Doctor Who General - /who/ - The General's General Edition

>>80965536
Gross, no

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is he the monk /who/?

>>80965536
>A literal sheboon

Reminder there's a club scene in the Pilot and Bill and the Doctor dance to 'Too Shy'.

>>80965696
le fake spoilerinos

https://twitter.com/DrWhoOnline/status/846319608843943936

:O

>>80965960
>Too Shy confirmed

BASED

The general was a tragedy... Ken Bones was based as the bald old male General, I aint even mad they made him a woman, i'm mad that they replaced such a great and GOAT actor with a talent less hack simply because she was black and female.

>>80966742
the general was a lame stand-in for Rassilon anyway, since Moffat couldn't really revisit the High Council in the 50th without getting Dalton at least back

How long till Matt Whelan has a full meltdown?

>>80966876
when the actor playing 13 and chibnall tells him and #dwsr nutters to fuck off

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>>80966927

>>80966927
MELTDOWN
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>>80966925
Think the new Doctor will be briefed on DWSR? I'm certain whatever show they were on before never had anything like them

>>80967042
Why's he fucking Doctor Who fans?

>>80967042
***** them. Bunch of *****s.

>>80967065
Why do the BBC tolerate them / why do the cast be friendly with them? All they do is spoil shit and annoy everyone actually working.

>>80967065
>>80967156
Agreed. The new guy will most definitely be briefed on the fans who come to watch. No clue why they don't increase security though. Who cares if they upset a whole 10 fans.

>>80966927
Oh, who cares Matt. Grow the fuck up.

>>80967156
Peter Capaldi is just a nice guy as is Matt Smith and Pearl, Peter looks intimidating but is a sweetheart and has a lot of patience apparently.

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Adam wants Pearl's V.

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>>80967344
Adam wants the Pearl's V.

>>80967344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-HsqArxhWU
#dwsr

>>80967268
You'd need to. A lot of actors would just wanna crack on with the filming and keep themselves to themselves. This didnt really happen til Twitter.

Some dedicated fans went to watch some late RTD stuff being filmed, but they were a lot more professional than these idiots, were respectful and didn't ask for selfies and photos 8643753872 times

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>>80967268
Can you imagine if they'd been around in 2005 and started hassling Eccleston for autographs and shit? There'd be a little trail of camera lenses and combover strands leading out the street...

>>80967156
This. And the more they let it go, the crazier they get.

Don't worry, he has no desire to enter your place of residence.

>reeeing.jpg

anyone got a link to the power of the daleks animated?

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>>80968473
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>>80969029
primewire ag/watch-2785533-Doctor-Who-The-Power-of-the-Daleks-online-free

>>80968943
I really liked Ten. His last specials are some of my favorite who episodes.

People always refer to Seven or Nine as being the darkest doctors but it's Ten by a really long run and those episodes highlighted it.

>"I don't want to go."
I hate how people (especially teens and normies) interpret this line as a bad way to go. But it's one of the saddest lines in the history of the show. The 50th special poked a bit of fun at it but the essence stayed the same.

He's let go of so much that he was too scared to let go of the only thing that remains.

>>80968473
>He started out as a man full of hope and love - and tries to remain as such
>no second chances

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>>80968473
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>>80969114
get your tits out

>>80969130
Seven literally committed genocide multiple times with no remorse. Ten is not darker than him. War is not darker than him. He's unquestionably the darkest Doctor.

>>80969130
>People always refer to Seven or Nine as being the darkest doctors but it's Ten by a really long run and those episodes highlighted it.

This is how you spot someone who's never actually watched pre-Tennant Who.

>>80967042
Congrats /who/, you've ruined him.

Guys. Did we break Matt Whelan getting him banned off GB? He seems to have completely lost it

>>80969469
He did this to himself.

Literally the best twist of Series 9.

https://youtu.be/7pEFqVi-6QU

>>80969610
Ok Mark

>>80969610
Good twist, bad story.

>>80969610
>instant classic
yeh feck off mark

I'm lost. Whos Matt Whelan?

>>80969918
A twat.

>>80969918
>not knowing who BASED Wheelan is

You insignificant specimen. jk

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What did he mean by this?

>>80970147
That he's lost control of his sphincter over the years

>>80970285
>>80970147
AIDS.

>>80970310
Between that, age and the buttfucking, the poor guy's been left incontinent.

>>80970285
JUST

>>80969918
Another cowardly, jealous little faggot who was BTFO by based Adam and ran away crying

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REMINDER

Orford > Whelan

>>80970808
Jesus that's creepy.

>>80970808
REMINDER

Diabetes>Leukemia

>>80969080
>>80969183
What happen?

>>80970859
>>80970147

REMINDER

Farts > Big Finish

>>80970808
Someone should print this and ask him to autograph it

>>80970879
someone was spamming the copypasta about "i don't understand why people hate on 10 he has great character development etc"

>>80970879
You were reeing and it gotten erased

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>64 replies
>11 posters

>>80970808
We need an updated version

>>80970808
>I own that Dalek t-shirt in the top right
lucky I decided to stop wearing Who related clothing three years ago

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What do you think the build-up to regeneration and regeneration itself feels like?

>>80970808
why is adam allowed to touch capaldi's costume during filming? what if he rubs wotsit dust on it?

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>>80971341

>>80971338
According to 10 it feels like dying. Although 5's regeneration felt "different" and he thought he might be dying. So idk.

>>80971378
Why is he allowed to rub his armpits on Peter?

>>80970808
It's always funny to see fan pics with RTD.

With his stars (especially Tennant and Barrowman), he always slouches down to make them look taller, which I don't think is even conscious. But when you see a pic of him with a fan, you're reminded that the man is a scary 2m 125kg giant.

>>80971338
It feels like something a cultured young lady doesn't want to experience in mixed company. Why else did Romana leave the room to get a little privacy between each new body when she was regenerating?

>>80971443
Stop crying, Billy.

>>80971338
>Build-up

Probably a feeling of convulsion/inevitable buildup like trying to hold back a hiccup or cough, but deeper and probably all over the body with a warm fire-y feeling inside. Perhaps a soothing/drowsy sensation too.

>Regeneration itself

Explosion of intense warmth, rushing dizzyness and confusion, massive burst of energy/feeling of renewal and I imagine when its over it feels like stepping out of a sauna or hot shower.

>>80971458
>tfw RTD will never beat you up at the school yard

>>80971409
I think 10 meant it in more of an "Ego death" kinda way instead of literally. As in the personality changes so much that it might as well not be you.

I've been trying to wrap my head around it really. I guess regeneration, psychologically, is like if you suddenly transformed into yourself ten years from now or ten years prior? So like, it's still "You" but a different version of you. I was a very different person ten years ago, with different opinions, tastes, quirks etc and I'm sure it will be the same in 10 years, but obviously I'm still "me".

I have just heard that there will not be an on screen regeneration scene for 12 - 13

>>80971600
But there's definitely a lot more change between two incarnations of the Doctor than over 10 years of a normal human life.

Even the trivial things—do you know anyone at 32 who hates all the food he liked at 22?

But the big stuff too. Sure, the basic core "never cruel or cowardly, never give up, never give in" is always there, but look at 10's "a man who never would" speech. It's hard to imagine 2 or 11 giving that speech, or even really understanding it. Or 5, for almost the opposite reason (it's hard to imagine him noticing a desire to murder in revenge in the first place).

>>80965536
Favorite OldWho cliches?
>the confused groundskeeper/fox hunter/hobo who discovers the monster first and tries to investigate it throughout each part of the serial until he gets killed by it

>>80971781
lies. they confirmed chibnall is writing the first lines of te new doctor

>>80971338
I've always imagined it to be a bit like a seizure. An overwhelming black fog that creeps over your body and consciousness, persisting no matter how hard you fight or try to delay it, advancing with every heart beat until you're viewing the world through a pinhole and then nothing, just darkness.
Coming back is like being shot out of cannon into a star-field of light, shapes forming out of nothing, sparking with some kind of energy, feeling like you're inhaling ice or some kind fire that oozes to your extremities, feeling almost electrified, and basically high as hell for a couple of hours afterwards. Sometimes acting erratically or saying things that don't really make sense.

>>80971913
I loved the way Claws of Axos got that whole thing done in two scenes at the start of episode 1. Just as you're thinking, "Holy shit, are we going to have to watch Derek Ware doing this all month?" the Axons declare him too stupid to live and that's it.

Chibnall is writing the Christmas ep after the suprise regen in the 10th planet homage story

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What did he mean by this?

>>80971913
apart from Sam Seeley and Pigbin Josh, who actually gets killed almost right away, can you name any other examples?

The Cyberman face in the trailer is Bill.

>>80971884
Suppose it gives 10 a little more leeway with his moaning and mopeyness.

10 didn't have a very long lifespan and it seemed like he enjoyed being the energetic swashbuckling heartthrob, so suddenly having that come to a crashing end must be pretty disappointing and the fact that he was entering his final incarnation.

Was 10 the incarnation the Doctor was most attached to?

>>80972060
The poacher from Pyramids and Mister 'Ollis from Three Doctors

>>80972060
Clements in Pyramids of Mars

https://twitter.com/RealMattLucas/status/846386065162326016
What did he mean by this?

>>80972293
The poacher is just trapped, he does no investigation.
Ollis doesn't get killed.

but this still is only 4 times in 54 years

>>80972350
John Lydon supports Trump now.

>>80972349
Clements is also necessary for the plot. The explosives have to come from somewhere.

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>>80971963
He's having every cell in his body die and rewritten. It's painful. I imagine it's an intense burning, but not one that he's completely conscious of. I imagine the brain blocks a lot of it out.

>>80972243
I think he was most attached to 7, but not so much for the personal reason that he enjoyed being 7 as because he didn't believe the universe could survive without him. Although he obviously did mellow out a bit toward the end, as seen in the TV movie.

For personal reasons, there's 1, who complained that his body was wearing thin, but still held out until he couldn't go on anymore.

And then there's 6, who stubbornly resisted his earlier incarnation wanting him to die because they were afraid he was going to become the Valeyard and his next incarnation trying to get him killed so he could come into existence and become Time's Champion.

>>80972411
>There’s many, many problems with [Trump] as a human being, but he’s not [racist], and there just might be a chance something good will come out of that situation.
I'd hardly call that "supporting" him.

>>80972656
Yes it is.

>>80972683
If I said you were a terrible person with many, many things wrong with you as a human being, but there just might be a chance something good will come out of your existence, would you take that as a compliment?

>>80972725
Fuck off cats

>>80972609
>For personal reasons, there's 1

He's referred to him being 1 like someone does their goth stage when they're a teenager though. I recall something like 1 being grumpy and self-important in the Doctor's eyes because he was young and trying to be grown up.

I think it makes sense to hold onto your first body for as long as possible desu, and then regret it later.

Nyssa or Tegan /who/?

>>80972350
Johnny Rotten is a twat. He'd be the first person to tell you that. And I'm sure he thinks it's hilarious that anyone's interested in his opinions about anything other than how to be a twat.

>>80972855
But that first time you consciously build an identity for yourself—are you ever as attached to your identity as you were then?

Every punk kid says "I'm gonna stay hardcore until I die, and if I don't, kill me". No middle-aged man says "I'm gonna stay a PTA organizer, monthly softball club member, and moderate Republican until I die, and if I don't, kill me".

>>80972975
>But that first time you consciously build an identity for yourself—are you ever as attached to your identity as you were then?

In the Doctor's case, yes, because unlike normal people his various personalities aren't a result of personality development and slow eventual changes, they're literally dice rolls. I think he's ultimately more pleased by some than others.

I think the curator makes it clear that Four was his secret favourite, probably the one he looks on as the most fondly and the "Golden years". If there were any incarnation he was nostalgiac for, it'd be Four.

>>80972498
Seizures aren't exactly painless.However the impending loss of consciousness and the fear associated with it generally supersedes all of that.You get a pretty decent endorphin high out of it. Muscles ache for a day or so afterward, like after an intense work out.
It can't exactly be a fun experience regardless.

>>80973046
How often do you have seizures?

>>80973103
Depends on my stress levels or potential triggers, but I'm usually good for one a month.

>>80973042
Wait, are we talking about the one he was most attached to at the time, the one he's retroactively fondest of, or the one he'd most like to return to if forced to make a choice?

Because they're pretty different things, and I think 10 is high on the list for the first one, but pretty low on the other two.

>>80973194
woah what triggers those things?

>>80973194
Are you seizures pretty consistent in severity, or variable?

A friend of mine who had a seizure disorder told me that the most pleasurable thing in life was the relief when she felt a seizure coming on but then realized it was going to be a tiny one. And that wasn't just hyperbole; she sometimes skipped her meds for a few days in hopes of getting a tiny seizure, even knowing that it could lead to a really bad one.

For the relief to be that intense, I'd hate to imagine how horrible a bad seizure must feel.

>>80973223
Anything that makes me anxious or makes my adrenaline spike. The one guaranteed thing is to talk to me about medical procedures especially when applied to me or someone I care about. I have to hear it though, like text is fine.
>>80973313
Pretty variable. Sometimes i just like pass out or just seemingly stare off for a long period of time, Sometimes it's a grand mal and I'm shaking, foaming at the mouth and pissing myself. I don't think i've ever felt that kind of relief that it was a tiny one, not to go as far to try and precipitate one. They're too scary for that. I've had pretty serious head injuries from falling etc.

He's not very bright is he...

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>>80971338
You know that tingling feeling whenever you spend a lot of time not moving your feet/hands?
That, but in your entire body.

Gatiss has already found a new gig

https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/846444217211768833

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Adam the madman

>>80974400
>Chibnall's erased Gatiss

Gareth's coming back!

>>80974459
BASED ADAM
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>>80974400
Wow, Gatiss is twice as RTD as RTD, who only wanted to do four drama and documentary series about different aspects of being gay at different times in Britain's recent history.

>>80974459
Doesn't Adam know the risks he's taking? Matt has the power to call him an insignificant specimen, and he's not afraid to use it!

>>80974459
The irony.

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Sup Dr Who General

Who would you absolutely NEVER cast as the next doctor?
Who could they cast that would absolutely trigger all Dr Who fans? I'm really curious.
I don't mean stuff like ''some mexican or something'' either, I mean specific people. Name that one actor

@blackcapchicka BTFO by BASED Adam again!

>>80974663
That's Cats! Crying!

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>>80971963
>An overwhelming black fog that creeps over your body and consciousness, persisting no matter how hard you fight or try to delay it, advancing with every heart beat until you're viewing the world through a pinhole and then nothing, just darkness.

>>80974647
Andrew Garfield. He'd never be the Doctor. Too big a name. Nah. Never ever.

...Right?

;)

>>80974647
Tyga

>>80974459
is there a way for this to end in mutually assured destruction??????????

>>80974459
haha they send him to get coffees and shit talk behind his back

>>80974720
Is it really cats? He just can't catch a break

>>80974867
I was gonna mockingly say it's like a highschool drama but then I realised most of them are teenagers anyway. Don't they have A-levels to do?

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Torchwood has been ERASED from US Netflix.

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Matt strikes back

>>80974901
Cats is dead IIRC

>>80974901
blackcapchicka? yes, check out the followers.

they have given him out.

>>80974647
It's a tie between Anne Hathaway and Keanu Reeves. If Anne does her terrible fake Northern accent instead of her terrible fake RP accent, she wins.

>>80974967
I think Adam has a lot of evidence for a civil court case against this psychopath.

i hope he reports him you the police.

>>80974994
Too many accusations for him, not enough forced shitposts

>>80975088
unconvincing, cats

>>80975128
Oh I didn't realise it was (You)

>>80975068
I don't think he could win a case—but he could get an injunction against harassment (sort of the UK equivalent of a restraining order outside family-law cases).

Which would put Matt under pretty harsh restrictions if he ever intentionally shows up anywhere he should expect Adam will be. Like, say, Doctor Who filming.

>>80972049
"please buy my fanfic"

>>80974976
The cat is dead. Bury it

Is this The Last Great Orford/Whelan War?
>>80974459
>>80974967

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>>80975011
>Anne Hathaway

Would the general Dr Who audience be willing to accept a female doctor?

>>80975186
who are you?

>>80975186
He's hardly harassing him. It's just a twitter spat. Plus isn't Matt under 18?

>>80975271
you sound scared, matt

>>80975210
Who will win? I've got my bets on Whelan, but in war there are no true winners, only survivors

>>80972049
Ha I didn't notice Capaldi in this photo before

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Don't you think they look tired?

>>80975427
Why is Bill wearing what appears to be torn Mondasian cyberman bandages on her legs???

>>80975484
I was literally about to ask this.

>>80975323
There'll be a scene in S10 of the Doctor/Bill walking, and we'll see Adam/Matt fighting in the background

>>80975243
Depends who it is. Tilda would be great. Olivia Colman would probably be great. Hayley could be amazing or terrible, depending on how they write her.

On the other hand, Phoebe Waller-Bridge seems like a mediocre choice at best. (By the way, she's surged in betting all weekend, and is now ahead of Kris Marshall at most sites.)

And Anne Hathaway would be terrible in every possible way.

>>80975484
It's called FASHION

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>>80972049
What the fuck is this

>>80975257
I'm you. Stop samefagging.

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>>80975427
whose the qt in the middle?
>tfw no cute gf to snuggle up with and watch moffkino

>>80975693
That's Bill. She serves chips!

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Post your face when there's an Earth Bill and a Mondasian Bill version

>>80975427
>that scar
VNALEVELDARK
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AND THE SHEPHERD BOY SAYS

>>80975872
Thanks for ruining my night.

>>80975551
*distant reeeing*

>>80975551
>tfw Adam and Matt are canon and you aren't

>>80975803
KINO CONFIRMED

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>Series 10 finale
>GOAT episode
>Clever storytelling, emotional character arcs/conclusions and the best Cyberman story since Earthshock
>The perfect swan song for Capaldi
>Suddenly
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOtCLOXgm8

post yfw when

>>80975948
are you running away again?

Running, running, running
Running, running, running

Ain't running from myself no more

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>>80965536

What is the appeal of Dr. Who?

>the story is fairly mixed and he doesn't ever go to interesting places
>the actors are all ugos
>the effects kind of suck

Is their anything redeeming except for the acting & accent?

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>>80976211
>Is their anything redeeming except for the acting & accent?
qt's

>>80976066
Still the laziest meme /who/'s ever indulged in
You could have picked something Moffat has'nt used in Sherlock already.

>>80976211
There are lots of stories and sometimes they are entertaining.

>>80976343
>You could have picked something Moffat has'nt used in Sherlock already

12 and Sherlock are basically the same character. He reuses a lot of things.

Does anyone happen to have this torrent:
http://audiobookbay.me/audio-books/doctor-who-big-finish-large-collection-multiple/
If you do could you seed it plz

>>80972609
>And then there's 6, who stubbornly resisted his earlier incarnation wanting him to die because they were afraid he was going to become the Valeyard and his next incarnation trying to get him killed so he could come into existence and become Time's Champion.

Ok so I knew about the whole 7 trying to murder him bit but what's the start about?

>>80977329
The two go together, from the same handful of VNAs, mostly Head Games and Room with No Doors.

7 colluded with the first 5 incarnations to kill off 6 and then lock away even his memory. But 7 feels guilty about this because, while 1-5 were trying to prevent 6 from becoming the Valeyard, he was just using them because he wanted to be born so he could become Time's Champion, and in fact that guilt is what's going to create the Valeyard.

Of course as soon as 7 considers that he may have actively manipulated his past incarnations, he decides that would be impossible, and the whole doors thing must have been a delusion brought on by fear.

And it's also not clear how this fits in with Spiral Scratch and The Last Adventure, both of which contradict the image in Love and War that all the other NA stuff was based on. If the whole flashback where he was schizophrenically trying to commit suicide by tractor beam with one hand and trying to activate the HADS with the other never happened, than all the rest must be a delusion.

>>80975427
What's interesting is that this is actually genuine persuasion that works in real life as long as the target has some quality that can be associated with tiredness through confirmation bias

>>80974994
she doesnt follow cloister or boyish numbers or the other way round.

>>80979045
does adam know about boyish?

>>80979149
Probably has them blocked.

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wew what's this

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>>80978889
Don't you think he looks tired?

How many /who/ related Twitters accounts or users are there exactly? Boyish, cloister, blackcapchicka. Any others?

>>80979403
blackcapchicka isn't /who/ related.

>>80979254
funny thing is, it was an attack he actually used on hillary during the campaign - and with moderate success even. It likely contributed to her just missing out on the electoral college votes in some of the tight states
I don't think it works as well on trump because he has a reputation for tweeting at 3am and there's a constant outpour on the news of all the shit he does every day. I'm sure pictures are good enough for confirmation bias for some, especially for people who already hate the guy, but other facts don't match up with that narrative anywhere near as well compared to hillary who would go days without being seen anywhere let alone having campaign events

>>80979403
Gareth Roberts Fans

>>80979556
>twitter avatar is "manly numbers"
>not /who/ related
could it be true? we're not the only ones who make fun of her?

>>80979565
Nah, jobs and the economy made Hillary miss out.

>>80979655
There was more than one reason and definitely some more important ones, but I think it made at least a small impact (even if it was just some hillary supporters staying home because they weren't excited enough about her to vote)

>>80979565
Trump has a majority republican congress and senate and he can't even pass his own bills. I think he looks tired desu.

>>80979743
Funny how confirmation bias works innit

>>80979790
I don't think you know what that phrase means desu

>>80979743
>muslim ban blocked
>second ban blocked
>health care flopped
>hasn't brought back any jobs
>going to mar lago every weekend

he's tired. you can tell hes sick of being president. there's no way he makes it two terms.

So about that Doctor Who show huh? Anyone seen it? Pretty shit desu.

>>80979940
doubt he'd even run, given the chance to drop out

the guy hates being president, he just wants to mooch all day being rich and shit

>>80979973
Agreed, that's why we're all talking about Trump instead, at least U.S politics is entertaining unlike this meme kids' show.

>>80980010
Tbf Daleks in Manhattan was a pretty good episode. Probably the only good episode though.

>>80979851
You've come to one specific conclusion based on your pre-existing world view. Other people have come to different conclusions based on their own world views (eg the failure was planned and was a necessary part of negotiation to bring everyone to accepting the middle ground a la "art of the deal")
There is no way for an external observer (that includes you and most other people) to know which is true - despite this, you latched onto the explanation that you liked the most due to it fitting what you already believed. That's confirmation bias, and everybody does it.

>>80976549
Lemme check

now that sesame street has an autist, do you think doctor who will have an autistic character?

>>80976549
Dammit I don't, I used to but the hard drive I had with it got fucked. I've been trying to get back some older Big Finish stuff lately and so many of the torrents are dead :/

I have a Mega link with a lot of the early main range stories if you'd like that?

>>80980180
but it already has

>>80980222
who?

>>80980094
How do you know what I believe? What is it you think I believe?

Also

>(eg the failure was planned and was a necessary part of negotiation to bring everyone to accepting the middle ground a la "art of the deal")

Except the problem was that many traditional Republicans felt that it didn't go far enough. They won't accept a moderate middle ground that softens the edges of the existing proposal when they think the repeal bill as it is doesn't do enough.

Did it piss anyone else severely that Doom Coalition doesn't conclude its own arcs? The next 8 series will have to basically be Doom Coalition 5 to tie up all the unresolved plotlines at the end of 4. Really annoyed me. His Charley stuff, his EDAs, Dark Eyes, they all end properly. Doom Coalition doesn't.

>>80980273
>>80980094

There are literally millions of places on the internet where it is more appropriate to debate American politics than /who/. Please go there. You're not even discussing Trump in the context of Doctor Who at all. Stop. Neither of you are saying anything new to each other. Go somewhere else if you simply must debate this.

>>80980296
Haven't listened to DC4 yet but does it seriously not end conclusively?
Wasn't Doom Coalition the one where "we planned all 16 episodes from the start, unlike with Dark Eyes, haha! A complete story across four box sets!"

>>80980362
Yeah it absolutely doesn't. The villain basically captures the companion and it ends kind of on a cliffhanger of that. Grandly pissed me off because yeah it's not even Dark Eyes, where they made it up as they went, this was apparently planned from the start.

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Big Finish listeners, how is the War Doctor in general and how does he weigh against other Doctors? Also are his stories good?

>john hurt had cancer and still graciously returned to record some audios
>eccleston still shunning the show

>>80980452
Just to clarify my position, I'm a big fan of Big Finish and think the best Doctor Who stories in any medium have been made there.

However, the War Doctors audios are some of their worst work. They are terrible. They are not worth buying, even if you're a big fan of Sir John Hurt. They are especially not worth buying if you're a fan of the concept of the War Doctor, because they're an abominably awful execution of the idea. He's written basically as a toothless 9, with absolutely no War aspect, he doesn't even begin to approach 10's level of aggression, let alone 7's.

The stories do not convey the nature of the Time War. They are all bland typical traditional stories, most of them with Daleks. There are no abstract elements. There are no notably dark elements.

The first War Doctor audio is quite literally about him drinking juice. I am not making this up.

>>80980345
This is literally the best place on the internet to go off-topic on Doctor Who threads tee bee haitch, I'm afraid we're sticking around

Also how exactly would we go somewhere else when we're all anonymous? Ur dumb lol

>>80980227
>Doesn't like hugs
>Can't read Clara's emotions
>Likes to make gadgets and gizmos
>Needs cue cards to tell him how to be kind
>Can't easily realize when he's being mean

Capaldi's Doctor was born with some mild Autism, clearly.

>>80980273
>How do you know what I believe? What is it you think I believe?
Not relevant to the point I'm trying to make outside of the fact that you used your pre-existing beliefs (and not """facts""") to agree with the notion that he's tired. That much is readily observable. The specifics of what you believe don't matter here.

>second bit
we'll have to wait and see. They might accept a more moderate plan a second time if they realize it's their only chance to repeal obamacare (which may or may not be in the process of self-destructing at the time of a second bill if trump gets his way, a further motivator to pass anything that replaces it). Or, if a plan is moderate enough, then potentially enough dems could support it to make up for the repubs who think it's not conservative enough. Maybe. No guarantees.

My only point is that these things are not clear cut and peoples opinions are purely that, and any suggestion that any of this shit should be treated as actual facts is stupid

>>80980452
Honestly, he's good, but his stories mostly suck. Badly. They don't do much with the fact that he's The War Doctor. The War often isn't even relevant, but, worse, when it is, it's boring.

I may be judging him somewhat unfairly, because most of the other stuff I've been listening to recently is first-5-years Big Finish. But I don't think so, because almost everyone else I've talked to seem to agree that his stories suck.

>>80980595
FUCK OFF BACK TO /POL/

>>80980452
bad when compared to modern big finish, fucking terrible compared to golden age big finish. hurt's good, the writing is shit.

>>80980645
what is your favourite doctor who episode?

>>80980452
dude daleks lmao

dude particles lmao

dude repeating the same fucking arc the war doctor goes through in 50th inexplicably earlier lmao

dude the war doctor is a massive pussy lol, totally justifying his name fucking up the order lmao

Fun fact: Hurt had agreed to do 16 more (4x4) War Doc stories with Big Finish before he died, but he died before production started.

Big Finish are considering repurposing some of the scripts for 8, and starting a proper Time War series for 8 already.

Source: Vortex and the BF podcast from 2 months back I think?

>>80980645
Back to bed, Mahmood

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>>80980809
>fun fact
>reminder that Hurt is dead

y-yeah... fun f-fact...

>>80980595
>Or, if a plan is moderate enough, then potentially enough dems could support it to make up for the repubs who think it's not conservative enough. Maybe. No guarantees.

Are you delusional? I think you've got such a bad case of confirmation bias it might need medicating, friend. Why would any democrat want a more moderate - (re: right of centre) repeal for the greatest democratic success story of recent years?

>My only point is that these things are not clear cut and peoples opinions are purely that, and any suggestion that any of this shit should be treated as actual facts is stupid

Opinions are based on facts though. We observe reality and draw on the evidence we see to develop an idea. Nobody's even suggested that he is tired, either. The phrase "I think he looks tired" suggest that a) it's an opinion and b) he APPEARS tired. You seem super worked up about this.

>>80979565

A guy that's up til 3 am tweeting shit is probably going to be tired the next day, since he's an old man and has to get up early to go presidenting and shit. The fact that he pulled the bill before it got voted down? I'd say that's a guy who got sick of fighting, e.g, tired.

>>80980571
The War Doctor was good for precisely one minute at the end of the Name of the Doctor, and then proceeded to be terrible throughout the Day of the Doctor because Moffat can't actually comprehend things like trauma or emotions, and can't write for a Doctor who's gone to a dark place. That's why s8 Doctor is an aspie fuck and why s9 Doctor punches a diamond wall to death only to have his mind wiped, because the idea of a Doctor that learns and changes and grows is as alien to Moffat as the Doctor is to earth.

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>>80970808
>Orford vs Whelan
>Directed by Zack Snyder

>>80980978
Dawn of JUSTice

>>80980978
BTFO

>>80980938
>Opinions are based on facts though
What if I told you they weren't? Are you familiar with the concept of persuasion?

>You seem super worked up about this.
I genuinely don't know how you came to that conclusion

>A guy that's up til 3 am tweeting shit is probably going to be tired the next day, since he's an old man and has to get up early to go presidenting and shit. The fact that he pulled the bill before it got voted down? I'd say that's a guy who got sick of fighting, e.g, tired.
That's one interpretation of the data. There is more than one interpretation and you have no way to assess which is correct. None of us do. That's how reality works.

People are reeing and I need to go to work so I'll drop it here.

>>80980938
I agree the War Doctor was a terrible idea. Should have just used McGann since Moff couldn't convince Eccleston. I don't like the "durr 8 was too nice and romantic to blow up the Time Lords", because that's literally why it's interesting, and Big Finish had been slowly and steadily transforming him into the sort of man who could.

Also I just fucking hate shoving a new Doctor in the order. I place him amongst the Valeyard and the Watcher as an offshoot thing. Seeing him in pictures between McGann and Eccleston makes me rage. He wasn't chronologically in between them and he's not a proper numbered Doctor. We don't put 10's clone Handy in the pictures, why do we put Hurt.

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>>80981089
>He wasn't chronologically in between them

>>80981009
Their superpowers are receding hairlines

>>80981187
You honestly don't find it weird at all, when 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, 10, 11, 12 are all in correct order, to have a 2013 Doctor shoved in between 1996 and 2005? There was no Hurt in between McGann and Eccleston. There was no War Doc fandom. He's a walking retcon.

>>80980938
But he was good in Day Of The Doctor.

>>80981086

>That's one interpretation of the data. There is more than one interpretation and you have no way to assess which is correct. None of us do. That's how reality works.

I'm not sure you know how reality works at all. You do realise there's a list of probable inferences you can draw from data, and thus, there are many possibilities that are far more likely than others?

>>80980565
>john hurt had cancer and still graciously returned to record some audios
Honestly, if he didn't have Big Finish, I think he would have found something else to do.

Remember when they asked him when his cancer went into remission so he could work again, and he said "What remission?" He wasn't going to be some old man dying in bed, he was going to be John Hurt, acting his ass off, as long as possible.

I'd like to believe I'll be like him when my time comes, but I doubt I will.

>>80981086
>That's one interpretation of the data. There is more than one interpretation and you have no way to assess which is correct. None of us do. That's how reality works.
1+1=10?

>>80981086
>That's one interpretation of the data. There is more than one interpretation and you have no way to assess which is correct.

What made you come to that conclusion? We can eliminate untrue propositions by investigating and interrogating them. You seem to be arguing against the basis of arguments themselves, that nothing can ever be proven and that all arguments are therefore baseless - but most arguments are based on a position that's grounded in compelling facts and evidence. This sounds very close to fake news, friend.

>>80981089
>Also I just fucking hate shoving a new Doctor in the order.
>Seeing him in pictures between McGann and Eccleston makes me rage.
>not a proper numbered Doctor

>caring this much

Why don't you go to the TARDIS Data Core Wiki? You'll find a fair few kindred spirits there

>>80981187
He's right, in terms of broadcast. The War Doctor didn't need to be terrible, but he was.

>>80980197
That would be very nice :))

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Dredd crossover when?

>>80981358

He was a good what? Not a War Doctor, anyway.

The only thing he shot in the Day of the Doctor was a fucking Wall. He's supposed to be a Warrior - where's the fucking warring?

>>80981773
They pussied out on the War Doctor. Could have made him much more villianous

>>80981699

You do realise this is a thread for offering opinions about Doctor Who, right? Large and small? There's not a vetting process, or a right or wrong opinion to express.

Where do you think we are?

>>80981365
He's either baiting or a die hard supporter who defends everything his daddy trump does.

>>80981850
I wasn't telling you to fuck offerino, I was just telling you about a community where people are similarly... obsessive about the show.

>>80981773
But he was at the end of his life. He was sick of fighting, just wanted to end it all using the moment. I haven't listened to the audios but if they were shit that's Briggs fault, not Moffat.

>>80981720
Fuck, I lost the link. An anon a few days ago gave it to me. Maybe that anon is here and will do the same for you? There's also more secret MEGAs I've never gotten access to.

>>80981904
Anon you're replying to isn't me, I'm the one who hates the War Doctor's placement in official material. TARDIS Core is fine for looking up info but I'm perfectly happy with /who/? It's weird you're acting like having opinions on Doctor Who is some sort of bizarre act for the type of person who posts in ongoing 4chan Doctor Who generals.

>>80981904
We're already there, friend. And I wasn't the guy you were posting to.

>>80981699

>dude having opinions on DW means you should fuck off to the wiki lmao

wtf, get out newfag

8s audios > 6s audios > Unbound audios > 7s audios > River audios > 5s audios > 10s audios > 4s audios > War Doc audios

>>80981955

He wasn't mad or sad or tired, though, he was still as whimsical and amiable as always. The War Doctor was supposed to turn into the Ninth Doctor, who was a PTSD sufferer and an edgy bastard. How does bumbling John Hurt convey that? Sorry pal, I'm not buying that the guy in the Day of the Doctor was "the War Doctor". It was just another Doctor.

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>>80981249
We never saw 8's regeneration until NOTD though. Nothing was retconned.

>>80982100
...what? The War Doctor is literally a retcon. Everyone admits this. This is no secret. Moffat came up with the idea after Eccleston decided against appearing. The War Doctor was thought up in 2012. The fact there was a narrative gap for him doesn't change the fact he is quite literally retroactive continuity.

>>80982100
Oh yeah? Then why wasn't John Hurt's Doctor in any of the databases or databanks of the Doctor's enemies when they did the flashback shit?

You see ten Doctors in the Next Doctor, up to and including Tennant, not eleven.

>>80982100

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/11/steven-moffat-reveals-how-he-created-the-war-doctor

“I wrote ‘The Name of the Doctor,’ which built up to a punchline of the Doctor walking into his own timeline to rescue Clara. No idea what he’d find there. I just knew that whatever he found there would launch the 50th."

“The first version was David, Matt and Chris [Eccleston] together. With whatever involvement we could contrive for the other Doctors, but – being brutal – it had to be Doctors that still looked like their Doctors… I think Peter [Davison], Colin [Baker] and Sylvester [McCoy] were better deployed in The Five-ish Doctors than they could ever be elsewhere.”

“I knew that Chris was almost certainly going to say no. I met him a couple of times and he was absolutely lovely. He met with me because he didn’t want to say no through his agent or a phone call or email. He wanted to do it personally… His reasons are his business and he’s a very private man. But it’s reasonable to say he really cares about Doctor Who. He’s well versed in what’s happened since he left, and happily chatted away about Amy Pond by name.”

What if there was an incarnation of the Doctor none of us knew about? And, coincidentally, he was played by the most famous actor in the world? Specifically someone who might have been cast as the Doctor during the long hiatus. For instance, John Hurt…”

-2013

>>80982174
Nothing was changed though.

>>80982270
Is Moffat delusional? John Hurt is a famous actor, but certainly not the most famous in the world.

>>80982304
Yes there was. There wasn't intended to be a regeneration in between 8 and 9. RTD originally gave clearance for a comic to show 8 regenerating into 9. There was promotional material for Series 1 describing 9 regenerated in 8's clothes. 11 wasn't treated as a final regeneration, shown in Nightmare in Silver, The Angels Take Manhattan, and The Impossible Astronaut, among other episodes.

>>80981773
War Doctor isn't mean to just be pew pew pewing with a gun, and in fact they explicitly say he never used one.

War Doctor is basically apeshit angry oncoming storm timelord victorious doctor we see flashes of in NuWho, but actually carrying out his empty promises.

>>80982304
there was never intended to be a secret time war regeneration, that was a new idea moff came up with, it was a CHANGE

>>80982346
Stuff like that's sort of subjective. It all depends on what sort of stuff you follow the most. If you liked fantasy and sci-fi before the year 2010 then you probably knew who John Hurt was, at least by image.

>>80982421
Except he never carries them out, in the 50th or the audios. 7 actually carried out those sorts of threats. Hell, 10 and 6 did sometimes too.

>>80982389
>Nightmare in Silver
BLUFF
>Angels Take Manhattan
He had some left over from when River brought him back to life but not enough for a regeneration proper. Though, why his use of that energy would bother River when River was aware that the 11th was the Doctor's final life (since "Husbands" states that she just came out of Manhattan and she stated that the Doctor had "limits.") is a mystery.
>Impossible Astronaut
Really?

>>80982519
You're not following what I'm saying.

There are narrative gaps and allowances to make the War Doctor make sense in the fictional continuity. That is what you are pointing out. There is no in-universe reason that a War Doctor incarnation doesn't make literal plot sense.

However, the War Doctor, from a meta perspective, from the real world of Moffat and RTD, was not planned. He was a retcon to the original idea of 9 being the incarnation after 8. No one denies this. This is not a contested fact. >>80982270
This is the man who invented the War Doctor flat-out telling you he invented him in 2012.

>>80982519
wtf are you trying to say, moff fucking admits war doctor was an asspull after he couldnt get eccleston and youre trying to say he pulled off some le epic masterplan? why are you defending an idea the fucking writer admits isnt true

>>80982621
>trusting anything moffat says
Dude lies all the time. War Doctor was probably planned since he took over at least.
Maybe even back during RTD, he left a gap, what for??? John Hurt of course.

>>80982755
Ah you're trolling, I guess I should have realised when you didn't respond to me pointing out the 8-to-9 comic plan RTD originally approved, and the promo story of a freshly regenerated 9 in 8s clothes, but instead just to clumsy retcons in Moff's years.

>>80982421
Then he's just the Doctor. There's nothing that separates him from any of the other Doctors, and yet, that is the fundamental premise of his character - that he waged war. Except, it turns out, by those standards, pretty much all the Doctors did, in one way or another.

>>80982755
That's blind retarded fan worship.

>>80982755

If you're going to say "but the writer was lying" whenever someone brings up a valid point to you, there's literally no meaningful conversation to be had.

>>80982755
>War Doctor was probably planned since he took over at least.
>Nightmare in Silver implies the Doctor can still regenerate

>>80982755

"Incoming show-runner Russell T Davies had already given his blessing for the comic to illustrate the regeneration"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPi06kPj24

http://www.warpedfactor.com/2014/11/doctor-who-proposed-eighth-to-ninth.html

The confirmed word of Moffat, RTD, and other official writers like the author of these comics against you going "durrr maybe Moffat was lying!".

>>80980296
Hi oldcan

>>80982811
Not trolling.

>you didn't respond to me pointing out the 8-to-9 comic plan RTD originally approved
That was before he decided to do a gap. He probably thought John Hurt would be a good Doctor and told Moffat on his way out. Moffat of course saved it for the 50th.

>>80983155
okay now you're baiting

>>80983190
How am I trolling? You think they just pulled out the War Doctor and cast JOHN HURT last minute? He's obviously lying. RTD could have showed 8 regenerating on the show, he didn't. He left the gap for John Hurt to come in, just as they probably planned together. You don't have to do the le everything RTD did is shit meme. He's not a bad writer.

>>80983788
I love RTD, but I don't think they planned a secret doctor that far back.

>>80982939
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration
>Time Lords could will themselves to die by attempting to regenerate when they had no more regenerations left to use, as Azmael chose to do. In this case, Azmael was hosting an evil consciousness and chose suicide to prevent it from escaping. (TV: The Twin Dilemma) The Eleventh Doctor likewise chose to use this as a bluff to hold off Mr Clever from taking over his mind. (TV: Nightmare in Silver )
Don't know how canon is this tho

>>80984278
I'm surprised that that statement is even there. The Doctor never said that it was a bluff. The Index File is normally very picky about assumptions like that.

>>80984702
Data Core, I mean. The wiki.

>>80980978
Imagine being Adam Orford. Like imagine life dealing you that card.

>>80984702
Add a [citation needed] and start a thread on the forum.

>>80981643
I've just observed until now but I feel the need to respond to this

>most arguments are based on a position that's grounded in compelling facts and evidence
Most arguments are based on appeals to emotion and obscuring or misrepresenting the other side.
Have you ever watched a political debate? Facts are the last thing any of them care about.

https://youtu.be/lzzMb7A8UBU

Lmaoo was just sitting down with the new Ashens and he surprised me with a mystery review of..

>>80985640
>it's an "adult male reviews a childrens toy" episode

I want to break free
I want to break free
I want to break free from your lies
You're so self satisfied I don't need you
I've got to break free
God knows, God knows I want to break free.

I've fallen in love
I've fallen in love for the first time

And this time I know it's for real
I've fallen in love, yeah
God knows, God knows I've fallen in love.

It's strange but it's true
I can't get over the way you love me like you do
But I have to be sure
When I walk out that door
Oh how I want to be free, baby
Oh how I want to be free,
Oh how I want to break free.

But life still goes on
I can't get used to, living without, living without,
Living without you by my side
I don't want to live alone, hey
God knows, got to make it on my own
So baby can't you see
I've got to break free.

I've got to break free
I want to break free, yeah
I want, I want, I want, I want to break free.

>>80965536
>cute
>a fucking nigger

>>80986317
don't bully

>>80986241
>tfw I don't even know this song so you can't meme me into hearing it

When Rassilon was going insane on the Final Day, the General kept it together.

When the Doctor needed to coordinate with the War Council, the General trusted him.

When Rassilon himself called on his men to gun down the Doctor, the General risked his life and stood by the Doctor.

The General only ever kept his cool and played by the clear and objective rules of morality. He helped the Doctor; revered him. And the Doctor killed him.

Whether or not regeneration really feels like death doesn't matter. If the 10th Doctor was breaking down over it, then the 12th Doctor is NOT allowed to give a big speech or have a big sob when his time comes. He's not allowed to, since it's, according to him, just Man flu.

But, again, the regeneration thing doesn't matter to me. It's that the Doctor shaved possibly hundreds of years off of the General's lifespan. If a Time Lord plays his cards right, he can live for tens of thousands of years. The Doctor took all of that possible life and experience from that man — a man who didn't even deserve to be wronged. All he wanted to do was preserve time. The Doctor? He wanted to cheat and break the rules, like always, just to get his way.

And you know whose fault it is?

Moffat's.

Not to mention that the 11th General was cool and calm and had an awesome voice. The 12th was just a misandrist who wasn't even cool-looking at all. Fuck her. Fuck Moffat for shoehorning that in.

>>80986535
>He's never heard I Want to Break Free
What are you 10?

>>80986535
>tripfriend proves himself to be an uncultured insignificant specimen
it's more likely than you think

>>80986758
No, Wanderer is just

too, shy shy

hush hush, eye to eye

$50 says Gallifrey Immigrant is underage

>>80986887
You know this meme has been going on long enough that he probably is legitimately of age now

He was definitely farking 16/17 around his debut a couple years ago though.

>>80986747
I agree on all points. It was clearly a case of "because it's 2015" virtue signalling, which I'm not inherently opposed to Moffat doing (even if it did make me lose respect for him), but he totally assraped the Doctor's moral code and handwaved it. The least he could have done is continue the theme that 12 is willing to kill, which would have potentially made for some interesting redemption stories for 13, but he's clearly not going to do that or have 12 show any kind of remorse for doing it at this point.

I'll be glad when Moffatt is gone because of this one scene alone.

>>80986887
That would actually explain a lot

>>80986887
$5000 says Cats was. In fact Cloister is probably the only trip above the age of 18

>>80986747
...that's literally the point. The whole point of Hell Bent is that the Doctor is going too far to save Clara, that their relationship is unsustainable. The Doctor doing something messed up totally plays into that, as does his petty attempt to deflect it (man flu).

>>80986758
desu most of the music I listen to is pre-1980.

>>80986817
pls no bully.

>>80987286

Queen were mostly a 70s band, although that specific song is early 80s yes.

>>80986747
So, I mean that's the idea. And um, it's kind of pathetic you're that bothered by the General's jokey idea about men.

>>80987277
Thank you. I've been thinking about that scene for an hour, reading other people's opinions and looking and hoping for a refutation. You gave me one that satisfies me, and I, being an easily-pleased human being, redact my statement.

Of course, it does sort of tick me off that he'd actually forego the whole moral code of never being cruel or cowardly. I guess I should stop thinking of him as a perfect fairytale hero.

>>80986747

>what is basic comprehension

>what is understanding themes that aren't explicitly yelled out for you

>>80987438
That's cool man. Ignore the posters being dicks to you about your opinion, I've noticed in a few threads lately after someone makes a point other anons will repeat it in a dickhead way, I think it's to try and encourage drama.

Doctor can be a perfect fairytale hero, he is more often than not, that's why it makes for interesting stories when he strays from that IMO. There's always comfy 12 eps like Robot of Sherwood to chill out to and just watch him be a good dude.

There's some discussionkino in here tonight lads. Turns out the newfags are useful for something.

You'll turn into adherents of the repeated meme soon enough though

>>80987563
What makes you think a lot of the anons aren't oldfags? If someone doesn't use a trip it's not always obvious.

I agree that this and the last thread have been better than usual though yeah.

>>80987627
I just get the impression that they're newfags. They're so... pure

>>80987697
I find when people earnestly try and discuss stuff here and aren't wankers it normally goes alright, you get out what you put in. The War doc audio discussion was good, no one insulting each other's opinions too much.

Chakoteya is back up, but all the Big Finish audios are gone.

Do grills consider it uncool to be a Doctor Who fan? I've heard DW has a lot more female fans compared to other sci fi series.

>>80987755
Copyright issue or no back-ups?

Also someone should make a new thread, we're at limit

>>80987204
>implying 12 is the first doctor to kill someone

Also he did show remorse, he admitted he was wrong and did the memory wipe.

>>80987786
Copyright issues.

The "Audio Adventures" section for each Doctor now says:
>Big Finish Audios are protected by copyright and not available

>>80987778
Doctor Who definitely has a bigger ratio of female fans than most other SF stuff. Off the top of my head I can think of six female friends into the show, and only two other guys, but the proper non-anecdotal demographic breakdowns show it's higher too.

Plenty of girls and guys will consider being a fan uncool, but certainly there are more girls into DW than most other SF franchises.

>>80987786
I'll bake the new bread

>>80987778
In my experience, about 5% of the female population responds positively to me telling them I like Who.

The remaining 95% instantly think you are an autist. Same ratio goes with saying you are into anything Sci-Fi/Fantasy tho

>>80987815
Briggs gottem.

>>80987835
Don't fuck it up please
And don't put the edition in the title!

>>80987892
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>>80987811
Fair enough, I must admit that I haven't rewatched that shit since it aired.

AFAIK he hasn't blatantly used a weapon to kill anyone else onscreen tho

>>80987880
Yeah. So now, if you have a hard time understanding part of an audio, you have to buy the script book. Or, if it's for one of the hundreds of audios they don't sell scripts for, fuck you I guess. Thanks Briggs.

>>80987870
This. You gotta feel people out before you mention Who. It's not like Breaking Bad or something. I mentioned Who to a friend once and he looked visibly disgusted.

>>80965536
Why is there a black chick in 40K space marine armor?

>>80988361
Why are you in a dead thread?

>>80988361
because it's science fiction and they can do whatever they want