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what happen to the mithril at the end?

>>80326658
Probably returned to the Elves I would imagine

Why is there a shill raid on /tv/?

>>80326902
Because /pol/ is full of angry manchildren. Keep that shit out of here though. We didn't make this thread to discuss /pol/.

buckleberry ferry


follow ME!!!!!

>>80326961
how is shills /pol/ its a cover to attack /pol/
but back to the thread

In one of Tolkien's letters, he discussed how Saruman was jealous of Gandalf from day 1 in middle earth, because Cirdan gave the ring to Gandalf instead of Saruman.

>>80326961
The same fucking thing happened to /pol/ a month ago.
>Didn't make this thread to discuss /pol/.
You're the one who brought it up.

>>80327209

Whats /pol/?

>>80327005
"Rings of power"
"Day 1"
lol

>>80327221
>/pol/

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>you will never watch the sun set in the Shire while smoking Longbottom Leaf with the friends you've had since childhood

>>80326658
>Then Gandalf came and in his arms, to the wonder of Frodo, he bore the sword and the elven-cloak and the mithril-coat that had been taken from him in Mordor.

>>80327005
What ring?

>>80327484
One of the three Elven rings.

>>80327524
Oh alright. Does the extended cut of Two Towers have the part where Gandalf confronts Saruman in Orthanc and breaks his staff, and Wormtongue tries to drop the palantir on Saruman's head?
One of the best scenes of the films is where Wormtongue starts crying in regret looking out at the Orc armies in Orthanc.

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friendly reminder that lotr is nothing but childish banalities

does anyone know what gandalf did for a living? was he really a NEET? how come none of the hobbits including bilbo seemed to have a job either?

>>80328007

Gandalf's job was to observe the world and only intervene as necessary. As a timeless demi-god he didn't really need a day job.

Hobbits are mostly subsistence creatures; As long as they have a nice warm hole to live in and plenty of food to eat they could give a shit less.

>>80327231
The wizards came to middle earth after the rings were made you dunce

I've been listening to the audiobook versions lately, they're fucking amazing. The old British guy who reads it does a great job, he even does the singing well. top tier cozy lads

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Why didn't the blue wizards play a bigger role in the books?

>>80328274

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltiVOUmo9o

Billy Boyd singing in Return of the King kills me every time. He's so good.

>>80328274
>he even does the singing well
I might have to check that out, the written songs always confused me. How do I tell what speed or tune the songs are supposed to go to?

>>80328274
Who is the narrator?

>>80327730
Brad Douriff gives 110% in every role he's in. My favorite actor

>>80328295
JRR died and never did much with them.

>>80328295

Because they went into the East and were never heard from again.

>>80328328
Rob Inglis I think.

>>80327005

Actually before day 1, Saruman was pissed that the Valar had to beg Gandalf to go to middle earth but only let Saruman go when he called in special favors.

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>>80327250
>you will never have a friend

Why even live

>>80328295
Your filename says it all basically.

>>80328906
Yeah he was a dick from star 1, you could say

>>80327868
NERDS hahaha

>>80328007

The Hobbits had jobs, Bilbo (and Frodo) were wealthy enough not to have to work, Pippin and Merry were literally Hobbit nobility. Sam was a gardener, like his father.

>ywn have adventures with Earendil cruising through space

>>80328956

I mean when you own your own house, there's no taxes, and your only bills are for food and drink (which you mostly grow yourself) it's not like you need to work that hard.

>>80328946

More a tragic figure than a dick. Saruman, like his one-time peer Sauron, was obsessed with knowledge, he wanted to understand how and why the world was the way it was. But his great wisdom and learning lead him to arrogance, this lead him to fall.

>>80328974

The Shire had a bureaucracy of some kind, and a Sheriff ("king"), so presumably there was some kind of taxation, too. But yes, the Shire is idyllic.

>>80328906
>Manwë asked Olórin if he would go as the third messenger. Olórin said he was too weak and that he was afraid of Sauron; however, Manwë said that was all the more reason to go, and that he commanded Olórin to go as the third. Then Varda said "Not as the third."

This could have been a major factor in Saruman's jealousy. He was their leader, but it seems that Gandalf was held in a higher regard.

What was Gandalf's plan to destroy the ring before Moria?

>>80329055

The Sheriff was mostly a figure and their bureaucracy was mostly in place to keep track of parties who needed to give who gifts. It's the type of perfect socialism that could only exist in a fantasy world.

>>80328974

>Farming is not hard work

city boy detected

>>80329088

Subsistence farming for one person is not. It's nothing more than a garden and most hobbits kept their own.

>>80329073

Very much so, the Valar knew Saruman's nature would lead him to temptation and the possibility of falling, they had no such doubts about Gandalf, going so far as to resurrect him when he died, a gesture of absolute trust that only Glorfindel the elf shared.

>Humans
MANNED

>Orcs
GRONNED

>Dwarves
SMITHED

>Elves
???

>>80329124
>FAENORED

>>80329075
The plan was always the same, sneak into Mordor somehow and reach Mount doom. Although, had the fellowship not broken, they probably would never have made it.

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>>80328923
Want to be my friend?

>>80329143
>passionate university non-completer (had ethical issues with Disability Studies)

Literally what.

>>80329122
Indeed, though I do not agree with the second part of you post. Glorfindel, as all elves, has an immortal spirit that cannot leave this world. All elves go to the halls of Mandos when they die, and from there may be one day released back into the world. Though only Glorfindel was sent back to Middle earth.

>>80329171

It means It wasn't actually disabled because It was self diagnosed and was mad that they didn't accept It's self diagnosis of being disabled.

>>80329124
SAILED

>>80329185
>Glorfindel, as all elves, has an immortal spirit that cannot leave this world. All elves go to the halls of Mandos when they die, and from there may be one day released back into the world. Though only Glorfindel was sent back to Middle earth.

Reincarnation was the norm for Elves, but only Glorfindel was "reincarnated" as himself, and sent back to middle earth specifically as the emissary of the Valar.

>>80326570
Meeting Sean Astin in a couple of weeks. What should I say to him /tv/?

I love how Tolkien described Minas Tirith so precisely that almost every artistic depiction shows it the exact same.

>>80329187

I am 100% certain that anyone who teaches "disability studies" would accept a transdisability.

>>80329221

"Why are you so fat? Is it true you're an incredible cunt? What color is your asshole?"

>>80329221

ask him what "taters" are.

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>>80329225
Yes, unfortunately PJ failed with the depiction of the Pelennor fields in the movies.

Was the "there and back again" version of the hobbit triology able to salvage that mess?

>>80329221
Share the load

>>80329220
I've heard this before, that elves reincarnate as someone else, though I cannot remember reading this. Do you have a source?

>>80329225
Well, Tolkien excelled in description. Though the movie portrayal of Minas Tirith is incredibly disappointing. The city itself is fine, but it should have been surrounded by rich farmland instead of no man's land. really quite jarring.

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>>80329227

Sounds like you have a good career.

>>80329268
holy fuck that artwork is amazing

>>80329271
Nope

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>>80329318
I have lotr pictures drawn by John Howe, Ted Nasmith, Alan Lee in my room. Fees good

The film depiction of the Shire wasn't nearly Welsh enough.

>>80329307
please stop shitting up this comfy thread with these absolute morons

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>>80329370
l*

>>80329370
more?

>>80329302
>I've heard this before, that elves reincarnate as someone else

Book of Lost Tales gives us:
>There [the Halls of Mandos] they waited in the darkness, dreaming of their past deeds, until such time as [Mandos] appointed when they might again be born into their children, and go forth to laugh and sing again.

And from the Silmarillion:
>But if they were slain or wasted in grief, they died not from the earth, and their spirits went back to the halls of Mandos, and there waited, days or years, even a thousand, according to the will of Mandos and their deserts. Thence they are recalled at length to freedom, either as spirits, taking form according to their own thought, as the lesser folk of the divine race; or else, it is said, they are at times re-born into their own children, and the ancient wisdom of their race does not perish or grow less.

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>>80329409

>>80329371

The Shire is Oxfordshire, where Tolkien lived.

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>>80329438

>>80328974
Tell me more about shire tax policy

>>80329463
please keep going if you have more, these are great

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Is pic related and the books written by his son any good?

>>80329371
imo, the Shire is the most perfect book to screen setting adaptation I've ever seen.

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>>80329463

>>80329448
Really? I've only ever read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and none of the supplementary work.
The way I read it, the Shire was rural Wales down to a T.

>>80329485

Are you voting for me? I'm taller than your average hobbit.

Books: The Hobbit > Lord of the Rings

Movies: Lord of the Rings > The Hobbit

Watching those movies really hurt.

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>>80329503

>>80329499
>his son

No. He has no talent for writing, tho if you're autistically obsessed with Middle Earth the books of letters and unpublished writings he produces are worth a read.

>tfw hobbit
>short, chubby, dark messy hair, hairy feet, smoke weed, love eating
why couldn't i be an elf

>>80329370
Do you have nasmiths ulmo in hd? It's always been my fave depiction due to how detailed tuor is

>>80329122
The valar didn't resurrect him g-d did it

The Hobbit is one of the best children's books ever written.

>>80329522
>smoke weed
It's not pot you fucking cunt. I am sick to death of morons who don't know what they're saying bringing this moronic meme up.

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>>80329499

>Hey it's written by the son of that beloved fantasy author, it must be good right?

>>80329124
BEREN'D

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>>80327257
>village inhabited by hobbits
>call it hobbiton

>>80329545
The definition of mediocre.

His books are worth a read but have absolutely nothing on his pop.

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>>80329519
Unfortunately not

>>80329565

His two sequel books are mediocre. His "original" books are a fucking crime against humanity and are the reason the robots wanted to fucking wipe us from existence.

>>80329582
If i had to read about vorian once more i'd off myself

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>>80329580

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>>80329598

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>>80329499
It's more like "I'm putting the notes my old man left behind and I'll try to fill in the blanks". For example, Children of Hurin was supposed to be a much much more important book according to Tolkien but he never really got to put it together.

>>80329545
>dat feel when son completely missed the point of Dune and just made it into by the numbers space opera focused on explaining everything, effectively killing that Dune mysticism angle

Still mad.

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>>80329616

>>80329412
Thank you. What I gather from this is: They either reincarnate in the traditional sense, or take form as lesser spirits. The line at the end throws me off a bit though.
>"and the ancient wisdom of their race does not perish or grow less"
Wouldn't this imply some sort of memory of their earlier self?

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>Side? I am on no one's side because no one is on my side
>The Ents are going to war. It is likely that we go to our doom. The last march of the Ents.

Why are the Ents so sad?

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>>80329631

>>80329632

Indeed it does. It's not clear if that is what he intended, he changed his mind a lot on details like this over the course of his long life.

>>80329656
Because they are cucks

>>80329656
Because they're a dying breed and they're aware of it.

>>80329543
oh sorry. the strange herb that isnt tobacco but makes you feel good and "dulls the mind". DUDE 420 BLAZE IT LMAO

>>80329656
Because if there are no women to hang out with you might as well just go on rampage.

>>80329680

It IS tobacco. That line in the movie is not from the books.

>>80329680

You've clearly never had some good pipe tobacco. Shit is relaxing and smooth as fuck.

>>80329680
>oh sorry. the strange herb that isn't tobacco
Wrong again dick sucker:
>In the prologue to The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien stated specifically that "it is a strain of the herb nicotiana", i.e. tobacco. Whether the substance is psychoactive remains unclear.

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>>80329685

>>80326570
Why did Fingolfin challenge Morgoth to single combat? Seems like a waste.

>>80329530
In the books it is never explicitly stated how Gandalf was brought back, but here is what Tolkien had to say about it.
>He was sent by a mere prudent plan of the angelic Valar or governors; but Authority had taken up this plan and enlarged it, at the moment of its failure. 'Naked I was sent back - for a time, until my task is done'. Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.
-- Tolkien's Letters, Letter 156

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Who could stop him?

>>80329680
Why are you so mad about cannabis?

>>80329722
He was described in a "madness of rage" so intense his eyes started glowing, I don't think he was thinking very clearly.

>>80329757
He's mad he got called out for being wrong on an anonymous image board.

>>80329551
>Island inhabited by brits
>call it Briton

>>80329659
In discussions like these it always becomes incredibly clear that we are dealing with unfinished work here.
>>80329722
Fingolfin thought all of his people has died. In his mind he had nothing left to lose.

>>80329722
Burning rage as hot as 1 million suns

>Last fucking words of the Hobbit are"the tobacco-jar."
>DUDE IT'S POT LMAO

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>>80329753
This dude

>>80329813
Every lotr thread has one guy that bungs on about it being marijuana

>>80329753
Stop posting this ridiculous image, it is false and only derails actual worthwhile discussion.

>>80329773
To be fair, I hate when that happens to me.

>>80329848
So do I but we're anonymous. It's literally a non-issue but for some stupid reason we can't let any slight against our egos go unchallenged.

>>80329836

So it's ok to argue about whether hobbits smoked pot or weed but not the size of various dragons?

this thread isn't very comfy

>>80329869
Actually they smoked tobacco, which isn't up for debate unless you want fanfic. The dragons are incorrectly presented, that image in particular is false and just blurs the line some more.

Being a hobbit(male) must be suffering. Your average hobbit woman is

>short
>fat
>hairy
>lazy

No wonder Sam was gay.

>>80329927
I see this thread has now descended into total worthless shitposters. Goodnight,

>>80329927
Bilbo was a fat, lazy, incompetent, bumbling buffoon. He was hired by Gandalf to be a burglar. He was greedy and selfish. "Gollum" was essentially a window into all Hobbits' souls. That's what they were, deep within. Ugly, conniving little monsters.

Look at the great accomplishments of Elves and Men - grand cities, magical wonders, great kingdoms and technology. Then look at what the Hobbits managed - a grain mill and some farms. They lived in caves. Though not as violent, they were in all other aspects as primitive as Orcs.

The only truly heroic Hobbit in all of the Lord of the Rings was Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. The rest only did their jobs because they were
manipulated by Istari. Orcs could have done great things if only the Istari would have used their privilege to manipulate them so.

>>80329551
>Nigeria

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>>80329935

>>80329935
upvoted

>>80327919
TAXES
A
X
E
S

>>80329942
Gollum wasn't a hobbit though.

>>80329992

Wasn't he from a "hobbit-like" race? Definitely not human.

>>80328295
This makes me wonder if the blue magic storyline in 8-bit theater is supposed to be satire on this? Since it intentionally seems to never pan out much like how the blue wizards in Lotr don't appear

>>80329992
thats like saying neandertals werent human

>>80329505
It's just an idyllic representation of rural Britain, nowhere specifically (though the main inspirations were the areas Tolkien lived and grew up in)

>>80329992
>>80330009
Gollum (Smeagol) was a hobbit, specifically a Stoorish Hobbit. Stoors were 1 of 3 breeds of hobbit.

>>80330082
>Early in their recorded history, Hobbits were divided in three kinds with different customs and temperament. The Stoors grew facial hair and had an affinity for water, boats and swimming and wore boots; the Fallohides were fair, tall and slim, an adventurous people, friendlier and more open to outsiders. Finally, the Harfoots were the most numerous and instituted the living in burrows. In later days the Harfoot traits became the "norm".

>>80329268
I thought the Pelennor fields had been abandoned and partly burned in advance of the armies of Mordor to frustrate their scavenging

>>80329942
>Orcs could have done great things if only the Istari would have used their privilege to manipulate them so.

Orcs are violent and stupid. Any advancement they made was for one purpose, to destroy.

I just want to live out the rest of my life in Hobbiton.
Fuck this world, fuck technology, the government and all the fucking niggers.

>>80330183
>not wanting to shitpost on 4chan while gettin sucked off by 3 robot waifus and smoking some dank Bruce Banner weed

yeah me neither

>>80330183
>Hobbiton
Nah, I want to see the wonders of Valinor

>>80329656
>Tfw no one cares about the dignity of the natural world anymore without being a screaming prog
Can't I want to have less factories and a greener world without being lumped in with fucking hysterical controversies over whether that means I'm also a cuck

>>80329813
But tobacco was first found thousands of years later on a different continent

>>80330183
>>80330229
Kill me, bros.

>>80330183
this post is really concerning hobbits

>>80329702
>>80329704
>>80329709
>>80329757
you're literally are all retards. it's admitted in his letters that it's supposed to be cannabis. god you people are stupid sometimes

>>80330492

Post the letters.

>>80330530
ok

>>80330183

you can, just move to New Zealand you pleb.

>>80330591
>7 minutes on we're still waiting for the letters to be posted

Thread was so close to staying /comfy/

We can't have anything nice on this board

>>80330829

Look, it's 4chan. If you won't want an autistic argument you picked the wrong place.

>>80330750
look them up yourself you nigger. all tolkien scholars agree it's supposed to be weed.

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>>80330829
Let's just sit back and wait for this to blow over.

I wonder what Legolas thought of the Glittering Caves.

so did gondor at it's peak beat the shit out of the haradim/various orcs on a regular basis?

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>>80330889

heres a higher quality image of that artwork if you want it, scanned from the original painting.

>>80331108
Gondor was imperalistic scum 2bh.

>>80329918
so correct the image then. i want to know how imbressive the BBC dragon was.

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>>80327919
S H A D E S O F G R A Y

>>80330847
>implying autistic arguments are the problem with this thread

>>80331116
Thanks, bruv. Looks beautiful.

>>80331306
truly the most based author of our generation
how can tolkien's simplistic good vs evil story even compete

>>80329656
>a species worth of Elliot Rodgers'

gee I wonder

>>80329719
I always wondered why he chose to depict dragons beyond the Gate of Night. They're not Morgoth's spawn begotten in the Void, because Earendil doesn't leave Ea itself during his journey. So what the actual fuck?

>>80331108
yeah, by the time of Sailor-Kings Gondor could probably solo the entire known Middle-Earth

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>>80329753
That size chart is ridiculous, Glaurung was killed by a sword to the belly. This makes it look like he's the size of a mountain.

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Silmarillion movie when?

>>80331727
never

>>80331306
TAXATION

>>80329943
Outstanding.

>>80330183
>>80330875
>>80329943
>>80331777
Are blackfellas not welcome in these threads or something?

I'm getting really uncomfortable with the cavalier use of the n-word and the promotion of posts implying or containing it.

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>>80331777

>>80331822
Go back to Far Harad.

>>80331822
is this your first day here?

>>80331727
why does Manwe look so feminine?

>>80331822
Fuck off black cunt

>>80331822
In the infinitesimal chance this isn't a troll post, part of being anonymous is thst noone cares what colour your skin is. Only the quality of your shitposting and the strength of your Bane posting. All we know is what you post, it's a true meritocracy here.

>>80331822
They are. Racist nerds shouldn't be allowed but it's 4chan so w/e.

>>80331777
>>80331822
>>80331833
>>80331899

Is this the designated dubs thread now?

>>80331727

when Christopher Tolkien is died.

so, this year then.

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>>80331955

>>80331822
Go back to the void

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could Peter Jackson be trusted to adapt The Sillmarillion after the shitfest that was the Hobbit?

>>80332183
No.

>>80332183
Silmarillion is impossible to adapt unless you'd want to make 10 movies each 2,5h long AT LEAST.

Quality aside, I don't think it's conceivable by today's cinema standards.

>>80331903
stop this meme

>>80332380

Disney will have their beady eyes on a potential 10 movie cash cow.

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>>80332528
Don't want to even think about it

are there any unofficial audiobook of lotr? bob ingles or whatever his name is fucking sucks.

>>80332595
Try the BBC radio series from 1981.

>>80329082
Not only in fantasy. I'm swedish and I remember when I was little and living in the deep forest communities and they were very much like that, only difference was the distance too things since the Shire seems a bit crowded and more self sustained then we, but that can be attributed to them supposedly having better farming lands.

>>80331822
Listen everybody, you're making this nigger really uncomfortable. Let's chill on the hate, this guy was a king after all okay?

>>80333410
Is Durin telling us to check 'em?

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>>80331727

Hopefully never.

I would be happy if there are no more adaptions of any kind.

>>80331727
where the fuck is tulkas?

>>80334423
what the actual fuck they meant by this?

>>80334432
reminder that he incarnated last, specifically to tell Melkor to fuck off and let the rest build something useful

>>80334470
so?
>Champion of the Valar
everyone needs a fingolfin, glorfindel, elindel etc. even the valar

>>80334597
Yeah I'm aware, but I just think the author of the pic in question took the Valar roster from before the First War, right after their descent on newborn Arda.

>>80334423
I don't remember seeing this. Were the extended editions somehow even worse than the theatrical cuts?

>>80334622
should've had Tulkas, the name is 'the valr' might as well have all of them, lazy cunt artist

>>80334629
yea, its kinda incredible, I think pj is actually doing it to fuck with the studios at this point

>>80329943
Pretty good.

>>80329848
How can you hate learning something? Just apologize and accept it.

>>80329124
>KINSLAYED

>>80334423
Sometimes I think I'm being too hard on the Hobbit trilogy and think maybe I would have liked it more if I grew up with it like I did with the LOTR trilogy.

Then I see shit like this and remember why I hate it so much.

>>80334423
Please tell me why they even stick together

>>80332528
>Disney

I can't even begin to fathom the amount of quips

You know, looking at the Silmarillion and the actual Lotr books, the movies are very disappointing.

I still love them, but it's like a shit tier interpretation of the actual written work.

As if Game of Thrones had gotten an adaptation in one season.

>>80327868
I want to put babies inside of Liv Tyler.

>>80328274
Very rarely do I find Audiobooks are poorly read.

>>80335127
In terms of LOTR, some of the stuff in the books like Tom Bombadil were unnecessary, didn't add much and often clashed with the tone of more serious scenes.

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>>80335019
There is an axe permanently stuck in that dwarfs head, dumb, i know.

>>80335207
I watched all 3 movies in the theater and had no idea about that.

>>80335223
Same

>>80335198
You are not wrong. I personally also feel as though Tolkien was terrible at describing inner processes such as feeling in a more active way other than "And then he noticed that he was crying", but still

What I essentially mean is that the movies skip a lot of the motivational basics that need to be explained or showed.

They tried "show don't tell", but I still have to explain every time why Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas can run like madmen, because the movies don't bother to show it right or simply explain it.

The movies throw newcomers into a world that has no explanations as to why some very basic things work the way they do.

>>80335198
>Tom Bombadil
>timeless being of unknown origin and questionable approach to wordly affairs
>not serious

Yeah, the movie version would have been awful most likely.

>>80335223
Very easy to miss, aside from the gollum scene in the first film the Hobbit trilogy was series of completely unremarkable films.

The last one especially is something that is absolutely terrible to behold.

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Did I ever mention my cousin was computer generated? He was a good friend.

>>80335239
Why can gimli run so much?

Do farmers and shit still live in the Ithilien or is it just rangers

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>>80335350
>tfw they had to use cgi for Billy Connolly because of his Alzheimers

>>80335198
I don't get any real "tone" from the LotR books. As much as I love the books, they are almost more like Wikipedia entries of what happened. You don't see much character growth (except for the hobbits). You are just explained what happened and how people reacted.

I do think this is intentional. Written that way allows the reader to inject almost anything they want into the story to flesh it out. Tolkien himself said this, in the forward. He wanted anyone from anywhere to be able to pick up the book and fill it with themselves.

>>80335908
The Pelennor Fields was all farms. South of the White Mountains (west of MT) was most likely fertile as well, since there are 7 rivers flowing there

>>80327919
>said guy who have spent last twenty years writing a fantasy for teens which he cant even finish and all his characters are in triangle love story on level of high school kids

>>80334423
why do neither of them use their hands?

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>Peter Jackson confirmed that he's willing to make movies based on the silmarillion
how many? 10 I hope

>>80326570
>You cannot tax. I am a student of the Austrian School of Economics, wielder of the flame of Ron Paul. You cannot tax. Progressive tax rates will not avail you, flame of John Maynard Keynes. Go back to the IRS. You cannot tax.

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>>80338721
WHAT CAN MEN DO AGAINST SUCH FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY?

So sad:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8814331/1/Failure

>>80329268
Yeah but a flat field makes for far more versatility when having a siege sequence, followed up by a cavalry charge into the invading army, followed up by a bunch of giant elephants charging into THAT army, followed up by green ghosts showing up ending the battle in minutes

>>80333309

Your perfect little corner of Sweden worked because of a larger more organized government keeping your land safe.