Recent BvS threads have managed to convince me to do something

>>80376783
>I hope you fags haven't meme'd me into watching horrid bullshit

El-Oh-El

>>80376783
the movie is shit but you will come back, pretending to be a neutral from the beginning, and say it's kino

i see through your bullshit DCuck

>>80376783
Prepare to watch one of the best comic book films of all time. right behind Man of Steel.

>>80376783
I wish I could watch it for the first time again.

>>80376783

Its the second best capekino of all time

makes marvel look (even more) small and childish in comparison

>>80376783
it's just an average/okay-ish actioner

and a must watch, just because both batman and superman are such iconic characters for many people.

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It's fucking garbage. It is not "ok" or "meh" tier, it's fucking bad. It's loaded with plotholes and has the worst rendition of Lex Luthor ever conceived. People get mad at Chris Pratt from GotG for being a memeter, at he succeeded it being a memester. This fag sounds like he wanted his every quote to be on a Hot Topic t-shirt, it's fucking awful. Watch Suicide Squad, it's actually a good movie because it copied Marvel which is why it has an oscar and was actually watched by people. That's also why the DCucks on /tv/ hate it so much, it proves if you ignore the Snyderfags you'll have a good franchise.

>>80376783
Don't watch this trash...

>the state of anons here saying its trash yet pay to watch the same movie 3 times a year with a different marvel hero badge
the film has redeeming qualities and IMO made Superman an actual decent character. Some here will also moan about muh comics but genuine criticism it isnt

>>80377773
sup marvelcuck where dat oscar?

>>80377893
remind me

what Oscar did the DCEU win?

>>80376899
Oh God, me too, and have that same dawning sense of understanding.

>>80376783
How many threads do you need to keep spamming?

>>80377773
>Watch Suicide Squad, it's actually a good movie
This... this is bait, right?

first time watching this was in theaters on a Wednesday night around 10pm, it was out for about 4 weeks and the entire theater was empty except for me, it was the greatest movie experience of my life.

it makes me sad that DCucks need to meme themselves to death to shield the fact that their movies are shit :/ I truly wish they get just one win.. just once

just so they know what it feels like

I hope Wonder Woman is their first success :) good luck!

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at this point, if you're an active peruser of BvS threads, and you still think it's a bad movie, you're stupid. that's all there is to it. or you're shockingly stubborn to the point that you're for all practical purposes stupid. it's been laid out in so many ways and in so many places why this film is a masterpiece in its genre that if you're still going around saying BvS is shit, you're just an obtuse moron and not worth talking to.

Where can I subscribe, faggot?

>>80378060
>it's been laid out in so many ways and in so many placces why this film is a masterpiece

by who, the DCucks on here? the memesters who try their best to try to convince others and themselves that BvS isn't hot trash

cute <3

>>80377933
MAKEUP IS A REAL AWARD I TELL YOU

>>80378132
Go to bed Paki. You've done enough shitposting for the day. The quota has been filled.

>>80378133
>costumes and makeup do nothing for film

40 keks anon

I'm glad the works of DC still trigger so many.

>>80376783
>and a single dead leave falling across.
Let's talk about this

It's a great movie undermined by legions of paid Marvel Pakis shitposting on /tv/ 24/7. That's it.

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>>80378165
>award winning make up and costume

>>80377933
remind me

what Oscar did the MCU win?

A movie that makes so many pakistani Marvel shills cry after one year can NOT be bad

are we still pretending BvS is a bad movie?

MARVEL WON JACK FUCKING SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>80378273
>"costumes do nothing for immersion or tone in movies"

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>>80378307
when will the meme end?

>>80377893
>Marvelcuck
Man of Steel is kino, Suicide Squad is Marvel-level but BvS is garbage and Snyder did everything wrong.

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>>80378348
they certainly immerse me, these costumes showed perfectly why i made right decision pirating it

>>80378132
>anon mentions its been explained many times through many threads why the film is good
>but theyre wrong
your entire argument

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>>80378370
>>80378307
The only memers here are you. Marvel is objectively superior.

When the capeshit era ends what will replace it?

>>80378524

it fit the film. not sure why you're so bent out of shape about this

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>>80378560
>movie is revered by the entire world
>but some anon with a headcanon on a tawainese nitting board is right

>>80378617
>entire world
youre delusional

>>80378617
>Paki still pushing the narrative that it's one guy vs the world
You should probably kill yourself on your poo.

>>80378164
keep convincing yourself that BvS isn't trash

one day you'll be enlightened and realize that the flick is a flick of all flicks

>>80378603
and the film was shit
your point?

>>80378599
I'm sure you losers will make Up a new buzzword for things you don't like.

I know OP is trolling, but why he didn't watch Logan instead is baffling.

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>>80378561

>>80378656
DUDE STOP LIKING THINGS I DONT LIKE LMAO

>>80378682
One is in the theaters the other is available in HD on the internet. You don't have to be baffled.

Why are marvelcucks still this triggered about this movie? I mean it's better than the entire MCU but a lot of movies are, Logan for instance. Why are they so scared?

>>80378664
Alright I'll try again then, faggot. When the Superhero-era ends what will replace it? Try a nonmeme answer this time.

>*giggles* you watched a superhero movie? Lol you are dumber than me xd

I've been getting fed up with these fucking invalids both on /tv/ and other boards, and I've come to the conclusion that some of us are growing up, while others either aren't, or there's a large influx of younger people beginning to use these boards, and using them as means of shouting illogical assumptions and accusations at others in an attempt to belittle others and make themselves feel better about their own insecurities. Either way, there's an alarming amount of young people around here, and shit's getting real old real fast, because fuck their illogical shit is tiring.

>>80378060
Well said, friend.

>>80378713
I hear if they spam it enough theres a prize give away of a complete sewage system, so theyre fighting for it

>>80378713
>DCucks keep trying their best to push the agenda that a shit movie like BvS isn't shit
>Marvelbros keep dishing out wins
>Marvelbros are triggered

HEH
E
H

>>80378831
This post gave me the Poo.

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>>80378646
>>80378653
oh yeah i forgot, theres are the people you want to be associated, Every reviewer, Fan and general movie goer is wrong but these guys seem intellectual enough to get it :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc4oYGutZQs

>>80376783
i thought batman's intro was silly. he looked fucking stupid trying to hide clung to the wall.

>>80378831
Relax buddy, I feel the MCU is getting closer to win an Oscar, maybe 14 movies more and that's it

>>80378599
Not until early 2018, when Cameron releases a trailer for Avatar 2. I guarantee that the shitstorm will be so huge, /tv/ will completely forget capeshit.

>>80378873
>fan and general movie goer
doesn't the film have a high audience rating, dopey?

>>80378873
>being so buttblasted you actually scour social media to use for shitposting
I know Pakis are very bitter people but this is a new low even for Marvel's paid goons.

>>80378700
you are free to have shit taste, its a free country, but like spasses and autistic people, try and keep it to yourself. people are trying to discuss actual movies here

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Smelly disneylets still can't let go of this kino destroying marvel forever.

Beautiful.

>>80378873
If it's so hated why did it make more money than Civil War in blurays a few months after its release?

>>80378904
>high audience rating
even after drones spamming 10/10 before the movie released it could only muster a meager 63%
great audience score my friend

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>>80378948
N-NOOO STOP SAY THAT EVERYONE HATES BVS AS ACCORDING TO THIS SCRIPT MARVEL SUITS GAVE ME

>>80378957
so youre wrong as usual. lol smelly disneylets at it again. cheeky

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>>80378957
Thanks for confirming that Marvel Pakis were spamming the score with 1/10s for months on end.

Probably the same Pakis that actually gave the C-rate movie Civil War a 10/10 unironically.

>>80376783
Ultimate cut is Kino. Theatrical cut is fuckin garbage.

>>80378974
>that pic
Holy fucking chirst

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>>80378974

>>80378907
DUDE I VISIT THREADS FOR THINGS I DONT LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS LMAO

>>80379094
The Paki obsession with BvS would be pathological if they weren't paid for their shitposting.

>>80379092
replace the trash with evanspictures

>>80378907
>another thread for this movie I didn't like, better spam it and make it reach bump limit instead of ignore it haha
Transparent shilling is transparent

>>80378873
I've always wondered if this guy is just pretending kinda like Parkourdude91

>>80379129
would that i could

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>>80379094
AND THEN I CLOSE THE TAB AND PACE THE ROOM IN ANGER WHEN I GET ABSOLUTELY BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>80376933
>Birdman
>Logan
>Superman II
>Nolan Batman trilogy
you've been too meme'd by this place

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>>80378370
>when someone reposts a meme you made almost a year ago

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>>80379336
it's a good meme

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>mfw he actually fell for it

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>>80378370
>that Marvel Poo post
They're actually doing this shit unironically. How long have they been at it?

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>>80379453
>he fell for the BvS is bad meme

>>80379402

That man has such impeccable genetics, what the fuck.

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Marlels mad

Dchads winning

Just another day on /tv/

>>80379516
Its definitely better than at least half of the marvel movies

>>80379285

>Birdman
Solid movie, but far more in the realm of magic realism than the superhero sub genre of fantasy.

>Logan
Hands down the best X-Men movie, but it borrows heavily from the from a masterpiece(Children of Men), and not to the betterment of either film. Xavier's death was a travesty.

>Superman II
Solid fun, but take off the nostalgia goggles and give it a long, hard look. It's exactly half of a great movie, and we're it released today, it would be lambasted for many of the same reasons BvS was.

>Nolan Batman trilogy
Again, solid movies, but they fall short of real greatness due to editing, Nolan's tin ear for dialogue, and no one having the sack to tell Bale to dial the Bat-voice down a notch or three.

>>80379573
look at the top of his head though

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>>80379688
Widow's peak? Suits some, especially those with 10/10 face structure.

>>80379017
The ultimate cut is worse because it takes the already paper thin and never fully discussed character motivation of Lex Luther and completely shits on it making him a meme who hates superman because he's supposed to

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>>80379786
>marlel too dumb to understand Lex's motives when he literally spells it out for you

>>80379816
What are his motives? What I gleemed is he hates him because he's "god" there by making man irrelevant, fine I can deal with that even though he never has a real reason to hate him other than ego.

So why the fuck would he bring other "gods" to earth?

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>>80379619

>>80379816
Well no, he spells out his rationale, not his motivations. At no point during the movie is it ever explained why Lex is willing to risk everything to make his thought experiment a reality.

>>80379869
Lex hates the idea of a messianic figure because his traumatic childhood made him lose hope of any kind of savior helping mankind. Seeing Superman saving people and seeing him worshipped as an all-powerful force of good destroys Lex as it undermines the trauma of his childhood where no such savior presented itself.

"Nobody saved me from my father's fists and abominations,"

You are the reason why capeshits are getting dumber and dumber. And BvS, despite being fairly light is clearly too much for you.

>>80379893
>im getting rumbled, better spam my chris evans collection
lmao

>>80379893
Case in point.

>>80379943
I think it was clear in the movie that is just an excuse, a lie that Lex himself probably buys. Much like in the comics, once you gets past Lex's bullshit, all that is left is a petty grudge because Superman makes him feel that he isn't the top dog anymore. Basically, a massive case of penis envy.

>>80379962
>im getting rumbled, better distract from the fact that the universe im shilling has been an unmitigated critical disaster

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfubcZaU1is

Are you watching the Ultimate Edition, anon? That's the only way to go.

The first half is okay, the third quarter is kinda bad, and the fourth quarter is horrible.

>>80379893
someone make a version with oscar winners

>>80380098
The Affleck bros can act. That's for sure.

>>80379943
So you're celebrating turning the indomitable force of Lex Luther who was supposed to be a parallel to mans arrogance genuinely being able to challenge a god because Supermand presences makes his less impressive and turning all of that into "why didn't you save me from daddy?"

You depress me dude I tolerate capeshit because I read comics and it's nice to see these characters represented in live action, do you actually use this shit for intellectual stimulation?

>>80380098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBNSfZCK7AU
someone added kino music to the scene. Works really well imo.

>>80380167
I don't celebrate anything you faggot. I am quite clearly explaining to why you Lex hates Superman and you reject that based on your own idea what Lex is that isn't even related to BvS.

If you want your comic book Lex from the 40's. Then stick to that. I don't give a shit. But don't come and say BvS Lex makes no sense in the context of BvS when it does. Faggot.

>>80380109
He is. He said it was 3 hours long.

>>80380209
Than why does he call apocalypse? Why would he bring more gods to earth

>>80380220
Good. I hope OP shares his thoughts on this kinopiece after he's had his kinosession

>>80376861
This. Or he might just return and say " it wasnt bad, not without it flaws but not horrible."

>>80380236
I explained to you already. Lex rejects all-powerful good. He rejects Superman. He doesn't reject the all-powerful (gods) or good (human) but he rejects the the two that Superman represents in one.

>>80377893
Oh, so now the Oscars matter. Fucking ha.

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>>80380190
>>80380098
>They were hunters.
That's damn chilling.

>>80377980
Sadly i doubt it.

>>80376783
>See you in 3 (hopefuly not wasted) hours.
>hopefuly not wasted
I like capeshit and I still felt robbed

>>80380295
ZERO

>>80380281
What the duck are you saying where the fuck in the movie does he say this shit? I get sublty in movies but not giving your villain a clear motive is not subtle it's bad writing

>>80378599
>When the capeshit era ends what will replace it?

Nothing. Movies will be dead.

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>>80380408
He literally says it right before the climax.

>Tonight, the world will see that Superman is either all-powerful or all-good, but not both.

He sets up the impossible scheme that will prove him right - that all-powerful all-good does not exist. Superman is either all-powerful (by killing Bruce) or all-good (by allowing himself to be killed by Bruce) but not both. For Lex, such a thing cannot exist. For if it did, his childhood would not be the way it was. This is the scheme of Lex Luthor. And this is why you need to pay more attention.

>>80380408
>I get sublty in movies
you clearly dont, you moron

>>80378060
Lol, yea ok. Those same people kept saying the hole in the wall during the BvS "fight" scene was a whale and then made all this garbage up about how that was a symbol of BvS being inspired by moby dick. It then turned out the hole wasnt a whale but it was in the shape of Ontario, joe shuster's birthplace.

So gtfo here with your bullshit. You liked BvS hooray for you, youre braindead. Must be nice to be so easily entertained.

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>>80379943
Close.

Lex is motivated by the same thing he always is - jealousy. He sees Superman receiving something he covets - reverence and worship, things his self-serving philanthropy can't buy for him.

Lex wants to save the world, too, even if it's from a threat he manufactures himself, even if it's by proxy. And hey, what's a little merchandising on the side going to hurt? Not much to ask when you're savior of all humanity.

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>>80380589
>that pic

>>80378599
Who knows..some say itll be Anime adaptations. Others say video game movies. Maybe itll be monster movies? Godzilla vs king kong?

>>80380312
Fucking great, isn't it?

The Batfleck is untouchable.

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“It’s almost archetypal. In Batman’s origin [the murder of his parents], the primary thing I was thinking about is the fact he falls. It’s the primary metaphor for Western literature: There was a moment before and then everything fell. That brings up questions of Superman.

“I began to think Batman and Superman occupy different parts of the mythic imagination. In superhero stories, Batman is Pluto, god of the underworld, and Superman is Apollo, god of the sky. That began to be really interesting to me—that their conflict is not just due to manipulation, but their very existence. In the end, there’s a common humanity which I think is discovered at a certain moment in the film.”

I have written “Justice League Part One,” but I won’t necessarily write “Part Two.” This has been the most rigorous intellectual exercise I’ve had in my writing life. For “Batman v Superman,” I wanted to really dig into everything from ideas about American power to the structure of revenge tragedies to the huge canon of DC Comics to Amazon mythology. For “Justice League,” I could be reading in the same day about red- and blueshifts in physics, Diodorus of Sicily and his account of the war between Amazons and Atlanteans, or deep-sea biology and what kind of life plausibly might be in the Mariana Trench.

If you told me the most rigorous dramaturgical and intellectual product of my life would be superhero movies, I would say you were crazy. But I do think fans deserve that. I felt I owed the fan base all of my body and soul for two years because anything less wouldn’t have been appreciating the opportunity I had.

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Hmmm really makes you think...

>>80378273

Putting the script and performance aside, Leto looked like he stepped straight off a comic book page. The award was well deserved.

>>80378599
Kaijukino will return

OP done yet?

>>80380555
You don't even need the hole in the wall for it. In fact, that came later. Lex calls the the Kryptonite a whale(among the fishes), Bruce is chasing it. It's a fitting allusion to a story about another man letting his obsession with vengeance blind him to all reason.

>>80380888
That's fucking awesome. This man deserves more credit.

>>80380151

Casey as Lincoln March when?

>>80380948
Fucking saved.

>>80381160
Snyder, Terrio and Goyer went through a hellish creative process to get BvS right. So much work went into making this movie it's insane. I hope Terrio writes the second JL aswell.

>>80380888
> This has been the most rigorous intellectual exercise I’ve had in my writing life
>writing for capeshit
actually not even mad desu

>>80381247
He also wrote The Batman with Affleck. I hope he talks about that process after the movie comes out.

>>80381358
What? I thought he rewrote the Affleck/Johns script by himself afterwards.

>>80381035
I'll roll with it but honestly after the whole hole thing who the hell knows really. That line does seem like a better example of the moby dick link but so what? So all a movie needs to do is reference older works of art and that gives the movie the prestige of "high art",get outta here.
And rly, isnt referencing moby dick for a revenge story a bit..obvious?

>>80381358
You notice all the cool little nuances they out in to hint at Bruce's psychology? I'm willing to bet we find out Bruce got that scar on his shoulder the first time he killed.

>Branding "irredeemables" in the same place he's scarred.

>Man-Bat bites him on that same shoulder in his dream.

>Gets stabbed there at the end of the warehouse fight, stabs the guy right back in the same spot, then pauses briefly and sort of fixates in it before punching the guy one last time.

There's definitely something going on there.

>>80381484
BvS is far more than that. Those little touches make it even better though. Goes to show this film was made by actual human beings and not focus-tested scripts streamlined and dumbed down so even a five year old might comprehend all its nuances.

>>80381484
When the story's about a guy lying to himself about his own motivations it is.

Sure, he talks a good game about his legacy and about the potential threat Superman represents, but at the end of the day, it's a vendetta he's really pursuing, motivated by the events at the close of MoS.

>>80380888
Batman is not a god. In no way should he be seen as a god. Batgod is exactly what ruined Batman and it makes even more sense how this guy and the rest got BvS wrong.
Even the batman as urban myth could and should only ever be seen as a demon or some form of monster, not a god.

>>80381684
You do realize that the Zod he's being associated with is a god of the underworld, right? He reminds the others of their own mortality. Death gods tend to do that.

>>80376899
Me too. Seeing the Wayne's murdered made me realize the cinematography was amazing. Then the score came in. Then Bruce goes into Metropolis during the Zod fight and I felt like it really was a cinematic universe. And then Lois has her scene with the Terrorist, and they both have such good lines. "I'm not a lady, I'm a reporter", and "Ignorance is not the same as innocence."

And right then I realized the movie was actually going to be , and it was throughout.

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>>80381747
>You do realize that the Zod he's being associated with

>>80381812
It's autocorrect. Kryptonian language libraries are damned hard to purge off their hardware.

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OP here.

Welp, got meme'd alright, should have seen it coming. Almost three hours burned watching a incoherent grim mess of burly cartoon men snarling and scowling and grunting at stuff, then at each other, then at a terrible CGI monster. Oh, and by then a skeleton with vague femenine shape joins them because hey why not, she hasn't done anything of importance in the movie. Fucking hated it, have not changed my dislike towards capeshit and actually made it harsher. To the few that aren't actually memelords and honestly hail this movie as the best of the genere: For fuck's sake, if this is the best I can't even fathom what could be the worst.

There actually was ONE thing I sorta liked in the movie, and is something that a lot of people seem to dislike: Lex Luthor. The jew playing him was obnoxious as shit, but the character himself was fairly well written, his plan had a HUGE scope and actully made sense in it's apparent madness (as opposed to the Joker in TDK, who kept winning due sheer THE SCRIPT SAYS SO factor), and I did understand what made him tick.

>hurr marvelshill

No, fuck Marvel, but also fuck DC, fuck capeshit in general, and fuck you guys for being so convincing. Going outside to walk for a while, I am done even thinking about this bullshit, goddamn.

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>>80381965
>OP here.
>new IP

>>80381965
another pleb who failed to appreciate Snyder's vision.

>>80381965
Nice try Pajeet. Literally recycled post from yesterday.

OP here. It was fantastic. I loved everything about it. Only numales and paki twitterbots could dislike this movie. Nothing Marvel has done is in the same realm of execution, style and substance. Zimmer's score is incredible yet again.

>>80382078
>>80382015

>>80381965
Glad you liked Lex. He's really grown on me too. Thanks for your honesty, though I'd like to hear how well you think the going fan theories apply.

>>80379285
Birdman doesn't count, it's a surrealist comedy about an aging actor who fantasizes about being a superhero, not an actual superhero movie.

I have not seen Logan but I hear good things. TDKR disqualifies the trilogy, but BB and TDK are fantastic.

My list of capekino is as follows:
Spiderman 2
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Batman 1989
X-Men 2
Hulk 2003
Iron Man
Batman V Superman Director's Cut

>>80381965
don't worry, you'll come around

>>80382250
Why is that nobody ever mentions Unbreakable in these lists? It may not be based on a pre-existing character, but it is a superhero story.

>>80381560
See, thats a big issue I have with BvS fans. That somehow a movie involving Superman and Batman shouldnt entertain kids.

Why not? These characters are made to inspire all ages, not one over the other. A good writer can write a compelling story thats deep enough for older audiences but enough of a blockbuster that everyone in the audience is enjoying what they see.

Where most of you who support BvS say Marvel is too childish, and I woud say that DC movies are trying too hard to be serious and intelligent. They arent. Theyre just trying too hard.

>>80382410
Why should I care about this movie pleasing hypothetical audiences I have no business in dealing with? What matters to me is how much I enjoyed it. I don't care if some kids or grannies liked or didn't like it. Why should you? Same way they don't care if we do. We support the movies made for our interests. BvS is that. Marvel is not that. Therefore I support the former, not the latter.

>>80378165
Yeah but screenplay help to convey a story, faggot

>>80382250
>Hulk 2003
Literally what the fuck were you thinking

>>80378936
The only thing BvS destroyed is its own premise

>>80382651
Not him, but I'll say this:

The effects may be a little hokey, but the plot is 100% certified comic-book gold. I even liked the way they explained the Hulk's strength having infinite potential.

And all the principals killed it. KILLED IT.

>>80381747
I get his rationale but my point is that Batman is a man, the divide between Bats and Supes is man and god.
And even when putting batman the character into myth i still think it makes more sense to compare him to a lower rank demon, not the ruer of the underworld. If Bats were the ruler then hed be an advocate of death, he is not.

god of the underworld doesnt make much sense for batman anyway..i mean his whole motif is bats not the dead or undead or whatever.

Hey guys, OP here. Holy f*ckin shit!! I only have three words after watching that:

Hella f*ckin epic!

>>80379816
His motives are jealousy over the power of an immortal alien because that made luthor realise he's just a human even with all is corporate influence, that's why he wanted to create a monster to defeat superman. So complex, such bad guy

>>80382892
See
>>80380496
>>80380281
>>80379943

>>80382852
He's the most mortal of the heroes. Also, bear in mind this is a purely archetypal association.

There's even a shot during Superman's death scene that's framed in such a way as to make Bruce look like he's emerging from the mouth of a cavern filled with fire.

>>80382548
But BvS wasnt made with interests in mind at all. Im not interested in seeing batman fight superman because of colateral damage caused by a man saving the world

I care about kids mostly, because if I were a kid and i saw BvS idve been disappointed. I care because when i was a kid I pretty much enjoyed everything invoving batman and superman, and pretty much all that stuff still holds up. BvS wont.

>>80380281
He reject all power, even the all-powerful because he want power for himself, that's why he goes out of his way to create a monster, because after manipulating politicians to blame superman he also want to try and control the alien power of superman. There's nothing more behind it. He is a manipulative, narcissistic bitch who couldn't cope with the fact there is now an untamable power going around in the sky, fighting bad guys. He feel menaced. Luthor is simply a little bitch who play too much with daddy money

>>80383047

>I care about kids mostly

>>80383047
>I care about kids mostly
Alright then go take your fucking kids to kiddy marvelshit I don't give a fuck.

>>80380496
Then why create doomsday ? If not by tempting to have control over the power that superman has ? He is just egostitical, there is nothing difficult behind his action, he is a child who blame the world for the shits that happened to him. IT's that he can't fathom the fact that there could be a force capable of stopping him.

>>80382998
Yea but the god of the underworld isnt the most mortal of the gods.

I get what youre saying though, but terrio is being very obvious. Supes is apollo god of the sun,of light, life and batman is...hmm..whats opposite of light and life oh..dark and death..oh perfect, batman is the god of the underworld!

Using myth it wouldve made more sense for Batman to be percius or whatever human that attempts to challenge the gods.
Hell even a david and goiath kinda thing mightve worked.

>>80383047
>because if I were a kid and i saw BvS idve been disappointed.
That's on your parents I guess for never letting you watch Stanley Kubrick movies etc. "Think of the children!" You sound like a movie exec.

>>80380888
His most intellectual work is to write a story about two ideals being different and he dare compare this shit to duality in greek mythos ?

>>80383187
>Then why create doomsday?
Explained here
>>80380281
He recognizes Doomsday as the all-powerful tool to destroy the fraud (according to him) Superman. Doomsday's creation by no means overrides his desire to undermine Superman and all he stands for. In fact, it's a last-ditch effort to save his ego from being proven wrong.

>>80381247
You'll believe anything he said but you are incapable to make the comparaison he claim to be inspired while writing the movie. That only show your illitteracy

>>80383193
But he is a reminder of mortality, isn't he? Bruce is that reminder, his base is an underground cavern, Hades/Pluto is a chtonic deity. This isn't hard.

You've been memed, OP.

>>80381560
Who is moby dicks ? Superman or the quest to power ? Is Ackham meant to be luthor or batman ? Why ?

Zack Snyder is like George Lucas without any original vision

>>80383352
>That only show your illitteracy
>illitteracy
Stick to Marvel Poo.

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>>80379893
>Rotten Tomatoes

>>80383408
You realize you can allude to a story without demanding a one-to-one match, right? The connecting threads are obsession and vengeance.

>>80383419
Lucas never had Snyder's eye for visuals, not on his best day.

>>80382947
It's litteraly jealousy. He is ressentful against the world for his shitty childhood and have the guts to blame an hero who came later in his life to not be able to save him before. He want to have control over the powers on earth and is jealous because he can't see past the power of superman and blame him for being seen as a god by mere humans. He only wanted to dominate superman

>>80383262
Lol ha i knew "think of the chidren" would be the counter argument.

Its weird, people who watch superhero movies think that children have nothing to do with these movies and shouldnt at the very least be considered.

So i don't get it, as a kid did you not like batman or superman? I guess youre one of those people who got into comics and capes as an adult.
Im not saying that's impossible, its just kinda weird to me is all.

>>80380074
By nu-males and feminists.

>>80383193
They were doing that in the comics for decades before Terrio came along. Now go for broke and call him a derivative hack for using the lore.

I know you want to.

>>80383366
So they both live in caves and remind you that death exists.

Is that all? Thats pretty shallow. And no, batman doesnt remind me of mortality , not in BvS since he took down everyone with no effort.

>>80383315
Superman is only a fraud in the way luthor was afraid he couldn't be corrupt (which sups proves him wrong by making batman change his decision and making him his ally). He see this powerful being and can't believe in his power so he has to trick him into killing another hero just because he couldn't stand a being capable of stopping even him. It is pure jealousy. He doesn't reject all-powerful, he believe he is all powerful, hence why he even go to create doomsday. It's not that complex. He's a child afraid of having his toys taken away (that happens in the end) and would do anything to try and accomplish is means

>>80383420
try explaining the comparaison between greeks gods and batman v superman before. All i ever see dcucks is quoting the scenarist but never being able to explain the similitude and how it affects the story or even how it is intellectual

>>80383747
You forgot the night, darkness, underworld aspects of the character. A god of fear would be a better fit in my opinion, but there's no major god of fear in the familiar pantheons.

Like I said, it's been a running theme for decades.

>>80383648
>So i don't get it, as a kid did you not like batman or superman?
Of course I did? Well, I didn't read Superman comics. I loved dark movies and stories as a kid. You're a dumb asshole for trying to pigeonhole what children accept. I guess you are one of those people who didn't get into more mature movies until you were an adult. I'm not saying that makes you a retard, it's just kinda sad to me is all. I get it, a guy in a bat costume being serious makes you cringe. I don't care.

>>80378599
Monsters

Then with smell-o-vision introduced by James Cameron in 2020, nothing but 2 hours of odorous feet from qt actresses.

>>80383557
Then why not try and give an answer ?

>>80383695
I know many people have done the greek myth and comics connection before. But i dont really agree with batman being pluto, whoever says it, i dont agree. Batman is man. There are humans in greek myth, compare him to them.

Like i said i get what hes doing, looking at larger than life mythic characters and comparing them to each other. So what? Batman only reminds the reader of mortality but in that universe batman is ike a demon whos mortality is unknown to criminals. Batman doesn't take lives, so its not like thered be a rimor that he killed anyone so what link does batman, the urban legend, have with death? Underworld, sure, hes a demon, but in what way is he a symbol of death and mortality to crooks?

>>80383895
Because you're too fucking stupid to digest what I said the first time.

>>80383872
But bvs is a children for movie. It's not a complex story to haveyour heros fight over differents ideas and then making them team up, accepting their differences, to fight a real threat who is pure evil. It's childish

>>80383617
What the fuck are you talking about? You could take all of the dialogue out of Star Wars and still completely understand everything going on in the movie. You can't say that about any of Zach's work though I will say he is a solid visual director

>>80383930
Because Arkham and Blackgate are hell. Metaphor just really isn't your thing, is it?

>>80384009
Your statement makes zero sense.

>>80383949
I understand very well. Batman quest is to destroy by guy by hunting them, luthor meaning is to pursue pure power, superman life is to search for humanity. Those things are not mature. They are basic tales to tell for kids, at no point it make the film more adult.

>>80384124
*to destroy bad guys

>>80384124
I'm sure you're more eloquent in whatever your native tongue is, but here's the deal:

The infantile way you're expressing yourself here is only making you come off as someone too dumb to understand the themes at play here and how they apply to the principals, and the thoughts you're poorly conveying do not speak to the contrary.

All three principals are obsessed.

Lex: power
Bruce: vengeance
Clark: guilt

>>80378873
Typical DC pajeet.

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>>80378890

Are these Marvel Pajeets playing dumb on purpose? It's like arguing with a brick wall.

>this thread
MCucks are getting blow the fuck out especially hard today

>>80384329
You are the one too stupid to see what i'm saying. Batman does want to destroy bad guys by killing them, you're simply adding what fuels is motivations. Luther wants power, ok. Superman guilt is the feeling of empathy he express because he sees other humans as is fellows. Again, those are simples traits to simple characters that any child could see. Eat shit retard with your mature themes

>>80378599
Anime adaptations
Edge of Tomorrow was the proof of concept, Ghost in the shell is testing the viability of the less normie friendly series

>>80376783
is it the theatrical or the ultimate cut?

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>nearly a year after release

>still having multiple threads a day with deep, high quality discussion about the film

>>80384493
Look the Pajeet is leaking poo all over the place!

>>80384541
And the same ten Marvel shills desperately trying to shitpost and getting shut down hard. A whole year of this. Time flies by.

>>80384541
It's only being talked about because it's that awful

>>80384329
Clearly you are grasping at straws in finding what you think are themes in the story. In good stories there is a central theme that combines the main characters. these three characters thematically have nothing to do with each other and that's why the whole movie is a disjointed series of events linked together by coincidences.

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So, where's op?

>>80384383
> it's a marvel pajeet pretending to be me again

Fuck off mouse

>>80384593
so why aren't we having daily discussion threads about the innumerable films, including mass-market blockbuster films, released in the last year that are worse than BvS?

this argument is so stupid, unless you're dumb enough to believe that BvS is literally the worst film in the last year

>>80384367
>DAMAGED

>>80383479
Compare the user scores instead if you like.

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If you actually read comics, BvS was really good and did have a lot of subtle depth to it if you know the source material well. Also foreshadows some good and interesting (unexpected) future stuff for the DC """CINEMATIC UNIVERSE""". But nobody here who watches capeshit also actually reads comics, just bitches angrily about stuff they don't care enough to actually learn about, so oh well.

>>80384593
Which is why you spend 5 hours of your daily "free" time desperately trying to derail and shitpost. You are a pathetic Marvel Paki who is getting exposed more and more. Stick to your dead Avengers threads.

>>80384541
Stupid Marvel Poo falseflagger

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>>80384541
>deep, high quality discussion about the film

>>80384664
Name 5 BLOCKBUSTERS from the last year worse than BvS. I promise I won't say your mommy's name or brand my initials on your chest.

>>80384683
I'm gonna take the script to the godfather and rip out a bunch of important key pages and have it made into a shitty movie, but it's actually a good movie if you actually read the whole script without the ripped pages...

>>80384717
And now begins the derailing as brought to you by Disney's marketing firms.

>>80384732
literally the most in-depth conversation on this board currently

everything else is stupid low-level memes

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>>80382410
>i should care about other people liking a movie when deciding if i like a movie

>>80384705
>Pajeet can't stop copying me

Ayy mouse

>>80384741
Civil War x5

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SAVE... MARTHA


WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? AHH! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?

>>80384741
Gods of Egypt
Dr Strange
Suicide Squad
Independence Day

>>80384754
WEW Paki, Disney's paying you overtime?

>>80384741
Suicide Squad

Assassin's Creed

Warcraft

Ghostbusters

The Great Wall

Resident Evil Final Chapter

I could go on

>>80384683
None of that matters when you can't get the basics of storytelling right.

>>80384705
This, too obvious shills. BvS threads are top comfy

>>80384664
The worse movies aren't being talked about because they don't have as big of an ip as BvS. BVS has a bigger name to live to, so when it fell it fell even harder than all the other flops in 2016

>>80384828
Which unlike Civil War, BvS did just fine.

>>80384803
>>80384825
>Gods of Egypt
>Independence Day
>Resident Evil Final Chapter
Found the fucking plebs that doesn't understand the art of VA

>>80383860
Because it plays back into the lore. Grant Morrison did a lot with it more recently, but essentially it's tied into the way magic functions in the DC universe.

The core of the league is ostensibly a modern incarnation of the Greek pantheon.

>>80384787
Holy shit you got BTFO hard today Pakeet

Why are marlels so ashamed to talk about Civil War or Dr Strange?

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who else /unironicallylegallyownsthesoundtrack/

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In a market saturated with boring, one-dimensional, post-camp, ironic superhero stories, this is one that actually aims to be about something and stubbornly refuses to laugh at itself. The problem of evil in religion, the nature of democracy, the state of modern media, fear of power and rejection of outsiders: all feature heavily and enrich the film, but play second fiddle to a simple story of loss, maternal love and the quiet power of hope. There are some welcome breaks from Snyder's distinctive visual style with arresting flashes of colour and a dialling down of slow-motion. The visual dynamism is palpable, but still unswervingly serves the script. Callbacks to Kubrick and Bergman actually feel earned, rather than just glamorous posters used to cover up the cracks in a dorm room's walls. This feels like a thematic culmination for Snyder: the conflict between religion, bureaucracy and machismo from 300, the feeling of parental loss and dream realities from Sucker Punch, which was dedicated to his late mother Marsha and the deconstruction of superheroics from Watchmen. There are few directors working today who could pull off such a monumental undertaking with such fearless style and commitment to singular vision, irrespective of commercial pressures.

>>80384803
Gods of Egypt was better than BvS, becuase it actually had a dynamic character. The only change character in BvS was one that come about because of a coincidence

>>80383872
Guy in a bat suit doesnt make me cringe at all. Funny you say that cause Snyder himself said he couldnt take the league talking in costume serious.

Screw you for calling me an asshole btw. Im not saying all kids like thing A or B, you watched mature films as a kid, cool for you. Plenty of people have, not rly what im saying though. And if anything your shitting on kids for being kids, some kids dont watch mature movies, note that i dont mean bloody or violent movies as mature. I wouldnt consider slasher movies mature but something like a Kubrick movie might be too deep for a child to understand.

Look, if it was done well i could care less what rating BvS had, couldve been G for all i care. If it works it works. It didnt work.

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>tfw got into the thread too late to expose the spic discord shills
Remember lads
Bad hombres

>>80384747
>>80384828
What "basics of storytelling" exactly did BvS miss out on? I mean, I get that the movie is in kind of 'you like it or you don't' territory but you both seem to be implying that the movie was entirely nonsensical or had large gaps in some way.

Now, for the theatrical version I can acknowledge that as a complaint, but the longer version seemed like a fairly complete experience to me even if it's not to everyone's liking, and certainly while I enjoyed it even I don't agree with all the choices they made. However, to assert that it's missing basic components of storytelling or is somehow incomplete seems a little silly.

But as I said, if you have specifics please tell me as I could have overlooked them, I've only seen the movie once.

>>80384925
Well said.

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>>80384959
no you see, if i say "it fails on a basic filmmaking level," that means i can sit back in smug satisfaction without having to present any evidence while you write out a detailed response

do you get it

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>>80384947
When they send their people, they're not sending their best. They're sending dannyboys and charles

>>80378599
Post-Cape we had it with Birdman and now Logan.

It'll be the Superheroes but where the focus isn't on CGI or big huge fights.

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Sooo where's OP?

>>80384926
You're just making a fool of yourself now, try again tomorrow. You know, like you've doing for a year now. Fucking shills

>>80384541
It feels fucking great.

>>80385022
Half of those threads are shitposting Marvel poos though.

>>80385075
kino was so good it sent him into a coma

>>80385134
For nine years?

>>80384925
Seriously stop, the dcmu movies are just a bunch of vague high concepts thrown into a blender with great "cinematography". Any themes you think you find in these movies are like images you think you see in a stucco wall pattern. If you look hard enough you can peice together any sort of broad parable. Not to mention that every single incident is poorly conceived by their climaxes which don't give any true resolution to their supposed "themes".

BvS and the like are faux depth and you are tricked by modern camera techniques and suggestive music.

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>>80384803
>implying bvs can compete with strangekino

>>80385085
I didn't try at all and I don't have to. What I said is true regardless of how pretentious you act.

>>80385246
Beyonce?

Just Wong!!

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>>80379893
>only 3 movies since Age of Ultron

my god, i am so glad there are three MCU movies this year. I am starving for more Marvel-kino.

>>80384925
Thanks for the laugh anon.

I hope this thread made you understand that we don't fucking like Marvel shills in this board. Now please fuck off oscarlets

>>80385382
I can engage reasonably with people who have good taste in film and just see BvS as another bluckbuster, but with the Marvel fanboys it's impossible. It's like playing chess with a squirrel, they're just so fucking dumb you can't even engage with them.

>>80385382
They keep getting BTFO but then reply with slightly different words and it all starts the same again. They are truly dedicated to their jobs of shitposting.

>>80385075
You can't just hammer out an analysis of Batman V Superman in a night. We should expect the first draft of his thesis in the next couple weeks.

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>>80385089
Do you have proof, outsider?

>>80385022
>literally all those threads were false flagging shills
Jesus christ

>In today's thread, we will disprove someone's opinion of a film by showing they've used a reaction image repeatedly

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>>80385075
>mfw I can't ride a bike

>>80385497
Those webms are hilarious though, they should be posted more often

>>80385089
>Pajeet so desperate to be seen as a DC fan he's STILL copying me

LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

>>80385444
I haven't seen a single argument for why BvS is a good movie. All I've seen is retarded marvel fanboys posting memes and pretentious DC fanboys acting like they've won a debate that never happened

>>80385427
They don't even hide it anymore >>80384367, they are exposed but they keep going. Sad people these indian fellows

>>80385719
Read the thread again. Start from top.

>>80385719
>The Marvel Paki is STILL at it.

Christ, you actually get paid for this lazy shilling?

>>80385632
ESL? I asked you if you had proof

>>80385719
So you haven't read the paragraphs explaining the depth and complexity of the character arcs and movations, or the infographs showing the symbolism and symmetry, or any of the innumerable reviews/various other bits of analysis posted here all the time?

Are you new to these threads or are you just being obtuse and stubborn?

I swear to god this movie is growing on me because of these threads, if this is shilling good job lads it's working. Not buying the bluray or anything

>>80379619
And approaching bump limit this post predicted it all.

>>80384959
>What "basics of storytelling" exactly did BvS miss out on?

Fleshed out characters with believable motivations with actual character arcs. The only character in the entire film with an arc is Batman, facilitated by the utterly humiliating "MARTHA" moment, mockery of which is the primary reason that the movie is ever still talked about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBNSfZCK7AU

>>80385877
Literally same recycled Marlel complaint that gets debunked in every thread.

>>80385846
>Marvel Paki falseflagger still going at it

IS THERE ANY END IN SIGHT?

>>80385877
Just don't answer this guy. He HAS read the thread and knows he's wrong, but he'll just pretend he didn't until you get sick of spoonfeeding and then call it a victory once you close the tab.

They are shills, no one would waste this amount of time for a movie they don't like if they weren't paid

>>80385295
>ha ha a human character made a joke, this is so unrealistic and childish

>>80385984
>Marvel Poo still Pooing on the keyboard

LOOKS LIKE THE ANSWER IS NO
Also you do that in the street, not in the office you fucking animal

>>80385497
Bump for the spic shill that refuses to answer again.

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>>80385877
Ah, so you are being stupid and obtuse.

If you didn't get Superman's character arc, you're a dumb person. His path of accepting his role is made so incredibly clear that only idiots don't get it.

>>80384617

Lex: ever seeking to use fear as a means of leveraging himself into more of the power he's so obsessed with, he uses his vast resources to paint Superman as a controversial, politically polarizing figure and orchestrates the means by which he might achieve the end of being the next man to save the world, even if it's from a threat he manufactured himself. When that power is forever denied him, he does the unthinkable and turns to what he believes to be even greater, if darker, sources of power.

Bruce: chasing the beautiful lie that he can find peace in vengeance and further traumatized by the loss of life in the Battle of Metropolis, he buys into Lex's spin campaign, stepping well outside the norms of his past depictions, this incarnation of Bruce embraces torture, branding, and "preemptive self-defense" when he allows his obsession with vengeance to override his reason. Stepping right up to the brink of cold-blooded murder, Bruce finally sees the humanity in his chosen foe and realizes that in deluding himself, he has allowed himself to be deluded by another. Finding both humanity as well as heroism in Clark's actions, Bruce turns away from his vendetta and finds hope and the beginnings of redemption.

Clark: guilt-ridden by the loss of life and the tragic, if necessary, killing of Zod, Clark is reluctant to fully step into the role of a truly public hero, instead seeking to duck both the press as well as public hearings, and in so doing, plays right into Luthor's hands. Ultimately, it is facing his guilt, embodied in the form of a reanimated Zod, where he makes his choice to not only fully embrace his role in the world, but to die fighting for it, confronting the personification of his past decisions.

Yeah, no links there at all.

The Marvel shills are now intent on pushing this to bump limit as quickly as possible to hide their massive defeat amd shame.

Let them.

>>80384947
Also lets discuss how this space poster is always spamming things like pajeet

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>>80386090
pretty much perfect, yeah

saving this for future threads

>>80386036
>>80385978
I was honest though, a-are you a Marvel shill false false flagging though? How come you guys are so smart deraiingl threads but then you can't argue your way out of a public shitting street in your slum?

>>80385427
>ha ha a popular meme image keeps getting used to btfo dc pajeets, marlets such shills!

>>80386183
>O-oh no, he outed me as a falseflagger
>I know! I'll call HIM the falseflagger, see how he likes it!

POO

>>80386188
Dude stop, you were exposed. Not the end of the world. Make another meme and be careful when spamming it next time

JAJAJAJAJAJA CAPEKINO

>>80386083
Great, so he ended up exactly where he began, but with some teenage brooding in between.

Bravo Snyder.

Fucking hell you faggots are embarrassing.

>>80379893
>MCU Oscars = 0
>DCEU Oscars = 1

Check and Mate, fuccboi.

>>80386243
This sort of trolling requires a degree of subtlety that you obviously do not possess. You couldn't possibly have thought that this response would work when it's so transparent, could you?

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>>80386363
D E L I B E R A T E L Y O B T U S E

The building they used as the centerpiece for Batman and Superman's battle is Michigan Central Station. It's a relic of old Detroit with amazing gothic architecture that shows how far the city has fallen in the buildings abandonment. Wonderful choice by the powers that be for shooting there

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>>80386467

>>80386056

Not him, and while it's not this site, this >>80380948 looked pretty damning to me.

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It's a little heavy on the symbolism, but ok.

>>80384070
Ah, that IS a good point.

>>80386697
I don't care what happens on other sites and I'm not a fucking nigger, so I especially don't care about ones that have been taken over by niggers and turned into a ghetto. The shills that are here on /tv/ and 4chan are the problem

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BvS is at least partially reviled because of its Christian symbolism and themes

>>80384776
Not at all what im saying, im bringing up an issue i have with BvS, it wasnt the first thought i had in criticism of it. It was something i thought about later on.

>>80387018
The Christian imagery contained in Man of Steel is the bait. The ironic inversion of those forms in BvS is the hook.
Examples: in wreckage of Wayne Co. headquarters, Bruce saves a little girl from a toppling set of metal girders that threatens to crush here. Message: Christianity has served its purpose, and now threatens to destroy European peoples.

>>80385950
>>80385877
>>80385816
>>80385806

Take Avengers for example, the reason why it's so good is because the primary antagonist was written just for Tony Stark, I don't mean Loki as he wasn't the climactic villain of the film but the alien army that invades New York.

Since the first ironman movie we get Tony's arc of someone who loves war for making money off of weapons to wanting to have nothing to do with war after having a traumatic incident with terrorist.

So in avengers Tony's character is built from this story by not wanting to have anything to do with war. We get that charcater developement by his attitude towards Caulson's death, ("we are not soldiers!") and his general attitude and treatment of captain America who is a soldier.

so who is the primary villain in the story? An army from another dimension.

Becuase Tony is so anti war he is also anti confrontation and self sacrifice and believes any problem can be solved by logic and preparation ("he was out of his league, he should have waited").

So in the final battle we see Tony fighting a very defensive calculative battle, backing away from enemies when Jarvis tells him his suit is incapable of handling the situation.

Then the whole city is threatened by a missile and Tony doesn't have time to calculate a safe alternative and ends up making the decision to take missile back to the other dimension in an attempt to make the ultimate sacrifice. Something he was so much against in the beginning of the story.

They continue to develope Tony's character with this theme when he creates Ultron. A machine that was supposed to end all need for avengers to get involved in war and confrontation.

Not all marvel movies are winners like ironman, avengers, winter soldier etc. But none of the new DC movies have any sort of dynamic characters like the ones in marvel.

In BvS, batman is this vengeful vigilante that changes because of a coincidence, how does that make any sense with his so called "theme"?

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>>80387018
BvS and MoS are so jam-packed with Christian themes and symbols and theology even brain-dead lefty critic hacks have taken notice

Ok capeshitter, explain this
When lois see the fight from the daily planet she want to ge next to her lover and demand to perry white to use th echopper to not lose any time, here's the dialog :

Lois: I need a chopper to Gotham. Call the heliport.
Perry White: Chopper? We can barely afford a bicycle. You want to chase a story? Go to the ship. Superman's probably there already.
Lois: Perry, it's not for a story.
Perry White (after a moment of hesitation): Jenny, get her a chopper to Gotham. And forget the heliport, put her on the god damn roof. On the roof, Lois!

Because all others plotholes have been justified by dcuks, i want them to explain to me, if the daily don't even have a budget for a bbicycle to a story, why will he let Lois use the expensive chopper especialy after she tell him that it's not for a story ? How do you justify this shit ?

>>80387109

>In BvS, batman is this vengeful vigilante that changes because of a coincidence, how does that make any sense with his so called "theme"?

You're fucking stupid.

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>>80387109
>In BvS, batman is this vengeful vigilante that changes because of a coincidence

The fact that you still think this tells me all I need to know about your intelligence

>>80387108
Further examples: First camera shot of suited-up Batman in BvS has him with arms outstretched, mimicking the crucifixion iconography of Man of Steel, but the horned cowl of batman's suit turns the allegory inside out.
Example: in the desert dream sequence, a captured batman hangs bound between two similarly bound accomplices in Superman's dungeon, mirroring the Christ crucified between two thieves setting. Message: Man tormented by god, European tormented by Kal-El, Kal-El an approximation of Hebrew translation for Voice of God.

>>80387273
Acting pretentious doesn't make you look smart

>>80387238
>>80387273
If you are so intelligent maybe you could shed some of your logic as to what I am not understanding, or you can keep pretending to look smart and call me names because you are incapable of articulating an argument.

>>80387202

>i want them to explain to me, if the daily don't even have a budget for a bbicycle to a story, why will he let Lois use the expensive chopper especialy after she tell him that it's not for a story ? How do you justify this shit ?

Because Perry White figured out it was important enough and for personal reasons. That's it. He could see Batman's symbol in the sky.

It is implied in both MoS and BvS that White was aware that Clark Kent and Superman were one and the same.

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>>80387277

Got you covered, m8

>>80386467
>>80386581
Very nice.

>>80386090
I was talking about links in theme, plot wise yea these three are obviously linked together, that's not hard to write, but their themes themselves don't justify or say anything about the other and when we come to both climaxes of the stories (Martha climax and doomsday climax) they don't wrap up these themes in any sort of way.

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>>80387376
>>80387482
So here Batman is, having committed to executing a complete stranger-- he's literally about to thrust the spear down and kill Superman-- and the guy chokes out "Martha".

His whole life has been defined by one moment: watching his parents die in the street for no reason at all. It was a senseless crime and we can even see in his face that he's horrified by what he's done. And the last act his father does in this life is to reach out and whisper his wife's name before they both die together.

And now, what, he's supposed to listen to Superman say "Martha" and let that be his last word and then live with that for the rest of his life? Of course he freaks out. And you can see that that might not have been enough. After he snaps back to reality, all he does is get angry. He might have still killed Superman, telling himself it's some alien trick, some desperate Hail Mary from a guy who sees and hears everything.

But then Lois Lane runs into the room.

I think a lot people saw this and thought "why would he listen to her?" That's because they wrote off one of the earlier scenes in the movie, where the Flash rips open time and space to scream one name at Batman: Lois Lane.

You bet Batman googled her, trying to figure out who she is and why she might be important. And now, here she is! She's embraced this Superman and is defending him and she met The Superman before anyone else and broke the story for the Daily Planet. The Daily Planet, that's just like that reporter at the party oh my god I've had a conversation with this man. I insulted the Superman to his face while he pretended to be a mere mortal and he simply agreed to disagree with me.

There's only one thought that could be going through Batman's head at this point: "What have I become?" And he knows the answer as well as you do now: he's become his father's killer.

That's what stops Batman. Not a name. What stops Batman is the realization that he's led himself astray by a beautiful lie.

>>80387722
What makes Batman stop is a culmination of realizing; he is becoming his father's killer; he let himself betray his ideals; he sympathizes very personally with Superman in family and the situation taking place; what his dreams/subconscious has been telling him and knowingly suppressing it.

>>80387136
This is doubly hilarious because BvS fans will straight up deny BvS has any christian imagery if you imply it's a downside.

>>80387646

>but their themes themselves don't justify or say anything about the other and when we come to both climaxes of the stories (Martha climax and doomsday climax) they don't wrap up these themes in any sort of way.

Three guys with daddy issues and struggling with their ego/legacies have nothing thematic in common, right. The movie even made a point to show how each of them relate to women as a man.

>>80387002
And you believe they're not all one and the same? Are you really that fucking naive?

>>80387806
No they won't

>>80387866
They have.

Quite a few times. Good for a laugh every time.

>>80387895
yeah no, what people argue is that the film is making the point that superman is just a guy who has jesus projected onto him by other people, but that doesn't mean the film doesn't have jesus symbolism.

i spend a lot of time in these threads and i've literally never seen a single person suggest the film has no jesus symbolism.

>>80387990
>i've literally never seen a single person suggest the film has no jesus symbolism.

You should lurk more than a few days newfag

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>>80387990
>outing yourself as a newfriend

WEW

>>80387482
Not him, but since you apparently lack the requisite reading comprehension or are simply too ADD-riddled to make through more than a couple of sentences, why should he bother?

There are multiple posts that answer your questions. You just can't be assed to read them.

>>80387722
so this scene some how works because of even more coincidences, like how convenient for Batmans character that some guy from the future said a name that just added more fuel to his "trigger".

You use coincidence to get characters in trouble, not to get them out.

>>80387490
I like how he buried Clark's picture and ran *no* picture of Supes.

>>80387812
But I thought their themes were revenge, power, and guilt. Now it's daddy issues. Despite the movie not having a clear theme since every one who claims it did has a different answer, tell how does doomsday play into this theme of having daddy issues?