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>Scorses: If you go back and look at the contemporary reactions to any Kubrick picture (except the earliest ones) you'll see that his films were initially misunderstood. Then, after five or ten years came the realization that 2001 or Barry Lyndon or The Shining was like nothing else before or since.
Could this be said about any modern working director and his films right now? If so, who?
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>inb4 Bay
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George Lucas.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-the-seven-star-wars-films-reveal-about-george-lucas
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Michael bay
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The Shining is actually trash. The other two are good
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Nocolas Winding Refn (Valhalla rising, Bronson, Only God Forgives and Neon Demon are all kino)

Zack Snyder

Paul Thomas Andersons late work (Inherent Vice and The Master)

Riddley Scott (Prometheus and The Counselor are masterpieces imo)
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>>80301804
refn for sure
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>>80301702
You obviously can't speak retrospectively about contemporary filmmakers ya fucking melon
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>Zack Snyder
>George Lucas

dont fight it
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Carruth
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kubrick actually sucks though. his films seem so autistic and sterile
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>>80301855
I'm not kidding, take a step back and realize that those names belong to real people who have real lives. They aren't solely /tv/ memes. They have their own experiences that the bring to their films.

You need to grow up m8.
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>>80301804
You almost had me, and then you said prometheus
Im not even a hater for that film, I enjoyed it bar huge plotholes and dumb characters
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>>80301804
Inherent vice and the Master are his best I agree. Everything else before fell far short, Magnolia was trash and u haven't seen Boogie nights
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Is this where plebs list of their favorite pleb trash??
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>>80301945
Plot isn't relevant.
Prometheus creates an atmosphere through Scott.
Enjoy film for the world it creates, not the story it tells.
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>>80301975
>>80301804
Different day, same faggot trying to convince everyone that Prometheus was actually good.

Please sign up for a 4chan gold account, and then promptly delete your account.
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>>80302030
Why do you fucking force the discussion down to this level.
Just be civil, jesus.
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>>80301947
Boogie Nights is great until the end when it gets a bit hamfisted.

Still, one of his best
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>>80301945
Yeh Prometheus is very much a film i learned to enjoy for the visuals and atmosphere, the actual writing is complete dildos.
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>>80301975
>plebs actually think they're patricians for parroting this around
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>>80301975
>Plot isn't relevant.
plot is always relevant
>Prometheus creates an atmosphere through Scott.
yes it does, and then it gets thrown straight out of the window with shit screenplay due to inexplicably dumb character choices and shithead plotholes

You don;t fucking understand, Im in the minority where I can say I watched prometheus and was actually entertained, but the film has shocking flaws
stop being a faggot
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>>80302127
I don't think i'm anything m8. I just got drawn into the world.
Calm down.
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Terrence Malick
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>>80302143
>and then it gets thrown straight out of the window
Not at all. The narrative is bumpy, but Scott's visual style is on point throughout the film.
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>>80302143
>plot is always relevant
No what is relevant is determined by the aspects and preferences an individual viewer tends to focus on and value greatest.
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>>80302188
>Not at all. The narrative is bumpy
the narrative is flawed, there is more consistency in fucking little nicky.
Just because you choose not to see flaws doesn't mean they dont exist
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>>80302237
Nigger I JUST said that it was bumpy.
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>>80302155
What an empty and meaningless thing to say.
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>>80302200
IF you are looking at the "understanding" of a film, plot is always relevant you faggot
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>>80302299
Not at all.
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>>80301804

>Refn
yes
>Snyder
good meme, lad
>PTA late work
Inherent Vice is certainly underrated
>Ridley Scott
The Counselor was woefully misunderstood/underrated. Prometheus is mostly hot garbage.
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>>80302265
a bump in a road is completely different to a fucking sinkhole
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>>80302323
bumpY
Y
Implies more that one bump!!!!!
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>>80302157
THIS
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>>80302301
And IF you aren't no it isn't, deal with cunter.
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There are some directors praised by non-mainstream critics but disliked by more mainstream ones, like Malick or Mann. I think in the future they will be regarded as one of the best.
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>>80302200
So sick of this pomo "subjectivism is truth" bullshit.

Does anyone even know how to build cathedrals anymore?
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>>80302361
read the fucking OP again you tard, then leave
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>>80301804
>Nocolas Winding Refn (Valhalla rising, Bronson, Only God Forgives and Neon Demon are all kino)

Nobody has misunderstood Refn's work, his pretty imagery and toddler writing have been mentioned countless of times.
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spring_breakers_2013/
Korine obviously.
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>>80301702
Me desu.
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DePalma, definitely. Academics are going to go crazy over him when they find out what they've missed out on.
https://vimeo.com/93053346
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>>80302200
"All truth is relative, except this one"
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There aren't many films that were hated during the premiere and are loved now. Most of them were hated AND loved by some critics during the premiere. It was like that with Kubrick's films.
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>>80301947
You're mostly right, but TWBB is probably the best movie of it's decade.
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Danny Boyle.

No apologies.
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>>80301975
It may have had atmosphere, but it lacked any tension.
Example: that scene when the engineer stalked Shaw after the lifeboat crashed. What Scott should've done is had Shaw go into hiding after David told her he was coming. We then hear the engineer rampaging through the ship without actually seeing him for a couple minutes, before he finds her hiding spot. She manages to slow him down with the axe or something and sprints to the door where the proto-facehugger is. Instead, it just immediately cuts to the engineer breaking in, losing any chance of fear or tension, since you know exactly where the monster is and what the threat is. It just became a chace scene, a short boring one at that
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>>80301804
Came here to post Refn. I really hope his films gain more traction in the coming years because if he had the budget to make Neon Demon the way he wanted it would be pure kino.
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>>80302792
the most overrated movie of the decade more like
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>>80302869
drrAAAAAIINNNNAGE ELI, DRRRRRAINAGE!

memes aside, it really is. Best acting, best cinematography, best writing, it's a near-perfect movie.
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>>80301702
Better question: who is the anti-Kubrick? Someone whose work was initially lauded and praised for how revolutionary it was, but in retrospect turned out it wasn't that good.
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>>80302982
Tim Burton
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>>80302864
>lacked any tension
>losing any chance of fear or tension

You're arrogant, but not as smart as you think you are.
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>>80302644
>DePalma,
I was just checking his filmograpgy, it's hard to believe the man who did the Untouchables and Carrie also did the Wise Guys and The Black Dahlia.
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>>80302982
Take a look at past Oscar or cannes winners you'd be surprised how many you have never even heard of. Currently people like chazelle Villeneuve or Dolan are fine examples of critics darlings that won't be remembered at all in 10 or 20 years
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>>80301702
Critics are shit gobbling redditors.
That's why they rate capeshit always so high.
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>>80303083
Those are mostly one-offs anyway. Not directors with a body of work, so to say.
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>>80303017
Everything he did in the '80s and '90s was good. his recent films are good too
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>>80303063
>not liking The Black Dahlia
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>>80303083
>Villeneuve
You're wrong Sicario will be very remembered
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Fincher

people like most of his his movies when they come out but they really don't see the all underlying shit until years later
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I unironically think that a good few years down the road after the Marvel hype that Batman V Superman will be more liked.
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>>80301702
Terrence Malick
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>>80301702
>Could this be said about any modern working director

Zack Snyder
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Paul W.S.___ Anderson
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>>80301702
D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D
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>>80303679
>>/pol/
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>>80301702
Wes Anderson will be understood as the auteur genius he is soon enough
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>>80301752
That's a nice picture.
Post more sad Lucas.
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>>80303679

He also literally said "Hitler was right about almost everything"
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Snyder and Refn.
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>>80303679
except he was actually redpiled about jews
he hated their world controlling society
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>>80301702

A lot of Lars Von Trier gives me this vibe. Of course he's not on Kubrick's level but shit like Dogville is god tier.
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>>80303736
>sad Lucas
I'm fresh out.
Have some cute Lucas.
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>>80303679
Kubric was one of the good ones, he tried to warn us
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>>80303083
>Dolan

Will be remembered as long as this shithole is around.
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>>80303744
He was probably joking. Hitler was wrong about virtually everything.
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>>80301804
Daily reminder Prometheus is plebfilter, just like Birdman. If you dislike either you're a fucking pleb
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>>80302864
Tell that to David's snapped neck.
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>>80303845
t. JIDF
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>>80303872
>Birdman
>Liking pretentious shit
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>>80303921
>he thinks Birdman is pretentious
>he doesn't see his pleb just for filtered

LOL
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>>80303872
>Birdman

Gimmicky but ultimately agreeable because it shits on everyone

>Prometheus

Turd sandwich. Top notch specialists shouldn't act retarded.
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>>80303909
>t. JIDF
Historian.
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>>80303083
Chazelle is 32
Dolan is 27

They got lot of time to be remembered as most directors peak when they get older
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>>80303262
erroneous. erroneous on all counts.
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>>80303949
>duh holocaust was real in my mind
>historian
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>>80303947
Pleb status: filtered
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>>80303969
history is written by the victors
loser :^)
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>>80303736
>Diet coke
everytime
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>>80303969
Stop. You don't know anything about the holocaust. And Kubrick also said this:
>After Raphael suggested “Schindler’s List,” Kubrick replied, “Think that’s about the Holocaust? That was about success, wasn’t it? The Holocaust is about 6 million people who get killed. ‘Schindler’s List’ is about 600 who don’t. Anything else?”
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>>80304002
He who controls the past controls the future, he who controls the present controls the past. Kill yourself you mouth breathing retarded conformist
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>>80304032
>muh 6 garillion!
>u dun know nuthin goyim!

Sad JIDF, sad!
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>>80303949
Where did you do your historiang? Sweden? hahaha
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>>80301702
>it's a DCucks believe their shit movies will be called good ten years from now thread
top kek just give up already
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>>80301804
>Nocolas
>Riddley
This is the kind of person who likes Zach Snyder. The kind of person who can't concentrate long enough to communicate their thoughts. Ladies and gentlemen, a moron.
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>>80304140
shoo, shill, shoo.
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>>80304140
>tfw distinct lack of astroturfed MoS threads of late
>tfw DC going full quip mode

The DCucks spirit has been broken
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>>80301702
Martin Scorsese's Silence
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>>80304114
Poland.
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>>80303679
Go back to /pol/ shithead
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>>80304140
>it's a Marvelcuck thinks his shitty avenger movies will be remembered more than the Dark Knight, MoS, or BvS
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>>80303704
>>80304314
>>>/r/jewsdindunuffin
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>>80303679
Are you retarded? He was actually killed for trying to show us their corrupt ways. Watch Eyes Wide Shut.
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>>80304140
B-b-but so was citizen kane even though it was just one guy who ran the news that was again welles
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BvS will be looked back on as the only good capeshit and to a lesser degree, MoS.
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>>80301906
Everybody praises his work though. It's just not made to be a commercial success.
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>>80301702
I think people will look back on Watchmen and Oblivion and call them genre defining
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>>80304323
>any capeshit will last
>this is what plebs actually believe
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>>80304649
Watchmen has too shitty acting to be remembered for anything.

The only capeshit to be remembered is TDK because its actually a proper movie with acting in it instead of meme quips, while still being entertaining.
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>>80303949

What was Hitler wrong about, oh exalted mister historian?
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>>80302864
t. Stuckman
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>>80302982
Tarantino
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Neh.. the god tier directors now are pretty much praiser (Tarantino, Woody Allen, Scorcesse, Fincher, Anderson, Coen's, Wright, Quaron, im missing someone im sure)
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>>80301752
I kind of agree, I recently rewatched all of the star wars movies and the prequels aren't as bad as I remember, I enjoy them more every time I see them.
shame about ani bobani's actor though, I wanted to punch him throughout all of the movies
then again kylo ren is just as whiny when you think about it
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>>80304002
>Still holding this simplified view of history as an adult
>t. public education
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>>80301752
That has got to be the absolute worst review I've ever read. This guy is so pretentious without knowing jack shit about the subject matter. I seethed with hatred reading this idiot positively compare the prequels to Orson Welles, Shakespeare, and Ben-hur while admitting he disliked and didn't understand the originals and had to mute the volume because he didn't like the way John Williams music made him feel. Apparently all it takes to be a "film critic" (thanks for contributing to society with your important job rating other people's creations you liberal jagoff) is to shove your head as far up your own ass as possible.
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>>80301915
>tfw to autistic to pick up on the comedy in kubrick's films

Wanna know how I know you've only seen FMJ and The Shining?
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>>80301804
>Prometheus and The Counselor are masterpieces
now i know youre memeing.
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>>80303083
Chezelle is the next Spielberg
Hollywood's new whipping boy
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>>80303791
>he hated their world controlling society
no he didn't.
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>>80301915
Not to mention disjointed in the same way that Nolan's films are. There's an ironic, 'kabbalistic simplicity' in his work that isn't easily enjoyed or overcome.
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>>80301752
Wew, that's like pottery. It rhymes.
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>>80303872
>birdman

dishonest filmmaking
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>>80302200
>>80302143

if you want plot, read a book or watch a soap opera
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>>80307665
>being this pleb
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>>80307893

great response
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>>80307665
>not reading for the prose
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>>80301702
Ben Wheatley. High-Rise was the best film I've seen in years, but it really seemed to fall flat with critics/audiences. 20 years from now I think people will still be watching this
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>>80302644
De Palma already has a pretty great reputation, doesn't he? In film school, it seemed like at least half of my classmates named him as one of their favorite directors
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>>80301947
>>80302319
>Inherent Vice
I think The Master is great and TWBB is literally one of my favorite movies but i cant get into Inherent Vice for the life of me. Ive watched it twice and it just doesnt try to tell anything, its not a character study and the movie somehow doesnt have any "coherence" for the lack of better word. Plus it doesnt really manage to evoke much feelings in me along the way.

>tfw to stupid to inherent vice
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>>80309147
Really want to watch this, the book is one of my favourites but I can't watch Tom Hiddlememe for longer than 30 seconds without wanting to end myself, is he ok in it?
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Every post in here is either:

1. Wrong: Snyder, Refn, Malick are all rated perfectly

2. /tv/ not actually reading real film criticism instead of thumbs / thumbs down bloggy trash writing: PTA and Ridley are "misunderstood"
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>>80302437
I like the new Orthodox main Church in Paris.
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>>80301702
Imagine if RT and /tv/ existed when Kubrick was releasing his classics, all the shit posting about 2001's 15% Rotten Tomato rating.
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>>80303949
>"historian" unironically thinking about history in terms of right and wrong
Back to your containment board /his/.
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>>80301702
There's no place for that kind of films these day. Studios no longer have the dosh to take the creative risks. So they play their cards safe. In other words capeshit, capeshit,capeshit, capeshit, capeshit....
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>>80309895
Of course they have the cash. Its just that maximizing profits is more important than ever.
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>>80301915
Even though Kubrick is my favorite director, I see where you're coming from with "sterile" . And you know, I can't really refute that. But ultimately I guess it's one of those things where you have to embrace the superficial, in this case the "sterile", and enjoy it for what it is.

In the case of 2001, at the very least, sterility is part of the atmosphere because it's supposed to be emotionless spare a few key moments.
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>>80309428
Don't try with it bro. Just let it happen. Don't even pay it too much attention.
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>>80301947
Inherent Vice is unequivocally his best, but Boogie Nights is probably second. The Master is overrated.
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The later careers of Lucas, DePalma, FFC, Zemeckis and even Scorcese are destined for future critical reevaluation.
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>>80310535

I like all his movies, but this is a bad PTA take.

TWBB > The Master > Magnolia > Punch-Drunk Love > Inherent Vice > Boogie Nights >>>> Hard Eight
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>>80301804
>Zack Snyder
lmao
>Paul Thomas Andersons late work (Inherent Vice and The Master)
Those were pretty well received
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