Biggest marvel tv villain? >mismanages a company so hard it

Also he keeps quoting buddha and other asian mystics and philosophers in a really cobdescebding way. What an asshole

>walks into room filled with blacks and Latinos
>"YOU CHATTER LIKE MONKEYS"

/ourguy/?

>>80815078
He also doesn't knowbhow to interact with people. Pretty /tv/

i don't understand how powerful he is...it's so inconsistent.

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>/tv/ is so racist, sexist, and flat out contrarian that they'd actually put Iron Shit over both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage

>>80815715
Theres a luke cage show? Is it good?

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>>80815078

really made me think...

>>80816092
its got its moments

>>80815715
JJ's biggest sin was that it was boring.
LC was just shit.

Iron Fist had its own flaws, but it was unironically better than both of them and more importantly it was more entertaining.

>>80816092
It starts out great but gets pretty silly by the last few episodes.

>>80816270
You can pretty much say the same thing about all four mcu shows though, even the good ones.

>>80816092
pretty good until cotton mouth diea

>>80816092
Yeah it's pretty good. Nice soundtrack

>>80815715
>LC
>racism

everyone in the show was black

>>80815701
Its like mana, when charged he can pull off super combos

>>80813310
I SUCK CAPITALIST DICK-The thread.

>>80816092

Its basically Black Dynamite with a little bit of seriousness to it

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Ward a cute

>>80815701
his powers is to break doors down and escape.

>>80816370
Yeah, but the point they go downhill varies.

Daredevil S1 was solid right up until the last episode. Luke Cage went to crap about halfway through. Iron Fist took a dive after about the third episode.

JJ I think actually started out weak, got better in the middle and then went to shit in the last third.

>>80816488
>tfw this show should be about the ward family

>>80815078
>i'm angry
>arrrrr

>>80816460
>rich people are dicks so being totally nonsensical about how the world works is ok

>>80816092

Its great but when cottonmouth leaves it starts to decline. Still great though, I think.

I watched 7 episodes, idk why.

Tom Pelphrey is the only competent actor in the entire show.

I seriously cannot bring myself to finish it, I have never watched a capeshit show before though let alone a 'network' (low budget) garbage show like this before.

honestly I just got addicted to Jessica Henwick's ass and I just want to see her get slammed by manuel ferrera.

>>80815715
Jessica Jones was one of the most boring shows I've ever watched. I had to force myself to get through it. It got ok after like the sixth or seventh episode but it was never really great.
Luke Cage was good in a fun way but I can see why a lot of people here think it kinda sucks. Cotton Mouth was great so naturally the show went downhill after he died.

>>80817003
Wai ching ho did well with what she was given, and jessica henwick has a cute little limp in her gait that I found endearing

>>80817003
Your fantasy revolves around a man other than yourself fucking a women you desire? You even specify the other man. You are literally a cuck.

>>80813310
What do think will happen if you give a NEET billions and majority stake in a corporation?

I thought Cottonmouth was a better Kingpin than Kingpin was.

>>80815715
I'll unironically say Luke Cage is a better show overall than Iron Fist but I couldn't sit through Jessica Jones. Everything about that show was Maximum Jew to the point of absurdity

It was like that meme where one guy goes "how many layers of cultural marxism are you on?" and the lady who wrote JJ was like "you are like little baby, watch this"

>>80817344
I'm a neet and I would probably still consider that my actions have gravity and that reality isn't like richie rich. In fact, richie rich was more responsible about his actions in his movie

He was the opposite of Shkreli

>>80817508
"you are like little baby, watch this"
No

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Ward is DEF our guy.

>>80815715
I thought the first season of Daredevil was okay, and everything since then has been shit. It would be a Herculean feat to determine which of LC, JJ, IF, and DD2 were the worst.

>>80817588
There are less destructive ways to not be greedy.

>>80817620
what movie?

>>80817669
LC is better than dd s1. They're all bad though

>>80817745
>LC is better than dd s1. They're all bad though
That's a hot opinion you got there. Care to share why you think that or are you just shitposting?

>>80817745
I liked the Fisk backstory and that actor, but I don't watch much capeshit and I've never read a comic book, so if it either is the same as other capeshit or deviates strongly from the source material, I can see why it could be shit, too.

>>80817693
It's a show called Banshee. He plays a Reformed Nazi Cop. Great pulpy show. Super violent mixed with softcover porn. One of the most action packed shows of all time.

The way fights were handled in LC alone makes it better than the other shows. Even fights among normies don't drag out as long as they do in DD and iron fist. It just comes off as a writing crutch when they pad out fights with henchmen over minutss. Especially in the case of iron fist, the dude should be able to punch through concrete walls.

>>80817815
Fisk wasn't well executed. His mental problems blended into the actual awkwardness of the actor, so it just felt like a sperg trying to ve another kind of sperg. Dd himself was whiny, his lawyer friend and secretary are completely incapable of acting convincingly. Old blind dude is pretty good though. Poor direction and fight scenes.

Up to episode 7 now, I know Iron Fist is probably top 3 hand to hand in Marvelshit but does this guy ever lose? At least DD constantly gets beaten into blathering retardo-mode before pulling off a win.

Also, the action scenes were far from great but they aren't Seagal-tier either. Colleen's cagefights were the worst by a long mile.

>>80817620
Holy shit I didn't realise Ward and Bunker were played by the same dude

>Iron Fist has trained for 15 years to be a living weapon
>Almost gets fucked up by a guy with a knuckle duster
>Has retarded spergy anger tantrums

I could barely get through the season, and when they started laying on the whole "if we kill them we're no better than them" real thick (big thanks to Night Nurse for that horseshit) I didn't know if I'd be able to make it through.

>>80818418
think i posted this exact thing in the last thread

>>80818418
>Night Nurse
I ducking hate her. It feels like she must be going off script constantly and the director has no balls to shut ger down cause she steals scenes constantly where she has no business to do so. Like, her characters actions never make sense

>>80818571

I almost alt+F4'd when she starting spewing about Gandhi on the plane, and the implication that she's always in the right and everyone just needs to come around to her way of thinking. She's such a terribly written character.

Shoddy choreography aside, the thing I don't like about the fights in IF is that they don't feel like they have any consequences, which is a jarring departure from the tone set by DD. Obviously Danny is a more trained fighter than Matt, but his wounds seem more like PG movie cuts-n-bruises and that sort of neuters the stakes for me.

>>80818665
>I am cool with operating on this guy in a shady dojo for a guy I've met once while he wanted me to leave
>I'm gonna talk to him like I'm a close friend when he's about to take the hands challenge, and act as I'd he needs to justify fuck all to me
>let me come with you, person i have met, like, 5 times, halfway across the world
>i shouldn't have come here, why did I think I could take part in this fight?
Literally the worst

Claire was way, way out of character in IF. I don't know if it was the actress or the script, but she was way off.

She was from being the reluctant voice of reason to outright preachy.

>>80818883
>which is a jarring departure from the tone set by DD.
I felt this in daredevil too though. Dd will be punched like 50 times through a fight, and he'll need to punch the villains 50 times too. Sure, he gets hurt. But nothing seems to have impact individually, making fights super unengaging

>>80818883
Danny is supposed to be stronger than luke so it's a wonder that fights are as risky as they are

>>80813310
>selling at a loss means no more r&d
That doesn't make any sense. That's pure advertising, and it's totally free. You know who goes to the cheapest seller? Customers. They're not going to stop at one product, and they apparently don't just sell meds.

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>>80816488
I was mirin in Banshee

>>80818985
I disagree, what I liked about DD was that if he was in a rough fight, the physical consequences would carry over into other aspects of the show, sometimes for multiple episodes.

I think in IF they only had one throw away line from Joy about Danny's split lip.

>>80819315
You know what selling at a loss means right? That people going to them would be a BAD thing

>>80819387
Didn't Danny say to sell at cost?

>>80819387
People will be going to them for other products based solely on their reputation, even if they aren't buying that specific medicine. I don't think you've ever bought anything.

>>80819236
No, no, Luke is stronger physically but Danny is a way better fighter.

>>80819410
Yes, he did.

>>80819410
The cost of production.

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>>80819448
No. Danny is stronger. He has better feats. Sure, luke is more DURABLE

>>80819427
That's not how it works though. People really don't give a fuck. Which is why we have marketing instead of ethical business. And obviously they were already pricing competitively, because that's just sensible. And 50 bucks for a cure is not bad in the first place. It's also implied that the drug was a MAJOR part of their income, not something to throw on a marketing stunt

>>80819685
Where is that implied?
They seem to have an massive income without the drug being sold yet.

>>80819760
No, they talk about it being a hard year after that.

>that scene with the 3 women that use their sex appeal to sell heroin
What was the point of that?

>>80819901
Poking fun at pharmaceutical sales reps?

>>80819760
Btw even if he didn't fuck his company, fact is that the heroin described in the show is a penicilin-tier medical revolution. So him shutting down that operation alone makes him worse than kingpin, gao, harold and cotton mouth combined

>>80820000
This, and to show that the Hand had so thoroughly infiltrated Rand that they can operate practically with impunity.

>>80820068
Wait, are we talking about the synthetic heroin? I thought we were talking about the antivirals.

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>>80813310
Literally pic related the capeshit show

>>80820215
I'm saying that EVEN if the antivirals were fine, the fact that he shut down the synthetic heroin is an insanely big sin on its own. I changed topic

>>80819583
He's saying Luke has super strength, but Danny can still punch harder due to technique
Which is true

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>>80820336
Not technique. Chi. Danny can exert more force, because of magic. Yes, his technique is vetter, but so is gis raw power. At least when it comes to making a shoving motion with his arm

Scott Buck should never have a job in Hollywood again. After what he did on his run with Dexter and the first season of Iron Fist, I'm fucking SHOCKED that anyone would want him running their show.

I WANTED to like Iron Fist. The comics are cool and I'm always up for some kung fu action. I wanted to like it even more after the SJW backlash against it. But it turns out that it's just a shitty, bland, directionless show.

The acting is often times just BAD and just watching one episode feels like you're marathoning the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The fight scenes are embarrassingly bad, so bad that I don't understand how they saw them and okayed it for film. They look like a minimum contact practice run instead of a finished product. The biggest flaw however, is the complete lack of interesting characters. I'm three episodes in and absolutely no one stands out to me.

Danny is completely unlikable. Finn Jones is exposed as being a cringeworthy actor and it doesn't help him that his character is pretty much a rapid bipolar in the show. The sad thing is that the SJW's ended up being right in the end in a round about sort of way. With all of the shit they changed they might as well have just made Danny an asian dude. If you're going to turn it into a shazam/Arrow ripoff with shitty action and acting you might as well cast an asian guy so you can be immune to criticism.

>>80820848
just wait, Ward becomes the best thing about the show. Ward and Colleen.

I liked the show, but it felt rushed as fuck. Like every episode was simply a rough draft that had to be pushed to film right away

>>80820848
Stay for Ward. He's the only reason to keep watching.

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>>80813310
Watching the last episode .... It hasn't gotten any better ... Strange that I actually wish the sjws got their way and they got an Asian guy ... Heard it was the drunken master in episode 8 and I wish it was .... Fucking aluminum fist ... I wasted 13 hours on you just so I'd know what happens when the defenders airs

>>80813310
I enjoyed, definitely more than Luke Cage
Pros:
>didn't feel like a lot filler (Slow scenes don't mean filler)
>Didn't have cops or dirty cops
>Didn't have get worse in quality. Stays pretty consistent in quality (Ex. 2nd half of Luke Cage, 2nd half of DD S2)
>Colleen
>Ward
>To a degree, Meachum
>The Hand to a degree (More fleshed out)

Cons
>Bad writing. A lot of things at the beginning at least could have been solved a LOT easier if he didn't try to set up a date
>So-so action scenes (Still good for today's TV action standards)
>Claire
>Joy being bi-polar
>The Hand (Less intimidating)

>>80821158
Iron Fist is a story about a white dude that ends up raised in a different culture where he doesn't really fit in, who becomes skilled enough he can kill a dragon barehanded, and then goes back to where his family is from only to discover that now he doesn't really fit in there either. He ends up standing on a racial crossroads because he's white but was raised in a Chinese-derived culture, and both his best friend and lover are black.

There's shitloads of comic characters where the main character's race honestly doesn't impact the story much. This isn't one of them.

And honestly having a better martial artist as the star wouldn't have saved the show. Iron Fist is a guy that killed a dragon barehanded, and the directors made absolutely no effort to present him as someone that could do that. Apparently some random Slav in a truck is as tough as a dragon.

>>80821521
I'm normally want the race to stay the same for the character but Jesus Finn Jones was not the guy to do this he acts like an autistic moody teenager through out the entire show. So having ANY one else do it would have been better ... Shit even a black kung fu dude at this point and it still would have been better

You know how TV shows have those b-unit episodes that are shot while the a-unit is working on the big story episodes?

Iron Fist feels like an entire series of b-unit episodes.

>>80821694
Well you can think of The Defenders as one big show.

Marvel allotted $200 million in total to be spread across the first season of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and The Defenders. Leaving about $3 million an episode if they spread it equally - about enough for your standard crime drama. Not good budgeting if you're trying to make high-end action shows. Ideally they should've been cutting money off of Jessica Jones wherever possible (it's not a show that really NEEDED heavy special effects, Killgrave's power could've made for tension without making things flashy) and saving it up for the shows that needed more flash. Looking at Iron Fist, I suspect they did the exact opposite and dipped into the tin marked "reserved for Iron Fist" a few times.

>>80821653
In the books Iron Fist wears a mask. There's no reason not to have him wear a mask in the show, giving stunt doubles a change to step in and do shit properly. Jones isn't great, but there was bad acting from other people that know better too. From what he described they were handed underwritten scripts and the directors went with whatever ended up on film on the first shot.

Things fell apart because the directors and showrunner were shit. This was a show mismanaged by arrogant assholes that walked in feeling invincible because the reviews had gone soft on the major flaws in Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

>>80813310
>causes the death of the inventor of a heroin that doesn't build immunity and can be produced synthetically, which would make it both safe and an incredible evolution in anaesthetiology, and stopping distribution of it. without a doubt killing millions

The fact that you don't build a tolerance makes it easier to OD

>>80822063
Also it would still be incredibly addictive.

And the heroin wasn't really a Rand product anyway, Gao was just piggybacking on their resources. It was primarily going to be sold on the street, not as an anesthetic.

>>80822063
No. You could always use a starting dose of heroin. Heron is only dangerous because you have to start doing massive doses after a while. This is also why people lose all their money to a heroin addiction. It's cgeap in the beginning.
The ld50 isn't that much higher if you're tolerant, the effect is just lower. The less of a drug you need to take for effect, the safer, that's a general rule of pharmacology

>>80813310
>homeless guy tries to cheer him up
>"You're no match for me"
Wew Danny, way to make a friend.

>>80822189
It wouldn't be more addictive. It's still just heroin. And it doesn't matter if it wasn't a rand product, fact is, danny made an absolute wonderdrug go extinct

>>80816488
why are his hands so red

>>80813310
better than the starbucks CEO lmao

>tell your employees to talk about niggers with customers

>>80822284
>laugh at the guys beliefs
>haha people might think we're alike
What a shitter

>>80822232
The Hand literally serve a demon and want to drag the world into hell. They are basically pure evil.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps their talk about there being no downsides to their synthetic heroin was industrial grade bullshit.

>>80822284
I really thought they were going to take the whole "Danny befriending homeless guy" thing somewhere, but then *poof* boardroom drama!

>>80815715
Luke Cage had nothing to do with racism, blacks were gentrifying a black neighbourhood using a black crime syndicate to produce funds.
If anything it was something something cultural violence self perpetuation

>>80822392
>Luke Cage had nothing to do with racism

Well there was that cop at Seagate.

>>80822362
yeah he sounded like a retarded asshole in the first few episodes. Like the writing was just bad all around

started acting more normal (minus the REEEEEEE fits) towards the end

He is the least likeable 'hero' I have ever seen

>takes an oath to protect the people who rescued, raised and trained him, then fucks off without telling literally anyone, despite being their number one defence and having taken on a literally sacred role
>to come back to a company that he instantly starts making decisions for, despite having no worldly knowledge, displaying a colossal arrogance
>turns his back on his best friend, and his duty for literally the first woman he speaks too for longer than 2 minutes
>acts like a bitch for literally the entire show, I was hoping he'd man up and kick ass half way through, but nope, muhh angst to the very end, again, totally abandons his duty to KunLun

It's just shitty writing. If you're going to tell us he was trained for decades to be a living weapon, at least have him START emotionless and strong, and grow more human, not just be a sopping wet vagina from the very first fight

Also his power level is all over the fucking place. Can 1v6 men with axes in a small corridor and a lift - struggles to fight 1 thug with a knuckle duster and a 50+ year old man with a pipe

I really wanted to like this show but it's just awful. He isn't believable as an iron fist at all, he's way too emotional. I was really hoping they'd push the boat out a bit with this show, move away from muhh origins story and have a well established bad ass come in and get shit rolling, even go morally ambiguous with him being fiercely about his duty even in morally grey situations

Instead we get
>if you kill him you're no better than him
Literally the most overused trope in all forms of media

The only likeable and consistent character on the show, Davos , was tossed aside like trash. Oh but it was 'justified' by the 'I left you not Kun Lun' one liner, completely side stepping the fact that Danny just straight up left the mans home undefended DIRECTLY after taking the power to defend it from one who had trained his whole life to do it and would have

>>80822366
The way the show presented it just made it seem like they didn't have a clue of how medicine works though, adding other characteristics would just be a retcon. Why would they lie to a drugdealer anyways? He wouldn't care

>>80822423
Aside from the mandingo fighting, but of course the prison population is filled with blacks when they commit a majority of violent crime, and more so when the actual demographic of the residing area is also predominantly black.

>>80815715
>it has black people so it's DEEP

wow really made me think

Luke Cage was the most boring one by far

>>80822423
I'd say external racism was the secondary theme, the primary theme was internal cultural struggle.

>>80816092
Better than JJ and the later half of DD season 2. It's got great fucking drama unlike JJ, the message on race is nicely worked and well written, characters are strong and to the point, you like the ones you're supposed to like, you hate the villains, but at the same time you feel sympathetic for some. Great art direction, directing and soundtrack as well.

A damn shame it fucking loses itself for a bit after Luke gets shot by the alien gun and never picks up again.

So far:
DD S1 > DDS2 first half > Luke Cage > Jessica Jones > shit > DDS2 second half > irredeemable garbage > Agents of SHIT > Iron Fist

All the marvel tv heroes seem to have the trait in common that they stir up outrigger peoples lives completely in their crusade and have no interest in taking responsibility. Danny is probably the worst at this

>>80822498
>adding other characteristics would just be a retcon

So? They're The Hand. They worship a demon. Their idea of a good day's work is corrupting a good guy until he kills innocents.

If it looks like The Hand is doing something that isn't pure evil, that's a loose end that needs to be resolved with a "it's pure evil when you look closer" reveal. Shit dude, if they turned around and changed the price of their heroin from "some money" to "you have to kill an innocent person if you want a hit," that would be 100% in keeping with their M.O.

>>80822758
>outrigger
Wtf.
*normie

>>80822791
Their intentions don't matter, Danny should have preserved the drug even if it was in bad hands. The Hand didn't invent the drug, slav dad did

>>80822666
>Agents of SHIELD is better

Dude, they managed to squander Hydra. One minute Hydra is the secret rulers of planet Earth, the next... welp, everyone is dead apparently, and fucking Ward is in charge.

And then it was "no actually there's another guy in charge!"

And then he wasn't and a fucking alien was in charge. The writers looked long and hard at the source material and went "nah, we know better".

I mean fuck, Agents of SHIELD started off well, right? Except its pilot ALONE had a bigger budget than Iron Fist's entire SEASON. And then Agents just forgot whatever the fuck it wanted to do.

>>80822758
Nah Matt ruined things worse for the people around him.

>>80822874
Protip: Danny's not a pharmacologist and wouldn't understand the ramifications of the drug.

>>80822482
>>takes an oath to protect the people who rescued, raised and trained him, then fucks off without telling literally anyone, despite being their number one defence and having taken on a literally sacred role

THIS IS THE SHIT THAT MAKES ME MAD THE MOST.
>Thinks the Iron Fist will give him purpose
>Knows what he's getting into
>Knows what he'll have to do for the rest of his life if he succeeds
>Succeeds
>Bored out of his mind, doesn't feel anything
>Runs away from responsability like a little bitch to "find himself"
>In the end of his rediscovery journey he's fucking IDENTICAL to what he was in the beginning
>Failed to do the ONE thing he's supposed to and lost his second home

Davos was right, man. Fuck Danny, the cunt.

>>80822962
He's also not a businessman. Danny should probably not act so much on things he knows fuck all about

>>80822980
Davos was the best character on the show

What Danny is was essentially
>Ok General Mattis, you are in charge of the defence of the entire nation
>This is an incredibly important role, millions of lives depend on you keeping the country safe, so here's a great deal of power to do so
>Battle happens
>nah.

>>80822958
Luke got a lot of people killed. But at least he genuinely tried and didn't consistently blow off obligations like matt and danny

Danny didn't pull off the homeless look. He looked like a college kid that had spend a year in asia and had turned into an asiaboo

>>80823184
He should've been in monk garbs or brown rags instead of stoner clothing.

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>>80822980
Going by the books, the whole "this is a sacred duty and no Iron Fist has ever been anything but loyalty incarnate" is the most laughably bullshit-filled propaganda this side of Trump's twitter feed.

I mean, I'm not saying that the show's writers are clever enough to show that Danny's just the latest of many Iron Fists to go "yeah I heard what I'm meant to do, and thought about it, and figured... fuck that shit". But it would be in keeping with the source material.

Best Iron Fist ran the fuck away from K'Un Lun and became a pirate queen because she was bored as fuck in K'un lun and the guy she wanted to bone had left the city.

I would pay money to have someone walk up to Danny in the show "what, you seriously think you're the first Iron Fist to abandon your post? Hahahaha that's adorable."

>>80823065
Yes, a man who was lost as a child and raised by monks in a magic city is not a scientist or businessman. This is actually a major plot point of the show.


Whatever real world value the drug would have, within the perspective of the character and the framing of the narrative, it is part of a plot by an organization that is known to be evil.

Getting upset about something that makes sense within the context of a fictional story is some serious autism.

Comic book danny: fights people like iron man, x-men, hulks son, a dragon. Can break asgardian weapons with his fists. 1 punch KOs luke several times
Tv danny: normie whose fist occassionally becomes a sledgehammer
What did they mean by this

>>80823237
>this side of Trump's twitter feed.
You realize shoving ideological statements into unrelated conversation like this makes you sound like a tool, right? Doesn't matter what ideology

>>80823253
The point is that danny shouldn't act recklessly about things he doesn't understand, be it business or medicine. His upbringing justifies not knowing about these things, but they don't justify him doing these things anyways

>>80822980
>>80823094

In the comics IF's main motivation for training and eventually GTFOing out of Kun Lun was revenge. Would that have worked here? It's a much stronger driving force than some vague notion of reclaiming an identity. It's kinda hackneyed tho.

>>80823474
Clearly it couldn't have been worse

>>80823444
No, the whole point is that Danny acts recklessly about these things because he doesn't understand them.

>>80823558
That doesn't make sense.
I don't understand surgery so I just don't cut people

>>80823335
See
>>80822039

$3 million per episode. Less than an ep of, oh... Boardwalk Empire, Deadwood, House of Cards, Lost, Carnivalle... shit it cost less than the latter seasons of Deep Space Nine.

Now a really good director can stretch a budget, but come on, this was one hell of an uphill battle. They needed exotic locations, high-end stunt men, and special effects that could convey "this guy killed a dragon barehanded" and were armed with less money than it takes to make an episode of E.R..

The show was fucked from the get-go.

Sometimes laws of inheritance result in someone gaining lots of money and power despite the fact that they should under no circumstances be in charge. That's just Capitalism, don't get angry at Danny because our culture keeps rewarding babies for being born to the right people.

>>80813310
>mismanages a company so hard it probably had to fire hundreds of people

Be specific, who and how?

>causes a settlement for 200m for one cancer patient.

This was an accident and pure bullshit, and you know it. Even DD would have said that was a scumbag move by that woman's attorneys. Danny clearly had no idea he was being setup, it's Ward and Joy's fault for not having a minder on him. Literally all billionaires have up to six people around them at all times to prevent this sort of thing.

>selling medicine at a loss, meaning there will be no further r&d and cures funded

That's factually incorrect, the writer's just made this up. Most pharma companies literally create medicines exactly like the one mentioned in the show and give it away. Danny wanted to sell it at cost. They do this on the scale of billions of dollars by the way. Why? Because it buys them good will, it's a write-off, and in the new market they are penetrating (i.e. Africa or South America) they can go, "Remember that time we saved your relatives? Buy our brand."

>causes the death of the inventor of a heroin that doesn't build immunity and can be produced synthetically, which would make it both safe and an incredible evolution in anaesthetiology, and stopping distribution of it. without a doubt killing millions

You completely misunderstood what was happening there. The heroin was still completely addictive (Ward took it and that's why he was fucked up in rehab, did you forget Bakuto had to give him the antidote?), if not moreso than regular heroin. The big difference was that producing the drug was somehow not illegal? I think that the writers flubbed this one. It would still be a Schedule 1 drug, and clearly was since the DEA tried to arrest Danny. I think what they meant to say was that you could produce it without poppy seeds, or advanced pharma equipment.

Show was still bad though, but you're wrong about the above points.

>>80823716
It's pretty much the opposite of capitalist ideals.

>>80823633

Iron Fist also had the least amount of pre-production. We knew this before it came out, and then it was confirmed later on.

>>80823716
>I was born with huge fists, don't blame me for punching the shit out of random people

>>80823591
Danny was raised from the age of 10 to fight the Hand, an organization that is known to him to want to destroy both Kun Lun and the world.

When returns to New York to reclaim his former life, he discovers that said organization has infiltrated the company that is literally his only connection to his family and his identity. This the mind of thing that could make someone emotional.

The only thing he knows to do, the only thing he has been trained to do, is to destroy the Hand.

His actions make sense within the confines of the story.

>>80823838

Yup. Davos is the one who doesn't make any fucking sense.

>"Davos, the Hand is right here in New York. You know that organization we're supposed to be fighting?"
>"Like, literally, two of their Generals, are right here. Hell, one of them is in a prison made by the other. We can shut down this major operation."
>"What? We need to go back to the fucking magic city in China just to protect a path?"
>"Now you're stabbing me in the back and you aren't even going back to the city anyway? Well, fuck you too."

Davos was retarded.

>>80813310
>t. Big pharma rep

Choke on nigger jizzand die faggot

>>80823775
No dude, the government buys it subsidized with tax dollars and donates it as foreign aid.
From pre-clinical to market it costs billions of dollars to produce one drug, a vast majority of the time the drugs will fail human trials, and with high throughput screening they go through millions of different potential compounds.
An opiate that doesn't produce tolerance is exactly what pharmacology researchers are looking for right now in analgesics. Look at omega connotoxin research.

>>80823900
See: >>80823775

OP doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't know how Pharma actually works, and neither do you.

>>80815715
Luke cage was about racism?

>>80823775
Shuts down production at a factory - until we can figure it out. Sure he pays his employees but what about all the suppliers and distributors?

>>80823838
Damn, that was a typo-filled mess. I apologize.

Anyway, for the last 15 years Danny has had it drilled into his head that the Hand is the ultimate evil and must be destroyed.
That includes any byproducts of their machinations

>>80823908
>No dude, the government buys it subsidized with tax dollars and donates it as foreign aid.

They do both.

>An opiate that doesn't produce tolerance is exactly what pharmacology researchers are looking for right now in analgesics.

That's only one facet, the other is preventing addiction. This is why pharmaceutical companies are trying to come up with pain killers that you can't get addicted to, or have a low chance of becoming addicted to. They want to avoid the massive fall out that the opiates they pushed is going to cause for them in about 5-10 years time, but I very much doubt they will.

>>80823775
They specifically said it was heroin that didn't build tolerance. This would be a very very very good thing, regardless of addictiveness

>>80823893
He probably went back to the city and it wasn't there, and he probably blames Danny for not protecting the path.

>>80823961

You mean those third-parties? Not his problem, and even then they can just approach another chemical manufacturer. There's plenty to be found, either here or abroad. The worst that happens is time-tables are missed.

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>>80821312
>The Hand (Less intimidating)
thank you no one seems to mention the hand were a bunch of baby fucks in this show in daredevil the same people that operated with GAO was digging entire skyscrapers out of the ground but now they can barley sell drugs wtf happened

There's no possible way to create a heroin like drug without causing addiction.
All opiates, semi-synthetic opioids, and opioids all work the same way. Any drug that even slightly acts on the mu-opioid, delta, or kappa receptors, the one responsible for analgesia, will build tolerance.

>>80815715
Fuck JJ, glad that prison bitch she was trying to save slits her own throat at the end

>>80824002

>Addicts are a good thing
>Tolerance isn't an issue

This is what you're saying.

Tolerance and addictiveness go hand in hand.

If you become tolerant, you take higher doses or move onto "harder" drugs. This is the problem with pain management currently.

Unfortunately, these same drugs are also highly addictive. Which means that even if you avoid the tolerance, you are still addicted to them.

That's why we have an opiate epidemic.

You want to avoid both, not just one. If you can avoid just one, you still have the same problem.

>>80824037
Hence why it would be such an insanely valuable drug. Imagine how crazy good it would be for operations. You can't build tolerance so you could make amazingly accurate dosages for patients

>>80824100
Wat. That's the opposite of what I'm saying

>>80824121

But think of the repercussions.

It isn't some sort of super hard to create designer drug that they keep restricted to operations, like the chemicals involved with anesthesia. It's a form of heroin you can make in a bathtub, and it has all of the addictive properties still and none of the tolerance building. Oh, and it still has the withdrawal symptoms.

>>80816092
>Theres a luke cage show? Is it good?

Worse than Iron Fist.

>>80824147

Nigger, if it is still fucking addictive, you are going to have addicts because the addicts don't want to go through withdrawal.

I don't give a shit that in your highly specific scenario which isn't relevant to the show at all it could be useful.

If the Hand had made a form of heroin that was extremely potent, and had none of the bad sides. Well then, that'd be just dandy. But instead they just made a super drug that could put everyone else out of business, and creates even more addicts.

>>80824100
If you can acoid one, yes; you still have a problem. But you're assuming that addicion is the only problem with opioids. First of all, lower doses are safer, even if you're an addict it would be less dangerous. Secondly, opioids are used for actual medicine, where tolerance is a problem. It would be way better without it. Addiction doesn't matter in this context

>>80824121
We get it, you know more about pharmacology than the writers of a TV show.

However, as has been stated Danny does not understand these things. He understands that an ancient evil ninja cult is using his family legacy to produce a drug and sell it on the street. The same cult he's been training for 15 years to defeat.

He's a warrior, and he's applying a warrior's solution.

DD S1/2 > Jessica Jones > Iron Fist > Luke Cage

>>80824121
The point was that the drug would not be a heroin-like drug at all. It's possible to create drugs that prevent pain that do not act on our opiate receptors in the brain, but it's literally impossible to have a drug act in the opiate receptors without causing tolerance.
There's no way it can be done. It's not a matter of creating a new drug because it's how our biology works.

>>80824219

It would only be less dangerous in the sense of killing you, but it wouldn't mean there is less addicts. This would actually mean there is more addicts because suddenly the heroin turns into something people can push as, "you can't OD on this and you can get higher than being xanies and weed." Great, now we have heroin addicts everywhere and the old addicts aren't kicking off from OD'ing because they can't. Awesome.

And once again, this wasn't intended for medical use. It was to control the drug trade.

>>80824168
I don't think you understand how super duper fantastical this drug would be for the medical world. Literally every heroin user in the world could get a heart attack then and there and the drug would save more lives than that in hospitals because its just that crazy good.

>>80824321
>And once again, this wasn't intended for medical use.
But it could have been adapted, for fucks sake. My point was never that it would stop addicts

>>80824373
That's not the point of the story, however.

>>80815715
Luke Cage wasn't about racism at all.
The only racist thing in the show was that black Democrat's "keep Harlem black" campaign and even that didn't really matter in the story.

>>80824430
Sure, I'm just being pedantic. The overarching theme of danny not considering the consequences of his actions is not a stretch however, that just makes danny a dick. Danny knows his company deals with incredibly weighty decisions, people tell him he should ease into it, but yet he still acts impulsively against everyone elses advice. This is asshole behavior, nothing in dannys background justifies being irresponsible

>>80823335
Yeah not when he was first introduced. He's gotten much stronger over the years and even in the comics until very recently he was always known as the weakest iron fist in history.

>DUDE MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EMOTION LMAO
>DUDE WHY DIDN'T HE JUST ACT RATIONALLY LMAO

Republicunts, everyone!

>>80824536
He fights iron man in his first appearance afaik

>>80824541
>DUDE MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EMOTION
Dude, money actually affects the world, his actions will have a net negative impact on the world. The problem isn't that he was altruistic, it's that he did it in a destructive way

>>80823838
Add to this that he had a major childhood trauma that he was never allowed to deal with because he was immediately put into abusive training and told to push down all his emotions so he could fulfill their prophecy.

He drank the koolaid and thought once he had the iron fist he would feel complete and he felt nothing. So he left immediately to try to get some resolution to everything he had been suppressing. On a psychological note, the unstable manchild in the show is realistic.

>>80824541
Money buys you every emotion you want.

>>80817588
the problem with shkreli is just jumped on someone elses work and then as soon as people called him out he started all this give it to poor eople for free and all that, i bet to actually qualify for the free drugs you probably have to fit some ridiculous set of demands, although america is fucking ruined by drug companies so hes no worse than the others

>>80824682
my nigga

>>80824516
In so far as the antivirals or the cancer lawsuit is concerned, you're absolutely right.

But the synthetic heroin is being produced by an evil organization using the company as a front, not the company itself. He has no logical reason to think anything beneficial could come of it.

>>80824373
Lets also not forget how fucking hyper addictive it was and dangerous to detox off of as they mentioned when Ward was in the institution. You need the fucking cure to get off it.

>>80824588
Yeah and back then iron man was a c lister. He was basically only on the avengers to pay for everything.

>>80824758
Ward was on other pain meds, not heroin.

>>80824795
He used the heroin, nigga.

>>80824795
He was fine on the pain meds, taking the heroin is what sent him off the deep end. Hand leader #2 had to show up and give him their antidote because he wasn't getting any progress in a very dangerous withdrawal.

ffs people complain shit doesn't make sense when they're not even paying attention.

>>80816260

IF starts of strong but halfway though is starts to stumble.

It turns literally into this:
IF: "graaaa! ima guna destroy da hand!"
someone: "how?"
IF: "dunno! graa! destroy da hand!"
someone: "what's your plan?"
IF: "graa! grab gau graa! destroy hand!"
someone: "what are you going to do with her?"
IF: "we can't kill her because that would make us as bad she is (considering she has killed hundreds, if not thousands, this is fucking retarded, like always.)
someone: "well, how are we going to deal with her?"
IF: "da hand! graaa! destroy them! grab gay destroy gay! but we can't kill her so we put her in jail! GRAAA! eternal sworn enemy of hand! destroy!"

It becomes really fucking tedious, very fast.

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What a qt

>>80824930
She was probably hot as fuck when she was in her 60s.

>>80825047
Yes. Great facial aesthetics, just really old

>>80815715
LC wasn't even about racism, it was a bout how urban crime can develope at home, and destroy families, but you just need to do the right thing to solve it. Fuck those SJW that want to give it another kind of spin.

>>80822301
Blood

>>80824891
This. Luke Cage had the same problem:
>I'm invincible for bullets
>gangster is doing bad things
>how do I stop him?
Just come to his place and kill that motherfucker, nigga.
>No, I feel confused
>I never asked for this
>but I'm not crying
>Luke Cage strong nigga
>Luke Cage do right things
>Luke Cage good
>*barber shop owner and >9999 other people are dead*
>Luke Cage feel bad about this
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>80820258
hahaha I thought this the whole time

I didn't hate this show, but I've been having a hard time articulating why it didn't suck... Parts of it were entertaining but other parts were really stupid and not good. I gotta think about this more.

>>80822482
>... Davos was tossed aside like trash. Oh but it was 'justified' by the 'I left you not Kun Lun' one liner ...
In truth, that made me laugh so hard. There was absolutely no supporting evidence for that statement, but it was treated like an absolute truth and a revelation for them both; even better, the statement wasn't even visited on again during or after their fight. The only way that the statement could be justified is by arguing that Davos' attempts to get Danny to return to his literal station during the most critical time were simply feelings of transferred resentment. And, to make matters worse *and* to directly disprove that argument, Kun Lun is shown to be fucking gone because Danny wasn't there, at the end of the show.

>>80825945
>Just come to his place and kill that motherfucker, nigga.
>No, I feel confused
>I never asked for this
>but I'm not crying
That was really annoying. And Colter's bland as fuck, unbearable on screen