AHHH AFTER 10,000 YEARS I'M FREE IT'S TIME TO

FUUUUUUUUCK MY FINGER

MY FINGER WHICH HOLDS ALL OF MY POWER HAS BEEN CUT OFF!!

WHY, OH WHY DID I REACH OUT WITH MY HAND TO A GUY HOLDING A SWORD

>>80666710
Fucking this people claim that he was more powerful than morgoth in 3rd age lost battle by getting his finger cut
inb4 muh spirit survived

>>80666771

He probably is, Morgoth is INCREDIBLY weak. A total shadow compared to his former self: Melkor. The first to be created and the mightiest of all creations.

>>80666464
STOP, MY INVINCIBLE SON

>>80666771
Morgoth wasn't that "strong" at the end because of how much of his essence he'd used in corrupting ME. Also keep in mind, when they say Sauron is strong, they mean him and his whiplashed army, not just him personally

>>80666464
MAKE MY MONSTER GROW!

>>80666883

Well Tolkien said Sauron was "greater" which i take as sorta being Sauron in particular

>>80666464
Noooo, my perfect plan failed
And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling hobbits and that stupid gollum!

>>80666464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGV6bCTMM5w

>>80666883
>>80666804
Ya but morgoth was still creator of almost all evil creatures except spiders
Sauron did not create anything he just used morgoth's creations to achieve his goals which he failed in the end

>>80667125
he created the one ring...
and through deception he destroyed almost all of the numenor.
He's pretty evil on his own

>>80667107
>Melkor after escaping the Void.

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>be me
>born under the Two Trees
>my hair capture their light inside them, be beautiful af
>this edgy elf-prince falls for them, wants one of my hair
>tell him to fuck off because I am an edgy teen myself
>he is a great craftsman though so he captures the light of the Trees himself on some crystals to fap to
>whatever
>he gets increasingly paranoid over someone stealing them
>eventually this evil god shows up and kills his father, fucks up the trees and steals the gems
>massive shitstorm
>fast forward 8000 years
>2 civil wars, 3 genocides, millions dead, two continents obliterated, a dozen civilizations and races lost later, all this bullshit seems about to come to an end
>the gems are destroyed and the last Maiar follower of this asshole is about to get his shit rekt
>see we got his ring of power and we are going to destroy him forever
>this random dwarf shows up and likes my hair too
>he asks for a hair of my head
>dwarves are good craftsmen right?
>oh hell no, we are not doing this again
>give him a hair and two more for backup

>>80668581
she was such a bitch
also: the gems weren't destroyed
one is with earendil on his spaceship
one is lost in the ocean
one is lost in the earths core or soemething (fell into a magma filled rupture in the earth i think)

air+water+earth=????

>>80668773
= Arda (the world)

The gems returned to the basic elements of the creation where they belonged

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>>80668531

Would Melkor be at full power upon his return from the void?

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>>80668773

>earendil on his spaceship

I cannot help but laugh at the thought of how little fucks this guy must give

>ring on gauntlet
>fully exposed
>doesn't even touch him

HACKSON

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>>80670286
Probably

>>80670286

No, he transferred his power into the fabric of reality in an attempt to corrupt the whole world. That's how Tulkas was able to beat him up, Melkor at full power was a match for all the other Vala at once.

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>BLAAAARGH NOOO NOT MY FINGERS

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>>80670364

How in the living FUCK are they hoping to beat Melkor at full power PLUS all his followers this time?

They're going to need a new planet once this is finished.

>>80670435
We have tanks and nukes now anon
Dragons are no match for SAMs

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>>80670449

>Dragons are remotely a problem when you're dealing with full-force Melkor on the field

>>80670435
>implying Tulkas can't just wrestle Melkor into submission like the little bitch he is

>>80668773
>one is lost in the earths core or soemething (fell into a magma filled rupture in the earth i think)

I always felt that the biggest missed story idea in Tolk's work is in not making the Arkenstone be the lost Silmaril of Maedros. It would explain why the Elves were willing to go to war over it, something that makes zero sense in the Hobbit (the Elves want some gold? What? Why?).

what happened to ungoliant? she ate herself right? was she stronger than melkor

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>>80670510

>he thinks Tulkas can stand a chance

Fear is one of Melkor's downsides, he ran from Tulkas without ever confronting him.

>>80670286
he will be yes. At the end of times. But then he will be defeated and the race of men finally finds redemption:

>According to the prophecy, Morgoth will discover how to break the Door of Night, and will blacken the Sun and the Moon. For the love of these, Eärendil will return from the sky and shall meet Tulkas, Manwë, Eönwë (with the old version of his name Fionwe) and Túrin Turambar on the plains of Valinor.
>There the forces of the Valar shall fight against Melkor and The Dark Powers. Tulkas will wrestle with Morgoth, but it will be by the hand of Túrin that finally death and destruction will be dealt to Melkor. Túrin will run his black sword Gurthang (Iron of Death) through Melkor's heart, thus avenging the Children of Húrin (Sindarin: Hîn Húrin) and all the fallen (In the end of The Hiding of Valinor Eönwë, and not Turin, kills Morgoth). Then the three Silmarils will be recovered from the Earth, sea, and sky, then Fëanor taking them and will break, and with their fire Yavanna will rekindle the Two Trees, and a great light shall come forth, and Pelóri Mountains will be levelled. The battle will end and renew Arda's existence: all the Elves will awaken and the Powers will be young again.
>Following this, there will be a Second Music of the Ainur. This song will sing into being a new world. Men and Elves will sing it with the Ainur. It is unknown what the fate of the old races, or of the old world, will be in the new one. However, It is worth noting that the Dwarves believe that after the greatest battle of all time, they will help the Vala, Mahal, rebuild Arda. For though Mandos prophesied it, even the Ainur do not know anything of the second world or the Second Music. All the Ainur know is that the Second Music will be greater than the First Music.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath

>>80670491
Melkor made dragons because he literally couldnt deal with elves on iron armor
Wait until he meets thermobaric artillery barrage

>>80670364

This is so wrong in so many ways.
>Galdriel not Chaotic
>Gandalf not Lawful Good
>Sauron not Lawful
>Fucking BOMBADIL

1/10, apply yourself.

>>80670449
>Melkor returns
>Re-incorporates Sauron
>Sauron "goes to have a chat" with POTUS
>Suddenly, Melkor has the full military might of the USA at his disposal

>>80670581

Dragons are just a distillation of his power. He made dragons because his power was only a tiny fraction of what it once was.

>>80670584
Sauron isnt even in the picture m8

>>80668773
>earendil on his spaceship
Could you explain?

>>80670575
>Tulkas will wrestle with Morgoth, but it will be by the hand of Túrin that finally death and destruction will be dealt to Melkor.

Fucking RIP Tulkas.

>>80670530

It's unclear, but given the existence of Shelob presumably Ungoliant lived long enough to breed at least.

Stronger than Melkor? No, she could maybe out-fight him but Melkor has more tricks up his sleeve than just being physically powerful.

>>80670663
Toot-toot

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Vingil%C3%B3t%C3%AB

>>80670662

Who's that under Neutral Evil "mate"?

>>80666464
Why he wasn't invisible?

>>80670711
Ungoliath is her own thing, not a part of Illuvatars creation
I doubt she even is killable

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>>80670663
he has a ship, with which he can fly and he has a glowing silmaril on his armor or helmet, i don't remember. He sails the sky every night and has become the morning star

>>80670732
>who is this dude in sick armor with a crown of 3 gems?

>>80670663

There's literally a magic elf flying around a spaceship that looks like a giant glowing white magical longboat and atop his brow on a circlet sits one of the most powerful and rare magic artifact gems ever created and responsible for most of the chaos that occured in the universe just fighting to posess it.

You can look up during nightfall on Middle-Earth and see his ship as a bright light in the sky that sometimes comes and goes as he sails around the universe.

His crowning achievement was battling and defeating a Dragon so big it blotted out the entire sun when it was in the sky and when it fell it destroyed a mountain range. He did this flying alongside an army of eagles with the King of Eagles himself who is like the size of a 747 Boeing. Nobody knows HOW he killed the dragon, it's just left to the readers imagination that he did something with the silmarillion and his flying longboat blessed by fucking VARDA the Goddess of Stars herself.

>>80670732
morgoth
he has the three silmaril visibly on his crown

>>80670754

She's definitely part of Creation, the Vala didn't know where she came from but presumably she was caused by Melkor's marring of Arda in some way.

>>80670736

The ring just enhances what the user is good at. Hobbits turn invisible and Sauron turns into a big guy

>>80670775
>>80670787

Then who's that with UIngoliant under CE? Surely it can't mean Ungoliant is CE, she was an animal, that's Neutral in D&D terms.

But ok, putting Melkor under NE is as stupid as putting Sauron there.

>>80670680
does it seriously imply Tulkas will die? I just thought Melkor will be double teamed

>>80670829

Ungoliant is definitely CE. She's not an animal, she's an evil entity born from the Void itself whose webs absorb light leaving pitch blackness around her.

She also feasts on pure light itself.

>>80670812

Sauron's natural form after the fall of Numenor was as a Big Guy, the ring didn't "do" anything to Sauron, he was it's master. It just gave him access to the power he placed in it, and also allowed him to channel the "Morgoth Element" that was particularly intense in gold (hence the love of gold by the Dragons).

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>>80670875

Tulkas can't die as a Valar but he's going to get his ass kicked by a full powered Melkor that doesn't decide to run.

And he's going to love it.

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>>80670829
>cant recognise morgoth
>thinks ungoliant is an animal
>dude who just wanted to sign his own thing and everyone got buttmad over it is not neutral

>>80670711
>Stronger than Melkor? No
Ungoliant was about to fuck Melkor's shit in until the Balrogs arrived to save Melkor

>>80670888

How do you know he's not just a tiny guy in a big guy suit of armour?

>>80670877

Idk if she demonstrates intelligence. Also, Melkor is the very definition of CE, he hates reality and wants to destroy it. I'd put Ungoliant under NE if you must have her on the chart, but again I don't think animals have alignment, even when they're bred for violence.

>>80670791
I believe she was literally the Void preexisting creation (which is the case in most mythologies too)

>>80670930

In the books he doesn't wear armor, in fact there is no plate armor at all in Middle Earth, just chain armor.

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>>80670711
>>80670922

>you will never NOPE so hard at a giant scary spider that your scream shakes the foundations of the Earth itself and even thousands of years into the time of Lord of the Rings people can still hear the faint echo of your scream if they listen closely in this valley

>>80670908
>And he's going to love it
don't make me think dirty thoughts now

>>80670812
>Isildur was a Hobbit

>>80670933
>Idk if she demonstrates intelligence.

She literally speaks and made a pact with Morgoth to go fuck up peoples trees because she and Morgoth are both a pair of assholes.

She's not an animal.

>>80670957

I don't think its clear, but I do think the Eru must have created her, or else provided the raw material or her, since Tolkien is very firm that ONLY God can create, the lesser Valar can at best corrupt His creations.

this thread reminds me of that madara copypasta

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>>80670982

imagine being a Hobbit with a foot fetish and walking around Hobbiton

>>80670996

A bird speaks to Bard in the Hobbit, does that mean it wasn't an animal? Animals can speak in mythology. Also, bear in mind that Silmarillion is written by an unreliable narrator, it's the "Bible of the Elves", it wasn't written by anyone who actually saw many of the events it features.

>>80671002

"nameless things that gnaw the earth" comes to mind here.

She's a horrific entity born from the Void itself that descended to the Arda to feast upon light itself.

Eru made some fucked up shit here and there.

>>80667125
>Sauron did not create anything

>>80671055
Do you think Dragons should be counted as animals too?

Your logic is going to fall down shortly.

>>80666464
I seriously don't get what people see in this guy, he comes off as one of the lamest, most uninteresting villains ever.

>>80670781
>a Dragon so big it blotted out the entire sun when it was in the sky and when it fell it destroyed a mountain range
Someone please post the size comparison chart

>>80671064

What did he create? The Rings of Power? Oops, that's just channelling the Morgoth Element. The Uruk Hai? Oops, that's just improving on Melkor's work.

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>>80670908
>And he's going to love it.

this.
can you imagine. Tulkas who always eager ran into battle laughing, getting his face smashed in by melkor.... but he doesn't stop laughing... and melkor gets more angry and more desperate, but Tulkas just keeps laughing and laughing and laughing....

>>80666464
TEN THOOOOOOOOUSAND YEARS WILL GIVE YOU SUCH A CRICK IN THE NECK

>>80666710
>my finger
Didn't Elendil and Gil-galad just defeat him in open combat? And then Isildur just took the ring off his dead remains?

>>80671087

Most dragons were just big unintelligent animals tho.

>>80671129
>melkor gets more angry and more desperate, but Tulkas just keeps laughing and laughing and laughing....
sounds great

>>80671102
>The Rings of Power?

Yep.

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>>80671097
here you go, m'good fellow

>>80671153

Proof?

>>80671144
yes, but this is /tv/ so we are talking about the movies

>>80671170

How is that an act of creation? It's literally just channeling his master's power, that Melkor bound into creation, and that is most concentrated in gold.

>>80671203
>How is that an act of creation?

I guess because he created it?

>>80671227
when Tolkien said evil can't create--he mean't they can't create something completely original

>>80671144

>just defeat him

Didn't one of those dudes get picked up by Sauron and literally explode into fire because of the heat of Sauron's armour?

>>80671227

Does a carpenter create the chair he makes? No, he just rearranges existing matter until it becomes something we call a chair.

>>80670996
>be me
>be very dark and pretty boring
>be hanging around with my bros
>dad says we are going to create a world by singing
>neat, I love singing
>singing starts, throw my sick jams
>everyone gets angry over it and say they are ugly
>fuck you guys I liek my jams
>dad kicks me out of the band wtf
>leave home and be emo about singing by myself
>meet this big ass spider and hang around because at least she is some kind of company
>hear everyone talking about those amazing gems and want to see them too but I am banned
>friendly spider says will help me sneak in to have a look
>get in, turns out big spider is crazy bitch, kills the Two Trees and wants to eat the Silmarils
>wtf I didnt want this
>grab silmaris and run away, bitch spider chases me around
>manage to save 3 of them
>everyone thinks I stole them
>everyone hates me
>want to kill self but cant because immortal
>fuck this gay earth
>fuck everyone
>I just wanted to jam with my bros

>>80671259
>Does a carpenter create the chair he makes?

Yes?

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>>80671176
here's the real one

>>80671272

Then you're not using the word as Tolkien intended it and are simply falling into the fallacy of equivocation.

>>80666464
>I AM COMPLETE!!!!

FuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUCK!!

>YES YOU ARE FUCKED!
>SHIT OUT OF LUCK!
>NOW I'M COMPLETE AND MY COCK YOU WILL SUCK!
>THIS WORLD WILL BE MINE!!
>AND YOU'RE FIRST IN LINE!!
>YOU BROUGHT ME THE [ring] AND NOW YOU SHALL BOTH DIE!!!

Wait! Wait! Wait!
You motherfucker
We challenge you to a rock off!
Give us one chance to rock your socks off....

>>80671203
by that logic melkor didn't create anything on his own either, because he just worked with and corrupted the material that Eru brought into the void when he created Arda

>>80671283

This one is more accurate going by Glaurungs size.

>>80671259
>Does a carpenter create the chair he makes?
yes

>>80671296
Oh OK, so sauron didn't create the rings. Someone else did. I got ya.

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>>80671283
Glaurung was the King of Dragons and probably the largest one too
This is my interpretation

>>80671203
I think you mean that Eru created them.

>>80671153
that really isn't true. In every description they're being described as cunning, intelligent and evil

>>80671343

Wasn't Glaurung merely the first?

>>80671317
Sauron didn't create the CONCEPT of rings, but Sauron made the Ring of Power after the rings that came before it

>>80671306
>by that logic melkor didn't create anything on his own either

Correct. This is one of the central themes of the books, that evil cannot create, but can only corrupt..

>>80671365
Oh so he did create the rings. Thanks for clarifying.

>>80671317
>>80671309

See >>80671296

>>80671392
>muh equivocation

>>80671305
>Fuck, fuck, fuck
>The demon code prevents me
>From declining a rock off challenge
>What are your terms? What's the catch?

If we win, you must take your sorry ass back to hell.
And also you will have to pay our rent.

>And what if I win?

Then you can take [frodo] back to hell...
What?
Trust me [frodo], it's the only way,
What the fuck are you talking about?
To be your little bitch.

>Fine! Let the rock off begin! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha!
>I'm the [Sauron], I love metal!
>Check this riff, it's fucking tasty
>I'm the [Sauron], I can do what I want,
>Whatever I got I'm gonna flaunt,
>There's never been a rock off that I've ever lost
>I can't wait to take [frodo] back to hell
>I'm gonna fill him with my hot demon gel
>I'll make him squeal like my scarlet pimpernel

No!
C'mon [frodo], bring the thunder.
There's just no way that we can win,
That was a masterpiece.
Listen to me
He rocks too hard because he's not a mortal man
Goddamn-it [frodo],
He gonna make you his sex slave,
You're gonna gargle mayonnaise
No
Unless we bust a massive monster mammoth jam.
Dude, we've been through so much shit,
Deactivated lasers with my dick
Now it's time to blow this fucker down!
C'mon [frodo], now it's time to blow doors down
I hear you [sam], now it's time to blow doors down
Light up the stage 'cause it's time for a showdown
We'll bend you over then we'll take you to Brown Town
Now we've got to blow this fucker down
He's gonna rape me if we do not blow doors down
C'mon [frodo] 'cause it's time to blow doors down
Oh, we'll piledrive you, it's time for the smackdown
Hey anti-christ-er, Beelzeboss,
We know your weakness our rocket-sauce
We rock the casbah, and blow your mind
We will defeat you for all mankind
You hold the scepter,
We hold the key
You are the devil,
We are the Fellowship [18x]

>You guys are fuckin' lame.
>Come on [frodo], you're coming with me.
>Taste my lightning, fucker!

>>80671422
Well, someone created the rings. Just tell me who.

>>80671362
He is mentioned as "the first and greatest of dragons"
He had some sick magic powers too, so greatest is probably a reference to that rather than his actual size

>>80671283
this picture is retarded and makes it even sadder that he was defeated by this>>80670765
>>80670781

>>80671435

By your logic, I can insist that you must be made of wood, because a faggot is also a bundle of sticks.

>>80671466
No, by my logic I would say that my mom and dad created me. So who created the ring? I thought Sauron did.

>>80671343
Glaurung could rest his head on a hill. Ancalgon destroyed an entire mountain range by falling on it. There's no real dispute that Ancalgon was larger than Glaurung.

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>>80671283
>>80671176
Cheers lads

>>80670781
>You can look up during nightfall on Middle-Earth
You can see it here too
We are on the same world, all constellations described by Tolkien match ours

>>80671402
see >>80671358

>>80671483

Sorry, I don't reply to bundles of wood.

>>80671530
Oh, so you were just trolling the whole time. 8/10, had me going.

>>80671483
Eru is the single creator

>>80671358

Eru created gold, but Melkor is the one who placed his evil power into it, and it was this power that Sauron was tapping in to.

You guys wanna know what's worst?

Sauron spent pretty much the entire second age slowly and painfully corrupting men which finally climaxed when he convinced Numenoreans to invade Aman.

And what happened? Fucking Eru intervened and said "fuck you". Talk about Deus ex machina. This is why Tom Bombadil didn't care. He knew no matter what, God would just intervene and save everything. What a fucking ripoff.

Sauron was the true underdog of the entire series.

>>80671557
So nobody created anything except Eru? Who created the ring of power? Eru?

>>80667107
Gloryhammer is kino

>>80671560
and who created Melkor?

>>80671343
Glaurung was small enough to fit into the treasure room of Nargothrond for a comfy sleep on top of the loot. Meanwhile, Ancalagon basically broke three Evil Mt. Everests when it died.

>>80666464
Why does he wear the ring OVER the armor?

How does he take it off?

>>80671635
>three evil mt. everests
kek

>>80671451
He's definitely nowhere near as big as Ancalgon physically. Powerwise, he most likely is the greatest though.

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>All of these faggot nerd names being said ITT
No wonder why no girl wants to give you fags any pussy

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>>80671698
>he thinks I haven't convinced my girlfriend to at least watch the movies

>>80671359
Thats true for most first age dragons (smaug) being the last of them. All the third age dragons are little more than animals

>>80671464

How is it sad? Do you know anything about Earendil?

>>80671362
First and greatest. He pulled some epic shenanigans unmatched by any dragon since

>>80671727
how did it go?
I have watched the first two with mine, but she only likes the hobbits (and gimli) and finds the rest meh sadly

>>80671764
>All the third age dragons
>third age dragons

Just stop

>>80671797
dump her asap

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>>80666464
GANDALF! SAURON HAS ESCAPED!

RECRUIT A FELLOWSHIP OF FREE-PEOPLES WITH ATTITUDE

>>80671579
By proxy, yes.... since he created matter

>>80671820
>dump the only girlfriend I've ever managed to get

I don't think so.

>>80671144
No

>>80671797
she liked it. she wont read the books since she's in med school, but she knows the major characters and she has seen LotR and the Hobbit trilogies

>>80671820
if you want to limit your choice in women to only those who really like LOTR you'd have a very limited choice
maybe in new zealand

>>80671806
>cold drakes of the withered heath

Bastard offspring of the great dragons

Can Melkor bring muh boy Sauron back to at least a presentable state or will he remain fucked up forever?

>>80671903
A lot of women like lotr, but it's still a dumb thing to dump anyone over.

>>80671912
All evil is restored sauron too

>>80666710
To be fair, I wouldn't expect a battle weary man to be able to swing a broken sword with enough strength to cut right through heavy plate gauntlets either

>>80671937
I thought he was ruined for life.

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>>80671937
so what happens to Saruman?

>>80671823
Kek

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>>80671933
>A lot of women like lotr
you mean
>A lot of women like to be/dress up as elves

>>80671912

Of course he will bring back his husbando

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG3u2TEdENQ

>>80671987
Its the end of the world scenario so technically it was for life

>>80672001
Saruman never bought into morgoth like sauron, he wasn't evil in that sense

>>80667125
Technically Morgoth didn't create anything. That's the point and the entire reason for his war. He couldn't create life, he could only twist and corrupt existing life.

Reminder: morgoth fucked with the fabric of reality.

It is because of him you stub your toe and because of him pedos and psychopaths exist

>>80670888
Here's a question about the nature of the Ring: Sauron poured most of his power into it, because the Master Ring had to be more powerful than the other Rings of Power. But the Rings of Power amplify the natural power of their users, so who was more powerful: Sauron before forging the Ring, or Sauron with the Ring on his finger?

>>80672161

You must admit its a more elegant solution to the problem of evil than the Christian one, which blames hurricanes and mosquitos on a rib-woman being tricked by an evil snek into eating a magic forbidden donut.

>>80672255
well Sauron with the ring allowed him to rise into even more power through the corruption of the other rings so

>>80671508
WE WUZ MIDDLE EARTH

>>80672255
sauron with the ring on his finger, because he was master of the other rings and ringbearers.
The concept of power is a little more vague with Tolkien than it is with comic book writers for example
power=influence over the natural world and the hearts and minds of people basically

>>80672255

Sauron after, with his ring. Not as powerful as he'd hoped, since the Elves and Dwarfs resisted corruption, but the ring amplified his power and as long as he had it, he had his original power as well.

>>80672290
I don't know why you think going after Christianity was smart in this case when Tolkien is a Catholic and much of his lore about good and evil are derived from his religion

>>80672290
the devil fucked with the humans free will
that's basically the same. It's a good story

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>>80672290
>>80672344
It was a nice thread

>>80672344

I don't know why you'd assume that a Tolkien fan wasn't aware of his Catholicism. I'm sure this was exactly what he intended in writing it, just as he "fixed" McBeth by having the "no man of woman born" be a woman, and not a caesarian, as in Shakespear's version.

>>80671978
The guy was a fucking demi-god and one swing from a broken sword defeats him.

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>>80666464
>mfw lotr plot is as deep as power rangers'

>>80672439

That's the point, it was written to illustrate broad mythological tropes.

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>>80671305
>>80671427

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>>80672400
from a broken sword being swing by a numenorian

>>80672326
>power=influence over the natural world and the hearts and minds of people basically
I think its the exact opposite in tolkenverse. The higher your position is the more powerful you are- kind of like how princes, aragaorn etc were much much more powerful than normal human.

>>80672463
>>80671305
>>80671427

Same kissless faggot.

>>80671572
>yfw your country produced two 'Sauron is actually good' fanfics, one of which is even published
Should I be proud?

>>80672490
Aragorn's strength derives from his Numenorean lineage, not because he's a king. His right to kingship comes after the fact, not the source of

>>80672500

To a modern perspective he kind of is. Sauron is the demon of industry and invention, he'd love the modern world and fit right in here. And he never simply betrays those who follow him, he even rewards their devotion with significant boons, and all he asks in return is your total obedience. Not like the likes a 4channer has much use for his free will anyway.

>>80672490
their power comes from magic genetics

>>80671572
Take the /tompill/

http://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html

>>80672539
but somehow the most powerful good guys are all kings and princes, really makes u think hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>80672539

Not really, his kingship is itself a source of great power for him. For example, anyone can use Kingsweed as a salve, but only the rightful King can use to heal serious injuries. His Elvish blood certainly made him superior to mere mudblood humans like Boromir, but the mythopoeic force of destiny favored him because he was the rightful King.

>>80672057
That's surprisingly sweet. Why would Morgoth save Sauron like that?

>>80672594

Makes a lot more sense than the canon reason he's in the book tbqh.

>>80672676

Sauron is his protégé.

>>80671259

it's ok philbro, these niggers will never understand.

Did Sauron end up in the void after the ring was destroyed? What about Sauronman?

Gandalf, get me 4 Hobbits-- WITH ATTITUDE!

>>80671259
>>80672769
What about the carpenter that invented the concept Didnt he create the arrangement that you call chair?
Does the kind of material used even matters if the arrangement fulfills the purpose of serving as a chair?

I swear you humanitiefags are such pretentious assholes that cant even come up with anything more that "mirrors arent real"

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>>80672932

>>80672594
bretty gud
reminds me of the kobold in american gods

>>80672932


dude, it's not even really an argument, you're just being obtuse.

classically speaking, as Tolkien would have been, to create is to bring into being. Sauron forges the rings using concepts, powers, and materials that he did not create.

i get what you are trying to say, but it's an important distinction from a lore perspective.

>>80671372
>>80671306
according to your logic then
aule did not create dwarfs and nor manwe created eagles
also dragons were not corrupted spirits or creatures they were morgoth creations

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>>80673149
>starts arguement about carpenters not making chairs by juggling with ambiguity and definitions
>I am the fedora

Dont talk shit if you cant take the heat faggot

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>>80672922

>>80668773
>one is with earendil on his spaceship
kek'd hard

>>80671853
fucking kekd

>>80671502
Wizard Gandalf, I am Rohan

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>>80666464
ELROND, SAURON'S ESCAPED. RECRUIT A FELLOWSHIP OF MORTALS WITH ATTITUDE

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>>80671823
IT'S SECOND BREAKFAST TIME!

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>>80674156
MASTADON

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>>80674185
PTERODACTYL!

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>>80674219
TRICERATOPS

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>>80671427
>There's two names he replaces
>These are "Cage" and "Jables"
>The names he replaces them with are "Frodo" and "Sam"
>Does not replace "Cage" with "Sam" and "Jables" With "Frodo" to maintain the number of syllables in each line

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>>80674185
PTARADACTYL

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>>80674260
SABAH TOO TIGER!

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>>80674295
TYRANNOSOURAUS

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>>80674379
Best Ranger coming through.

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>>80674379
WHITE.
WIZARD.
GAY MAN POWER

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>>80674430
save me aragorn

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>>80674430
GOOOOOOO GREEN RANGER GO!

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>>80674524
WE NEED NECROZORD POWER NOW!

>>80674670
>samefagging that stupid meme that hard

>>80668773
>one is lost in the earths core or soemething (fell into a magma filled rupture in the earth i think)
That one surfaced in a volcanic eruption a few thousand years later tho. Some dwarf cunt tried to take credit for crafting it - called it the "arken stone" or some shit

>>80670971
Hang on, who was it that noped?

>>80672922
Kek

>>80674976
Melkor.

>>80666464
I always wanna say fuck off back to fairy land nerdfats. But I get lost and enthralled reading the snippets of LotR lore.

>>80672309
Where did that power come from though? Did he sort of leech off all the other ringbearers (Galadriel etc)?

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Reminder that Sauron's seduction of Celebrimbor and Ar-Pharazon was quite literal.

>>80675195
Stay strong my fedora'd brother, go rewatch Guardians of Plebbit and SJW Wars, will get this ghey traditional fantasy bug outta ur system in no time.

>>80675219
if you give other people presents and they sort of feel like having a debt to you, where does your power over them come from?

>>80675387
This is what projecting horny kissless landwhale virgins actually believe.

>>80675219
Sauron could never touch the three ringbearers who had rings made by celebrimbor (galadriel, elrond, cirdan and then Gandalf), because those rings were never touched by his foul hand
He could influence the rings the humans head, to a lesser/more indirect degree the ones the dwarfes had and the lesser ones
Just by influencing the minds and souls of the bearers

>>80671144
I kinda also got this impression from the book. Except instead of a duel fight I imagined a bunch of men hacking at him with axes and shit.

>>80675599
Evidently there was a connection though, since the power of the Three faded when the One was destroyed.

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How to cope with sexual thoughts about pure angelic Sauron? They are the worst!

>>80671144
Sonething like that.

Gil-galad and Elendil fought against Sauron in a 2v1, they managed to bring him down and mortally wound his body (can't kill a Maia), but at the cost of their lives. Gil-galad in particular died because Sauron burned him to death with his hand, I like to think he just grabbed his head with his hand and burned it to a crisp.

Then Isildur took the broken Narsil and removed the Ring and the finger from Sauron's hand, and his spirit got diminished and fled to somewhere in the east or the far north.

>>80675662
yes, all power that lay in all of the rings was somehow boung to the one ring in some (esotheric) way
I always imagined it was because sauron gave the elves the knowledge of how to create the magic rings and with the one ring gone, the knowlegde connecting them to their power was lost too (somehow....)

>tfw Celebrimbor gets his own video game series but Earendil is still stuck in fucking orbit, masturbating

>the Two Lamps got destroyed
>"lol no muh symmetry can't do it again"
>the Two Trees got kill
>"lol no can't do it again within Ea sorry"
>ask Feanor to break the Silmarils to revive the Trees
>"muh great and small muh silmarils once in a lifetime"

How would they know they can't do it again if they never fucking try?

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>>80675676
He was corrupted. There's nothing we can do to bring him back.

>>80672500
Link me senpai

>>80676096
They are in cyrillic runes, my haradrim.

>>80676302
If you share knowledge of cyrillic moonrunes I will teach you elvish mathspeak

>>80668581
She was so miscast in the movies. They should have found a pretty blonde.

>>80676445
With an optic fibers wig?

You cant make everyone perfect

>>80676445
Name one blonde prettier than prime cate hell name one blonde better than mommy cate

I'll wait.

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>>80675983

I'm not gay but Sauron would be on my top list if I was

>>80676445
>Hating on based Kate
>not wanting to meet Kate in a supermarket queue and ask her to pee in a bottle for you
Turbopleb, go fap to WarCraft 'elvish' sluts

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>>80670364
>Balrogs help

>>80666771
>>80666883
>"His might was greatest of all things in this world." - Morgoth long after he was corrupted.

Correct though, he lost most of his real power corrupting the world. Back in the day he singlehandedly took on all the forces of Valinor by himself and won.

>Sauron was become now a sorcerer of dreadful power, master of shadows and of phantoms, foul in wisdom, cruel in strength, misshaping what he touched, twisting what he ruled, lord of werewolves; his dominion was torment.

Sauron was still as powerful as he was before. The only thing was his form diminished and he couldn't appear beautiful-looking anymore. With the Ring though he was still ferocious.

>>80666710
In the book after he curbstomps the two most powerful warriors the West has singlehandedly, he lets his guard down and thinks he's won, when Isildur takes him by surprise and gets a lucky slice on his Ring finger.

>>80675983
Perhaps if we fap to him he will gain more power... I dunno.. Something about egregores and stuff...

>>80676580
>>80676445
>>80676601
I think he pickled her because of her looks. She has a strange uncanny alley look about her.

>>80667107
>>80670364
>>80676603
>balrogs help

Hey fuck you man. He stormed through the homeland of the Valar killing people and draining their Godtrees while Ungoliant just drank and ate. She became gigantic and he was exhausted, and it took the whole host of Balrogs to drive her away (even though it'd implied Morgoth could've done it had he been at full strength).

>>80666804
He was only weak because he corrupted all of creation with his essence

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>>80676585
There's absolutely nothing gay about that desu, like finding ladyboys attractive; you dont even need to be gay since sauron is gender less.

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>>80675895
>mfw no game about melkor and his justifiable war against the shitfuck vala

>>80676725
Not to mention she was roided up on god juice

The field is lost
Everything is lost
The black one has fallen from the sky and the towers in ruins lie
The enemy is within, everywhere
And with him the light, soon they will be here
Go now, my lord, while there is time
There are places below

And you know them too
I release thee, go
My servant you'll be for all time

As you command
My king

I had a part in everything
Twice I destroyed the light and twice I failed
I left ruin behind me when I returned
But I also carried ruin with me
She, the mistress of her own lust

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Who were the other elven lords?

>>80671270
>>80676812
Poor guy

>>80676812
>tfw no science fiction game about a futuristic Dagor Dagorath

>>80676812
>justifiable

Literally what? He acted like a spoilt brat that went around destroying others creation

>valar create mountain
>he'd go an knock them down
>valar create ocean's
>he goes and drains it out

>>80666710
Kek

>>80676929
Cirdan and gil-galad

>>80668905
[The World]?

>>80676999
Cirdan the Shipwright and Gil-Galad the Absolute Madman

>>80676929
That's Cirdan on the left and Gil-galad on the right, isn't it?

>>80677064
Other way around

At least it should be the other way around, dont remember if Cirdan shows up in the movies

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You know I keep hearing about these fantastic tales of gods and super beings in the other books.

But I don't think I will read them, I enjoy hearing you guys tell these tales about them instead. Like hearing a story of a story. I feel like if I read any more it would ruin it for me somehow.

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>>80670711
>>80670754
>>80670971
Ungoliant being a Lovecraftian demonspider from beyond the Void was a very old concept that Tolkien dropped because he thought it was dumb.

The final legendarium has Ungoliant being a creation of Melkor. When he demanded service, she said no and fled before he could kill her. Being too busy with fighting literally every one of Eru's servants, he didn't give chase.

She was going to come back until the Siege of Otumno, where Melkor was beaten but at a massive cost to the Valar, and she figured he was done for and kept hiding. When Melkor returned she offered to help him since he was doing really well at that point. He agreed and they went into Aman together. She cast shadowy webs that hid his position while he went around killing and destroying, killing the great Elf-warrior king Finwe with complete ease, then draining the Valar's Two Trees, basically entities maintaining the earth's symmetry. Ungoliant drank their sap and Melkor cast flames all over Aman and crushed the continent itself, combined with the Two Trees being destroyed and their cataclysmic effects this sunk the continent, wiped out numerous enemies of his, and sent the Valar running.

They returned to the outskirts of Angband and Ungoliant suddenly grew to a massive size and power from consuming the sap of the Trees, while Melkor was exhausted after killing Valar and destroying continents, and she demanded he give over the jewels. (P1)

>>80677109
You lose very little. Silm is 'edited' by Christopher, Tolkien's son. For all we know, he could have gone full Brian Herbeet route from the start and just be inventing more and more fanfic-tier shit for those sweet fanboy money.

>>80671903
I'm a lady that likes Lotr. Read the silmarillian and really into the lore.
My boyfriend likes cars and doesn't read books.... fuck

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>>80677109
Same. I dont have the capability to sit and actively read something but i do like listening to people talk about lotr lore. I know more about lotr without ever having flipped a page

Comfy as fuck

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Part 2. To appease her he did, but refused to give up the Silmarils. She then bound him in web before he could attack or flee and tortured him, and was planning to eat him before he called for his Balrogs. He didn't "scream helplessly" and the Balrogs heard that, it's a common misinterpretation and partly based on an old passage not being translated correctly from thought to paper by Chris Tolkien. He called for help and the Balrogs answered, all of them arriving and whipping Ungoliant away while Melkor laughed at her. She fled for good and was never seen again in Middle-earth, though it was speculated she took up residence on an isolated island where she could hide from Melkor and later Sauron and their mutual wrath. She became so hungry in her new godjuice form that she began eating her offspring and they fled across Middle-earth from her, and ultimately Ungoliant either faded away or devoured herself.

Not only was Melkor exhausted from battling the Valar, but Ungoliant was in fact >>80676854
roided up on godjuice. It also makes sense that he would get desperate at her torturing hands, because Melkor was cursed with full mortality for becoming an enemy of the Valar. It's weird how this works, because apparently some Valar are immortal and some are not, and some Maiar are immortal and some are not. For whatever reason, Melkor, while stronger than the rest of the Valar combined, was mortal by this point, and if he died, it was permanent game over. Understandable he didn't want that to happen, and the only twp things in the world that terrified him were the thought of dying and the thought that he may not be more powerful than Eru after all.

There you go /tv/, enjoy your lesson on Tolkien lore for the day.

>>80677109
You're like the cute baby hobbits at the start of Fellowship when Bilbo is telling them a tale

>>80677211
I have told you plebs numerous times in these threads
Dont read bullshit LOTR wikis written by moviejerks

This is the only approved rigorous wiki and you have to be using it only to freshen up your memorie not for learning

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ungoliant

Morgoth had to struck a deal with Ungoliant in order to help him
She most definitely was not under his command or his creation

>>80677321
Go role-play somewhere else faggot. Females wouldn't "get" the themes of lotr

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>>80677327
It's super cumfy, I do it with Dune threads too. I read the first book and loved it but the second one bored the fuck out of me so I will listen to anons talk about the highlights of the books instead.

>>80677321
Oh, I fell ur pain, sweetie. Go schlick to some more elf-porn, perhaps it will help.

>>80677398
She most likely was his creation even if it wasn't intentional

>>80677398
>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ungoliant
Kek, this site is younger than my being in the fandom. So this is the latest authority for tumblr-escapee thirdies? Okay.

>>80676654
>Sauron was still as powerful as he was before.
>In the book after he curbstomps the two most powerful warriors the West has singlehandedly, he lets his guard down and thinks he's won, when Isildur takes him by surprise and gets a lucky slice on his Ring finger.

Why do people post their bullshit and not expect it to be called out?

>Gilgalad and Elendil are slain in the act of slaying Sauron. Isildur, Elendil's son, cuts the ring from Sauron's hand, and his power departs, and his spirit flees into the shadows.
Letter 131.

>By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned
Letter 183

>>80677398
>She most definitely was not under his command or his creation
Did you even read your own link?

>In the Later Silmarillion, as documented in Morgoth's Ring and War of the Jewels, Ungoliant is explicitly identified as one of Melkor's servants who abandoned him prior to settling in Avathar. She is also depicted as starving to the brink of death during her time in Avathar, cut off from the light of the Valar by her own webs of darkness. She is also shown to fear her master, and hides desperately from Melkor when she first sees him approaching her lair. She initially refuses to emerge (believing Melkor plans to murder her for deserting him) until he offers her an assortment of gems he had stolen from the Noldor. She then regains the strength needed to destroy the Two Trees, which she does alone while Melkor waits near Avathar.

>>80677398
>>80677574
No, the only authority for lore you should trust are the books themselves, and even then Chris has said that his interpretation of his father's ideas may not be entirely accurate, and that you have to take it with a grain of salt.

According to the actual lore, right from the book itself, word for word, Ungoliant was a spirit corrupted by Melkor that rejected his service and fled from him, taking on the form of a spider. While weaker than Melkor or Sauron, the Valar noted her strange power of "Unlight", which was that she could consume light and leave darkness behind, which made her difficult to track and find.

>>80677574

>using it only to freshen up your memorie not for learning

>authority

This wiki is just dedicated to book lore instead of others that mix book movies and games in one big mess

>>80677630
>slain in the act

They wounded him and he did in fact stop fighting, but he didn't expect Isildur to attack him.

>weaker than before

Because he didn't have the Ring. He never had the Ring in the Third Age, so of course he was much weaker.

>>80677669
>>80677679

>>80677679
Also even after many editions LoTR, a fairly simple book compared to simarillion, wasn't considered to be that word accurate by Tolkien. God knows what he'd make of a Simarillion in print.

>>80677751
>>80677795
Yeah, Tolkiengateway is all about book lore. LOTR Wiki is a shitshow where lore is taken from multiple sources and crammed into one, though they favor the movie lore as they're mainly a wiki for PJ's trilogy.

Tolkiengateway is more accurate overall, but there are still some really shitty or inaccurate sections with no sourcing or sources from much older works of Tolkien that were long since surpassed in terms of "canonicity", though outside of The Hobbit and LOTR Tolkien's books have a self-admitted looseness in what is genuinely canonical or not, because so much of it isn't from Tolkien himself.

>>80677630
Elrond and cirdan were also most likely participating in the fight

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>>80677327
Interesting approach. To be honest the silmarillion isn't the easiest book to read, it's like a history text book in some respects.

>>80677760
>They wounded him and he did in fact stop fighting, but he didn't expect Isildur to attack him.

So we've gone from " he lets his guard down and thinks he's won" to ""They wounded him and he did in fact stop fighting."

You have 90 seconds to back up both statements up with anything from Tolkien or be revealed as a worthless shitposting troll.

>>80677833
Great as he was as an author, he had a problem of indecisiveness, sometimes bordering on OCD. He would constantly go back and change ideas or rework them or shake things up and even by the end he still wasn't fully satisfied with what he wrote. The Silmarillion would be a fucking nightmare for him.

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>Legolas have I ever told you about my father Oropher? In the Battle of Dagorland during the War of the Last Alliance refused to place his army under the command of the High King of Noldor, Gil-Galad, over some ancient feud. Instead, disobeying the battle plan, he abandoned his elevated position and he charged with his light infantry straight into the enemy lines on the valley bellow to satiate his inferiority complex. Our people perished like flies on what today is know as the Dead Marshes, in fact this is how your mother died and she probably is still floating facedown on some dirty puddle over there. What few of us remained were only saved because of the valiant intervention of the Dwarven and Noldor armies that rushed to our aid and winning the battle. Then I made up some bullshit story about fire dragons of the north and Gundabad to cover up our shame. Never trust the dwarves son, they are scum

>>80677910
>Then Gil-galad and Elendil passed into Mordor and encompassed the stronghold of Sauron; and they laid siege to it for seven years, and suffered grievous loss by fire and by the darts and bolts of the Enemy, and Sauron sent many sorties against them.

>But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own.

The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age

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>>80677973
Wtf is this true? my fucking sides

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>>80677973
>Celebrimbor, have you ever heard the Tragedy of Morgoth Bauglir the Wise?

>>80666464

I laughed out loud.

>>80677989
You fucking idiot. Not only have you now completely departed from what you claimed "he cubstomped them and thought he won" to now he was thrown down, but you reveal you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know that thrown down=killed. Last fucking post you get troll.

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Ungoliant was the true hero of lotr

>>80678068
I made the mother part up just to quote the movie, but its totally plausible
Otherwise yes

>>80678068
>The Silvan Elves were hardy and valiant, but ill-equipped with armour or weapons in comparison with the Eldar of the West; also they were independent, and not disposed to place themselves under the supreme command of Gil-galad. Their losses were thus more grievous than they need have been, even in that terrible war. Malgalad and more than half his following perished in the great battle of the Dagorlad, being cut off from the main host and driven into the Dead Marshes. Oropher was slain in the first assault upon Mordor, rushing forward at the head of his most doughty warriors before Gil-galad had given the signal for the advance. Thranduil his son survived, but when the war ended and Sauron was slain (as it seemed) he led back home barely a third of the army that had marched to war.

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>>80678188

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zBCLEaXpiA

>>80678124
chill out

>>80678256
1/3 returned... jesus what a shit leader

>>80666771
If I remember the book it never explicitly says that cutting the ring off killed him. It says he was defeated and had his ring cut off. I always imagined a big fight to the death

>>80677908
>>80677327
>>80677109
God damn, man up, you fags. I read it when I was fuckin 14, in 2 or 3 weeks. I imagine if you read it in smaller increments it's even easier, because you let the info sink in. But perhaps if I knew back then that
>Chris has said that his interpretation of his father's ideas may not be entirely accurate
as >>80677679 says, I wouldn't have wasted my time and went on to actual finished fantasy books writeen by their authors.

>>80668773

You forgot wind and heart.
>Go Planet

>>80677574
tolkiengateway actually is well written and has more references than the wikia version. if you compare these two

>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Gondor
>http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gondor

one has detailed references down to the chapter, references from tolkiens letters and appendices, references from third party works. the other just has the title of the document

>>80678660
Lol

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_fandom

Why didn't he just put the ring on his dick and then lock his dick in an armoured cage that would have been impregnable by enemies?

>>80679167
Because Gandalf would get in there being a gayfaggot.

>>80679167
Morgoth took Sauron's dick cage into the Void with him. As a memento.

>>80679167
He was too big of a guy.

>>80666464
The "AHHH" at the beginnign made me read it in Orson Welles voice

>>80671094
Strength and magic in lotr isn't dragon ball z

>>80666771
its accurate. Morgoth invested all of his power in orcs, dragons and balrogs. Sauron went to Elven Smithing's gym and got massive personal gains. So its really an old ugly dude vs a poor Chad. They're about equal

>>80671283
Where the fuck does he live
What does he eat

>>80671176
This is bullshit, Ancalagon's size was never stated.

>>80679563
First this >>80679585
Second of all dragons dont need to eat

>>80679585
No but thangorodrims size was

>>80679563
He doesn't eat and he lives underground

>>80672022
>elf
>ever using piercings

ha
ha
ha

>>80670584
Sauron was lawfully autistic. Seriously he only wanted dominion because he sperged out about how mismanaged the place was.

why did eru bring back gandalf from the dead

doesnt he have a strict no direct interference policy

>>80680158
Its not like it hasnt happened before

What would happen if you wore all the rings at once?

>>80680706
You could kill Bombadil without even trying

>>80680706
wouldnt the one ring have all the powers of the others pretty much since its the master ring

not that you want the human rings since they suck your soul out

>>80680158
The Istari have to complete their mission. Death is unacceptable.

Are dwarves actually more resilient than men or were the Seven just kind of shitty and ineffectual work by Celebrimbor?

>>80677109
Technically, the Silmarillion is actually a translation of a part of a copy of a copy made in Gondor of a copy of Bilbo's translations of the elvish lore he found at Rivendel.

>>80680158
to give the Free People an edge. Still even as the White Gandalf says that if Sauron killed him he wouldn't be able to come back. maybe it has to do with a balrog being lesser to Sauron or something, I still don't know and I've read the books multiple times

>>80681258
Sort of both. Dwarves weren't more resilient, moreso they were more stubborn and hard-headed, and they were too concerned with mining and gem-greed to bother with Sauron if he couldn't promise them wealth. Sauron did promise some dwarves wealth, and some dwarves fought for him.

Celebrimbor's rings were also intentionally gimped by Sauron and weren't perfect to begin with. Their only purpose was to serve as mild-altering corruptors for Sauron's One Ring, and Celebrimbor's craftsmanship was shitty, so shitty that when Sauron revealed his darklordness he tortured Celebrimbor then cut off his head and mounted it on a banner in front of his legions while they fucked up the elves. The Shadow of Autism game is inaccurate about a lot of things, but it's accurate on the fact that Sauron really really really hated Celebrimbor and blamed him for the fact that his ring control plan didn't work.

>>80680706
You would need more fingers

>>80681499
You can wear more than 1 ring on a finger, anon. My gf has a promise ring from her ex she keeps on next to the one I got her.

>>80681482
also worth noting that there were actually only three people that Sauron ever truly despised: Luthien, Celebrimbor, and Isildur. Two of them were killed, one in a horrible way, and Luthien only lived because a warhound of Valinor saved her, but even then the power of Sauron's hatred for her literally knocked her unconscious. This was a chick who could stand in front of Morgoth and seduce him, but as soon as she got near Sauron she felt dead because of how much malice he had for her.

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>>80681577
>bitch seduces your bro and takes advantage of him
>get so fucking mad that you knock her out telepathically with your pure hatred

Based Sauron

>>80681570
>My gf has a promise ring from her ex she keeps on next to the one I got her.
i hope for you this is bait

I am always amazed by these threads.
What should I read to know all this?!

>>80681570
DELETE THIS.
Don't derail the thread.

>>80681710
for the lore: the silmarillion and the unfinished tales
for the best shakespearean story: children of hurin
lotr for epic fun

>>80681710
>>80681807
And if you want some cozy fantasy and chill, The Hobbit.

>>80681577
Cool fanfic, bro.

>>80681570
What's a promise ring??