>"Nobody panics when things go "according to plan."

>>80379324
I've actually never understood this part. If he says the Mayor will die, then blows up a hospital, ok. But if he says the Mayor will die and the Mayor dies, everything should be good.

>>80379324
He was just talking bullshit to get Harvey on his side

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>>80379324
because "the plan" is to make people panic

>>80379324
Not sure if you're baiting, but when he's talking about it all being "part of the plan" he doesn't mean his personal plan but the general public expectations of what is "normal" to happen in the world.

THIS MOVIE IS NINE (9) YEARS OLD
FUCK

>>80379324
Because the gangbangers and the soldiers die all the time. It's muh social commentary.

>>80379324
I'm not sure if you're baiting but this is /tv/ so you're either baiting or a retard or a retard baiting.

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>>80379324
Low quality bait but people still fall for it.

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for all the actual retards here

the "plan" isn't HIS plan it's "their" plan, they being the people in power.

gangbangers get killed every day due to gang violence so it's not out of hte ordinary -> part of the "plan"

truckloads of soldiers get blown up every day during war -> part of the "plan"

mayors do not get assassinated everyday -> not part of the "plan"

>>80379872
really boils my bouillon cube

>>80379595
so is your wife's son

>>80379324
I'm beginning to think Nolan might be a little autistic.
There are too many BRAVO NOLAN moments.

>>80379324
Was getting caught part of the plan?

I JUST REALISED HE MAKES MORE SENSE

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During the interrogation scene, Joker tells Batman where Rachel is held hostage but when Batman gets there, he's somehow arrived at Harvey Dent's location.

>>80379581
This

>>80381530
He purposely switched the adresses because he knew Batman would go after Rachel. Batman wouldn't realize what had happened until it's too late. And since the Cops were far slower than Batman, they didn't rescue Rachel in time.

>>80381530

If you listen to the creative screenwriter's magazine podcast, the episode with The Dark Knight's director, I think I remember that he mentions that the Joker tricks Batman/Bruce Wayne. Look for the podcast episode about The Dark Knight and give it a listen: http://podlounge.net/podcast/creative-screenwriting-magazine I think this is an archive of the podcasts. I don't know it it works.

I just checked it out, and the podcast episode works and you can stream it and listen to it: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/4/1/d/41db381d0a27837c/TheDarkKnightQandA.mp3?c_id=1647767&expiration=1489444029&hwt=f3332c3509489a371dd1794272b4a945

>>80381530
>>80379808
mis·di·rec·tion

>>80383765
Even if he didn't expect Batman to go after Rachel rather than Dent (unlikely, because he observed Batsy's behaviour at the earlier gala scene), the city would still lost its civil servant in Dent. It was a win/win situation for him in any case. Harm Batman or harm Gotham - both are good things for his agenda.

>>80379324
For some reason I was fine with the hamfisted politics in TDK, but in TDKR I really can't stand it. I guess it's down to execution.

>>80381530

Because he tricked Batman

>>80381530

There are people on THIS VERY BOARD, RIGHT NOW, who honestly believe this was a mistake and are too fucking retarded to figure out that it was OBVIOUSLY the joker tricking Batman.

Remember this the next time you find yourself in an argument on /tv/. The person you are debating may in fact have a sub-100 IQ.

>>80383887

This. It was basically Joker's way of saying "I've got your number, I know you'll take the selfish route and choose love instead of putting priority on Gotham's wellbeing, so I'm going to take that and flip it on its head". He knew he would end up hurting either Batman or Dent either way, so he didn't care. The icing on the cake is that Batman's selfishness in choosing Rachel underscores the Joker's point earlier about morals being "a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble". Its both strategically and psychologically devastating, pretty brilliant.

>>80379324

Because soldiers and gangbangers volunteer to be put in situations in which they might die.

What the fuck is supposed to be deep about this?

>>80384423

The Joker is manipulating Harvey with fallacies

>>80379497
Shut the fuck up.

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>HONKA HONKA!

I think both interpretations are equally valid.

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>>80381530

During the party scene, Batman and Rachel fall 80 stories off the penthouse roof and land on a taxi cab without as much as a scratch.

And Batman, who is already at the ground floor, just leaves the Joker and his men with the party guests. Not only that, but Batman seemingly lets them get away, down the penthouse elevator/steps.

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>tfw everything goes according to plan

NYAHH AH.. AH.. AH.. .AH... ahhhh!

>>80383765
It was a Batman gambit. Wagered against Batman.

Suicide Squad was equally good though.

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>>80379324
He's saying that in the game we are collectively playing, a mayor getting assassinated is unusual and would cause the city to fall into chaos. Those other events are expected outcomes, so you just need to sort that out yourself bucko.

>>80384631
How much time do you think he spent meticulously placing every one of those knives and guns in a big spiral so he could fall down in the middle of it and look literally craze-balls?

>>80384631
Is that a real shot from the movie? jesus christ

>>80381530
Obviously the Joker fucked with him, but why was Gordon so sympathetic with Batman saving Rachel over Dent, since Dent was clearly more important to the city than Rachel?

This clearly should have been the point where Gordon put two and two together and realized that Batman was Bruce Wayne. Either that, or Gotham is just filled with white knights (hurr hurr), where the life of the DA, who literally keeps the streets practically clean of crime, is less important than his girlfriend.

>>80385396

The script is shit and the characters are stupid.

When Dent has Gordon's son and family hostage, Gordon never once tried to explain that Joker purposely switched the addresses. Gordon is all like "I tried to save Rachel, derp". No he didn't. He clearly thought he was going after Dent. It wasn't Gordon's fault, nor Batman's.

I'll never understand how people can think Dent is a well written character. His turn and motivation are fucking terrible. Almost Episode III Anakin tier.

>>80384609
>>80385396
>>80385801

Why do you guys have to ruin movies for?

>>80379581
/thread

>>80384469
>>80384609
Well hello beautiful.

>>80385801

His girlfriend was murdered and half his face is burnt off dude, he's not exactly on solid psychological ground. Two-face was always crazy, that's part of his character. His motivations aren't always rational to us, only to him

>>80384609
That always did bug me. Feels like there should be a little more to that scene.

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>>80381530
B A I T
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>>80384609

DELET THIS

>>80381530
Really?
I didn't catch that.