were probably agitating the group

>>81572050
Do you think it's supposed to be a competition or something?

>>81572150
>My main role model had a way cooler death fag, and at least he was real *tips fedora* also wubba lubba wub wub shit on the floor get schwifty

>>81572098
I haven't seen the movie in a while but that sounds right.

I remember the movie sparked a controversy when it came out because it made the jews look pretty bad.

>>81571473
I think everyone can empathise with the human story of Jesus, Luke and Matthew especially get across the whole humiliation and degradation of him really well. It's a dude getting mocked, beaten up, and executed for preaching what he thought was right.

The divine aspect is what non-Christians don't relate to. Understandably because the whole thing is ridiculously fetishized in Christian art.

>>81572239
>I remember the movie sparked a controversy when it came out because it made the jews look pretty bad.
well they conspired to kill/have murdered the son of god on earth, that's about as bad as it gets

>>81571397
lol what a pussy

>>81572268
The jews love to focus on the sins of the goyim, but reel and squirm when their own are exposed.

>>81572376
>exposed
Do they even believe that shit?Their shit literally came first.

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>>81571578

>>81572231
>get schwifty
Man theres a lot of shitty writing examples that could be pointed out in the first episode of rick and morty.Why might it be that this is the only one people mention?Seriously every line of dialogue the dad, or mom has is shitty.

>>81572376
Early persecution of Christianity was carried out by Jews. Just read the Acts, Christians were hunted down and killed by Jews long before romans started doing it.

>>81572457>>81572231

"this" meaning the god isn't real comment

>>81572449
>he owns a neck beard

Jesus I can smell the doritos he keeps in his fedora from here.

>>81571628
why did you leave out jesus's 3 days in super hell where he had to bear the sins of all of humanity future and past?

>>81572401
>Do they even believe that shit?Their shit literally came first

what are you trying to say?

>>81572583
Do Jews even consider jesus god/the son of god?If not, and they are right, then what does it matter?I'd assume from a Jews perspective they did nothing wrong, and didn't do anything.

>>81572566
*god flashsteps behind jesus* Nothing personal, son

>>81572643
>Do Jews even consider jesus god/the son of god?
Of course not.

>then what does it matter?
They demanded that a man be brutally tortured and killed for disagreeing with them.

>I'd assume from a Jews perspective they did nothing wrong, and didn't do anything
From a Nazi's perspective, Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>81572643
They don't which is why it's the dumbest religion. There is no spiritual reason to be a jew because they're guaranteed to go to hell because they believe the real savior is yet to come.

>>81572708
Hitler didn't do anything wrong, and jewish mythology is way cooler.He deserved it.

>>81572715
>There is no spiritual reason to be a jew because they're guaranteed to go to hell because they believe the real savior is yet to come.
At least they're more realistic.

>>81572046
I JUST TOLD YOU WHO I THINK I AM
A GOD
I JUST TOLD YOU

>>81572739
>jewish mythology is way cooler

Semitic religions all prey to the same god, dummy.

>>81572788
Gods not the only character though

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Why can't one of the world's biggest religion have a deity that looks cool and has cool super powers? Zeus could shoot lighting and shit. Jesus does what? Walk on water and heal? That's lame as fuck.

>>81573084
Because the powers aren't the point. It's how it relates to being human. This guy put it well, check his dubs while you're at it: >>81572266
>I think everyone can empathise with the human story of Jesus, Luke and Matthew especially get across the whole humiliation and degradation of him really well. It's a dude getting mocked, beaten up, and executed for preaching what he thought was right.

>The divine aspect is what non-Christians don't relate to. Understandably because the whole thing is ridiculously fetishized in Christian art.

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>>81573084
Christian mythology had some cool stuff, but unimaginative artists ruined it

> angels described as Eldrich beings of countless arms, wings and eyes. "Wheels within wheels"
> lol, let's just portray them as humans with wings

>>81573255
Ahh I've heard of that. I love the idea behind the angels.

>>81571628
>Get ready for the Kingdom of God!
>Does nothing but help people find lost keys and win sports matches for 2000+ years
Really made me think...

>>81573255
All the "cool" christian mythology shit is more jewish than christian though
Christian mythology is boring as shit

>>81573255
Angels can look like all sorts. Some just look like people, some can turn invisible, some are weird monsters.

>>81573084
Because it is a god that is basically Human. Every physical flaw of being human but with a heart that just sees others as "human" even if they did wrong to him.

Despite that though>>81573255
Shit like that is cool. Also, the "birth" of hell is also another cool story.

>>81573255
Because it's superfluous nonsense you fucking teenager. It isn't important for Satan to be a JRPG final boss. What's important is that he was cast out of Heaven and tempted Adam and Eve.

>>81571732
Nihlism: the 'nothin personnel, kid' of philosophy.

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>>81573084
God is such that humans literally can't visualize him yet he makes logical sense. That's pretty neat.

>>81573484
I picture him as a hot milf

>>81573484
He's so imaginary you can't even imagine him.

>>81573511
He is a super-personal being.

>>81573516
As imaginary as and literally the logos, yes.

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I liked Shin Megami Tensei's art and take on deities

>>81571397
actual words
>my god, my god, why have you forsaken me

>>81573545
>He is a super-personal being
Does this mean I have mommy issues? I might.

>>81571473

As another fedora, I want to sympathize... unfortunately, he's a fucking kike. So yes, he deserved it.

>>81573516
Tell me what an omnipotent being looks like.

>>81573590
he's a big guy

>>81573590
Like a butterfly

>>81573590
Well for one thing, I would assume epic sense of humor. I mean if you're GOD you must have a badass sense of humor right?

Bible God, not one joke. What kind of a shit-ass fake God is this anyway. Unless you count what he did to Abraham but that's more like a prankbro.

>>81573558
I think that the style is nice, but it's still your typical japanese anime shit.

>>81571513

Christ goes beyond the golden rule; he asks for a change of heart.

The golden rule is easy; an office worker can practice it while gritting his teeth in unhappiness. Christ bears the suffering of others so that our suffering is not in vain.

>>81571473
I'm atheist but bible has ton of good ideas in it, the two don't contradict each other.
And I mean Jesus was damn near perfect the way he was and lived, I legit look up on Jesus in lot of ways and the story is fucking great.

>>81573590
It's our universe and everything we see around.

>>81573643
>still your typical japanese anime shit
Of course. I just like the art desu

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>>81571962

probably because of this.

>>81571987
>god's that faggot putting poison in a nigga's ear when you're not around just to stir shit

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>>81573648
Unless you were a Very Very Naughty Boy in which case you have to go to the Very Very Naughty Place!

>>81571987

I always understood this as God using the actions of humanity to further a greater goal.

Its the same as Gollum being the one who ultimately destroys the ring.

>>81573658
Yeah, no. The universe is the universe. God is God. People don't go to church and say "I worship the universe."

>>81573614
This.

>>81571987
Fuck god for this. Interfering with mortal affairs.

>>81573590

If you can rationalise him, then he is not God.

Last Temptation of Christ > The Passion of the Christ

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>>81573765
OH riddles precious! We loves riddles.

>>81573658
George Clooney, is that you?

https://youtu.be/YdH3BQ6rWMw?t=78

>>81573698

Hell is just the emptiness of living with your own ego for an eternity.

>>81573823
you have to go back

>>81573807
Bowie alone sets it off

>>81573807

Last temptation is a comedy.

>>81572474
Sure, every knew religion gaining speed gets hated on. Just look at Mormonism and scientology, it's just harder to prosecute by death in western society these days.

>>81573843
>living with your own ego for an eternity.
Sounds like heaven

>>81573843
I like the way Christians just make up and throw out any old bullshit that isn't in the Bible and makes no sense whatsoever and it flies. Hey, God is just Love man! I guess since the actual story makes no sense, just throw anything out there, I mean why not.

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So, why aren't you a Zoroastrian again?

>>81573765
And how did you come to that conclusion?

>>81573874
At least it has a more likeable Jesus

>>81573895

> They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

The worst pain that you receive is hell in knowing that you are out of Gods reach.

>>81573843
Doesn't sound too bad to be honest.

Where is my list of christian kino, /tv/?

>>81571802
He was actually a fedora
>talked about complex theological concepts as if he was hot shit
>*teleports behind moneylenders* pssh nothing personnel rabbis
>NEET
>stayed with his mom
>liked fish tendies
>friendzoned by Mary M'lagdalene

>>81573895
In buddhism the whole the end game of the religion is getting to nirvana and basically ridding yourself of ego, becoming infinitely empathetic and living purely for others.
Which is very similar to the christian core idea of treating others the way you want to be treated and loving other people.
It's not in the bible exactly but someone reading in to it like that isn't that hard to understand.

>>81573895
Do you have that same contempt for Buddhists and Hindus, or do you only feel comfortable lashing out at Christians?

>>81573971
Maybe but we'll have all the best hookers and drugs so who cares?

>>81573843
Thanks Buddha

>>81573942

How can a mortal mind rationalise a divine being?

Even the bible makes this clear that when the divine enters the mortal world.

>>81574032
If any Buddhists and Hindus come by and say stuff that doesn't make any sense I'll be more than happy to let them know

>>81574032
obviously I only go after the fags (christians)

>>81574041
I guess that's where the faith aspect comes in.

>>81571569
oh fug it's Ed McCarthy
and the fat kid from the kissing commercial who is an extra in literally everything

ELOHIM GOD ON HIGH

>>81574015
Have you noticed this trait in a lot of Christians you've encountered?

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>>81571397
yeah they had no idea

>>81574064
You must be pretty upset to pretend to be me replying friendo. What would Jesus do?

>>81574079
What trait?

>>81574064
>I only go after the fags

I'm sure you do, homo.

>>81571628
>meet him. somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgF42jlEEIs

>>81574109
touche....

>>81574142
>>81574109
>>81574064
samefag?

>>81574142
>>81574109
>>81574064
>>81574159

Allfags

>>81571397
>“Father, forgive (((them))), for (((they))) do not know what (((they))) are doing.”

I bet they knew exactly what they were doing.

>>81574330
You do realize he's one of (((them))) right
>keeping giving 10% to the church goys

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>>81573484

>>81574357
Nice.

>>81572098
The Pharisees (Jews) didn't want Jesus around because they were corrupt and spiritual leaders at the time. Jesus came in and disrupted things, so the Jews started causing trouble for the occupying Romans and said there would be more trouble if they didn't execute Jesus

>>81571578
>creates humans as sinners

Stopped reading there, you don't know shit

>>81574773
Hi, god. Stillborn any babies, lately?

>>81573084
Lightning isn't miraculous, raising the dead and healing the sick is

What I don't understand is God wants us to confess our sins and not act on them. But He's all powerful, right? Didn't He put the sin there in us?

>>81574912
Human beings fucked it up by listening to women

>>81572643
>Do Jews even consider jesus god/the son of god?
... are you a complete fucking idiot? No, the jews killed Jesus. And they still to this day, deny that he was anything other than a man. I don't think they even acknowledge he was real. Blasphemous synagogue of satan. They believe they are the chosen people of god, and no one else can possibly compare, goyim are literally the same as cows or chickens to them. So the jews think they themselves are jesus. Blasphemy.

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>>81574912

>Didn't He put the sin there in us?

>mfw a sinner didn't know the story of Adam and Eve

>dude... dude what if God, Jesus and the ghostly spirit are all... ONE DUDE
>whoooaaa ahaha that's fucking sick dude. It's like, a mindfuck or something
>*hits blunt*

>>81573614
underrated

>>81571397
>Tries to start another misquote thread

>>81574036
XDD

>>81571473
Jews murdering a Jew who wanted to change their made up Jew rules...

Yfw you realize an ancient Jew swindled the human race so hard we changed our entire system for how we determine what year it is.

>>81572788
Same God? Can you show me where Jesus says to kill those who leave Christianity?

>>81574357
This borders on blasphemy but it is very good.

>>81571578
Nice bait, anon.

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>4chan a decade ago
>fucking christfags lol god? more like nigger smuganimeface.gif
>4chan today
>ADAM and eve not adam and STEVE ok. praise jesus.
How did this happen?

>>81577058
The teenagers grew up.

>>81577058

Being an atheist is more obnoxious than being a christfag.

At least they have the chastity thing in common.

>>81572786
based yeezus

Probably stating the obvious here, but Christianity is a clusterfuck of naivite and half knowledge of God. Super embarrassing. Smh.

>>81577436

Probably stating the obvious here, but this post is a clusterfuck of naivety and half knowledge of Christianity. Super embarrassing. Smh.

>>81573614
For (you)

>>81577474
I read the bible and was brought up a Roman Catholic. What's your point of reference, dipshit? Have you even read a sacred text outside the clusterfuck that is called the bible?

>>81577436
More like Judaism and Islam are third knowledge of God lol

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>>81577075
More like the teenagers of yesteryear were replaced by a new generation of teenagers who want to find an edgier way of challenging the norm.

>And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
>But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
>And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
>And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
>And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The Passion narrative is true kino.

>>81577058
It became trendy to become part of the majority again

>>81577508
>Roman Catholic

clusterfuck may be right

>>81577508
There are no sacred texts outside the Bible. There's just mythology.

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>Not worshiping Azathoth, the nuclear chaos.

lol bet you plebs d͎̠̮o̧̨̹̫̮̳͖͉̻̟͎͞ņ̙̭'̧̩̪͔̺͢͞t̛̛̖̻̰͖̯̙͞ ̛̻̣̗͈̬͠E̵̖̗̞̹̙̩̭̘v̠̠͈̥͕̤̦̮̀͞E͓͓Ṇ̵̤͍͙̪͈̯ ̵̰̜̩͓̞̦͟Ş̻͈e̶̟͉̼̟̼̼͖͖E͖̗̰ ̨̪͙͚̫̦͍͉͞Í̜̝̮͓̠̝̣̙͟T̶̯ ̥͎̰S͎͚̬̟̗̳̻̻̀Ḛ̷̴̳̙̺È̷̼̻̲̹̼̺̳ ̮̖͉͙͜I̷̶͕̰̞͓̝Ţ̷̸͙̰̲̣̟̙ͅͅ ̩̙̗̘̪͚̱̙͘S̵̛͖͍̩̠͞E͍̘͕͙̞͎͜E̡͖̮̦̰̦̗ ̯̲͡I̪̳̜̫̥̫͙͘͟ͅT̰͖̩̻̟̪͍ ̰̦̫͞Ș̞̫̞̖̼E̤̙͕̩͖̲͠Ẹ̵̡̱̮̣̥͜ͅ ̴̳̭̭͔̻͖̕͞I̛̼̱͍̞͡͞ͅT͚͔̥̟̖̣̞̯ ̮̦̟̫͓̼͉͜S̯͚̟̮E̡̛̛̦̙̣̥̝Ȩ̬̣͍̺͚͜͞ͅ ̖̖̱̲̙̙̝̮̝̕I͚͉͕̯̝̻̟T͎̟̤̻̣̙̮̩̺ ̯͜Ś̙̙̗͖͍͔͜E̪̠̼͢E̵̪̬ ̵̭̙I̛̦̫T̛̤̙ ̡̙̹͎̬S̞͕̱̹̗̞̩̳̞E̥̞̠E̶̖̰̣ ̸̬͚̠̦̮͢͞I̤̬̯̟̹͚̘̫͇͟T͚̱̬̯̯̪͜

>>81577540
The way they talk and formulate their arguments leaves no doubt that the fervent atheists here are teens.

>>81577555
This is how I know you're either a retard or a shitposter. Either way, thanks for playing.

>>81571397
>About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
>Matthew 27:46

Honestly don't know how he ended up being seen as the Messiah. Or how later Christians came up with the trinity when Jesus and God are obviously different entities.

>>81577561
HAIL AZATHOTH!

>>81577629
I am sure you believe they're sacred, just as many Greeks believed the Iliad was divinely inspired.

>>81571397
God's not *BURP* real

>>81577663
The Son was speaking to the Father and quoting Psalm 22. They're different entities in the same sense that the sides of a triangle are different entities.

>>81571513
Wrong.

Can any of you neckbeards prove Jesus rose from the dead without saying fedora or Reddit

>>81571611
God knew Eve would fuck up.

But, it's not like God could do anything because it knew it would make Eve and Eve would fuck up.

God merely does or does not; it's a machine that does function X at Y interval.

>>81577743
Can you prove that there existed a man called Socrates who walked around pissing people off and was executed?

>>81577678
You are a retard, I'm sorry.

>>81577777
Quints of fedora slaying.

>>81577778
Why are you even posting if you don't even care to support your points?

>>81577743
Well fedoras and Reddit didn't exist then.

>>81577777

That claim doesn't stand in friction with our best scientific theories about how the world works. Yours does, so you better have something more to back it.

>>81577777

God is with you this day.

>>81577743
>Can any of you neckbeards prove Jesus rose from the dead

If it was provable it wouldn't be faith anymore, it would be common sense.

>>81577830

> the divine doesnt work in accordance to the scientific understanding of the world

are you autistic?

>>81573843
like now but without internet

>>81577777
Aristophanes wrote about Socrates while Socrates was still alive. He wrote that he walked around pissing people off.

>>81577706
>quoting Psalm 22
Didn't know that.

Still seems like if Jesus was God he wouldn't talk about "his father."
The whole idea of the Trinity seems like a combination of the story of Jesus becoming ever more powerful as time went on, a fuck you to Gnostics, and an attempt to reconcile the newly found importance of Jesus with Judaisms strict idea of monotheism.

I wonder how some people find it so easy to believe that a material universe exists in and of itself but scoff at the idea of a miracle.

>>81577830
Wasn't expecting anything resembling an intelligent response desu. Fine, then, I can't. Christianity requires a leap of faith and is not empirically verifiable by any means available to us right now.

>>81577864

What are you arguing? That Jesus resurrection can be understood scientifically or that it can't? If it's the former, you're a retard. If it's the latter, you're right, but you draw the wrong conclusions from it.

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>>81577864
I know, did he really just say miracles aren't possible according to Science? No shit

>>81577912
The Trinity is just the logical conclusion of the statement "God is love."

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>2017
>still denying the existence of God
For shame /tv/

>>81577912

Christ is the logos, the word of God. The word is not seperate from that which speaks it. Read the beginning of John.

The reason the pharisees were so incensed during his trial was that he used the words that God said to Moses to describe himself.

> "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

>>81578022
Why does he have to be love? He can't be himself and love people, he has to literally be the word love?

>>81571628
Gibson is unironically making a sequel about this

>>81578037
If my post ends in 7, God definitely exists. Ends in 2, he does not. Anything else is a maybe.

>>81578068

For reference.

> God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

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>>81571478

>>81571818
>>81571847

does the bible ever talk about the furniture Jesus made? i imagine it was some top quality stuff.

and surely a Jesus-table must have ""survived.""" like why aren't there any jesus shelves sitting in a holy place somewhere for people to check out

200

I like the Hyperion Cantos version of god.
A noosphere entity that's a produce of the human experience that grows and learns as humanity grows and learn.

>>81578119
>I wonder what Gibson has coming up
>Check IMDb
>Daddy's Home 2
hmmmmm

>>81578194
A wooden shelf surviving for 2000+ years would be a miracle

>>81578084
The foundation of Christianity is that love is the greatest of all things. It is a feeling man's religion. God must love, and it isn't sufficient that he loves us because we are created things that exist in time whereas God's love must be intrinsic to his being.

>>81578068
But John is the latest and is basically when Jesus is the almost on par with God.

Compare that to Mathew and Mark.

>>81578194
He never built anything because there's no trees in the desert. That's why he had so much time to perform those miracles.

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>>81571513
>>81571537
No. You're missing the point.

>For when you get down to it, is not the popular idea of Christianity simply this: that Jesus Christ was a great moral teacher and that if only we took his advice we might be able to establish a better social order and avoid another war?

>Now, mind you, that is quite true. But it tells you much less than the whole truth about Christianity and it has no practical importance at all.

>It is quite true that if we took Christ's advice we should soon be living in a happier world. You need not even go as far as Christ. If we did all that Plato or Aristotle or Confucius told us, we should get on a great deal better than we do. And so what? We never have followed the advice of the great teachers. Why are we likely to begin now? Why are we more likely to follow Christ than any of the others? Because he is the best moral teacher? But that makes it even less likely that we shall follow him. If we cannot take the elementary lessons, is it likely we are going to take the most advanced one? If Christianity only means one more bit of good advice, then Christianity is of no importance. There has been no lack of good advice for the last four thousand years. A bit more makes no difference.
-Pic Related in Mere Christianity

>>81578194
there are people that do shit like go around selling pieces of the literal cross.

>>81578268
Israel is basically just like southern greece or the brushy as almighty fuck part of texas in terms of trees. It's not barren.

This movie is a torture porn for Jesus and if you like it you're either a sick fuck or a contrarian.

Prove me wrong.

>>81578278
>If Christianity only means one more bit of good advice, then Christianity is of no importance.

What a fucking moron. The entire west was founded on Christian principles. That's why we don't stone women and cut off their clits. CS Lewis was a fucking hack.

>>81578264
The synoptic gospels are just a recollection of Jesus's adventures without any attempt to look into a meaning behind anything, unlike John. That He had the authority to forgive sins is still a pretty huge deal.

>>81578339
>The entire west was founded on Christian principles.
Maybe that's because Christianity is indeed something more than just a bit of good advice? How do you even miss the implication man

>>81578380
What? I never implied that Christianity is just good advice?

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>>81578278
>>81578339
You're on a whole new level of "missing the point" now. The uniqueness of Christianity has nothing to do with this world. It's the next that we're concerned with primarily.

The following paragraphs:
>But as soon as you look at any real Christian writings, you find that they are talking about something quite different from this popular religion. They say that Christ is the Son of God (whatever that means). They say that those who give Him their confidence can also become Sons of God (whatever that means). They say that His death saved us from our sins (whatever that means).

>There is no good complaining that these statements are difficult. Christianity claims to be telling us about another world, about something behind the world we can touch and hear and see. You may think the claim false; but if it were true, what it tells us would be bound to be difficult-at least as difficult as modern Physics, and for the same reason.

>Now the point in Christianity which gives us the greatest shock is the statement that by attaching ourselves to Christ, we can "become Sons of God." One asks "Aren't we Sons of God already? Surely the fatherhood of God is one of the main Christian ideas?" Well, in a certain sense, no doubt we are sons of God already. I mean, God has brought us into existence and loves us and looks after us, and in that way is like a father. But when the Bible talks of our "becoming" Sons of God, obviously it must mean something different. And that brings us up against the very centre of Theology.

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>>81577743
"I'm going to get brutally tortured and murdered for no reason today."

Look up Eucharistic miracles, apparitions of Mary, Healings, prophecies fulfilled, etc. There is a ton of evidence pointing to the truth of Christianity on a purely rational basis. Cancer doesn't disappear overnight without some outside force.

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>>81577743
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>81578487
>The uniqueness of Christianity has nothing to do with this world

I'm struggling to find even one post where this was said, because it's not part of the reply chain.

Out of all the other religions, Christians are the biggest crybabies of the bunch. They make up around 84% of the United States, but still will always bitch and fucking moan about how oppressed they are. They are happy to shit over everybody else's viewpoints, but if you ever dare criticize Christianity, you will be accused of being "disrespectful".

Christians love to abuse other people's space and privacy, it's their favored past time, so when the Internet was invented they boarded the Jesus train to dialup to begin their cyber Manifest Destiny of shitty propaganda. Since these times, more and more religious Christ zealots find their way online to secure God's position firmly on its grounds. These types of people inhabit almost every conceivable community that makes up the web and constantly through the day/night some asshole is quoting the bible somewhere in an effort to smite some e-foe. Luckily, Christians make up a large pool of easily trolled targets because if the Internet has taught us anything it's that everyone is a hypocrite. It's only fitting that the people who spend most of their time telling others how to live would be the most raging hypocrites out there. This trusty flaw results in massive ruin and has been a staple of dramatic events throughout history. E-Christians (aka Christfags) are no different from their offline counterparts, however, their large numbers and gestapo sects do not translate in any way online. They are weak cry-baby carebears who quit the Internet forever at the drop of their hat.

>>81574875
>iv god iz reel y duz bad stuff hapen???
So when someone mocks you for being ignorant, your response is to do confirm it?

>>81578580
Dude

>>81578487
>>81578278
Do you realize they're talking about why they sympathize with Jesus and his teachings despite being non believers? What are you trying to convince them of?

>>81578580
Athiest fag here, Christians just want to keep what's there's.

Jews and Muslims want to shit in everyone elses punch bowl.

These cheats are heard, they make a very rapid progress; 'tis the story of every error. Soon the altars of Venus and Mars are changed to those of Jesus and Mary; the life of the impostor is published, the insipid fiction finds its dupes; he is represented as having said a hundred things which never came into his head; some few of his own drivelings instantly become the basis of his morality, and as this romance is preached to the poor, charity becomes its foremost virtue. Weird rites are instituted under the name of sacraments; the most offensive and the most abominable of them all is the one whereby a priest, covered with crimes, has, notwithstanding, thanks to a few magical words, the power to bring God back in a morsel of bread. Let there be no mistake: at its very birth, this shameful cult might have been utterly destroyed had one but employed against it those weapons of the contempt it deserved; but men took it into their heads to employ persecution; the cult throve; 'twas inevitable.

>>81576563
>This borders on blasphemy
I mean i too like the plane scene but come on, isnt that a bit too much?

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>>81578580

what this guy said >>81578714

I'm an agnostic, but America IS a Christian nation in several ways. Not officially of course, but culturally. You're strawmaning Christians by saying they claim to be "oppressed." They're not whining about people telling them what to do (i.e. oppression), they're lamenting the growing influence of secularism, loss of a cohesive cultural identity, and (the sugar on top) an influx of a diametrically opposed religion that WOULD oppress them given the numbers and chance

>>81579158
We need Christianity to keep out the gays and the promiscuous ugly blue haired women that are ravaging this once great land of ours

>>81579158
>they're lamenting the growing influence of secularism
You mean the growing influence of information and the internet

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>>81578689
The two posters I originally responded two had this idea that Jesus’ teaching was about creating social order and good relations between people. “Be nice to others”. While that is a small part of His teachings, it is not the real case of it, and not special to Jesus. I’m referring them to the actual core of His work, which is His own divinity and sacrifice. It’s easy and wholesome and proper to sympathize with Jesus. But It doesn’t lead you to committing your life to Him, or knowing anything about what He said.

>>81579354

Those things aren't mutually exclusive to religion. Maybe "secularism" wasn't the right word

What I meant was I think a lot of Christians don't like that society is becoming much less oriented around religion (of course many of them are guilty of this as well, hence hypocrites). It used to be a much more central part of life, and I assume Christians think that was a good thing.

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>>81574014
kek

>>81579249
Not really, ironically the Soviet Union, didn't really tolerate gays or SJWs despite them basically being pro-Communism.

We just need a cohesive ideology and to think of ourselves a nation-state again.

>>81579387
All they're saying is "I don't believe in God but I agree with his teachings, they make sense to me."

They're not saying anything else

>>81579531
It's basically how I feel.

At its core Christianity is basically be a good person, and render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God. It's the best of the Abrahamic religions.

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>>81579531
From >>81571513
>That's because Jesus is essentially The Golden Rule.

From >>81571537:
>It's because he was ultimately just some dude who said people should be nice to one another.

They were making claims about what Jesus said. I was correcting them. That's all.

>>81579354
Access to information does not imply education or knowledge. The correlation between the growth of the Internet and that of atheism is coincidental. Atheism was on the rise around the time of the fall of Rome, too.

>>81572050
>Socrates
>willingly accepted his punishment in honor of the social contract contract he had formed with the city of Athens, despite the false charges.
>his friends tried to persuade him to leave and arranged for his escape.
>he sticks to his decision and dies by drinking hemlock (just goes cold) surrounded by his friends.

>Jesus
>willingly accepted his fate because of his great love for humanity, despite the false charges.
>friends abandon him
>he is brutally tortured and humiliated.
>executed in the most painful state-approved way possible with his mom and one friend watching.

I don't know mate, Jesus was pretty compelling.

>>81573255
Dude! Just like my chinese cartoons!!

>>81579809
They were replying to a guy who said he sympathizes with Jesus. Those qoutes are in response to that. Chill out, you made a mistake and it's not a big deal.

>>81573936
Because Zoroastrian kings came following the star and kneeled before baby Jesus.

>>81571397
Was Jesus the original cuck?

So many poor misguided sinners in this thread. I will pray for all of you. Christ is Love.

>>81573589
Jesus was literally born to get rid of kikes forever. He is the best Nazi.

Seeing as there is many Christians here.
What is the unforgivable sin? Could a lifetime of fedora and degenracy (believe me it gets pretty bad) have made me commit that one?

>>81580672
>What is the unforgivable sin?

Rejection of God as the savior will get you turned away. There's also trembling of fear that suicide will disallow you into heaven. I'm not positive if the suicide part is proper understanding of the word though.

>>81580672
People who reject Jesus Christ and His gift of eternal life, they are in a sense committing the unpardonable sin of unbelief. Anyone who desires to be saved by God's grace, has not committed the unforgivable sin. However, a person who lives in rejection and unbelief until his death, will not be forgiven This person will spend an eternity in hell apart from God. 2 Corinthians 7:10 says, "Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death." Those who sincerely desire God's forgiveness will receive it! All you need to do is to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose three days later. Then you confess and repent of your sins and ask Jesus into your life as your Lord and Savior. You are then saved by grace through faith.

>>81580672
The technical term is mortal sin. If I understand it correctly, it's a sin God can't forgive (or won't) and you have to genuinely repent yourself. One of these would be blasphemy against Holy Spirit; rejection of divine that gives us grace.

>>81580672
>What is the unforgivable sin
insulting the holy spirit.

>>81580830
>>81580830
>insulting the holy spirit.
Insulting how? I dont know if it was schizophrenia OCD or what, but as a kid I wa salways paranoid about commiting that sin, and i would like hear insults agaisnt it in my mind, i had to make a conversion with me for it to stop and it would never go away. The solution to the fear was becoming an unbeliever but still
>>81580762
>>81580801
>>81580822
I see that being an unbeliever is also it, so well i dont know what to do.

>>81580830
You are misinterpreting it. Insulting the Holy Sprit, God, and Jesus/Saying God is Evil/ are not unforgivable sins. Rejecting the "Holy Spirt" means living your entire life up until death never believing in the divine. If you even tease the notion of there being a God, you have not rejected the Holy Spirit. You cannot fully commit the unforgivable sin until you are dead. There's always time to repent and accept Jesus as your own personal savior.

>>81571569
Freddie Prinze Jr as Jesus Christ
Shannon Elizabeth as Mary Magdalene
Matthew Lillard as Judas

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>>81572449
this is what we share this website with

>>81580941
>Have very, very hard time believing in God
>Force myself anyway out of fear of going to hell

This is the ultimate red pill. You might as well buy insurance. It may be the wrong religion but at least you gave it a try.

>>81580924
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
However, we cannot presume to know who is saved and not saved in the particular sense. In the general sense, we know that you must be Baptized, have Faith, and offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist as atonement for sins in order to be saved. Just because you do those things, doesn't guarantee your salvation, though; they are simply necessary in general. Probably the majority of Catholics will be damned.

Those who are not Baptized, do not have Faith in Jesus, or do not offer the Eucharist may protected by Invincible Ignorance in certain cases if they are righteous in their own conscience, or by some other form of divine providence, but we do not know.

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what did mel mean by this?

The scene with his mom and the repentant thief almost made me cry.

>>81581263
>In the general sense, we know that you must be Baptized, have Faith, and offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist as atonement for sins in order to be saved.

Which branch believes this? Baptists see Baptism as a display of faith, I don't think you get turned away from the pearly gates for not being baptized in their eyes.

>>81581368
This is Catholic theology. Orthodox believe something very similar.

>>81580924
Ain't your choice bud

>What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
>"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
>and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

>It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

>One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

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>>81571397
>tfw it was along a metaphor for Mel Gibson's situation with the Jews

>>81581315
>That's what I tried to do with the Devil in the film. The actor's face is symmetric, beautiful in a certain sense, but not completely. For example, we shaved her eyebrows. Then we shot her almost in slow motion so you don't see her blink—that's not normal. We dubbed in a man's voice in Gethsemane even though the actor is a woman … That's what evil is about, taking something that's good and twisting it a little bit.
>Again, [the ugly baby] is evil distorting what's good. What is more tender and beautiful than a mother and a child? So the Devil takes that and distorts it just a little bit. Instead of a normal mother and child you have an androgynous figure holding a 40-year-old 'baby' with hair on his back. It is weird, it is shocking, it's almost too much—just like turning Jesus over to continue scourging him on his chest is shocking and almost too much, which is the exact moment when this appearance of the Devil and the baby takes place.

>>81571965
Yeah but we know Jesus is God, we know this was predetermined from the beginning, we know He is the suffering servant, we know this is the best course for humanity because it was God who ordained the whole thing. All of this makes it difficult to feel bad about the crucification unless you pretend Jesus is just some peaceful Arab dude.

>>81571483
Why am I laughing at this stupid post

>>81581462
Note that devil is a hermaphrodite. He wants it all, the best from both worlds. Yet, he'll always be male, no matter what form he takes. This is what rebelling against God is - you can't win against logos and the nature of things. If you don't accept the hierarchy and the natural order, you're doomed to failure. The only question is how many people you'll take down with you.

Devil was the first social justice warrior. Trans rights, indeed.

>>81571483
DDDD:

>>81571700
Why did anyone ever think thats a quote worth quoting?

>>81571987
Pharoah was the one that hardened his own heart first, multiple times

>>81571397

I literally don't get this whole story

how is jesus sacrificing himself for humanities sins? god still sends sinners to hell and why should he even care since jesus is himself

>>81573084
Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

>>81581096

See the thing about Pascal's Wager I never understood is that in taking it, you assume God doesn't know your heart. I mean, wasn't that the whole point of Jonah and the Whale - dude always knows what's up. You're not going to trick him. You can't pull a fast one on God and jump the pearly gates while he's not looking.

>>81581553
>Note that devil is a hermaphrodite. He wants it all, the best from both worlds.

Trannies are the devil manifesting xerself in the real world. I fucking knew it.

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>>81581462

Pure, uncut, unadulterated, grade A kino. Passion is one of my favorite films - gotta love Mel. And the madman wiggled his way back in to Hollywood after an insurmountable amount of gaffs. Still not sure how he did it.

>>81582640
>uncut
Sorry to break it to you but Jesus was jewish

>>81571569

>not using "SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME" as the bakground music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jWHffIx5E

>>81571397
>If you get raped by a pack of wild niggers it'll be your fault!
What do he mean by this?

JESUS DOESN'T FU*BURPS*CKING EXIST MORTY

>>81581462
Mel, you fucking mad man.