>if killing someone breaking into your house is ok then a

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>>81285496

but inviting somebody into your house and then killing them isn't

>>81285560
Oh, snap!

>>81285496
So the baby is a burglar?

>>81285496

>tfw babies rip off your clothes and force themselves up your vag and into your uterus

republitards are heartless

Why does /tv/ hate this man so much?

>>81285496

Did he actually say that?

>>81285560
Not if I was raped or it was my dad's house that I inherited

>>81285496
>ITT: Virgins oppose abortion.

>>81285496
>Had a female friend who had a astounding 8 abortions.
>She tells me "its not my fault men cant keep it in their damn pants."
>As she goes for her 9th.
>She had her 10th this year.

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>it's an easily triggered alt-righters selectively pretend like a particular piece of comedy is literal so they can hold hands and cry together episode

>>81285738
ITT roastie defends murder

>>81285752
Better than her having 10 babies to be honest.

>>81285773
>he thinks girls post here

I only support abortions for niggers and mexicans. or if the baby is retarded.

>fucking libcucks can't even take a joke

Condoms are stupid and and so are babies.

wheres the torrent

>>81285560
BTFO by a simple comment on a Trump supporter forum
How will cucks (white) recover?

>>81285814
Only for the purpose of the discussion

>>81285773
>muh unfeeling collection of cells

>>81285734
kek desu ne

>>81285496

Yeah, there are moments that are just too exaggerated to truly relate to

>>81285496

So??? -.- Do you have a problem with that??? That joke is funny because it's TRUE, ok?? My body, my rules! -.-

>>81286037
please be my gf Feminon, I'll give you more love than anyone else :)

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>>81285845
>cucks

they cant

there is nothing wrong with cuckoldry

TINY

>>81286037
This joke would trigger the NARAL crowd a lot worse than it would trigger /pol/.

>>81285734
>Not if I was raped or it was my dad's house that I inherited

You would also get murder charges for killing someone who was gagged and bound and tossed through your front window.

he's right you know

>being triggered by abortion jokes but not triggered by him spending 20 minutes talking about how badly he wants to suck channing tatum's cock
MAKES YOU THINK

>>81286105
Wh-w-hahth-hwhh--? ?.@?

baby killing roasties are so disgusting

>>81286105
That broke me a little bit. People should read more, maybe start with Arabian nights.

Cuckoldry is not a good thing. It's something bored wives use to damage their husbands.

>>81286105
>tfw 4chan has ruined the cuck fetish for you

fuck this site amd ficl /pol/

>>81285496
>>logically consistent statements confuse Amerikuks

kys

>>81286105
cuck fetishists here. I find it harder to know personally my bull. i just want to see them as cock nothing more than that

>>81286105
top kuk

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>>81286105
I'd rather someone tell me they like to eat their partner's shit before them tell me they enjoy cuckolding as a fucking fetish.

>>81285697
Because he has opinions they don't like and that's not acceptable.

So a baby is trespassing in the womb or what

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>>81285759

>>81286105
There's no way this kind of relationship is sustainable

>>81286105
Is this a parody or did someone actually think this comic would make cuckoldry look acceptable?

>>81286563
>guy fills you up with his hot seed
>woo that was fun
>week later that pee stick shows up positive
>nigga get out

Why is he such a gigantic fucking cuck

>>81285560
All sex is rape, you sexist fucking bigot. I bet you're a Trump supporter.

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>>81285734
>or it was my dad's house that I inherited

What mean by this?

>>81286604
you're right. Cuckholdry is a completely male driven fetish. No woman will actually want to be with a man long term who is into this because she won't be able to respect him.

I saw this show live when it was in my city. There was one part where he talked about how he wanted to suck dicks and mimed kissing a dick with the mic. I'm not even joking.

I don't know how people on the right are against abortion. There is a direct correlation between the decline in violent crime and minority access to abortion clinics. Kids that can't be cared for shouldn't have to exist

>>81286664
>be with rich breadwinner cuckold
>get money and get bull dick
>??????

>>81286702
Because ever since Buckley the conservative movement has been deeply tied with Christian moralism, and christians have always had this weird thing against murdering babies.

>>81286667
>I'm not even joking.

yeah, and? it was a funny bit, weird for you to point it out like that. does it make you unconformable you faggot

>>81286702
Stop having premarital sex then.

>>81286702
Literally because >muh Bible

Religious people should not be allowed in politics. Especially fundamentalists.

>>81286749
Seeing a middle aged bald guy pretend to suck dick on stage is not my idea of a good time.

>>81286639
I got my house from my dad, just because I did doesn't mean my dad can come inside my house whenever he wants.

>>81286610
It's not a parody.

>>81285752
Literally shocking she is able to conceive. I actually don't believe you at all.

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>>81285496
made me laugh
>you'd all laugh too if you'd imagined a black baby

>>81285697
I dont hate him, but I certainly dont like him that well anymore.

He used to be really amazing on the Opie and Anthony show, but as he got popular he stopped going on the show.

His early appearances on O and A are a whole lot funnier than his standup routines.

>>81285752
Why won't you wife her and save her from a life of misery?

>>81286751
You might be retarded.
It's not about me having premarital sex.
It's about Ja'quan and Tanisha having premarital sex, not raising their child because they're dumb and poor, and me getting murdered by their dumb kid.
Fuck man, this isn't complicated. D

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>>81286105
>tfw reading more and more

>>81285496
did he really say this?

>>81285496
>>if killing someone breaking into your house is ok then a woman killing a baby in her body is ok
how is this not 100% true?

>>81286836
Just kill everyone who has premarital sex

>>81286610
Lad, the author/artists of that comic is so out there that even Tumblr makes fun of her.

>>81286861
Because castle doctrine only applies if someone forcefully and unlawfully enters your house. If the conception was the result of rape it might be true.

>>81285560
>but inviting somebody into your house and then killing them isn't
actually, it's always legal to kill unwanted guests. it's called the castle doctrine.

>>81285866
>letting women determine how much worth human life holds

What's life as a literal cuckold like anon?

>>81286903
>guy cumming in a girl implies invited pregnancy

You're real smart, guy.

>>81286903
>Because castle doctrine only applies if someone forcefully and unlawfully enters your house.
Which is the baby in this scenario, ergo ipso facto, the castle doctrine applies to pregnancies.

>>81286907
That's not how castle doctrine works at all.

>>81286960
>That's not how castle doctrine works at all.
Yes it does.

>>81286105
>someone took the time to draw and wrote this

North Korea can't nuke us all to hell fast enough

>>81286105
>I love the whole emasculation and embarassment and agony of having a man come and fuck my soulmate
>but beware! don't ever use the n-word

Liberalism.. not even once.

>>81285496
>house sitting and alone for a week
>read up on if thieves can sue for injury
>they fucking can in some states because you can't take human life to protect your property

I'd say that's an incentive to just murder the fucking piece of shit, but I'm sure someone will be alive to arrest my ass for manslaughter because "He a gud boi, neded to pawn dat spics ps4 fo da moneh to get 'is life on track"

>>81286907
>it's always legal to kill unwanted guests
That's not what inviting someone into your house is.

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>>81286610

100% legit

>>81285759
i hope u die, niger

>>81287059
>the vampire clause

>>81286949
How is the baby, if conceived through the willful actions of the mother, existing unlawfully?
>>81286969
I don't care what you learned on CSI or whatever you can't invite someone into your house and then shoot them.

>>81285496
Yeah, fuck that fetus for breaking into her womb. She was only trying to have fun

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>>81287059

if its unfair it should be illegal

>>81286105
these freaks need to be executed

>>81287152
Believe it or not, people have sex for purposes other than conceiving a child.

>>81285752
>you
>knowing a woman

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>>81287102

>>81286105
>written by a woman
>woman in comic is fat

kek every fucking time

Alpha chads don't want to fuck you fatty, get over yourself

>>81287187
People rob banks for reasons other than murdering people. Pregnancy is a reasonable consequence of having sex and by doing so you assume that risk.

>>81287225
>consequences

But my mom told me im not responsible for anything bad and if it hurts my feelings its not my fault.

>>81287225
You're right. If someone is shot during a bank robbery they shouldn't have any medical attention.

>>81286105

This is some sort of joke r-right?

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>>81287208

DELET

>>81287302

no

>>81287102
So, if you invite someone into your house, but it turns out they're a vampire, you can still kill them?

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>>81286105

>only legal abortions performed when the "baby" is the size of a golf ball
And I thought the left were the emotion appealing faggots. I know you saw that diagram of a late term abortion on Facebook and it hurt your feefees but that's not how shit works in the real world.

>>81287180
That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Inviting someone into your house and then killing them has nothing to do with castle doctrine.

>>81287187
use a condom if you don't want kids. Abortions cost money and strain the health-care system and should not be used as a contraceptive

>>81287376
Condoms aren't 100% effective. If I use a condom and impregnate, is it okay to have an abortion?

>>81287376
But muh lack of responsibility, i shouldn't be responsible for the mistakes I make!

>>81287296
If you willfully commit an act, you're responsible for the consequences of that act if they could reasonably be anticipated.

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Why are neckbeards so against abortion when they themselves will never have children?

>>81286861

Because it's dumb and if you don't think it's dumb then you're dumb, anyone with half a brain can figure this out in a few seconds.

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>abortion predominantly kills nigger babies
Shouldn't you guys be in favor of it?

>>81287437
Isn't it self explanatory? Chad is pro abortion because he knows that he'll eventually need to pressure Stacy into getting one.

Is it alright to kill my 4 year old?

He's been around for a while, but I just don't feel I'm ready for his schooling years.

I've been thinking about euthanasia for him and I know it's the right thing to do for me.

>>81287494
Is it alright o make a false equivalency? I've been browsing 4chan for a while and I'm just getting a handle on this alt right thing. Help me out reddit.

>>81287411
not unless you've taken further steps to ensure you wont get pregnant, by for example using birth control pills.
And condoms don't have a large enough failure ratio to justify not using them

>>81287494
Le slibbery slobe ecksdee

>>81287435
And people have the right to take responsibility and flush that fetus out.

>>81286995
>I love the whole emasculation and embarassment and agony of having a man come and fuck my soulmate
This was made by a girl though. You think she would be okay with another woman getting fucked by his husband? L M A O no.
It's always worthless trash women and pathetic betas without a spine that justify this 'fetish' and only as for their own benefit. And I say 'fetish' because this is no fetish at all, the unfaithful women and betas just call it that way as a way to self-convince that what they are doing is not degenerate and pathetic.

>>81287494
Naw. You had a 5 month window and you missed it. Put him up for adoption.

>>81287546
As long as you're also willing to accept responsibility for murder.

>>81287528
The point is just take a morning after pill.

How dense do you have to be to realise you're pregnant several months later AND kill the child?

>>81287597
I hope you moralfags are religious. At least in that case you're being cucked by the idea of an all-powerful being.

>>81287494
Sure, you wont even do jail time.
https://www.google.com/amp/metro.co.uk/2017/01/31/tragic-mother-who-killed-her-baby-is-spared-jail-6416647/amp/

>>81287540
>le slibbery slopes not real xD
Funny how niave some people are.

>>81287639
If he's all powerful then why doesn't he stop abortions?

>>81287639
Here's an idea. If someone gets pregnant, and realizes they really don't want to raise their kid, wait till its born and then shoot the mother in the head. Boom, problem solve, don't have to worry about raising the kid!

>>81287691
Seems like you hate women more than you're trying to protect fetuses my guy.

>>81287639
I'm not even a moral fag. I'm just a wannabe law fag that got carried away. I'm actually pro choice and a fan of Louis CK. The joke is funny imo, but not 100% true.

>>81286797
Are you saying his post zaps you? Why do you women use literally all the time? It doesn't add gravity to your post it just makes you sound stupid.

>>81287673
He likes sending people to hell more than he likes babies.

>>81287528

>Le clump of cells

If you think a 4 month old baby is a clump of cells what's stopping me from considering a 4 year old a pre-human? Our brain doesn't fully develop until we're on our 20s anyways so anything under that is not really human yet and can just be disposed of. Why is this wrong?

>>81287752
If I can't hate an individual for infanticide what can I hate them for?

>tfw my ex-GF aborted our kid behind my back
What is my say? The child inside her is also mine.

>>81287803
>what can I hate them for?
being a straight white male

>>81287765
Who are you even picking a fight with? Do you literally have dogshit for brains?
Are you challenged? Did you cut class alot as a youth?
Holy fucking shit I'm not even going to break down my post and how you're reply had nothing to do with any of it instead I'm going to keep talking about your pathetic tiny pea brain you special ed hot sack of shit
How are you so fucking stupid?
Was your mom like 64 when she had you?

>>81287806
She was aborting it because she had been cheating on you with Jamal and didn't want you to see the nigger baby

>>81287795
I tried arguing that neonaticide should be legal withand a group of militantly pro choice women and they looked at me like I was Hitler. Like wtf, does a baby suddenly get a soul when it passes through a vagina?

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>>81286828
>wifing a used up whore who murdered 10 babies

>>81287828
This. She probably did ask the real father's consent and anon just doesn't know.

>>81286775
Your dad shouldn't have come inside to begin with

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>>81286105
hey faggot let me peg you.

Here's a hypothetical:

A person (let's call him Jamal for no particular reason) rapes a woman and she gets pregnant, and that woman then aborts the fetus under a rape/incest exception, should Jamal be charged with felony murder?

>>81287842

Fake outrage is a good way to hide ignorance. The truth is there is no way to determine when a human becomes a human. That makes the anti-abortion argument pretty solid as you could easily equate abortion with murder. Funnily enough, many of the people who are pro-choice consider themselves to be scientifically literate yet they have trouble recognizing that there is no way to determine when a human begins to be a human and that the "viable outside the womb" parameter is completely arbitrary for the sake of convenience.

tldr; lefties are idiots

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the husband.. im starting to see some problem areas emerging.

>>81287795
Because an egg is not a chicken. If you are coming from the Christian soul standpoint I understand that but from a biological standpoint a viable baby is different than a fetus.

>>81287963
Is the girl white?

>>81288030
Fetal viability is what makes a person alive? So you're willing to concede abortion should be outlawed in a few decades when we can create artificial wombs?

>>81287963
No. The fetus in question is half black, so the one-drop rule means that the fetus is legally not a human.

>>81285560
HOLY SHIT
Im actually for abortion but for different reasons. But i gotta admit when someone is blown the fuck out

>>81288030
conception is a human life, stop pretending like you don't know this is the case.

if you want to have sex without having children just freeze your sperm and eggs and have the fucking medical procedures so this stops becoming an issue.

>>81288091
I never said Jamal was black, you racist.

>>81288033
She's hypothetical, anon.

>>81288072
I know, right?

It's 2017 and people still can't tell when they're being baited.

>>81288001
When a human becomes a human is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Once you give a specific criteria defining what makes a human a human, then you can give scientific proof for that.

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>>81285759
Fuck off reddit.

>>81288107
why is conception a human life

you can't just assert an opinion and go "don't pretend this isn't the case"

>>81288107
>conception is a human life

No, a human cell is not a human being. It has the potential to become a human being, but it is not a human being.

>>81288222
Because it's literally a living entity

>>81288030

I didn't say anything about chickens, stop deflecting. Also don't give me the religious bullshit, I'm an atheist. The thing you need to do here is define what you mean by "viable baby". So if we didn't have incubators, a 4 month old baby would now just be a clump of cells? Since it wouldn't be "viable" outside the womb? How can you define what makes someone human or not based simply on the technology we have today? So if tomorrow there was a technology that made 1 month olds viable outside the womb they would suddenly gain "human" status? And stop being a "clump of cells"?

This topic isn't as simple as you want it to be.

>>81288222
>>81288228
black people are not human beings. they have potential, but they aren't human beings, look at how they behave when left alone, all over the world.

>>81288228
What about 5 month year old fetus? A one-year-old? A five year old? The fact of the matter is, none of these individuals are recognized as fully formed human beings yet. Is there value, then consequently less? Dogs are said to be about as intelligent as 2-year-olds, some birds, as intelligent as 5-year-olds. Should the penalty for killing a doberman or a parrot exceed killing humans at two and five respectively? No? Why not?

oh thats right because virtually everyone recognized that, though unformed, the potential exists.

>>81288222
When you're trying to deny something the right to live, it's usually an affirmative argument.
>>81288228
Carrying that thought forward, when does it become a human being? Im honestly curios.

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>>81288321
Apart from Ethiopians, they're based.

>>81288347
>The fact of the matter is, none of these individuals are recognized as fully formed human beings yet.
You're grasping at straws here. There's quite a difference between a fully developed toddler and a bunch of sells incapable of even sentience. For starters, the former IS considered a human being, just not an adult one.

>>81288159

Ok, here is a criteria, consciousness. Just because science isn't yet able to answer a certain question, it doesn't mean the question becomes philosophical. Is dark matter all of a sudden philosophical because we don't know what it is? The only reasonable conclusion we can make is that science isn't yet able to conclusively answer when a human becomes a human. Therefore being against abortion is a legitimate moral and rational stance to have. So when you make fun of people for having legitimate moral and rational stances on certain issues the only people laughing at you should be people too dumb to understand the issue (lefties)

>>81288347
Morality is unironcially a spook. so we should base our laws in evolution and maximum benefit for all. A child who dies painlessly and nobody suffers from its death (parents and shit) is technically fine.

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>>81288093
>Im actually for abortion but for different reasons

keeping the black / minority populations lower?

>>81285759
I love the "liberal faggot using triggered as an insult" meme

>>81288378
>be creme de la creme empire with powerful allies.
>go to war with literal spear tribe in africa
>still manage to lose a lot of soldiers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War
only italy.

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>>81288398
you got me. But also because there is no inherent value to life. I mean im for eugenics soooo....im kinda fine since most abortians are made of genetically inferior people. here have a meme

>>81288228
Actually once the sperm wriggles up in that egg and undergoes the fertilization process it is objectively a human being in a early stage of development, just like a 6 month fetus, just like a two year old, just like a 10 year old. There's absolutely no scientific basis to stand on for the "it's not a human being!" crowd, it's just their way of trying to avoid an uncomfortable argument because they believe if they can just define it as not a human life they can dismiss it.

If the abortion crowd was actually intellectually honest they would accept the biological reality of it being a human in a stage of development and then from there make the argument that there are some instances in which we deem ending a human life necessary and non-criminal, like self-defense. They would then argue that abortion is one such case where the taking of a human life could be deemed necessary and explain why, without having to just try to dishonestly and unscientifically define their way around the real argument.

>>81286702
My coming to this realization is pretty much what caused me to come around on the whole abortion thing. The "MUH BODY" bitches can go fuck themselves with that nonsense, but from where I'm standing, anyone who is willing to kill a baby for the sake of not being inconvenienced would make for a shitty parent. I somehow doubt that the world is being denied the next Mozart or Einstein.

>>81288396
>Evolution is ongoing process with literally trillions upon trillions of cases occurring simultaneously any point, failing, succeeding, and interacting with one another in a mind-bogglingly complex web of cause and effect, but I honestly believe we can control and predict it, despite not even getting weather reports correct within a statistical reliability

good luck with that, friend. The minute you think you've achieved a success a bug, a worm, or weak valve is going to deliver some humility real quick

why it isnt up on tpb or anywhere else for that matter?

>>81288380
Why do you get to arbitrarily define what is or isn't alive but pro-life snow can't?
Also still not clear on what we can and can't kill.
>Killing sentient toddlers=bad
What about non sentient newborns?

>>81288451
>once the sperm wriggles up in that egg and undergoes the fertilization process it is objectively a human being in a early stage of development
>just like a 10 year old
Nice bait. You should probably stick God somewhere in your arguments to get the (you)s going.

>>81288347
The potential also exists for an unfertilized human egg to become a human. It could be argued that menstruation is murder because it's throwing away perfectly good eggs.

>>81288363
>Carrying that thought forward, when does it become a human being?

It depends on how you want to define what a human being is. Some people will say a single fertilized cell is a human because it's got all the chromosomes, others say it's when the heart starts beating, or when the brain is fully formed, or what have you. It's completely arbitrary.

Personally, I don't have any idea, but I think the idea of a cell being a human is retarded. If you've ever seen a cell or a cluster of cells under a microscope and try to equate that to someone you know with thoughts and dreams and a personality, it's just an absurd thought.

>>81288514
>Why do you get to arbitrarily define what is or isn't alive but pro-life snow can't?
Who said anything about ME defining anything? Objectively speaking, embryos (not kids, try to use proper terms here instead of appealing to emotion) don't even develop anything resembling consciousness until the second trimester.

>>81288528
>Nice bait. You should probably stick God somewhere in your arguments to get the (you)s going.

Not an argument. If you'd like to make a case for why a ten year old is not an early stage of human development, be my guest.

>>81288495
>we cant know the exact outcome of evolution so we shouldnt try to monitor one little bit

Explain to me how taking people with heavy genetic diseases out of the genpool is bad?
I dont advocate for killiing them ,but maybe disincentivize their reproduction

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>>81288428
Ethiopia had guns mate.
Maybe not up-to-date ones, but they still had them.

>There are people in this thread who think that taking plan B is morally equivalent to abortion which is morally equivalent to murdering an infant

>>81288540
>The potential also exists for an unfertilized human egg to become a human.

not without the act of sex, a choice on one or more people's part

>It could be argued that menstruation is murder because it's throwing away perfectly good eggs.

Eggs are haploid, what are you talking about?

>>81288388
How would you scientifically determine which qualities define the abstract idea of "humanity"?

>>81288451
>>81288451
they don't want that argument because they want fetuses and babies up to 9 month old for stem cells and regenerative medical procedures.

Whatever is the mechanism that promotes such quick growth in human babies and children also has useful applications in extending life and curing degenerative diseases.

If they admit conception is a life then they admit they just want abortions to be able to harvest organs and cells of children for profit. When your act is so irredeemably immoral the only way you can ever win an argument is with deflection and distraction, in this case make it all about the rights of the woman and how she doesn't have to face the responsibilities of her actions.

It's your right to get pregnant, it's not your right to abort. If we agreed to abort all the rape, incest and defect babies and stop all other abortions, we'd stop 98% of all abortions. Think about who is pushing the sexual liberation movement and for what reason. Birth rates are way down, abortions are way up, pretty fucking successful if you ask me.

Children are hard to steal parents ask questions. Babies are easy to abort, mothers want to forget it ever happened.


>>81288528
It has everything to do with God, the God of materialism pushing incredibly wealthy people into funding these BioTech companies that are harvesting fetuses for the promise of immortality. Literally eating our young to survive.

>>81288565
Genetic diversity makes a population healthier.
One man's genetic disease is another man's super power. See: sickle cell anemia giving resistance to malaria.

>>81288563
>why a ten year old is not an early stage of human development
I didn't know women could abort 10 year old kids.

That is what you're inferring, right? Surely you're not stepping out of the topic at hand to strawman your way into an argument?

>>81288565
Sickle cell, cunt.

>>81286710
You can just divorce the cuck and receive alimoney

>>81286907
>found the guy who is getting life because he thinks he can invite his mexican neighbor in then shoot him
have fun getting ass pounded in prison

>>81288606
If you took an egg cell and a sperm cell under suitable conditions, you can fertilize without sex.

In this way, you can create life en masse and commit mass murder from the comfort of your own home laboratory.

>>81288665
Oh, I'm sorry, i didn't realize the process of artificial fertilization requires less choice that the act of sex.

>>81288614
>genetic disease
>genetic variation

you cant be serious. as if 1% if the human poulation is seriously responsible of humangenetic variation

>>81288626
>muh strawman
It's a logical extension of the poorly defined framework.

>>81288665
couple it with an artificial womb and you can harvest your own army of little humans.

>my daughters
>my daughter said
>haha my daughter

yowza
>i think i'm gay because I like a good movie because they are strippers!
YIKES!
>my dads penis!
I don't know what happened this wasn't funny at all

>>81288719
What are you not following? Genetic disease IS genetic variation. If you're saying we should take people with "genetic disease" out of the gene pool you're arguing in favor of reducing variation.

>>81288608

I would go with the assumption that humans exist on a higher realm of consciousness and this is the main thing that defines them. Either way, going with "viability outside the womb" is just as random as any other quality like say, heartbeat.

>>81288665
>choice choice choice

I'm talking about biology, not psychology. Cuck.

>>81288769
You need a brain for consciousness. I don't think anyone has figured out what particular neural pathways must be formed/active for consciousness to appear, but you would be able to figure out when those systems are developed, and infer when consciousness is formed.

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>>81288614
>white people have the most genetic diversity and least inbreeding of any race
>we must bring in other inbred races for the benefit of whites

SURE

>>81288767
Lel you cant be this dense. Of we take out 1 percent of the human poulation genetic variation is almost unchanged.

>>81288420
Yeah cus liberals insulate themselves from anything they disagree with whereas conservatives are always living among diverse communities and consuming media that covers a wide array of viewpoints. Keep crying conservacuck fucking faggot.

>>81288841
>bro killing all the Jews won't affect anything there like less than 1% of the population
You're talking about SPECIFICALLY TARGETING traits you consider to be undesirable.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised the stirner fag can't grasp basic concepts.

>>81288867
>liberals insulate themselves from anything they disagree with whereas conservatives are always living among diverse communities and consuming media that covers a wide array of viewpoints
This is actually true. As a conservative youre doing this whether you want to or not with leftist domination of media

>>81288815

If I'm not mistaken the neural tubes close somewhere around the 1st to 2nd month of gestation which is earlier than viability. But yes, it should be possible to figure out when consciousness arises, which means it's a scientific question

>>81285734
NOBODY IS TRYING TO BAN RAPE ABORTIONS

THAT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENS

>>81288918
Big cities tend to have the most liberals and most diverse populations. Conservatives live in areas that are 99% white. There is plenty of conservative media out there, which conservatives stick to, i.e. Fox News, Glenn beck, Alex Jones, etc. etc. Whereas the so called liberal dominated media churns out a very wide array of movies, tv shows, etc.

>>81288941
>he fell for the consciousness jew
There's no ghost in the machine bro.

>>81288941
>consciousness arises

if consciousness is not a real thing and just an elaborate and complex illusion of language, you can then use science to justify killing anyone.

define consciousness, oh nobody knows, ok. sounds like you want to abort toddlers.

>>81285496
>>if killing someone breaking into your house is ok then a woman killing a baby in her body is ok

As long as it isnt per-meditated. If you plan to kill home invaders you're a murderer and people have gone to jail over it.

>>81288867
>it's a conservatives can't even keep an edgy show floating on Adult Swim episode

Good luck with your """art""". You got the libs shaking in their boots.

>>81288918
Dude, there are plenty of """conservatives""" whose only sources for """""news""""" are /pol/ or Rush Limbaugh.

>>81285496
Fuck this shitty person, its not even close to the same think
hope he dies in fire

I think cuck king is an pretty cool guy eh kill babbies and doesnt fraid of anything.

>>81288941
When consciousness arises is a scientific question. Whether or not consciousness defines humanity is a philosophical one.

>>81289168
It's not a scientific question because consciousness is a philosophical term that can be scientifically defined in a number of different ways.

>>81289237
he's trying to say it's when the baby opens it's eyes after birth (because he's an idiot). the slippery slope will then become when a child first acquires language. then when it first contributes to society and so on until we can kill anyone who disagrees with us under the guise of being unconscious.

this marxism 101, bend science to fit your idiotic agenda of controlling everything.

>>81286818
I don't blame him for not going on O and A anymore. Ope is horrendous and Ant just didn't want to be there anymore.

>>81289274
Whoa whoa whoa lets not bring Marx into this. There's a big difference between killing babies and killing the bourgeoisie.

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>>81285496
That baby is my shared property and by killing it she's violating the NAP and we all know how that'd end.

>>81289009
>conservatives
>on /pol/
sure thing, buddy

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>>81289376

>see louis ck thread
>oh shit should be interesting
>find out it's an off topic shitposting thread

at least i know where all the retards are being contained

>>81289436
>see thread about a cancerous, unfunny comedian
>the thread is shit

What did you honestly expect?

>>81285759
I never got the meme of something as morally grey as abortion being a liberal or conservative. Are you literally not allowed to think for yourself?

>>81285734
>someone does something bad to you
>take your anger out on their innocent child and kill it to make yourself feel better
Women are evil.

>>81289476
>Are you literally not allowed to think for yourself?
Is that a serious question, goy?

>>81288626
None of this is an argument either. Are ten year olds an early stage of human development or not?

>>81289516
>Give women the right to control their own sex lives.
>Within a generation they become so dysfunctional they need 9 months-after-the-fact abortions

speaks volumes about their planning and personal responsibility skills.

>>81289516
Women are also pretty retarded.
>Should I ask Chad to wear a condom
>Should I take the morning-after pill?
>Lol no, I'm gonna get knocked up and abort it

It doesn't make any sense.

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Abortion kills leftists and shitskins, what's not to like about that? Margret Sanger is my kind of girl

>>81289651
Margaret "jab a coat hanger through a baby gangbanger" Sanger

>>81289651
>Abortion kills leftists
Right, because people are born with a political ideology.
This is the IQ of people you post with, /tv/.

>>81289694
Margaret "spawn point camper" Sanger

>>81289651
Margaret "terminate an unborn ape" Sanger

>>81289708
>Right, because people are born with a political ideology.
They are to a certain degree: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/
Also you're forgetting that they'd be raised by leftists in a social environment where every major institution in the child's life (school, media) is leftist at well.

I'm happy about every abortion because of this.

>>81289651
margeret "a rusty hammer to the clacker" sanger

Holy shit this fucking thread, you guys know this is a comedian telling jokes right?

>>81289708
I think what he's saying is that, because the best predictor of someone's political ideology is their parents ideology, legal abortion will on average prevent more leftists from being born so long as the right holds onto traditionalism.

>>81289835
>stand-up comedian
>jokes

Pick one and only one.

Iceberg? I thought he said we hit a Weisberg.

>>81287903
kek

>>81285734
In that case you didn't invite him to have sex, did you?

>>81287957

Would.

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>>81286702
I'm for abortion for this very reason, but it doesn't change that the fact that the legal and mainstream ethical justifications (aka "muh body muh choice" not "it's good because it kills niglets") are basically retarded.

>>81288378
you realize those pyramids are like 20 feet tall right? and ethiopians are only slightly better than other niggers because their major ethnic groups have ~40% caucasoid (mostly arab) admixture.

>>81286105

jesus this is just weird, not the fetish itself, but the inane, naive, my little pony, tumblr way the comic creator tries to bring his fetish out.

>>81286702
We should kill everyone who inconveniences society with their existence.

>>81290378
So according to that image, the scientist is saying that taking a morning after pill in some cases constitutes murder.

In my country, the only ones against abortion are bible-thumping nutcases. No exceptions, all of them are nuts and don't really have anything to back their claims but "god created ebery person ;___;"

Luckily, nobody gives a fuck about bible-thumpers anymore

>>81290479
Yeah, I do know.

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>>81290544
>when the physical removal is just right

>>81290561
There are atheist arguments against abortion.

>>81290696

there aren't, only "arguments" against abortion are nothing more than attention-whoring and "but god created erry person ;____;"

Why do underaged americlaps get so heated about abortion every time it comes up? Are they just programmed to spit their burger out the second it's mentioned?

>>81290696
All arguments against abortion are by default cucked because you're advocating for having a child that's not yours brought into this society that has an obligation to keep the child alive with resources you're forced to partially contribute via taxes.

The only question should be whether or not abortion should be financially supported by the tax payer. I'm against that, even though I donate to Planned Parenthood

>>81290743
Also the fact that it's basically murder of a living creature
There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy you have to be a complete idiot to get pregnant unintentionally and if you did you should deal with the consequences not get away with murder

>>81290876
Murder is unjustified killing of another human being.
a) it's debatable whether or not a fetus classifies as human being.
b) it's most definitely justified by law, otherwise abortion would be illegal.

They're dealing with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy, they're just not doing it in a way that's according to your arbitrary standards.

>>81290544
>We should kill everyone who inconveniences society with their existence.
Hence why abortions exist.

Fertilized eggs are not selfcounscious, they don't even have brains, they're not people.
Cells carry 100% of your DNA, rubbing your nose and killing thousands of them isn't murder either.

Very late stage abortions are an issue. Abortion itself is not.

*sips*

what going on here?

>>81291183
faggot
>>81291128
What have you read here to make you think people are equating DNA to a human being? None of those cells are going to become a human being on their own while a zygote is unarguably a human being developing.
>>81290936
>They're dealing with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy, they're just not doing it in a way that's according to your arbitrary standards.

How are these standards arbitrary? If anything it's the belief that after a sudden magical time period it's not okay to kill the child anymore.

>>81290936
>a) it's debatable whether or not a fetus classifies as human being.
Not in a scientific sense, no.

>b) it's most definitely justified by law, otherwise abortion would be illegal.
Something doesn't become justified by law, e find justification for things and then make laws proscribing that justification.

>>81291128
>Fertilized eggs are not selfcounscious

Neither are newborn babies

>>81290876
You're thinking morally. Think practically.

If abortions aren't available legally people will just get dodgy back alley abortions that are far more dangerous and more unsanitary. If they don't they get stuck with a financial dependent who limits their career choices and money making opportunities, which would mean paying less in taxes and taking more in child benefits.

Also overpopulation. Or is this just a ploy to make the white race keep it's birth rate in step with latinos and blacks?

>>81291364
Even though I do believe abortion is murder I'm well aware that I can't force my view on people in is case and it would lead to negative situations if I did.

However we should move away from the most of the west's stance at the moment that abortion is something totally acceptable and encouraged.

>>81291330
>Not in a scientific sense, no.
Does a skin cell classify as human being too?

>Something doesn't become justified by law
Look at what the "jus" in "justified" means, buddy.

make as many kids as possible for the coming machine war

>>81291518
>you in charge of quoting the correct post

>Does a skin cell classify as human being too?
Nope.

>Look at what the "jus" in "justified" means, buddy.
Absolutely nothing. The root word "just" means "in accordance with moral proscriptions". The word justified means "done with warranted cause", and then there is a reason people append "legally" to things which are legally justified, hence the difference between something being justified and something being legally justified. Something doesn't become justified by law, we find justification for things and then make laws proscribing that justification.

Anything else?

>>81287060
Califag here, how does one become a bull? I'm 6'2", /fit/, and alpha as fuck, so I know I fit the criteria, but how the fuck do I meet these types of degenerates?

>>81291609
Etymology 1
From Middle English juste, from Old French juste, from Latin iūstus (“just, lawful, rightful, true, due, proper, moderate”), from Proto-Italic *jowestos, related to Latin iūs (“law, right”).

>we find justification for things and then make laws proscribing that justification.
And this exact same thing didn't happen with abortion how?

>haha i'm a bad father
>haha i'm a fat fuck
>haha my family is dysfunctional
>haha this food amirite
How is this fucking guy considered one of the best comedians?

>>81291631

11x7 or don't talk me or my wife ever again

>>81291685
>“just, lawful, rightful, true, due, proper, moderate
>rightful
>just
>due
>proper

There ya go thanks for affirming what I'd said.

>And this exact same thing didn't happen with abortion how?
No justification was found. Do you have one?

>>81291734
>ignoring the lawful because it goes against your "argument"
>ignoring the root of ius that literally means law because it goes against your "argument"

>No justification was found.
Then how come it became legally justified if that's how it works according to you?

>>81290546
Well it does kill the egg since most stop the egg from clinging to the uterus. Haven't you heard of silent abortions?
Now if it just stopped a woman from releasing an egg then sure no harm no foul. But as soon as the egg and sperm meet then it's alive.

TORRENT NOW

>>81291330
>a human being developing.
So not a human being.

>>81291778
>>ignoring the lawful because it goes against your "argument"
You realize that words have multiple usages and there are six different examples of that right there right? None of this contradicts what I had said. You're trying to argue the meaning of the word "justified" for some reason as if it does not mean the things that I said, when it does. You're literally off on an irrelevant tangent making assertions that prove my point. I can't imagine what value you think you're achieving in trying to debate the difference between "justified" and "legally justified". Do you accept that the word "justified's" primary usage is not legal? If so then what are you even arguing about? Even if it wasn't the context in which it was just used drew a specific distinction between legal and non-legal justification so you're literally trying to argue a non-issue. You must be powerfully retarded.

>Then how come it became legally justified if that's how it works according to you?
I didn't say legal justifications necessarily spawn from justifications.

You could have saved time by just saying, "No, nothing else."

>>81291866
How to did you jump to that? A toddler is a human being developing

>>81291691

He's trying to be an edgier spin on Dangerfield (minus the wit), an everyman who specifically relates to the emasculated white married male, which just so happens to be the demographic with the most money to blow.

>>81291884
>Do you accept that the word "justified's" primary usage is not legal?
No, I don't because just like murder this is a question about legality.

I don't really give a shit about the feefee side of this argument.

>>81287180
That headline sounded fake as fuck and guess what, it is.

>>81291973
>No, I don't because just like murder this is a question about legality.
No, no-one is questioning the legality of abortion here since that question is, "Is it legal?" "Yes". Conversation done. The question being asked is, "Is it justified?"

If ou don't have thoughts on an answer to that question you're just shitting up a thread with irrelevant non-arguments.

>>81292036
>The question being asked is, "Is it justified?"
"Yes". Conversation done.

>>81286105
just a reminder. our descendants will study about what we did during our time trying to improve civilization, and this is what they will see

>>81291919
Is this post seriously implying that Dangerfield had any amount of wit and wasn't literally the male version of every shitty female comedian?

>Why did the chicken cross the road?
>MY EX WIFE!

Fuck off.

>>81291700
Metric?

>>81292102
Unfortunately, "yes" is not an argument, so your answer can be taken with a grain of salt since it asserts no reasoning or, ironically, justification.

>>81292178
From an utilitarian perspective it minimizes the suffering of the parent that otherwise would be forced to bear children they don't want and negates the potential suffering of a person that won't exist to begin with if they're aborted.
From a social point of view it has an eugenic effect on the population and is less of a financial strain.

That's good enough for me and luckily also for the lawmakers, and that's all that matters practically.

>>81292242
Holy shit I finally drew a real argument out of you, and it only took an hour.

>>81292281
>implying these points haven't been mentioned several times ITT

>>81292309
So why didn't you say so from the beginning instead of wasting time on tangents and non-arguments for an hour? Then I could have skipped straight to ruining it for you.

>it minimizes the suffering of the parent that otherwise would be forced to bear children they don't want
If they didn't want the child they shouldn't have had sex then. This is not an argument for abortion, it's an argument for making good choices. How about instead of killing humans as a solution, we instead choose the option which doesn't involve killing humans and is more effective in preventing unwanted children?

>negates the potential suffering of a person that won't exist to begin with if they're aborted
This is 100% vaguely undefined justification for killing anyone. Once you accept "negates potential suffering" then you've got free reign to terminate any life because "well they might suffer so..." The argument, "It is better to be dead than suffer, this person might suffer, this person should be dead," can be used to kill anyone. If your "justification" can be used to "justify" almost anything, it's not a justification so much as a removal of the need for proper justifications.

>From a social point of view it has an eugenic effect on the population
If you're going to argue for eugenics then you must also at least be consistent and argue for death squads eliminating every undesirable human in society. If you affirm this, then I'll accept this argument as personally consistent with your views and we can then debate eugenics. If you're not committed to the death squads then you're not actually going to make a eugenics argument for abortion since if you think killing babies is alright for eugenics but not fully grown babies then you're simply inconsistent and not ready to commit to the position.

>less of a financial strain
Once again this can be avoided by not creating the baby in the first place.

>>81285697
Once u go sjw or cuck /tv/ wont take.u back.

>>81292504
>If you're going to argue for eugenics then you must also at least be consistent and argue for death squads eliminating every undesirable human in society.
I am.

If you'd feel better, we could kill all the people that can't prevent birth without abortion. The reason I support abortion is because I don't want the people that'd get one to procreate but honestly, them not existing is fine by me too.

>>81286105
/Pol/ was right.

>>81287664
he's a man so that won't work

>>81285752

It sure sounds better than this imaginary retard shitting out 10 babies and polluting the world with her shitty spawn.

>>81292601
Okay so since you're conceding all other points and willing to be intellectually honest and consistent now then you are saying abortion is only justifiable in the case where it will serve a eugenic goal and all other instances are not justifiable. That's good argumentative progress and you're more mature than the average channer to be so intellectually honest in conceding and just sticking to a main consistent position.

So now that we've narrowed it down to "abortion is only justifiable in the case it will eliminate undesirable humans like our death squads" you now accept that as it stands in the Western world abortion is not justified, as it is not being used to serve as a eugenic tool alongside death squads. We've come to the same place then for different reasons, we both accept abortion is unjustifiable in its current form, and you with to see it refined to a justifiable form. Of course to do that first you'll need to make the public argument for the death squads, by all means make the death squads argument with detail on who they should target now that we've reached a ground of mutual understanding.

>>81286549
>you're not allowed to not like someone based on their opinions

You better not have said anything bad about anyone based on their opinions then, asshole.

>>81286105

Chinese conquest of the West when? Hell I might even take Muslims at this point.

>>81288378
>>81290479

Nigger how geoggraphically illiterate are you people? Nubia was in Sudan.

>>81292748
>Okay so since you're conceding all other points
I'm not, I just can't be bothered to actually argue this pointless shit on a board about television in a thread that's about to be archived.

Abortion always has an eugenic effect because it eliminates the offspring that'd be raised by unfit parents.
Unlike death squads, as much as I'd like to have them around, abortion is self-inflicted and a choice between all active participants.

I get why you're trying to tie abortion to something that won't ever be accepted by the public though, it's just pretty disingenuous and not really an argument.

I liked the whole early part of the special where he talks about how life isn't a 'gift' or 'magical', or more of a curse that you drudge through, and everyone around you are just people who decided to keep going instead of killing themselves yet.

I liked it because it's true and accurate, but a lot of people don't like to think that way or ever admit it.

>>81285496

Link to the show? Piratebay gives me nothing.

>>81292889
>I liked the whole early part of the special where he talks about how life isn't a 'gift' or 'magical', or more of a curse that you drudge through, and everyone around you are just people who decided to keep going instead of killing themselves yet.

Absolutely, and yet the guy goes and has children and forces the same curse upon them.

>>81292855
>I'm not
Well since you offered no adequate substantiation for them it's functionally the same.

>Abortion always has an eugenic effect because it eliminates the offspring that'd be raised by unfit parents.
However you conceded that it's only justified as a eugenic tool, which not every abortion is since not every one is genetically considered for improvement of human species. You've condemned all other abortions and abortion as it exists in the Western world today since it exists non-eugenically, it just may hit eugenic improvements sometimes while also making non-eugenic abortions. Your argument has to be for refining abortion to only eugenic decisions by doctors since right now it's not meeting your standards of eugenics.

>Unlike death squads, as much as I'd like to have them around, abortion is self-inflicted and a choice between all active participants.
That's wrong, the child does not inflict the abortion on itself, and it is not the child's choice, much like it would not be the genetically inferior's choice to be gunned down in the street by your death squads.

>I get why you're trying to tie abortion to something that won't ever be accepted by the public though, it's just pretty disingenuous and not really an argument.
I'm not doing that, you are. Don't start being intellectually dishonest now after impressing me so much.

>>81285496

>meanwhile brits get arrested for defending themselves against home invaders

>>81292997
>However you conceded that it's only justified as a eugenic tool
Does it not stop parents from having to raise a child they don't want?
Does it not prevent the tax payer having to support this child and their parents?

Just because there's a preverable alternative doesn't mean that these stop being a factor.

>not every one is genetically considered for improvement of human species
Do you think that people that'd get an abortion procreating would be an improvement of the human species?

>the child does not inflict the abortion on itself
Active participants, anon.

>>81293132
>Does it not stop parents from having to raise a child they don't want?
How about they use a fucking condom
How about they just 69
How about she gets on the pill
How about they fuck while she's on her period
How about they don't fuck
How about they do dozens of other things that could prevent or wouldn't result in a baby

This is the same kind argument fat people use, like it's fucking impossible to not drink a gallon of soda every day.

Some people deserve to get stuck with a fucking kid because they were too fucking stupid to be careful, that's just how it works, they deserve it.

>but the kid doesn't deserve it!

The kid also doesn't deserve to get wiped from existence before it really gets a chance to exist.

Seasons 1&2 of Louie were god tier comedy.

>abortion discussions on /tv/

lel

also that cuck cartoon earlier on was hilarious

>>81293217
Just because there's a preferable alternative doesn't mean that these stop being a factor.

>Some people deserve to get stuck with a fucking kid because they were too fucking stupid to be careful, that's just how it works, they deserve it.
There's as much basis for that as for me saying they deserve to kill their own offspring.

Why does it always come down to this emotional nonsense? Stop being so spiteful and just don't get an abortion if you don't want one. If you don't want to be fat I'm sure you know what to do as well.

>The kid also doesn't deserve to get wiped from existence before it really gets a chance to exist.
That contradicts itself.

>>81285752

My mum has a friend who has had 6 and has no remorse.

>>81293132
>Does it not stop parents from having to raise a child they don't want?
>Does it not prevent the tax payer having to support this child and their parents?
Read the post you quoted and you'll see I've already rebutted these questions in it.

>Just because there's a preverable alternative doesn't mean that these stop being a factor.
Yes they do since you now have to argue for the "killing a human" option over the "making better choices" option. Any time you have an option that involves killing someone and an option that involves no killing you're going to have to make some extra strong justifications for the killing option, which you haven't done.

>Do you think that people that'd get an abortion procreating would be an improvement of the human species?
I don't know their genetics and in order to argue eugenics you have to be evaluating the genetic make-up of the fetus before the abortion (and before the execution of undesirables by your proposed death squads). Also you're asking the wrong person since I'm not in favour of eugenics based killing of humans aka genocides, you are.

>Active participants, anon.
>abortion is self-inflicted and a choice between all active participants
So no it's not self-inflicted nor is it a choice for the person being aborted, who is an active participant in the abortion. If you're not classifying the person being killed as an active participant in the killing then once again you've come up with another "justification" that can be used to justify any killing which again is no justification at all. If I shoot a sleeping man in the head for no reason and then define him as not an active participant then I self-inflicted killing him upon myself and made the choice for him and since he's not an active participant his will and life are irrelevant under your code of ethics here.

>>81293285

Stupid people shouldn't just be able to lazily solve their problems.
Some whore who gets hammered and filled with jizz every weekend and needs to get like 4 abortions in 6 months shouldn't just have that right. There needs to be consequences, just like any other idiot or terrible person.

I bet his children hate him

>>81293325
>Some whore who gets hammered and filled with jizz every weekend and needs to get like 4 abortions in 6 months shouldn't just have that right. There needs to be consequences, just like any other idiot or terrible person.

Essentially this. You don't get to take human lives because you made shit choices, it's why we prosecute people for drunk driving instead of letting them off with "Haha that's okay you were drunk so you're not accountable for your choices made during that time".

>>81293321
>I've already rebutted these questions in it
You haven't, you just pointed to other options.

>Yes they do since you now have to argue for the "killing a human" option over the "making better choices" option.
Once we're dealing with pregnancy the "making better choices" isn't an option anymore. Killing a """human""" however is.

>I don't know their genetics
They're clearly not intelligent enough to plan on not getting pregnant.
Their offspring would carry those genes. Those genes being eliminated is a net benefit.

>So no it's not self-inflicted nor is it a choice for the person being aborted
Because the """person""" being aborted isn't an active participant. The abortion is self-inflicted because the abortion is carried out on the mother with her consent.

You could have an argument if that cell blob could live without the mother, but it can't.

>>81293325
>Stupid people shouldn't just be able to lazily solve their problems.
But smart people should suffer their offspring?

>There needs to be consequences
The consequence should be the financial strain the abortion costs. I'm not fine with tax funded birth control.

>>81293325
>needs to get like 4 abortions in 6 months

who is this goddess of fertility?

>>81293404
>You don't get to take human lives because you made shit choices
Man, too bad reality doesn't reflect the opinions of anons on the internet :^)

>>81293421
>The consequence should be the financial strain the abortion costs.

That's the equivalent of a rich kid's parents buying his way out of a DUI.

Abortion is used as a get-out-of-motherhood-free card 90% of the time, and that's a problem.

>oh but what about that news story I read about the guy who locked his daughter in a basement in like 1997 and got her pregnant, should she not be allowed to get an abortion????
Yes, because as we know, 6 in every 2 women is raped and impregnated by their father.
>oh but what about all those women who get raped bareback and filled with criminal DNA
This is also hilarious, because when has this ever happened? Not even violent ghetto crackheads are dumb enough to jizz all over or inside their victims

These arguments are like someone saying "but what about the 0.0000000000001% of convicted murderers who didn't actually do it? We need to make it more difficult to convict people of crimes!

Abortion is a broken system, making it more broken isn't the answer

>>81293421
>You haven't, you just pointed to other options.
Reread.

>Once we're dealing with pregnancy the "making better choices" isn't an option anymore. Killing a """human""" however is.
Yes and it's an option you haven't provided adequate justification for. One array of options involves not killing someone, the other array involves killing someone. Now again you need to make the case for killing someone over the non-killing a person options.

>They're clearly not intelligent enough to plan on not getting pregnant.
>Their offspring would carry those genes. Those genes being eliminated is a net benefit.
Even if we granted the net benefit for the sake of argument, the heritability of IQ is debated from 40% to 60%. However this would be a problem solved by your death squads since everyone under the desired level of IQ would be executed and thrown into mass graves in the killing fields under your moral code so once again just make the case for your death squads and then abortions will never be necessary in the first place.

>Because the """person""" being aborted isn't an active participant.
Neither is the sleeping man, hence, under your code, me being justified in shooting him in the head, hence your "justification" not being a justification since it enables almost anything, as I'd explained. Reread.

> The abortion is self-inflicted because the abortion is carried out on the mother with her consent.
No, the mother is not being aborted/killed, the person inside her is. The killing is carried out on the person inside the person. The person being killed did not consent to being killed. Neither did they inflict the death upon themselves.

>You could have an argument if that cell blob could live without the mother, but it can't.
That's a technologically deterministic argument and also irrelevant as to whether or not it is a human life.

>>81293521
>Abortion is used as a get-out-of-motherhood-free card 90% of the time, and that's a problem.
Why? Why do you want people like that to have children polluting our society so much?

>all those strawmen
idgaf

>>81293628

Because it's a punishment, similar to jail time.

>>81293598
>One array of options involves not killing someone, the other array involves killing someone.
But that's wrong. One array of options only prevents pregnancies, it has no solution for when a pregnancy happens. Then the only two options are either giving birth or having it killed. There's no reason to stop people from destroying their own combined genetic material. The only argument you could make is that the father should have more say, which I agree with, since it's half his.

>the heritability of IQ is debated from 40% to 60%
So? Even if it were only 1% it'd be better for that 1% stupidity to be wiped out, thus proving an eugenic effect.

The sleeping man is an actual self-sustaining, self-conscious human being though. I'm fine with you shooting a potato in the head.

>>81293647
Why should I have to suffer the punishment of a third party?
If you want to punish them, why not just kill them instead of having them ruin society with their offspring?

>>81293724

I would rather kill anyone who makes stupid decisions, if we're just going to have "kill someone" always be an option.

>>81293777
Well, we agree.

Until that happens though, isn't it better for their offspring not to exist than it existing and negatively affecting you?

>>81293822
Your argument is a stupid one to try and jam into the mainstream conversation, because you're working from the assumption that human life doesn't have inherent worth, while both sides of the mainstream argument are working from the assumption that it does.

>>81285845
>>81288093
>>81285560
she's not killing the man
she's killing the unwanted, uninvited baby
RIP

>>81293862
>Perform an act the sole purpose of which is to create a baby
>don't even use the protections that can prevent the sole purpose of this act from occurring
>Lol, why is there a baby growing now, it was like so uninvited!

>>81286105
liberals will justify absolutely everything and make "b-but it's harmles" excuse for absolutely fucking everything

>>81293822

No, because if a bitch is dumb enough to get pregnant "accidentally" it becomes her job to be a mother.

That was her choice.

If she was somehow raped and impregnated by some kind of fictional serial rapist impregnator thriller novel villain, she'd be given a morning after pill along with her rape kit at the hospital.

If she doesn't make any attempt to pursue police action, she's even dumber than a woman who intentionally has unprotected sex and doesn't want a child.

For the even more fictional "her father raped her and impregnated her" scenario, I'm at a loss. I guess you just burn down their house with all of them inside it.

>>81293902
>the sole purpose of which is to create a baby
haha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>81293706
It is the solution to pregnancy happening and the solution to unwanted pregnancies without killing anyone and you still haven't made justification for the killing option.

>There's no reason to stop people from destroying their own combined genetic material.
So you're in favour of parents being able to kill their children at all ages. At least you're consistent here. However You haven't provided justification for why parents should be able to kill another human just because it's their combined genetic material.

>The only argument you could make is that the father should have more say, which I agree with, since it's half his.
I agree that if abortion exists men should either have a say in it or also have an opt-out of parenthood option as well for equality but a feminist will never argue for this equality.

>So? Even if it were only 1% it'd be better for that 1% stupidity to be wiped out, thus proving an eugenic effect.
You've ignored the entire rest of that paragraph, I assume out of the convenience of avoiding having to be consistent.

>The sleeping man is an actual self-sustaining, self-conscious human being though. I'm fine with you shooting a potato in the head.
None of these were distinctions you'd made at any time before. The sleeping man is not self-conscious, he's asleep. He also cannot sustain himself while asleep. Neither are either of these things relevant to the case of abortion. Neither do either of these things negate the fact that your definition of an "active participant" can be used as "justification" for almost anything, making it not a justification.

Basically we can boil this all down to you just being in favour of genocide and abortion being used as a tool of genocide but not for other means. Please continue to be mostly intellectually honest and just make your argument for this instead of dicking around with other failed justifications.

>>81293902
>the only unwanted pregnancies are from sex without contraception use
what did he mean by this?

>>81293854
>because you're working from the assumption that human life doesn't have inherent worth
Why would it have an inherent worth?

>while both sides of the mainstream argument are working from the assumption that it does.
Why should I give a shit about "da maynstreem"? Looking at how abortion is legal and widely accepted, you don't give too many shits about it either.

>>81293970
Biologically, obviously. That is its function, so when you fuck with protection and *surprise* you have a functioning human body, the baby that develops isn't 'uninvited'.

>>81293970
yes anon, the literal purpose of sex is to procreate, it just so happens to feel pretty good

>>81293994

Name two other plausible reasons for unwanted pregnancy that aren't sensationalist fiction.

Protip: "She was raped" isn't such a reason, because to say that has never happened in a first world country with first world people is not a hyperbolic statement.

>>81294040
>your house is literally designed to shelter human beings, those B&E'ers aren't uninvited
I think you're struggling with the definition of "uninvited"

>>81293951
>No
Again, you're arguing that she should suffer - and I'm fine with that saying that she should be killed for her stupidity - but how do you justify her being punished leading to my suffering?

>>81294018
But thats a completely different argument that could be argued for hours and hours. Its like walking into an argument about whether cars or public transport are better, and saying it doesn't matter because the whole world is an illusion and we should just kill ourselves. Its great that you can feel smart, but nobody cares about your oddball logic.

>>81294066
>contraceptive failure
is a mighty big one
>to say that [rape] has never happened in a first world country with first world people is not a hyperbolic statement
lmao

>>81294055
>the literal purpose
!=
>the sole purpose

as highlighted in your own post, even.
today you learned?

>>81294068
>Ahahah, I just like, let a guy shoot his semen into my womb and got an egg fertilised, that doesn't mean its my fault I'm pregnant
>Ahaha, I just like put signs on my house asking people to enter and stay with me, that doesnt mean I invited them in

>>81293970
Performing an action by consent is consenting to the direct functions and results of that action (ex: pulling the trigger on a gun is the direct action by which bullets are fired from a gun, pulling the trigger on a gun is consenting to the results of a bullet being fired from that gun).

Having sex by consent is the direct action by which humans are created. Having sex by consent is consenting to a human being created, and humans being created is the direct result of sex and its function, like pulling the trigger on a gun.

Now you could fill the gun with blanks, you could put no bullets in the gun, you could put a bullet proof vest in front of it, however if you pull the trigger on the gun, if you willingly perform the action by which bullets are fired from the gun, you consent to responsibility of a bullet being fired from that gun. It is no different with people accepting the responsibility of a human being created during sex.

>>81293981
>and you still haven't made justification for the killing option.
Of course I have, here >>81292242
You just don't agree with it, and I'm ok with that. Your opinion is luckily inconsequentual seeing at how abortion is a-ok.

>You've ignored the entire rest of that paragraph
Because it's a non-argument. Is it eugenic? Yes. Does it matter how much eugenic it is to be eugenic? No.

>He also cannot sustain himself while asleep.
Of course he can, otherwise he'd be dead.

Have the blob removed from the mother without having its integrity harmed and it'd still die. Because it's not a human, it's just cells.

>Basically we can boil this all down to you just being in favour of genocide and abortion being used as a tool of genocide but not for other means.
Sure sure.