Had this shit laying on my ssd for a week and finally got around

>>80864042
TFA was shit. This was slightly less shit. Both are shit.

>>80864042

i thought it was good too. i think a lot of the manchildren on here were triggered because of the multi-ethnic cast and sjw writers. it had a ton of fan service too. still it was a lot better than i expected it to be.

>>80864063
Maybe if you were never a Star Wars fan or the movie starts getting bad from here on. But the movie feels very OT, unlike TFA which was just another prequel in my eyes.

>>80864112
Yeah the blue milk in the beginning made me roll my eyes a little bit but it wasn't too bad. The robot also isn't nearly as bad as people were saying.

But I'm still early in the movie, let's see what happens as I go on.

>>80864042
It was far from perfect (cgi leia, obvious fan service, multicultimemes)

But honestly, there was nothing bad about the film

I enjoyed it, and I honestly believe that all the people calling it boring have never seen a pre-1980's movie

>>80864042
>making threads about movies you haven't finished

This used to be an ironic meme but like all things done ironically eventually dumb faggots (like you) start doing it seriously.

>>80864315
Hello nu-/tv/. Reddit is down the hall and to the left!

>>80864042
Hate because of female hero that had no personality.
Hate because it had a spic beaner as a protagonist
Hate because everyone knew how it was going to end.
Hate because it was "boring"

>>80864315
>marathoning every movie you watch
fuck off snob not everyone can be as perfect as you

>>80864342
>get called out
>r-reddit!

Sad.

>>80864444
Good job calling me out as being non-reddit, reddit!

>>80864042
>Storing movies on an SSD
Why?

>>80864990
Don't know why I said that. It's on my hard drive.

>>80864315
>watching movies while doing other things is a meme
Holy fuck you autist. Shove your elitism somewhere else.

>>80864042
No likeable characters apart from the pilot, Robot, Yip man and Yip Man's sidekick.

Too many characters taking screentime away from Pilot, Robot, Yip Man and Yip Mans sidekick.

Boring story.

Boring action apart from the space fights.'

Honestly I didn't like TFA and I found this movie waaay more boring.

>>80864042
I also just finished watching it
it doesn't feel like star wars used to
by itself it's decent as a film, relatively it's leagues better than TFA

>>80864990
>tfw all my media is stored on redundant hard drives because I don't trust any hard drive with seagate on the label

>>80864042
>/tv/ hates this movie because RLM hates it.
>RLM hates it because it has too much fan service
>RLM loved TFA, even though it was nothing but fan service
>RLM is retarded.

Yes this movie was 1000x better than TFA, but considering TFA was a steaming pile of horse shit, that's not a great measure of quality.

>>80864042

/tv/ was buttblasted because one of the writers said that the Empire is a white supremacist group opposed by a multicultural group lead by a woman and it triggered all the /pol/tards here

>>80865210
>Not having a $15000 server rack and $1200 4k tv and sound setup for your 720p yify rips
Shiggy

There were only two redeeming factors of Rogue One

>Mads
>Ben Mendelson

Everything else was pretty shit

>boring characters
>forced minority shit that didnt pay off
>Whitaker in the movie for like 10 seconds and then dying for no reason
>everything feels like an afterthought
>every dying had no emotional impact
>fan service via handjob with Vader
>cgi tarkin

I could go on.

>>80865314
I do have a server rack
it consists of 2 old power hungry rack servers, a 24-port switch with loud fans, and my pfsense router/firewall

>>80865165
I mean your entire post applies to TFA even more. TFA story was worse and the characters were worse so I have no idea what you're talking about. And the action in Jedha alone > everything in TFA.

>>80865326
When you say forced minority shit I immediately disregard your opinion. At no time in this movie do any of the minority roles stand out as "forced".
>>>/pol/

>>80864042
>What was the argument against this movie, again?

They should have used much less of CG Tarkin, they're not quite there yet with their technology.

Aside from that, yes it was much better than TFA.

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>>80865522
>At no time in this movie do any of the minority roles stand out as "forced"

Come on, the one asian character that resembles a fucking karate master that is so le bad ass that he can beat up 20 soldiers with a stick didn't seem a bit forced?

I'm not dragging the entire film down because of minorities, its just they weren't cogently put into the film, they literally just pop up one scene and are apart of the entourage the next.

>>80865676
Gotta agree with that, as impressive as it was, he still stuck out like a sore thumb. At the very least, they should have refrained from having him next to real actors. CGI + real doesn't mix.

>>80865708
Would he have not been forced if he was white? That answers your question. The race had nothing to do with it. And while it was odd they chose to bring them along, as far as blockbusters go, that's hardly a big flaw.

>>80865676
100% percent disagree it was AMAZING that they used a dead actor from the original trilogy as an actual character and not a cheap cameo with a one-liner

tarkin was the best villain in this movie, his actions were pure ruthless autocrat seeking power within the empire without regards to lives lost, it blew my mind how they brought back to life and actually gave a role to an actor that passed away, so fucking ballsy and only thing people cry about is that cgi isn't 100% indistinguishable

I really liked the VFX for the explosions and Jedi planet being partially destroyed, the sound team did a good job; it sounded really good in theaters.

The plot was bad though, fan service at the end kind of ruined it for me, darth vader scene was fine, but ending the movie with a character that wasn't a part of the film at all (Leia) felt disappointing. I felt it should have ended with the main character what's her face giving a monologue before she died with her mexican friend instead of Leia literally saying the title of Episode IV since the story should have been about what's her face not Leia.

Like the sequencing of events would have made it more of an independent story than a blatant dumbing down of a franchise.

>Krennic dies, main characters send Death star plans
>main character says something related to hope instead shoehorned leia
>plans going through should just have been a cutaway ship scene with someone saying the plans have been taken
>pan back to imminent explosion death with hope monologue instead of that depressing death where we forget them and it goes immediately to fan servce

>>80864042
I hate TFA and R1. My argument against this one is that it's a boring mess of a story and a bad action/adventure movie too. Look at that stupid, cluttered poster. This movie is supposed to be about an ensemble cast but the only characters with anything approaching depth are protagonist, Mads and Mendelson. Protagonist is an edgelord out for herself until her dad's hologram speech inspires her to finish his work. That's it for her. She meets him again later but everything covered there was already done in the hologram scene. Mendelson is a kind of interesting villain just because he's competent and has personal motivations beyond just being a good goon for the cause. And Mads is just charismatic enough to make anything work.

Action scenes are lame and mistake grimness and grit for depth, every cast member aside from the big three are just faces to put on the posters, the movie tries to recreate the grounded look of the OT's practical effects by covering everything with dirt but it just looks cheap and shitty. The main plot takes forever to cover what is actually a very small amount material if you think about it, we meet protagonist, she won't fight, but then she will, then they take the plans and die. This takes two hours, for most of which nothing of substance happens.

Thinking back I really didn't like a single thing about this movie. I was horribly bored throughout the whole thing.

>>80865779
I will admit that the CGI took me out of the movie a bit but you're damn right

>>80865801
it was a perfect transition to a new hope though, it's not a dumbing down of the franchise at all, you see the actual conflict between rebels and empire, you see the rebel side having extremists and factions and disagreements, this movie also brings it out of fantasy land and gives people actually morally grey characters, maybe you like kiddie shit and didnt like han killing a guy in a bar but I did, han was a stronger character than in the last two movies where he was a cookie cutter hero with some wisecracks

this movie was also kino space opera
honestly if you disagree with me you're a fag, this is in top 3 as far as star wars movies go, go rewatch the original trilogy

>>80865900
>action scenes are lame
Opinion disregarded.

>>80865986
What do you consider to be a good action scene from this? The edgy Iraqi ambush? Space Vietnam/plan-lifting sequence? That pointless rainy planet at night scene that only exists so that Mads can tell protagonist what she already heard from the hologram?

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Beep beep outta the way.

>>80865752
>Would he have not been forced if he was white?

Yes, he would have, its a fucking monk that can fight 20 soldiers at once with a fucking staff, what kind of shit is that? What made it worse was that he was an asian that was only put there to play the asian markets since star wars always underperforms there

>as far as blockbusters go, that's hardly a big flaw

yeah, it is hardly a big flaw, thats why i compiled a small list of the them that made a shit pile

>>80866048
All of the action in this movie was great. Dismissing it because it's "edgy" is retarded. People die in war, sunshine. Get over it.

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-It's got the most shockingly awful, off-putting soundtrack I've ever heard.

-Nearly all the characters look like they're bored

-The story jumps around way too much in the first 30 minutes

-Reference after reference after reference

-That Tarkin CGI, holy shit who thought that was a good idea

-This might be an exaggeration, but every single line delivered just feels wrong, bad inflection, or sound mixing. James Earl Jones sounds BAD in this movie, which is really saying something, the dude is 90 years old so i can give him a break.

I wasn't a huge fan of TFA, but its much better than this horseshit

>>80866123
People die in the OT too, but that movie wasn't filmed like we were seeing the fights through the smartphone recordings of an on-the-scene journalist.

>>80864042
It's literally a competition on which of the two movies is the least awful.
That's the state of the nu Wars franchise.

well at least Rouge One had the Donnie Yen scenes so it probably wins

>>80866150
Alright fuck off. The soundtrack is not awful.

>>80866158
And? How is "too gritty!" a valid criticism? Do you hate every war movie? You come off as a giant pussy.

>>80866226
Grit isn't entertaining. And this movie certainly wasn't setting out to accomplish anything beyond that so I have to wonder why it was there. I don't hate every war movie because most of them have something going on beyond presenting wacky space-fights. I can get invested in Letters From Iwo Jima even though Clint Eastwood isn't a great director because that movie actually uses its gritty presentation of war to raise issues of loyalty, sacrifice and friendship. When R1 does it it's still just goofy space fights, only now they've added grit to trick idiots and hipsters into thinking they aren't lining up to watch a mass-produced spin-off of a series of wacky space battle movies.

>>80866216
>It's literally a competition on which of the two movies is the least awful.
>That's the state of the nu Wars franchise.

"Nu-Wars" is 2 for 2 while the prequels floundered and ultimately went down as jokes, and were basically written out of the canon

>>80866150
Yeah I mean, I really didn't like Rogue One. I'm not trying to be edgy, really, but I'll never watch it again.

TFA I didn't care for but it was at least competently assembled.

>>80866226

>Alright fuck off. The soundtrack is not awful.

It's bad, its really bad, so bad it takes me out of the movie constantly, which is never a problem for me. It's the most generic "Star Wars" sound you can possibly achieve, and the implementation was bad too, giving us music that was inconsistent to what the scene should be making us feel.

>>80866390
I've seen the prequels several times each. I think that they're perfectly solid Star Wars movies. TFA feels cheaper and misses the mark which the previous six hit more or less consistently while R1 feels like a completely different thing with stormtrooper helmets and a few other recognizable pieces of crap slapped on top to make money.

>>80866368
>isn't entertaining
Oh, well good thing to know your subjective opinion is fact. Grit is plenty entertaining to me.

>why there
Because it's a fucking war movie? And war is gritty?

>wacky space battles
Tell us how you really feel about the Star Wars franchise before pretending your opinion is at all without bias.

>>80866405
Well I'm sorry you hate music, Anon. The music was pretty good to my ears.

>>80866457
>I've seen the prequels several times each. I think that they're perfectly solid Star Wars movies.
Prequel apologists should be shot and killed. Good to know the kind of audience that hates R1 loves the prequels.

>>80866457
No pls, I understand you need to hate TFA or whatever, its a shit film, but don't you ever dare to say that the prequels were decent.

>>80866505
Star Wars shouldn't be a war movie. It was always adventure/fantasy revolving around galactic turmoil stemming from the Skywalker family and some hippy brat-pack eastern mysticism stuff. As the Skywalker's became unbalanced so did the galaxy, but then a good Skywalker comes along, resists and overcomes the worst parts of himself and by achieving personal enlightenment is able to save the whole galaxy.

But then apparently his faggot nephew listened to too much Linkin Park so it all started again a couple of decades later.

>>80866547
I really do enjoy them. There's plenty to dislike, Lucas dialogue, some crucial points in Anakin's fall are kind of skimmed over, experimental new technology doesn't entirely hold up, but I still think that they turned out well.

>>80866675
>Star Wars shouldn't be a war movie
>shouldn't
You have one of the shittiest opinions I've ever seen on this site. Who are you to dictate what kind of movie a franchise should have? I applaud R1 for stepping outside the comfort zone and going for a grittier look. It was a refreshing change from lightsaber hero journeys. Go check on your tendies you pathetic manchild.

>is also prequel apologist
Oh, that's why.

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>>80866675
>Disliking Rogue One
>Liking the Prequels
Shit don't add up
>Liking Rogue One
>Disliking the prequels
Shit don't add up either.

>>80866675
>star wars
>shouldn't have wars

>>80866925
Meant to respond to this one too >>80866795

>>80866795
>Who are you to dictate what kind of movie a franchise should have?
I'm not dictating, if I were there would only be 6 movies. Nobody can really say what a franchise 'should' have but I think that Star Wars should be Star Wars and Star Wars is what George Lucas made it. George Lucas never made a war movie because that's not what he intended for Star Wars to be. Star Wars IS lightsaber hero journeys. Or at least it was. The trouble is it got too big and everyone got too invested in it so now these movies can't just be what the director wanted, they're everyone's movies now, so we get boring garbage cranked out by the barrel-load so that everyone gets their fix of lasers and cool spaceships.

>>80866925
>shit don't add up
Sure it does. The prequels were consistent with what came before and watchable movies if taken alone. Rogue One feels inconsistent with the existing movies and is a boring movie taken alone.

>>80866942
A movie can have wars without being a war movie.

>>80866925
How doesn't it? R1 is mediocre but that's like 10 times better than the shitshow that the prequels are.

>>80866960
>prequels
>watchable movies
Opinion discarded.

>>80866952
Lots of bad things in the prequels absent from both TFA and R1. Such as le funny droid dying noises and Anakin. The prequels feel very much "For children" whereas the OT was "For families". R1 is more of "For adults and teenagers".

>>80866960
Shut up you pathetic manchild. Go back to your literal children movies.

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>>80866986
Rouge One is literally the prequels but reskinned to like the OT. You have to sit through a bunch of slow scenes to watch some action involving under developped characters. Hell the rebel high command scene is just one of the prequel senate chamber scenes. Rogue One is closer to the prequels in most things except appearance.

>>80864990
Not OP but my primary drive is a 500gb SSD, and my ancillary HDD is full (of porn). Also all of my external hard drives are also full of porn

>>80867090
Except R1, and TFA, don't suffer from the biggest reasons people hated the prequels: Retconning the OT and making everything for children.

>>80867173

> Retconning the OT and making everything for children

What did the OT retcon?

>>80867173
Rogue One is still closer to the prequels in pacing and tone.

OP here

Vader sounds fucking terrible. Really disappointed. But I get it, James Earl Jones is extremely old and to not let him do Vader's voice would have been fucked up. Still, some more voice training and better sound editing could've done good.

Probably my biggest gripe so far.

>Tarkin
Obvious as hell, but not uncanny valley repulsion level.

>bad characters
Way better than TFA and the prequels (aside from Emperor and Obi-Wan). Cassian is not that bad.

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>>80867334
>Rogue One is still closer to the prequels in pacing and tone.
Pacing? Yes. Tone? No way. R1 is way darker than the childish prequels.

>>80867377
I was thinking closer to episode 3, but I see your point.

>>80864042
You're the kind of person that says ''my 2008 Toyota Corolla'' aren't you....
Can't just say car.
You complete asshole.

>>80867304
Are you kidding?

>midochlorians
>stormtroopers
>obi wan's a fucking liar or suffering from chronic certain point of view
>jedis are monks lmao
>c3po built by anakin!
>boba fett
>why do people not believe in the force when it protected the galaxy a few decades ago?
>lightsaber battles

inb4 you reply to each of my points defending the retcons

>>80864042
>>80867350
Can you finish the fucking movie first before blogging about it? We don't need a play-by-play. Thanks, champ.

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>>80867681
>why do people not believe in the nazis when it protected the Reich a few decades ago?

>>80867610
Actually, I just didn't want to call my solid state drive a hard drive because that would be objectively wrong. Like calling a train a car, using your example.

>>80867703
Just for you, extra blogging:

Just got to Scarif. First part (the worst part as /tv/ said) is about to be over. Wasn't that bad. Above average for a blockbuster. Looking forward to the better part of the movie, or I will be disappointed.

But first, I need to take a massive piss. Then grab a snack.

>>80867681

none of those things are retcons, anon.

>>80867681
A couple of those aren't really retcons as they don't really change anything

>>80867762
>>80867863
>>80867892
>changing how the force works
>not a retcon
>changing stormtrooper origins
>not a retcon
>making obi wan say things that aren't true because of the prequels
>not a retcon
>jedis being monks instead of warriors
>not retcon
>c3po being built by anakin despite vader not recognizing him in esb
>not a retcon
>people not believing in the force
>not a retcon

prequel autism

>>80867762
This analogy makes no sense.

>>80864042
>What was the argument against this movie, again?
Prequel bitches being bitches.

>>80867998
>changing stormtrooper origins
Remind me what those were.

>>80864042
you people really are dedicated to this meme, it's hilarious

>>80868124
not an argument

>>80864042
Yeah I watched it yesterday and was surprised, it was a genuine 7/10. Someone cared about the story and making it a real film instead of just endless CGI (like Captain America Civil War, Fantastic Beasts, and The Force Awakens). It has its flaws, particularly towards the end, but it's still much better than anything Disney have put out in many years.

I like the robot and the tryhard villain.

I remember the plot but most of the characters are just vague impressions and not memorable at all.

>>80867681
Those aren't retcons, they're just bad writing. Its very clear from the prequels that Lucas either had very little involvement with actually writing the original trilogy or he had a LOT of help.

The Prequel scripts were just him trying to fill in details that didn't need to be explained and because he's a bad writer he didn't actually think about detailed continuity. The prequels were his own attempt to claim SW as "his" finally and he failed.

I'm not that big of a fan of the cartoons but the prequel material is handled much better in them. Actually developing Anakin as a character over 5 seasons of a cartoon actually makes you care a little when he loses his shit

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>>80868253
>not recons
>(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
By definition they are. Not an argument.

>>80867173
>Rogue 1 and TFA didn't retcon anything
>Why is the force still strong in this movie when it's supposed to be a dead, mythical religion
>Why is Vader fighting and using his lightsaber on rebels when he never did it in the originals and let stormtrooper grunts do the work
>what are female stormtroopers
>what are kyber crystals being used to power the death star laser
>what is women actually fighting and being able to overpower men and aliens 3x their size
>what is putting in advanced machine gun blasters that can wreck a dozen stormtroopers in half a second that are never seen in OT

>>80864042
>What was the argument against this movie, again?

Red Letter Media didn't like it for extremely autistic reasons. Battle lines were drawn accordingly.

>>80868917
>what are kyber crystals being used to power the death star laser
That doesn't retcon the OT at all

>>80868322
Like, the only thing in that guys list that is a retcon is changing the nature of the Force to something that conflicts with it's portrayal in the original trilogy.

The rest are just giving information about things that were previously unexplained, they don't change anything.

>>80868917
Again, none of these are retcons. They're (stupid) irrelevant nitpicks.

>>80869062
>directly conflicting things said in the OT isn't a retcon
Come on. They retconned the hell out of half the shit old obi wan said and C3PO was a retcon too.

>>80868917
none of these are retcons.

>>80868917
What about the Geonosians having deathstar plans in the prequels? Sure seemed like they helped develop it

>>80864042
not enough donnie yen, too many other characters

looked great though and has some actual pathos

OP here.

Finally finished it. What an abrupt ending. Ever hear of the expression "leave off on a high note". The Vader scene was awesome.

Overall, decent blockbuster. Lacks the charm of the OT but fixes a lot of the mistakes TFA made (too much in your face nostalgia crap, cheesy dialogue but in a bad way, better story, no mary sue).

Would've seen it in the movies desu if I wasn't a cheap skate.

>>80869358
Yeah, could've used more of him. I think him and the bodyguard should've been one character.

>>80866390
>, and were basically written out of the canon
you queers can repeat this as much as you like but it won't make it true

imo they should've done this one first, to stoke up everyone's nostalgia and establish trust in Disney. Then they could've done a proper job of developing episode 7 without needing to pander to the OT

>>80869612
they pandered in r1 as well

>>80869756
That's my point friend, it could've freed up ep7 to take more creative risks

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>>80869991
just get that out of your head right now, disney is never going to take any risks, they're going to play it as safe as possible and the next 5 films will make a billion each while hipster nerds proclaim each new one the best ever.

Only reason I liked TFA was because u hadn't seen a star wars movie in a decade. Rogue One didn't get that benefit. It was boring and toothless.

>>80864112

this movie is made for manchildren what are you talking about

>>80870422
>Only reason I liked TFA was because
you're fucking retarded anon

>>80870544
You like Rogue One?

>>80871347
no, disney was a mistake

Characters are 2d
Story is unnecessarily convoluted - not complicated, just unnecessary hurdles that only exist for the plot to function
Bleak for the sake of bleak - not dark, just grey
And overall just an unnecessary movie.

>>80864063
This.

>>80864160
>Maybe if you were never a Star Wars fan or the movie starts getting bad from here on

I'm not a Star Wars fan and think Rogue One is the best of all of them.

>>80864042
It was fine. Even great in some aspects (the landscapes and space visuals overall). But it doesn't have good characters, has plot holes, and fucks a little too much with the lore. The decision to have CGI Tarkin was also questionable. I get that they wanted that nostalgia factor, especially since it leads right into Eoisode IV, but still.

Also, it's interesting that the Yavin base had tons of female pilots and minorities, but they all happened to get killed before episode IV...

Guys we should stop discussing this now. Anyone else feeling really sleepy? I can hardly keep my eyes open. Think I'll go to bed.

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>>80867681
None of those are retcons, you dumbass.

>>80864063
banner worthy

>>80864042
Shit characters

>>80864063
This. I'm not watching another SW movie ever again. Fuck Disney. Incompetent retards.

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>>80873035
>characters