Let's talk about Arrival. I really liked it. I really enjoyed

It was a 6/10

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>>80994561
>It was a 6/10

>>80994533
The realization that the same director of Arrival is making the new Frank Herbert's Dune movie has me heaps exited. He sure knows to do plot, character and story instead of bland Hollywood action and humor.

>>80995545
Really? It has me the opposite. He does stylistically okay movies, with pedestrian, ordinary plots.

>>80995587
What is pedestrian or ordinary about Arrival?

>>80994533
I enjoyed it a lot as well, OP, but you should know this board hates it. Or maybe people here like it now. Whichever is more contrarian.

>>80997701
Why do they hate it? I've seen plenty of Oscar-winning movies that /tv/ loved. And I know for a fact that this board loves Sicario.

>>80994533
Expecting anything.

Found masterpiece.

FOTY 2016 for me. I loved it.

It's a 20 min short story drawn out for two hours.

A 5/10 for thinking it can get away with space odyssey pacing.

>>80999759
Most films try to cram 300-page books into a mere two hours, which is just not plausible.

It's a nice breath of fresh air to see a film that has the luxury to take its time.

Mm.

>>80994533
I mainly liked it because of the building tension which Villeneuve executes perfectly in basically all of his films and the execution of the first contact scene.
One of the best first contact scenes in cinema history. Also god tier sound design.

The narrative get's a little clunky midway and Renner and Whitaker characters were far too much underwritten. Amy was decent.

>>80994533
My experience was by and large the same as yours. However, as others have pointed out, /tv/ hates it so its hard to discuss it without the obligatory contrarian shitposters and shitposting fucking up the thread.

As a language nerd it was particularly interesting.

Why did they aliens send 12 ships?
Why did they have this contrived situation where humans would need to decode their language, they aren't smart enough to figure out human languages?

I liked it, nice message about enjoying the present.

Jeremy Renner is literally the only reason I refuse to watch this film.

>>81001799
A big part of the movie is the ayylmaos making us humans work together so we can help them in 3000 years, that's why they come in 12 ships.

If it was just one ship with a simple understandable message you think the government of that country would let anyone else know about it?
You think they would let Louise publish a single line about it too?

>>81001852
You refuse to watch it because it has a great actor in it? I don't get it.

>>81001473
The tension in Sicario was masterful. Not quite as good in this though but it's really his strong suit.

Hang on. What if the reason Donald Trump is trying to ally us with Russia is because of impending alien contact? Is Arrival foreshadowing the future?

Hmmm.

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>>81002029
>great actor

>>81003494
Yes, Jeremy Renner is a great actor.

Only one problem I have with this movie:
It assumes the viewer never ever watched a movie before.

Because when you present scenes of a small child and a women and immediately later this women, boy I though it was her child first time I saw her so 1 hour and a half in the movie girl goes "Who, who is that child why am I seeing this boo" I get what the movie was trying to poorly illustrate, that she NEVER was married and NEVER had a child. I felt 0 emotion for that twist.
In the movie, this is presented in a retarded manner.

Otherwise, I liked the octupuses-1 and the ink stuff

>>81004927
Huh? It actually does the opposite, it works with the assumption that the viewer has watched a lot of movies so they expect that scene was meant to be a flashback, then BOOM, they hit you with the reveal that it wasn't and you're like "Oh shit" and you spend the rest of the movie sorting it out. Yeah, they could have done it a bit more subtly than having her say "Who is this child" but then the average viewer wouldn't have gotten it. My mother still didn't and I had to explain it to her.

>>81004927
But she did marry and have a child. She married Jeremy Renner and had a kid with him, knowing full well that the kid would die early. This is why he left her. The point of the film is that the aliens perceive time differently. Its not A to B. There is no past or future. Its all happening simultaneously.

I liked it, it was comfy somehow. Girlfriend cried at the end when she got the twist so I had to convince her that I would tell her the future if I saw it

>>81005635
It really was comfy. It's nice to see an alien movie that is entirely about communicating with the aliens rather than sticking in some hamfisted excuse for action.

>>81005635
But then you didn't tell her? Liar

>>80994533
>Let's talk about Arrival
Let's not.

>>81004927
Is this some advanced 4D reverse baiting or are you actually retarded?

>>81006028
Too late nerd. Haha, owned.

>>80994533
This is bait right?

>expository word dump in the middle instead of showing by doing
>suddenly she's really good for no discernible reason except montage during word dump
>suddenly time loops, I ain't gotta explain shit

It all felt really hamfisted. Too easy. You undo the drama of a plot by saying "nobody was ever really in danger at all because time travel lol".

>>80994533
I liked it, too. Then I came to /tv/ and apparently I'm supposed to hate it. So fuck you, OP.

>>81006099
>time loop
>time travel
Thanks for making it obvious you didn't understand the film, now I don't have to waste time responding to you.

>>81006104
When it was released the vast majority of /tv/ loved it, whole catalog was filled with Arrival threads and "MOTY" as the OP post.

The hate came when the screenerfags saw it.

>>81006188
>screenerfags
What does this mean?

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>>81006140
>humans exist in 3 dimensions
>here's a magical """language""" that gives you access to 4
>this somehow doesn't constitute time travel

No anon, you're the retard.

>>81006245
People who saw the screener version, which was the first rip of Arrival available.
It's an atrocious 700mb video file with 96kbps audio, the only worse option is literally the cam rip.

>>81006295
There is no time travel in Arrival.
Only her perception of time changes where she "remembers" the future just like we remember our past in the form of memories.

She never leaves the current narrative, and you wouldn't say you "time travel" when you remember some childhood memory, would you?

>>81006335
Oh, that's horrible. No wonder they hated on it.

>>81006405
you might as well claim there is no time travel in quantum leap

>>81006527
You might as well just take a shotgun and blow your brains out.

>>81006405
You're arguing semantics. Being able to manipulate the fourth dimension is the definition of time travel. You're getting hung up on spatial coordinates. She's capable of moving information from one point in the fourth dimension to a different point. The information has traveled. To equate future memories with past experience is a specious notion at best anyway.

>>80994533
You must be very simple minded if a movie made to impress stupid people actually impressed you.

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>>80994533
When I first saw the trailer I thought it was going to be good, but when they showed the second trailer I noticed that there was almost no new footage and then I realized that the entire movie has just about no content to it.

Don't get me wrong. It's an entertaining movie. It was interesting how the daughter was her looking into the future, but it really isn't noteworthy.

>>81006641
She experiences time simultaneously. Time doesn't move from A to B, the way humans perceive it. Its happening all at once. The alien language lets her perceive it the same way as the aliens.

>>81006673
So this is what the /tv/ shitposting for this movie looks like. Predictably trite.

>>81006581
its cute how angry people get when they have no counter-arguments.

>>81006808
Then let's suppose it's this. This just further reinforces the point that the drama of the whole thing is drained clean out actually making the last act fairly ridiculous. If she's capable of perceiving every point in her personal timeline at once, then why is she even scared? Why is she panicking? She already knows how she gets out of this little snit, and she is instantaneously aware of just what she needs to say to get out of it. The drama becomes contrived ruining the whole climax of the film.

Remind me why this is a good film?

>>81006898
Is that why you're so mad?

>>81006913
It isn't likd she grasps the non linear language fully at once, you see her constantly getting struck by "visions" which she doesn't have a clue what they are about.

She clearly learns slowly what does "the gift" mean and how to use it, it's not like an immediately unlocked superpower at maximum potential.

>>81006913
It's a good film because it has an intriguing narrative, decent performances, great editing, top notch production design, framing and composition which supports the narrative, god tier sound design, great soundtrack and decent characters (excluding Renner and Whitaker)

Just because you didn't like "the twist" doesn't make all of these elements automatically bad.

>>81007165
Then it's just entirely coincidence that she's capable of remembering a 15 second snippet of conversation in the 5 second window she desperately needs to use her unwieldy and untested powers.

This makes it better.

>too easy
>hamfisted
>enjoy your gift-wrapped denouement

>>81006405
>>81006808
>>81007165
It's nice of you to put the effort in to spoonfeed that retard even though he's a stubborn asshole who cannot conceive of ever being wrong.

>>81007302
I'll give you all this. I enjoyed the parts of the movie. But the movie itself as an overall narrative is let down in the last act. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen, but it's certainly not oscar good (outside of several of those specific technical categories you listed).

>>81007371
>it's certainly not oscar good (outside of several of those specific technical categories you listed).
You realize that's why it won a SPECIFIC Oscar for a SPECIFIC category it excelled at, right? Where do you get off on calling it "not Oscar good"? Holy fucking shit.

>>81007323
>he came to a taiwanese massage school to circle jerk with everyone who agrees with him instead of engaging people with differing opinions in discussion

Fag.

>>81007410
>Where do you get off on calling it "not Oscar good"?

When I said the story falls apart in the last act. It's cool if you don't agree, but try not to shit out your organs disagreeing with me so hard friend :^)

>>81007468
Respond to the whole fucking post, you dumb cunt.

@81007422
>he typed out this extremely bitter post and won't even get a (you) for it

>>80997512
Nothing really happens. Very boring film if you have seen Sci fis that came before.

>>81007305
By then she already had a ton of these "vision" experiences and already told Renner that she understands what is their "gift" so it's clear (just like it's clear to the viewer) that she started to grasp what the gift is and how can she use it.
You don't see her "scared" or "panicking" like you said by the chinese general phone scene because she knows what she has to do, even if it means getting almost shot at.

Feel free to ask more questions if you are still confused

>>81007536
The whole reason Arrival is so well received is because it's a completely different type of film from sci-fis that came before. "Nothing happens" is also an empty criticism that tends to mean "It wasn't filled with action scenes and explosions so I zoned out."

>>81007527
>he's so bitter he won't even (you), but replies anyway because he can't help himself

>>81007593
It was a film for women. My gf enjoyed it very much.

Heh, got another (you) for free.

>>81007593
negro its success is middling at best it just had no budget so it turned a fair profit

most people called it on it's bullshit

>>81007685
>8.1/10 on IMDb
>94% on RT, certified fresh
>98% on RT from top critics
>83% audience approval on RT
>81% Metascore
>Grossed more than quadruple it's production budget
>Nominated for 8 Oscars including Best Picture, won in Sound Editing
>"its success is middling at best"

sure thing buddy

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>>81007685
Its modest budget for a sci-fi film is one of the many reasons why I respect it. Pouring $400 million into another soulless action film that will be forgotten within a few months is completely idiotic. They had the right idea with Arrival.
>most people called it on its bullshit
Hmm, false. This is one of the rare films that was appreciated by both the critics and the audience. See the image.

>>81007670
I'll take this to mean that women like films that encourage the viewer to think while men just like mind-numbing action. We truly are the superior gender.

>>81007837
Idiocracy is happening for real. Arrival had nothing and it's been praised by the teeming masses of retards. It's financial success us due to timing it's release to lack competition, marketing and the low IQ's of the people that will go to the cinema regardless of what is on.

Life is better

Calvin >>>>>> Tom and Jerry

>>81007910
Whatever makes you feel better. It's a boring film. I thought less of my gf for enjoying it but she is 8 years younger than me. I'm slowly introducing her to good Sci fi.

>>81007937
>Arrival had nothing
My friend, it's clearly your brain that has nothing if you don't understand what Arrival had. You need to think long and hard about why you voted for Donald Trump.

>>81007971
>Whatever makes you feel better.
Thanks for admitting that you men exist solely for our pleasure. I knew you'd come around.

>>81007993
It didn't have the action and spectacle of a traditional Hollywood Sci fi and if you think it was deep you are simple.

>>81007937
Pulp Fiction and Fight Club are also overpraised by the teeming masses of retards, but that alone doesn't make the films bad.

Seems to me that you hate the people who like the film more than you hate the actual film.

>>80994533
I really liked the first half, somewhat original aliens and their language, but I could see the twist coming right from the moment they mentioned time and ended up not really liking the way they handed the end with the chinese general and shit. Still interesting to watch though. 7/10

the real question of the movie is how some ayylmaos with 4d vision and interdimensional ships expect the humans to help them, we cant even get our shit together in the middle east in 3000 years we will be dust

>no tentacle sex

0/10 OP

The only good thing is how hot Amy Adams is

>>81008040
>a film needs action to be deep
Typical plebeian thought process.

>>81008032
You are trying way to hard.

>>81008153
>I can't read
Kek

>>81008089
If humans stop following all religions we'll have a chance. Confirmation of advanced alien life that doesn't believe in some spirit in the heavens could spark that transition.

>>81008089
By giving us the gift of the non linear language they literally made us get our shit together.

If you would know your whole life from start to finish you would find beauty and joy from the smallest bits of moments in a day which you may take now for granted.
There is no fear of "omg world war three is coming" because all of humanity knows their whole life from start to finish.

>>81008156
If you don't have anything to say to my objective facts, then stop posting.

>>81008190
>Kek
Typical plebeian laughter.

>>81008300
You need to try less hard. Also arrival was a deep film for Americans. Retards in other words.

>>80994533
>Let's talk about Arrival.

Shit movie that's basically a Twilight Zone episode with more melodrama.

>>81008354
You're the one who is trying too hard since you can't stop replying despite getting thoroughly BTFO and having no retort.

>>81008354
Please say actual arguments about the film, not about the people who overpraise the film.

>>81006099
I'll never understand why some people get so triggered by exposition. Especially when these same people make it clear they don't know what's going on.

You apparently could have used some more exposition.

>>81008397
I can just keep pointing out that only dumb teenagers found this film complicated or deep and I can be sure that I am hurting feelings.

>>81008236
Something like that. The film (and short story) addressed the free will question in an interesting way. She knew everything that would happen and chose not to change it. I think it was a bit selfish of her to have a kid she knew would die and cause her husband great heartbreak at the loss of a child just so she could have memories of being a mother.

>>81008227
religion is also a way to keep the masses subdued and docile, if everyone suddenly realized there's nothing at the end and how unfair life is most people wouldnt take it well to say the least.

>>81008236
wouldnt that make life really boring and sterile? it would turn us into machines that know everything

>>81008480
Ah, so you admit it. You aren't here to discuss the film, you just want to try and rile people up.

Unlike you, we aren't teenagers, so we aren't affected by your banal prodding. You made a mistake admitting it, because now we know you're the one who feels hurt.

>>81008582
Lol thanks for all that.

>>81007302
>decent characters (excluding Renner and Whitaker)
I'll admit that he could have had more characterization than he did, but I still liked Renner's character. He was a nice guy, and there's a subtle appeal to how he was written because you get to speculate about what kind of a husband/father he was, and so on.

>>81008662
It's nowhere near as nice as the gift you gave me. Knowing you're just a hurt child really put your posts into perspective.

>>81008514
There is no other choice available, she never could've changed her decisions because all of the past, present and future decisions are interconnected and experienced at the same time.
She only decided to embrace the premature death of her child and appreciate every waking moment while she is alive, she thinks the moments they had together are worth living for.

Here's an excerpt from an interview with Villeneuve to maybe clear things up for you:
>"The idea is that the heptapods see life like a [scripted] play. They know what will happen, so they have the choice — either they do it bored to death, or they embrace it and try to be at their best, like an actor on a stage."

Arrival is part of a recent series of movies I'd describe as Dunning-Kruger Sci-Fi. Along with Interstellar and to a somewhat lesser extent The Martian, they perfectly play to the crowd that fancies themselves as (and, to be fair, may truly be) smarter than average audiences but are not as smart as genuinely "smart people." They are movies designed to make the audience feel smart by introducing complicated and heady concepts, and then holding the viewer's hand the entire way through until there is next to nothing to be left up to interpretation.

If you didn't already know the twist in Arrival by the time she was in the milky section of the ship with the aliens AT LEAST, you perfectly fit the audience I am talking about.

There is no reward for being smart while viewing these movies because everything is eventually spelled out in big fridge magnet letters. Any clever idea is made so transparent that even the most simple in the audience will get it. It also removes any reward for rewatching or trying to figure out what you just saw.

Granted, there is a difference between Arrival and Interstellar. I think where Interstellar was pretending to have a brain it actually didn't have, Arrival has a brain that it is refusing to let the audience use.

Completely disappointing movie.

Also
>so that just happened

>>81008809
This looks like pasta but I completely agree with it.

>>81008809
>so that just happened
>*freeze frame*
>*record scratch*

>>81008809
again the stale overused "hehe the people who enjoy Arrival are STUPID" pasta

make actual arguments about the film, not about the people who overpraise the film

>>81008855
Then you'd be wrong.

>>81008876
It's too simple a plot.

>>81008905
It's pretty complex.

>>81008905
Why should the plot be "deep"? Is a film good only when it's "deep"?

>>81008764
>"The idea is that the heptapods see life like a [scripted] play. They know what will happen, so they have the choice — either they do it bored to death, or they embrace it and try to be at their best, like an actor on a stage."
Kind of reminds me of Undertale, actually. Think Villenueve was influenced by it?

>>81007937
Mate, you are one autistic cunt. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who have to interact with you on a daily basis.

>>81009211
its really sad when people with no understanding of higher concepts try to speak on them. especially when others see them as a sort of authority and parrot their idiocy.

I like the way the aliens brought 12 spaceships and did a terrible job of communicating their peaceful intentions for no logical reason other than to further the plot.

>>81009487
Like who?

>>81009546
here's your answer, it's quite obvious >>81001934

>>81009211
>Kind of reminds me of Undertale, actually. Think Villenueve was influenced by it?
Explains why the movie was shit then.

>>81009432
You liked a very simple film and you thought it was intellectual. Good for you.

>>81009697
So a movie has to be "le deep" to be good right?

>>81009432
>>81009749
Lol at you retards.

Arrival's an OK flick.

Borrowed waaaaay to much on Interstellar though.

>>81009831
You're trying too hard.

>>81009896
Actually, the story Arrival is based on was written in 1998, so it's more accurate to call Interstallar a ripoff of Arrival.

>>81009962
Linking butthurt posts is easy.

>>81010149
Yeah, all I'd have to do is link all of yours.

>>81010293
Do it.

>>81010466
Do it yourself.

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>>81001852
too problematic for you

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>>81006527
but he was really time traveling in Quantum Leap

Amy Adams never turned blue and vanished

>>81011927
I used to think Scott Bakula was squinty and annoying but Quantum Leap makes me feel sorry for him.

>>81012024
why does Quantum Leap make you feel sorry for Scott Bakula, anonymous?

>>81012094
Because he had a hard life.

>>81012128
>TV star had a hard life

In what way?

>>81012145
He constantly teleported into the bodies of various people and never had a moment's rest.

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>>81012123
I'm afraid I don't understand this reference.

>>81012769
It's dignity! Gah! Don't you even know dignity when you see it?

>>80994533
Only contrarians, retards and retard contrarians didn't appreciate this film.